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Oneironaut

(5,477 posts)
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 10:34 AM Dec 2017

Why is There Even a Green Party?

This is something I’ve never understood - What is the point of having a party that:

A - Never wins elections
B - Actually hurts their agenda by stealing votes away from Democratic candidates, giving anti-environmentalists a greater chance of winning?

Wouldn’t they have more success running as Democrats instead? I don’t get it.

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Why is There Even a Green Party? (Original Post) Oneironaut Dec 2017 OP
For a handful of people, politics is a crusade, not a strategy... brooklynite Dec 2017 #1
To water down the dem vote Fullduplexxx Dec 2017 #2
All they ever seem to run for is President. world wide wally Dec 2017 #3
There are nearly 150 Green Party officeholders, to say nothing of all those who ran and lost. Garrett78 Dec 2017 #20
There is a Green Party to help elect Republicans...buy dividing the Progressive vote. The Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #4
Because democracy. shanny Dec 2017 #5
The first... tonedevil Dec 2017 #6
If by "correct answer" you mean "non-answer," then you're spot on. Orrex Dec 2017 #11
I beg to differ. shanny Dec 2017 #21
Im not saying they shouldnt be allowed. Im questioning why they dont join the Democratic Party. Oneironaut Dec 2017 #9
Can't/don't want to infidel621 Dec 2017 #12
What's funny is, that in Europe, govts are parliamentary and the Greens join into LW coalitions... MrScorpio Dec 2017 #7
To the "democracy" reply above, this is the correct answer. hunter Dec 2017 #19
Funny thing is, the Democratic Party has spent a lot of time and effort shanny Dec 2017 #22
Third party splitters in paperless evoting allow votes to be shifted from dems McCamy Taylor Dec 2017 #8
There has to be and it's importance can't be diminished. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #10
The real question is why are the Greens Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #13
To trick hippies. Scurrilous Dec 2017 #14
To make sure a Republican wins. n/t Lil Missy Dec 2017 #15
Vanity. As a vehicle for a prideful and judgemental crusade... NurseJackie Dec 2017 #16
Green definitely complements red in this case dalton99a Dec 2017 #17
It's a refuge for snobs who think they are too good for us mere mortals. nt Binkie The Clown Dec 2017 #18
Because Republicans keep pumping just enough money into it. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #23
Because they think it is hip and don't want to be associated with the Socialist Party of USA snooper2 Dec 2017 #24

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
20. There are nearly 150 Green Party officeholders, to say nothing of all those who ran and lost.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 02:10 PM
Dec 2017

Sorry, but the notion that The Green Party is a Republican scam is utterly absurd.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
4. There is a Green Party to help elect Republicans...buy dividing the Progressive vote. The
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:15 AM
Dec 2017

slimeballs like Stein...take all sorts of funding from the GOP and maybe the Russians...and fool a bunch of folks who should know better. They should change their name...Green -my Ass...they are nothing of the sort.

Orrex

(63,154 posts)
11. If by "correct answer" you mean "non-answer," then you're spot on.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 12:38 PM
Dec 2017

Because that non-answer completely misses the point of the question.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
21. I beg to differ.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 02:37 PM
Dec 2017

Green Party voters don't think the Democrats represent their views, so they have their own party. They may be wrong in that, but they are entitled to their opinion, and their vote. Because democracy.

Oneironaut

(5,477 posts)
9. Im not saying they shouldnt be allowed. Im questioning why they dont join the Democratic Party.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 12:33 PM
Dec 2017

As in, if your existence actually makes it harder for your agenda to come to fruition, why exist? Why not put candidates in Democratic primaries instead?

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
7. What's funny is, that in Europe, govts are parliamentary and the Greens join into LW coalitions...
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:23 AM
Dec 2017

While here in America, all they do is piss on Democrats and try to steal our votes and giving GOPrs bigger margins.

Hence, why in America, they're completely fucking useless.

hunter

(38,299 posts)
19. To the "democracy" reply above, this is the correct answer.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 01:59 PM
Dec 2017

We don't have a parliamentary system like Europe.

Here in the U.S.A. responsible "green" activism can only exist as coalitions and other political relationships WITHIN the Democratic party.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
22. Funny thing is, the Democratic Party has spent a lot of time and effort
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 02:43 PM
Dec 2017

spurning the ("effing retarded" quoth Rahm) voters of the further left (I won't say "far left" because they aren't). The last election was a case in point: Tim Kaine--really? Way to reach out to the further left and mend party divisions.

Further left voters don't seem to think they are being heard, so they try to Talk Louder. Seems fair to me.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
8. Third party splitters in paperless evoting allow votes to be shifted from dems
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 11:26 AM
Dec 2017

To greens in tight races. Rove used this a lot.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
10. There has to be and it's importance can't be diminished.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 12:37 PM
Dec 2017

It is a bit easy to say this today as the Democratic Party has gone left to the point that any leftward opposition is marginalized. There is no room for a solid party to the left of the Democrats in this country. That only occurred because there is a green party. I love that the Democratic Party has fairly and by way of policy positions marginalized the Greens into a state of almost non-existence.

That is also why the Greens of today carry a lot of baggage and only show support from those of highly questionable character.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
13. The real question is why are the Greens
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 12:46 PM
Dec 2017

spending infinitely more time and effort attacking/tearing down fellow Dems than they are Donald Trump? Why did they *completely* abandon their environmental platform, which used to be their reason for being?

Once we get the answers for those questions, we'll know everything...

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
16. Vanity. As a vehicle for a prideful and judgemental crusade...
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 01:20 PM
Dec 2017

... on a national level, their only "power" is as a spoiler that ONLY benefits the candidate and party that is (supposedly) the exact opposite of what they claim to want.

NO WONDER THE GOP GIVES THEM SO MUCH MONEY!!!

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
23. Because Republicans keep pumping just enough money into it.
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 02:45 PM
Dec 2017

I only have one question, Why is it even necessary to explain that?

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
24. Because they think it is hip and don't want to be associated with the Socialist Party of USA
Tue Dec 19, 2017, 03:07 PM
Dec 2017

Which doesn't make sense..if you are going to go full socialist do it don't go half-ass...

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