Are We Done Going High Yet?

[ProudLib72]

They got a tax scam.

We lost Al Franken.

I'm at the point now where I'd like to see us throw all manner of shit and see what sticks. I'm done playing nicey nice with these inhuman assholes.

[RKP5637]

1. I've often thought the democrats of today in power are far too nice. We need some of the tough old

birds from decades past.

[Honeycombe8]

23. +1. We need to vote in some "operators." nt

[RKP5637]

24. When I was a kid, way way back, democrats kicked ass. Now, many just smile and are complacent. n/t

[Willie Pep]

65. It is almost like the roles have been reversed.

My father worked as a Democratic precinct captain back in the 1980s and 1990s and the Democrats were known for being aggressive and tough and the Republicans had a reputation for being ineffectual and saying they "took the high ground" as a consolation prize for always losing. Now it is the opposite. I feel like the Republicans do old school, take no prisoners politics better than we do and all we have left is the moral high ground. A beautiful loser is still a loser when it comes to politics.

[RKP5637]

66. My dad was a very tough democratic politician in the 50's. No way would he or his cohorts taken any

of this shit Trump hands out.

[Honeycombe8]

71. Leadership. Savvy. JFK savvy. Obama cool & persistent & bold.

Surely there's SOMEONE who has these gifts and can capture the hearts and minds of Democrats.

[RKP5637]

72. Excellent examples of strong and correct leadership for a democracy!!!!! n/t

[Golden Raisin]

2. But our High Road is covered with

the powder we kept dry after taking it off the table.

[VOX]

16. Best metaphor-mix of the month!

Well done!

[mr_lebowski]

30. ... off the table ... to make way for our 5-D chess set ...

[SammyWinstonJack]

32. +1000000!

[Duppers]

45. Stealing!

[Pacifist Patriot]

49. Well done there!

[mythology]

3. Nope. Republicans can speak to people's fears

We can speak to their hopes. Just because we lost the fight on the tax deform, doesn't mean we become evil ourselves just to win.

Republicans aren't inherently inhuman monsters born evil. They are human, will all the same fallibilities as everybody else. They learned to support bad policies. They can unlearn.

[bdamomma]

4. I cannot be that forgiving

They are not human at all and they cannot unlearn. All that matters to them is this $$$$$$, and stealing, plus they cannot govern for shit.

[RKP5637]

26. I definitely agree with you. Much of the behavior is innate, and what is learned, can't be

undone. They govern or whatever they call it to enrich themselves and the hell with the country and the majority of people. The deplorables still can't comprehend what is going on, and many just don't care. ... either too stupid and/or entrenched to get it.

[lunasun]

34. ++++All of what you said

[hatrack]

5. No, they are beyond redemption . . .

They are willing - eager - to hurt those they know and many more they will never know - for money and power.

They will overlook any criminality, shatter any tradition, break any promise, embrace lies, ignore reality and discount the future down to zero to maintain their sweaty, pathetic hold on transitory authority.

If you haven't been paying attention since 2001, I strongly suggest that you start doing so immediately.

[BigmanPigman]

8. My hatred goes back to 1980 and Reagun.

HATED the GOP ever since! Four generations of my family hate the GOP and it in in our blood.

[ProudLib72]

10. I was under the false assumption that we had been making some progress

There were setbacks for sure, but there was also progress. Until this week I had not realized how close we were to the complete dissolution of our government and end of our country. I remember in grade school learning about government. I thought our democracy was robust, built on the bedrock of the constitution. Now I find out that our democracy is a straw hut built on quicksand.

[CrispyQ]

55. One party decided to push the boundaries while the other party looked the other way.

Now we have one party breaking the law & the other party is neutered, powerless to do anything.

[questionseverything]

62. we have known lot of this stuff since the repub convention

so where the heck was the fbi while all of this was taking place?

I mean all foreign calls, e-mail, communications are collected by the nsa right? not to mention our spy partners all ovr the world were telling us

<blink>

how does this all get "missed"?

[RKP5637]

27. That, was the major turning point!!! Been downhill for the GOP ever since. n/t

[Bettie]

12. We can use the truth

which is scary enough. We don't need to stand politely by while they destroy everything.

We need to actually FIGHT, our leaders need to go before every camera they see and hammer our message home over and over in simple words so that even the dimmest among us can't misunderstand.

[LenaBaby61]

13. They learned to support bad policies. They can unlearn.

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These assholes KNOW that people will DIE because many won't have health care. I have a friend who has a child who has Cancer. He's only 12 years old. Has never hurt anyone. Has never had a life. I was on the phone crying with his Mom last night. He has difficulty eating. He can't sleep. He's the sweetest kid I know, and he asked his Mom if he'd lose his health care. He then asked her why they're trying to kill him. He's not the only person who has cancer. There are others who have other diseases and chronic illnesses, and they KNOW about it, and don't care if the live or die.

rethugs are KILLING us literally, and we're supposed to be nice to them? Uh no. They're murderers and we have a right to fight them to the death if it means our survival. They get NO pass from me. tRump gets none. Fuck all of them, and I pray that I live long enough to see some Karma coming to McConnell, Ryan and especially that tReasonous tRump just to name a few. Racist, hating, evil bastards, women included ALL. These assholes are lower than 10 snakes bellies who deserve all of the vile KARMA I hope they get.

Being nice to a murderer gets you KILLED. IF Dems ever get control of the Congress and Senate, they'd better tell thuglicans to get the fuck out of the way--roll the hell over them--do what they have to do to save our democracy and people's LIVES, literally. Also, CONTINUE telling and SHOWING people that most thuglicans want them DEAD.

[RKP5637]

29. It's the Stockholm Syndrome ... those that think republicans are really good people turned bad.

Republicans of today are rotten to the core and the GOP loves and embraces sociopathic types. They, are the stars of the republican party, the sociopaths.

Stockholm Syndrome (just fyi if you didn't know ...)

Stockholm syndrome is a condition that causes hostages to develop a psychological alliance with their captors as a survival strategy during captivity.[1] These feelings, resulting from a bond formed between captor and captives during intimate time spent together, are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

[LenaBaby61]

38. "Republicans of today are rotten to the core and the GOP loves and embraces sociopathic types."

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Don't need to go any further. You've nailed it with your above quote. Most thuglicans in the Congress and Senate are sociopaths, rotten to their pits of hell CORES.

What don't people get about them not CARING about whether people LIVE or DIE?

The CBO:

GOP Tax Plan Would Still Leave 13 Million Without Health Insurance, CBO Says.


By Sy Mukherjee November 29, 2017

The contours of the GOP tax plan currently making its way through Congress are in flux. But the sprawling bill from the U.S. Senate would, in addition to reshaping individuals’ and corporations’ tax rates, also have broad effects on American health care—including millions in insurance coverage losses and premium hikes, even if Congress also passes certain fixes to shore up Obamacare markets, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) said in a new report released Wednesday.

http://fortune.com/2017/11/29/gop-tax-plan-obamacare-cbo/

The rotten ass fuckers smiled and STILL passed it, adding more misery and pain into the tax cuts all so they could give more money to corporations/their donors/overloards--knowing what the CBO a few weeks back. I read where they had a ceremony in the Rose Garden, then Dear Leader fatso made everybody pray, then he went around the table making every asshole in the room say nice things about him. Through spoken word, they kissed his fat, nasty, white pimply old ass. The poster who I posted to, God Bless them, really doesn't seem to get that these rat fuckers are okay with MURDERING people. They're incapable of compassion or playing nice. You see they have NO fucks to give about HUMAN LIFE OR ABOUT THE HUMAN EXISTENCE. Just so long as them and their overlords/corporate lovers/rich folks get their $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. BOTTOM LINE.

[bdamomma]

70. ............

+100000000000000000000000 Thank you

[smirkymonkey]

46. This +1000!

[dflprincess]

19. I have no problem speaking to voters' hopes

but when it comes to dealing with Republican candidates and office holders I no longer have any qualms about digging up every piece of dirt to be found and using it against them.

[dubyadiprecession]

6. Ted Kennedy asked the voters of Massachusetts for forgiveness in 1970...

after the deadly accident at Chappaquiddick. They ended up voting him back in.

If Al Franken runs again in the future, he should be able to ask Minnesota for forgiveness as well.

[Glorfindel]

15. Forgiveness for what? I'm sorry, but that's just bullshit. Senator Franken has NOTHING

to apologize for, and why on earth should he ever even consider running for anything again? So he can be insulted and vilified by HIS FELLOW DEMOCRATS? He did his best, and he was mocked and scorned and forced to resign.

[LiberalLovinLug]

22. He should run as an independent

And Democrats would then be wise not to field a candidate against him. I'm sure he'd win. That way the gun shy Dems that threw him under the bus could save a little face, even though they don't deserve it. They wouldn't have to ever publicly admit to a mistake. And Al could carry on working with Dems that are willing to. Only he'd probably be in an even better position, much like Sanders, and not be beholden to the stodgy elites in the party. They may regret this yet.

[disillusioned73]

52. I agree..

but watch yourself.. i.n.d.e.p.e.n.d.e.n.t. is a four letter word around here..

[Demsrule86]

7. I've been there for months.

[ProudLib72]

9. I have, too

I just haven't been willing to say it until now.

[Demsrule86]

50. Clinton survived the right wing smear machine in the 90's because he went after them...we need to

do the same. This is why I was enraged at Dems turning on Franken...this has to stop. We need to bury the GOP and that means oppo research and big donors to pay for what is needed...we are in a battle to save this country.

[ProudLib72]

58. Yes, we need to throw tRump sized tantrums

and level all sorts of charges against the rethugs. If we scream loudly enough, then maybe we can out scream the RW. We know the MSM likes to cover screaming. We need our narrative to dominate the news.

[Demsrule86]

61. You are being sarcastic but yes we do need to that.

We need to go on the attack...what has our 'purity' achieved? Nothing is the answer...we look weak not principled.

[ProudLib72]

69. Semi-sarcastic

You look at all the bluster over how Mueller's investigation is illegal. The RW buys it, no questions asked (although Napolitano on Shepherd Smith's show might have thrown them). Dotard himself learned long ago that the correct response to questioning was the threat of a lawsuit. It's time for us to take some ideas out of the RW playbook and throw it in their faces. I'm not talking about outright lying. I'm talking about standing up to the bullies and fighting back.

[SammyWinstonJack]

33. So have I.

[47of74]

11. I was done with that on November 9, 2016

I have no use for Fuck Face, his groupies in Congress, or the various Brown shirted Branch Trumpvidians who treat that orange idiot like he was the Second Coming or some goddamn thing. I have no interest in reaching out or engaging in "tolerant understanding" of his supporters. I am full of suggestions for those who don't like my attitude, namely to go off and perform various sexual acts upon themselves.

[jalan48]

14. I think we're going to need some new, more radical Democrats if we are going to stop Fascism.

[2naSalit]

17. Yup.

[LiberalLovinLug]

31. Yup 2

Sometimes I come away from my usual morning dose of DU all fired up and under the illusion that Dems in Washington must also have been reading the same site. Or at least are aware of the general opinion and frustration of their own base.

But too many times it's like they can't see out of their own bubble. When you hear them on some MSM network later that day in a defensive posture painstakingly careful about each phrase, each word so as not to offend some imaginary everyman construct they have invented who will click the channel if they so much as dare to even raise their voice.

[rateyes]

18. I hear you. I have often thought that had Hillary

during the debate where Trump stalked her around the stage had turned around and told him, “Back off you pussy grabbing rapist motherfucker, she would be president today. When they go low, we should kick them in the god damned teeth!

[dflprincess]

21. I would prefer is she had kicked Trump in a spot lower than his teeth

[FiveGoodMen]

63. An animated GIF of that might just break the internet

What a shame it doesn't exist.

Honestly, when I watch him stalk her at that debate, I couldn't -- still can't -- believe that no moderator told him to sit down.

Already, the fix was in!

[ProudLib72]

42. Oh man, that would have been GREAT!

Plus, his behavior was expected. He bullied her because his base wanted that. If she had taken him down what would his base have thought of him then?

Also, she should have doubled down on the "deplorables" term.

[JHB]

56. Actually, I think something more along the lines of...

1) “What’s the matter, Donnie? Do you need a pottie break?”

2) “Say Donnie, if you’re going to stand behind me huffing and puffing, can you stand closer? There’s a wrinkle on my jacket that needs to be steamed out.”

3) “Quick question, Donnie. What’s the nuclear triad? Did you learn it yet? Three words, that’s all you need.”

Rage would have bounced off him and be seen as “shrill”, but a cool, humiliating verbal suplex would have been the way to handle him.

[PdxSean]

20. The Obamas naturally went high.

I think Obama’s goal was to always do the right thing. Period.

Imagine, however, if the Obamas had responded to republicans in the same manner and tone as republicans treated them. It would not have worked.

However, as for our Democratic Party, we should have gone tooth for tooth and eye for an eye a looooooooong time ago.

[JoeOtterbein]

25. NO, because when they go low, we go high and RIP their throats out! (figuratively of course!)

[FiveGoodMen]

64. It's never worked that way so far

I think that's just wishful thinking.

[Kajun Gal]

28. Time to geaux leaux or WE lose!

Southern dem speak. Geaux Leaux! Enuff of this southern sweet tea crap!

[MarinCoUSA]

35. Fuck these fucking fascist pigs. Shame these pigs to hell

n/t

[StevieM]

36. To be fair to Michelle Obama, the strategy worked. We were about to win decisively.

Then the FBI and Comey interfered to rig the election.

Actually, they had already rigged the election a couple of times, but we were going to win anyway. Then they rigged it again with 11 days to go. That was too much to overcome.

[Polly Hennessey]

37. Tonight I listened to Warren, Warner, and Schiff

and all I heard were the same weak words and platitudes. We need principled people who know how to win. I almost believe the Democrats want to keep the status quo because that is where their level of comfort resides. Talk is fine only if someone is listening.

[LenaBaby61]

40. Right brain thinking vs left brain thinking.

thuglicans are right-brain thinking.

Dems are left-brain thinking.

I know several people who are no longer Dems. They've changed their party affiliation to Independent. I have friends here in LA County who've changed their party affiliations and who tell me that relatives and friends are thinking about doing the same thing too. Me, I'm going to re-register as an Independent in January 2018.

It's estimated that 13 million people will DIE without health care. Rethugs give NO fucks about it though

Many Dems are still analyzing and wondering WHY thuglicans don't CARE if 13 million people die because they don't have any health care

Too many Dems are as SOFT as Marshmallows

[Smitty63nnn]

43. I'm with you

We need principled people who know how to win

[dalton99a]

39. I hope the leadership will not offer up more senators to be sacrificed as a gesture of good faith

and bipartisanship etc.

[Smitty63nnn]

41. The answers are right here hidden in this thread.

Look at em.
Regarding the loss of Franken, I agree we lost a great senator. He was a man of character and admitted the truth. He did the right thing, even though he probably should not have admitted anything and lie like Drumph. A man of character never lies which tells me a lot about Al. The liar in chief did not tell the truth and he walks free. How can that be? Is Drumph above the law? Does Oligarchy ring a bell? Be very aware from here on out. They are not done.

Regarding the tax scam, we were outnumbered. How anyone could vote for this scam, is beyond my comprehension. Are they all sadist? I'd say no. So what convinced these assholes to vote for it?
Greed, corruption, and power! All are a result of Citizens United and all 3 were present. Anyone that stood to make a shit pot full of money, just for their signature, was in. It didn't matter what was written.Why do you think Corker changed his mind? And who would disagree with making free money? And making a lot of it too. It didn't matter to them who has to pay the 1.5T deficit. All they know is cha ching all the way to the bank. And why is it that Bernie was the only one really making any noise about this? There were other dems, but it was all background noise. I believe someone else in an earlier post said the same thing. Every democrat in the house and senate should have spoken up against it. I apologize if they did, but it wasn't loud enough to get MSM's attention.

So is everyone pissed enough to do something about it? I am!!! And I see quite a few are. The only way I see us regaining control is to start a revolution. I am sooooo done with all this bullshit. After this latest tax scam, I'm all in for a revolution.

[Demtexan]

44. I never for going high.

We need old school democrats like my Father's generation.

They gave back what the got.

None of this lets be friends crap.

[smirkymonkey]

47. Hear, Hear!

I think most of us are tired of this shit too. We want fighters, not compromisers. It hasn't been working and it never will. Unfortunately, we have to fight them at their level.

[MFM008]

48. We need to GET high

And swing low.

[treestar]

51. I agree; there is a point where you have to declare war

Those so-called Christians do not turn the other cheek.

[jalan48]

53. We'll try and speak up but we just don't want to offend anybody if we do.

[Bayard]

54. The difference

Rethugs are always full speed ahead and damn the torpedo's. Dem's always want to hear both sides.

Definitely time to start wacking them with everything we've got. The country should see us as the party with morals, but not as weak and whining.

[NurseJackie]

57. When they "go low" they win. When we "go high" we lose.

It's very clear to me.

[ProudLib72]

59. There is a false assumption

that if we go low we will lose support. The reality is that a lot of Dems see their leaders as "weak" in their unwillingness to challenge the right. Behaving as if we are above the mudslinging contributes to our "elitism". So we play 3D chess when the game that counts is tic tac toe, and it is sooooooooo damned frustrating for Dem voters to watch as we try to comfort ourselves with our moral and intellectual superiority.

[peggysue2]

60. No!

We go with the Rule of Law because that's our strength and our high. We keep supporting our Democratic Institutions because they are what we are attempting to save. And we vote as if our lives depended on it.

Because they do and always have.

We Stand Together. We Vote. We Win

There are no shortcuts or quick fixes. The Blue Tsunami is rolling in for 2018. We need to grab that sucker for all it's worth and ride it right into shore.

[Downtown Hound]

67. Hell no!

Oh wait, you meant going high as in take the high road. I thought you meant getting high. Um yes, I got over that one years ago. The one about going high when they go low I mean.

[VOX]

68. Whoever carries the Democratic banner has to be a street fighter who isnt afraid to mix it up.

Just who that is, I have no idea right now. But they are going to need a fighter’s heart, a razor-sharp mind, and a steadfastness when taking a stand. AND THEY WILL NEED THE LOCKSTEP BACKING OF EVERY DEMOCRAT AND PROGRESSIVE, even if that means compromising a bit on everyone’s wish-lists.

The uber-wealthy are currently holding most of the cards (along with the wealth). As incredibly miserable as #45 has been, it’s going to be a pitched battle to dislodge that oaf, now that Republicans have blown so much sunshine up his do-nothing ass that he’ll REALLY be insufferably. Getting past the right-wing donors and Russian hackers will be tough enough.

Which is why “normal-world” tactics won’t work for Democrats any longer. The ground has changed. They need to step up and punch back. Hard!