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shockey80

(4,379 posts)
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 11:31 AM Jan 2018

I Like to confront Trump voters. I ask them this question.

Who taught you to hate so much? You were not born that way. You are listening to people that make you hate. Have you ever thought about that?

I tell them I am a democrat, I am a liberal and I am not your enemy. You were taught that I am your enemy. You're being mislead, you're being lied to.

They usually go silent.

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I Like to confront Trump voters. I ask them this question. (Original Post) shockey80 Jan 2018 OP
i like it... hlthe2b Jan 2018 #1
I'm going to say something that you won't like... brooklynite Jan 2018 #2
Let such people come back to us on their own. Paladin Jan 2018 #9
This Hatred of Liberals Was Created by the Republican Party at the End of the Cold War dlk Jan 2018 #3
The Trump voters I meet all talk hate. shockey80 Jan 2018 #4
Ask Them If They Are Against Leith Jan 2018 #8
You forgot SS and Medicare Gabi Hayes Jan 2018 #11
I Was Keeping It Specific to HRC's Accomplishments Leith Jan 2018 #12
Sorry; thx......could go on and on about how almost every plank in the KGOP platform leads to Gabi Hayes Jan 2018 #14
I ask them if they realize that hatred leads to randr Jan 2018 #5
The other night my right wing coworker goes off RhodeIslandOne Jan 2018 #6
They only tell you Ohiogal Jan 2018 #7
"The greatest country in the world" that doesn't even have healthcare. lindysalsagal Jan 2018 #10
Yeah, if you can't afford to pay for your own health care Ohiogal Jan 2018 #13
How do you know who is a trump voter? Tipperary Jan 2018 #15
I spent a day with some other business women at a networking event. CrispyQ Jan 2018 #16
strange thing here is 99% of them cannot bluestarone Jan 2018 #17
Twitler supporters are also so angry kimbutgar Jan 2018 #18
They might not have been born that way Runningdawg Jan 2018 #19
I dont mess with his voters and loyalists because... erinlough Jan 2018 #20
I find that excellent with one proviso DFW Jan 2018 #21
For one thing, they've been conditioned to believe that they hate us MrScorpio Jan 2018 #22
They would say it's the Democrats that hate so much oberliner Jan 2018 #23
I don't bother. It's a cult-like religion, replacing whatever perversions of Christianity they had. TheBlackAdder Jan 2018 #24

brooklynite

(94,373 posts)
2. I'm going to say something that you won't like...
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 11:35 AM
Jan 2018

Last edited Sun Jan 21, 2018, 04:17 PM - Edit history (1)

They DON'T all hate so much, and it's a bad idea to imagine that they do.

Yes, the 33% core of the Trump voters hat anything different: Blacks, foreigners, Muslims, Gays, etc. But we're never go to shift their votes, nor do we need to.

However, a fraction of the Trump voters were middle of the road working class who became tired of what they saw as Government failing to address their economic needs, and decided that, as bad as Trump might be, any change was an improvement over the status quo that wasn't working for them. Some of them had previously voted for Obama. And those are the voters we need to win back. Stereotyping and confronting them based on that stereotype isn't a productive strategy.

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
9. Let such people come back to us on their own.
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 12:13 PM
Jan 2018

We've got better, more productive things to do, other than expending time and resources on people who were gullible enough to fall for trump's bullshit. Let them recognize the error of their ways and come back to us. Fuck the rest of them.

dlk

(11,514 posts)
3. This Hatred of Liberals Was Created by the Republican Party at the End of the Cold War
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 11:38 AM
Jan 2018

They required a new enemy to hate and focused on Democrats. This divisiveness is a result of cynical Republican propaganda. Your questions are a tool we can all use.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
4. The Trump voters I meet all talk hate.
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 11:49 AM
Jan 2018

They hate Clinton. She never did anything to them. They were taught to hate her. They hate immigrants. They have never been hurt by an immigrant. As a matter of fact chances are it will be a white person, friend, lover, co worker, boss that will hurt them during their lives. They hate pro choice people. They think we are pro abortion. They don't understand the word choice.

Leith

(7,808 posts)
8. Ask Them If They Are Against
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 12:07 PM
Jan 2018

Poor children receiving health care via CHIP.

Victims of domestic violence having someplace to escape to.

Funding for recovery after the attacks on 9/11.

The UN sanctions on Iran in 2010.

South Korea removing tariffs on imports.

That should shut some of them up. For a while, anyway.

Leith

(7,808 posts)
12. I Was Keeping It Specific to HRC's Accomplishments
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 12:29 PM
Jan 2018

b/c of the content of the post I was responding to.

But, you are correct about Democratic accomplishments in general.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
14. Sorry; thx......could go on and on about how almost every plank in the KGOP platform leads to
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 12:32 PM
Jan 2018

Neofeudalism

They are the party of Mr. Creosote

Edit:

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/77372

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
6. The other night my right wing coworker goes off
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 11:58 AM
Jan 2018

He was whining about some family health care plan he had years ago that was too expensive or whatever and then launches into a diatribe about “scumbags” who get free health care and are “pieces of shit” as far as he was concerned.

I asked him why blame poor people and instead blame the system that charges people unreasonable prices for a basic human right? He of course shut the fuck up with his passive aggressive “I don’t want to get into the politics of it” blowoff but the hate was clearly seething. Never mind his own daughter is on all sorts of federal assistance but he says nothing about that....

The hate is palpable.

Ohiogal

(31,924 posts)
7. They only tell you
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 12:00 PM
Jan 2018

that Liberals are the ones who hate. They think we hate Christians and all white people, makes no difference if you tell them we are the inclusive ones. They hate all the different ones we include (gay, women, minorities, foreign born, etc.)

Ohiogal

(31,924 posts)
13. Yeah, if you can't afford to pay for your own health care
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 12:30 PM
Jan 2018

you shouldn't have been born! I wouldn't be surprised if many of them think that!

CrispyQ

(36,424 posts)
16. I spent a day with some other business women at a networking event.
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 12:36 PM
Jan 2018

Two were friends & Christian. They made sure to let all of us know that. I avoided them as best I could, but I couldn't help but overhear a lot of their conversation. It was full of hate & dislike. They discussed things they didn't like. "Oh, I hate that movie." "I can't stand the way she styles her hair these days." (This about a common friend.) "I hate when the store doesn't have what I want." It was I hate this & I hate that & I can't stand this & that. I thought it was interesting.

bluestarone

(16,872 posts)
17. strange thing here is 99% of them cannot
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 12:40 PM
Jan 2018

tell you why they hate Obama, and THAT'S THE TRUTH (it really is because they were TOLD TO HATE HIM) kinda like the Hatfields and the Mccoys

kimbutgar

(21,060 posts)
18. Twitler supporters are also so angry
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 12:58 PM
Jan 2018

And if you get under their skin thy start screaming at you because you messed up their talking point.

Runningdawg

(4,514 posts)
19. They might not have been born that way
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 02:11 PM
Jan 2018

but their parents and peers made sure they learned it early in life. Think about it - how many people actually choose their religion? For most, it was inherited from their parents. It's the same with hate.

erinlough

(2,176 posts)
20. I dont mess with his voters and loyalists because...
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 04:00 PM
Jan 2018

There are about 47 million individuals in that cesspool. There were 219 million eligible voters and only 161 million voted, therefore it is much more important to spend time talking to the 90 million who didn’t vote. That’s where my efforts are going.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
21. I find that excellent with one proviso
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 04:03 PM
Jan 2018

I have yet to meet a Trump supporter willing to listen to me for the length of time necessary to say all that.

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
22. For one thing, they've been conditioned to believe that they hate us
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 08:10 AM
Jan 2018

And unless they choose to reject that conditioning, they're not going to think about us any differently.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
23. They would say it's the Democrats that hate so much
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 08:43 AM
Jan 2018

Why do you all hate Trump so much? Why are you so angry all the time? Blah blah blah.

They would say liberals are being lied to.

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