Why is it that in Germany there were 194 gun murders last year and in the US...

[gopiscrap]

there were 9,400+ being that Germany has 82,500,000 and the US has about 340,000,000 shouldn't we be at about 776 gun murders for the past year...what could be making the difference?

[yawnmaster]

1. many sociological issues make the difference.

The US and Germany are two different "beings".

[oldhippie]

2. Oh noes! .....

Shhhhhh. You know you can't talk about sociological or cultural differences here. That's racist.

[stevenleser]

7. You just exposed yourself. I just got back from Germany, they have a large ethnic minority populatio

Nice try.... not

[TouchOfGray]

12. Huh, I had to look that up because my experience in Germany doesn't comport with yours

Germany Demographics Profile 2012

Ethnic groups

German 91.5%, Turkish 2.4%, other 6.1% (made up largely of Greek, Italian, Polish, Russian, Serbo-Croatian, Spanish)

http://www.indexmundi.com/germany/demographics_profile.html

IDK, but that's hardly a large ethnic minority population. You may have a different definition.

[reorg]

14. these numbers are of foreigners living in Germany

i.e. those without a German passport.

People with "migration background" in Germany: 15.1 Mio., which is 18% of the total population, of which 9% are foreigners and 10% are Germans (e.g. children of immigrants).

http://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/Standardartikel/DE/Themen/MigrationIntegration/Asyl/Deutsche_Auslaender_mit_Migrationshintergrund.html?nn=138224

The immigrants are, of course, not evenly distributed all over the country. Almost all of them live in the West, in larger cities, and in these cities you will find districts with a much larger than average share of "ethnic" inhabitants. In Neukölln in Berlin, for instance, live 123,017 "migrants", 40 percent of all the people living in this district. They further concentrate in the north of Neukölln: 51.7%, in contrast to the southern part of the district: 27.6%. They come from

Turkey: 37,052
Arab countries: 26,381
Poland: 13,830
former Yugoslavia: 12,949
former Soviet Union: 5,248

http://www.berlin.de/ba-neukoelln/migrationsbeauftragten/bevoelkerungsstruktur.html

So, it somewhat depends on where you go in Germany. Some regions are ethnically very homogeneous, others are quite diverse. Where I live, you see daily a lot of Koreans (Samsung), a number of Blacks, many kids of immigrants from Turkey and the former Yugoslavia, three pizza parlours and an icecream parlour just around the corner from me are run by Italians, and so forth.

[TouchOfGray]

16. The Neukölln district of Berlin is an "unofficial" no go zone for our military

And here's an article that seems to reinforce the original comment about "sociological issues" that I was responding to.

However, the use of firearms marks a new -- and potentially fatal -- turn in rap-related violence and is likely to add fuel to the ongoing debate in Germany about violence perpetrated by young people from immigrant families. Gun crime is a known problem in Neukölln, which has a reputation for being one of Berlin's most dangerous districts -- although its crime rate is still low compared to certain inner city areas in, say, the US.

Despite the new wave of keeping-it-real violence, German rappers still need to work on their street cred if they want to impress their cousins on the other side of the Atlantic -- but sometimes they're just too, well, German. In one song, "When the Moon Crashes into My Ghetto," Massiv complains: "I've had to beg for my unemployment benefits … here in the ghetto, no one is satisfied with his €300 a month after deductions."

dgs/dpa

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/straight-outta-rhineland-palatinate-german-hip-hop-gets-real-as-rapper-shot-in-berlin-a-528939.html

[oldhippie]

13. You must have lived in a different Germany than I did

I have lived in several parts of Germany, most recently the Munich area. Last left in 2010. Never saw any large ethnic minority populations.

[RobietheCat]

8. re: Yup

You could start with that.

[The Straight Story]

3. They have different models of guns that kill people (since we know the guns make all of this happen)

And why is that that there are about 250 million guns in the US and not all of them have killed everyone? Is it only the guns that have a manufacturing defect that do this?

[gopiscrap]

4. HOW ABOUT SOME VERY STRICT GUN CONTROL?

[msongs]

5. maybe u could average out german stats for the past...oh. 75 years or so lol nt

[snooper2]

6. They have the autobahn?

[rufus dog]

9. In Germany

Can you have a gun in your house?

Can cops carry a gun home with them?

[justanidea]

10. Whatever it is.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with our lack of quality mental healthcare, war on drugs, the massive amounts of powerful gangs which have resulted from the war on drugs, rampant poverty in inner city areas, or the poor public schooling system.

Nope. I'm sure it can't be any of that.

[gopiscrap]

11. Exactly!!!

[Yavin4]

15. Germany Is More Civilized Than America

It's that simple.

[gopiscrap]

17. I agree

[yawnmaster]

18. define civilized. And any metrics to go along with that? eom

[Yavin4]

20. A Less Violent Society.

A society that understands the need for a strong social saftey net. Prosperity that is more equitably distributed. No wars. No acts of aggression against nations that did nothing to them. Less poverty. Better overall health. Better educated. Less personal and national debt. Better infrastructure. Better for the enviroment.

In sum, Germany is a more advanced civilization than we are.

[gopiscrap]

22. absolutely

[Jamaal510]

19. ....

*cough* NRA *cough*

[4th law of robotics]

21. How is it Montana has so many more guns per person

than New York but a much lower crime rate?

I mean, in every other way (economically, culturally, socially, legally) they are exactly identical so it makes sense to compare them directly.

Must be the guns.