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Sat Feb 10, 2018, 09:13 AM

Something to remember about these ex-wives...

I don't know about Sorensen's ex, but the other wives were approached by the FBI in connection with a background check. They didn't leak their stories or go to the tabloids, they responded truthfully to questions posed to them by the FBI. Keep this in mind when Trump and Company start calling this a witch hunt. FWIW.

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Reply Something to remember about these ex-wives... (Original post)
Raven Feb 2018 OP
Zoonart Feb 2018 #1
Squinch Feb 2018 #3
Zoonart Feb 2018 #5
Squinch Feb 2018 #6
eleny Feb 2018 #15
Wounded Bear Feb 2018 #12
Squinch Feb 2018 #13
eleny Feb 2018 #16
WhiteTara Feb 2018 #17
RandomAccess Feb 2018 #19
tanyev Feb 2018 #2
mascarax Feb 2018 #10
lunasun Feb 2018 #4
PatSeg Feb 2018 #7
mcar Feb 2018 #8
AllyCat Feb 2018 #9
Ligyron Feb 2018 #14
mascarax Feb 2018 #11
Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #18
Cha Feb 2018 #20
Skittles Feb 2018 #21

Response to Raven (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 09:30 AM

1. The very term Witch Hunt...

is misogynistic. The European witch hunts of the Middle Ages is considered a Gendercide as almost all of those accused and barbecued (among other very nasty deaths), were women. Women who were inconvenient or wouldn't keep their mouths shut, who insisted in being educated. Many were mid-wives who were perceived as a threat to the burgeoning professional medical establishment of men, also they kept birth records that were central to taxation of the peasantry.
Inconvenient women. So when these powerful men accuse women of taking part in a "With HUnt" directed at them... know the history.

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:13 AM

3. If this subject interests you,

there is a truly great and under-read book called Calaban and the Witch by Maria Federici that looks at its roots.

Her thesis is that the witch trials in Europe coincided with the fencing of the commons. It was a way to divide and confuse the underclass that was rising up against the loss of the commons, setting the male among them against the female.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:30 AM

5. Thanks!

I have read several books on the subject. I can also recommend "Witchcraze", by Anne Barstow.
I have been doing research for a couple of years for a book I am making notes on. I have another project to finish first.
Thanks for the tip.

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:36 AM

6. And thank you! I haven't seen that one. Ordering it now.



Why is it, do you suppose, that this fascinates us?

Does this sound right to you: we feel in our bones that our culture has hatred for us. This was a time when it was overt, out in the open, and we feel like we can find answers in it about why that hatred exists?

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:48 AM

15. Thank you!

This was available at my library so I requested it. Again, much thanks!

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Response to Squinch (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:19 AM

12. Yeah, and IIRC...

during our own Salem witch trials, there were numerous land transactions that 'coincidentally' favored the trial judges and accusers by seizing plats left to women. Yeah, some of those 'witches' were simply widows who had the temerity to not re-marry.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:23 AM

13. Someone - i forgot who - did a study that showed that

though there was a good percentage of men among the accused in Salem, the vast majority of the women were standing in someone's way in terms of an inheritance or property ownership.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:51 AM

16. Thank you, Squinch!

I just read every review and comment over at Amazon and it's a must read. The way people talked about it you would think it was 1000 page book. But it's only 288 pages. So it must be power packed on every page. Not available at my library so I'm going to ask that they order it. "Witchcraze" is on the shelf so this one needs to be there, too.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:53 AM

17. That's interesting. I also think it had to do

with matriarchal lineages of passing family inheritances. Hindus say if you want to know who your father is you must ask your mother. That is why men insisted on marriage and separating women from each other.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 02:18 PM

19. Well, let's be clear

 

Her thesis is that the witch trials in Europe coincided with the fencing of the commons. It was a way to divide and confuse the underclass that was rising up against the loss of the commons, setting the male among them against the female.


It wasn't as if that hadn't been the reality for millennia already at the time.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 09:54 AM

2. I've seen speculation that "Daddy Needs a New Chief of Staff" Ivanka

may have been the one who leaked it to the tabloids.

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Response to tanyev (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:15 AM

10. Will she be like Cheney

And decide SHE is the best candidate?

What does she do there? Whenever something comes up, seems like she and her no-security clearance husband are on vacation.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:16 AM

4. Re: Sorensen - his wife reported it to the FBI last year per WAPO news article

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:52 AM

7. Yes

and it is a felony to lie to the FBI. They had no choice. Most victims of abuse would rather not air their pain in public. They have nothing to gain by this. I am quite sure they have moved on with their life and would rather not revisit the past.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:58 AM

8. Good point

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:03 AM

9. Yeah, but you know the FBI lies

That will be the Trumpenführer’s shtick.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:31 AM

14. The whole thing will be blamed on the FBI.

"They didn't tell us about this loud enough"!

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:17 AM

11. Agree this is a great point, Raven

And I appreciate them speaking up now when they’ve been put in this high profile position.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:58 AM

18. Good point. Of course, they have now chosen to go public.

Why now and not before, I don't know. Unless the FBI leaked it? Was it leaked?

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 06:27 PM

20. Excellent point, Raven..

Thank you!

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:14 PM

21. a heart for you my sweet

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