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shockey80

(4,379 posts)
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:40 AM Feb 2018

February 16th 2018. The beginning of the end for the Trump administration.

Yesterday, Mueller proved America was attacked. He also proved Trump lied to the American people about the attack, which proves Trump supported an attack on American in order to take control of our government.

Trump has been helping the country that attacked us by refusing to put in place sanctions congress passed. He has been supporting policies that benefit Russia. Trump has also tried to destroy the free press and he tried to take control of the justice department.

This is the definition of a traitor. You do not have to be in declared war for someone to be called a traitor. Trump the traitor.

Trump can no longer fire Mueller, that would be suicide. When Mueller brings charges against Trump and dozens of indictments against Americans that were involved in this plot it will be devastating. Trump will not survive.

Forty people were indicted for Watergate. This is much bigger.

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February 16th 2018. The beginning of the end for the Trump administration. (Original Post) shockey80 Feb 2018 OP
It seems fitting to me that this occurred on the Lunar New Year WhiteTara Feb 2018 #1
And as a Buddhist friend wrote to me yesterday about the New Year: fierywoman Feb 2018 #30
Loyalty is preferable to strutting WhiteTara Feb 2018 #33
Beautiful! fierywoman Feb 2018 #37
We have been waiting for so long. femmocrat Feb 2018 #2
Unfortunately, connecticut yankee Feb 2018 #3
Unless he did ANYTHING to further the criminal conspiracy... NightWatcher Feb 2018 #4
I believe I smell goose cooking. dchill Feb 2018 #5
He's in this up to his smarmy neck. WhiteTara Feb 2018 #34
After November... BaileyBill Feb 2018 #6
Bingo CabalPowered Feb 2018 #8
The only question is whether Russian meddling is already too mestastasized to overcome in 2018 Mr. Ected Feb 2018 #7
He is lawless, as all dictators are. ooky Feb 2018 #9
Cowards or afraid to be implicated? Scarsdale Feb 2018 #12
Every one of them who voted for sanctions, and says nothing, are cowards. ooky Feb 2018 #21
I have but one regret. That I can only K&R once. ffr Feb 2018 #10
At one point during watergate.... getagrip_already Feb 2018 #11
November is key. We need to take back the Congress and when we do, not let these people off the hook jalan48 Feb 2018 #13
I've been wondering volstork Feb 2018 #14
In the end, Putin may regret this plot. shockey80 Feb 2018 #15
O Happy Day... FailureToCommunicate Feb 2018 #16
I know this is probably just a dream, lark Feb 2018 #17
How many "beginnings of the end" have we had for Trump? oberliner Feb 2018 #18
That is my greatest fear as well DFW Feb 2018 #24
I think the Russians may have meticulously planned, but fierywoman Feb 2018 #31
k and r...no text Stuart G Feb 2018 #19
Not much on praying... Toorich Feb 2018 #20
I think he will find out Turtle and LyinRyan WhiteTara Feb 2018 #35
The charges mueller will put forth against trump and others will be devastating and undeniable. shockey80 Feb 2018 #22
Not if the GOP still holds a majority. Stonepounder Feb 2018 #26
Goes further than trump. No mastermind he. mountain grammy Feb 2018 #23
This goes wide and deep /Manafort (Russian agent) picked Pence for V.P. Botany Feb 2018 #25
Interesting. Thanks. mountain grammy Feb 2018 #32
It forced even Trump to admit there was Russian interference NastyRiffraff Feb 2018 #27
Real Estate Tycoon? SCVDem Feb 2018 #28
Make It So! MineralMan Feb 2018 #29
I hope this is true! IluvPitties Feb 2018 #36

WhiteTara

(29,692 posts)
1. It seems fitting to me that this occurred on the Lunar New Year
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:42 AM
Feb 2018

It is the time to clean house in all respects and prepare for the new year.
Thank you Bob Mueller and TEAM!

fierywoman

(7,671 posts)
30. And as a Buddhist friend wrote to me yesterday about the New Year:
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:28 PM
Feb 2018

"I much prefer dogs to cockerel" -- year of the dog instead of chicken -- imagine the metaphoric possibilities!

WhiteTara

(29,692 posts)
33. Loyalty is preferable to strutting
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 03:45 PM
Feb 2018

around the world stage. I guess Mueller is our first example of the new year with his loyalty to the constitution and rule of law.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
2. We have been waiting for so long.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:42 AM
Feb 2018

Now WE need to overturn this feckless Congress in November and start impeachment proceedings without delay.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
4. Unless he did ANYTHING to further the criminal conspiracy...
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 10:49 AM
Feb 2018

then he's gone too.

Mueller knows how to take down entire groups not just their heads.

BaileyBill

(171 posts)
6. After November...
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:12 AM
Feb 2018

(January, actually) the Speaker of the House will hopefully be a Democrat, third in line of succession. Pence is dirty, too.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
7. The only question is whether Russian meddling is already too mestastasized to overcome in 2018
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:19 AM
Feb 2018

We'll destroy them in fair and square midterm elections.

Thereafter, impeachment would be a given.

But how deeply have they already gotten in de-equitizing the upcoming elections, and will a willing 35% audience continue to look the other way and make their job all the more easy?

ooky

(8,908 posts)
9. He is lawless, as all dictators are.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 11:43 AM
Feb 2018

He obviously thinks that the law doesn’t apply to him. His refusal to enact the sanctions that Congress voted for are all the grounds for impeachment the House needs. They should issue him a warning to do it now or face impeachment. Too bad the Republicans are cowards.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
12. Cowards or afraid to be implicated?
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:09 PM
Feb 2018

The Russian money was flowing freely among the gop traitors. They should all be charged with treason, starting at the top.

ooky

(8,908 posts)
21. Every one of them who voted for sanctions, and says nothing, are cowards.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:51 PM
Feb 2018

Of course, “coward” is a requirement for the job in the eyes of those who heavily fund their campaigns.

Sure it would be great if they are implicated for treason too, icing on the cake.

getagrip_already

(14,632 posts)
11. At one point during watergate....
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:08 PM
Feb 2018

Key members of congress met privatekly with the joint chiefs of staff and asked them what they would do if the president ordered them to move against congress or the judiciary. It was that scary.

Luckily, they ALL believed their oath was to the constitution, and not the president. To a person they declared they would not follow an order they believed to be illegal or unconstitutional.

I wonder if anyone has had that conversation recently?

jalan48

(13,842 posts)
13. November is key. We need to take back the Congress and when we do, not let these people off the hook
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:12 PM
Feb 2018

We can can no longer afford to look forward and not backward.

volstork

(5,399 posts)
14. I've been wondering
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:13 PM
Feb 2018

if this entire investigation might also be the beginning of the end for putin. I'm not savvy enough about Russian politics to know how that might play out, but it's interesting to consider...

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
15. In the end, Putin may regret this plot.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:25 PM
Feb 2018

When all the facts come out the American people are going to become very angry. Eventually congress and the future president will hit Putin hard.

lark

(23,065 posts)
17. I know this is probably just a dream,
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:42 PM
Feb 2018

but I keep hoping Mueller can indict the repug party for conspiracy against America, including Pence, McConnell, Ryan, Sessions, Nunes, and all the drumpf family that was involved in the theft of the election. I hope he finds proof of them & Russia hacking the vote, deleting dems from the voter roles, adding fake repugs and recording their repug votes. Only if it is proven that our election was stolen can real systematic changes be implemented. It will also depress repug voter turnout so we can get majorities in both houses and impeach Pence and drumpf.

Yesterday was masterful in protecting the investigation, just can't wait for the proof of their russian repugs treason to be made public!

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
18. How many "beginnings of the end" have we had for Trump?
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:42 PM
Feb 2018

I can think of at least a dozen off the top of my head.

DFW

(54,298 posts)
24. That is my greatest fear as well
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:06 PM
Feb 2018

Anything this meticulously planned out in advance must have had contingencies made for this sort of thing as well. My only hope is that knowing our Constitution has no provision for negating a fraudulent election, they might not have bothered.

fierywoman

(7,671 posts)
31. I think the Russians may have meticulously planned, but
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:33 PM
Feb 2018

I doubt F-ing Moron Company & Sons gave this much thought other than grabbing as much in the moment as possible.

Toorich

(391 posts)
20. Not much on praying...
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:44 PM
Feb 2018

but if I was, I'd pray that Mueller follows the Russian money all the way into the rethug PACS
and into the accounts of the smirking and the smug.
Also, I'd pray that he has a Russian canary since they can warble beautifully.

WhiteTara

(29,692 posts)
35. I think he will find out Turtle and LyinRyan
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 03:48 PM
Feb 2018

Got all that money from the Russians too. They all think they are above the law.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
22. The charges mueller will put forth against trump and others will be devastating and undeniable.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 12:54 PM
Feb 2018

Congress will be forced to act.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
26. Not if the GOP still holds a majority.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:19 PM
Feb 2018

Mueller reports out the whole damn grand scheme to turn the US into a criminal oligarchy.
FAUX News goes bat-shit crazy about fake news, Mueller is a tool of the Clinton's, lock her up, etc.
Breitbart and the alt-Right, as well as the whole Russian bot-farm cranks into high gear about Mueller 'lies'.
The GOP decides it needs Senate and House Committees to 'investigate'.
And Trump and Putin laugh all the way to the bank.

Botany

(70,447 posts)
25. This goes wide and deep /Manafort (Russian agent) picked Pence for V.P.
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:08 PM
Feb 2018

The Russians needed people inside of the U.S. to help run their scams and found them in
Team Trump, Fox News, the NRA, and the GOP.

BTW how did McConnell know that if he blocked Garland he would get somebody else to
vote for the SCOTUS?

*******

http://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-was-handpicked-paul-manafort-696412

Russia is way deep into the Republican party.


Before Trump formally announced Pence as his vice presidential candidate, it was Manafort who made sure it happened, The New York Times reported last year.

Trump had hesitated to settle on Pence, who was governor of Indiana. Trump was fielding last-ditch appeals from New Jersey Governor Chris Christie and publicly said he had not made a “final, final decision” until advisers like Manafort reminded him of the importance of uniting the GOP around conservative Christian values.

CBS News reported that Pence was Manafort's "first choice" and that Manafort even lied about mechanical problems on Trump's plane to make the soon-to-be GOP nominee stay an extra day in Indiana to get to know Pence. In a phone call, Manafort assured Trump that Pence was the right choice and made a case that won over the real estate tycoon.

Manafort would later downplay his behind-the-scenes choice, telling the Times that Trump never seriously doubted Pence.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
27. It forced even Trump to admit there was Russian interference
Sat Feb 17, 2018, 01:19 PM
Feb 2018

He's always denied it. Now it's: There was interference but nothing to do with me!

I know we've had notices that This Is It before, but I think this is REALLY it, or at least the start of It.

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