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Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:29 AM

I shut up an NRA right winger yesterday in church.

He started asking me about arming teachers before I even got my coat off. I said, “Look at me. Many students in the middle school and high school could overpower me in a matter of seconds, grab my keys and get the gun. Then what?” He then started muttering about armed security guards. I asked about funds. (He has complained in the past about new school hires) He then muttered something about volunteers with guns. I gave him an incredulous look, and said, “What could go wrong with that?”He shut up. His daughter is also a teacher! I just don’t understand these people.

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Reply I shut up an NRA right winger yesterday in church. (Original post)
lkinwi Feb 2018 OP
HipChick Feb 2018 #1
dchill Feb 2018 #4
mentalslavery Feb 2018 #36
hedda_foil Feb 2018 #73
kiri Feb 2018 #74
cstanleytech Feb 2018 #42
JHB Feb 2018 #75
elleng Feb 2018 #2
dchill Feb 2018 #3
PatSeg Feb 2018 #5
Heartstrings Feb 2018 #6
ismnotwasm Feb 2018 #7
Ferrets are Cool Feb 2018 #11
IronLionZion Feb 2018 #31
stopbush Feb 2018 #15
Name removed Feb 2018 #40
mcar Feb 2018 #44
OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #8
lostnfound Feb 2018 #9
smirkymonkey Feb 2018 #35
Freedomofspeech Feb 2018 #10
Woodycall Feb 2018 #41
Iggo Feb 2018 #48
packman Feb 2018 #12
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2018 #29
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shockey80 Feb 2018 #14
dalton99a Feb 2018 #16
Initech Feb 2018 #17
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rainin Feb 2018 #20
gratuitous Feb 2018 #21
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panader0 Feb 2018 #24
NoMoreRepugs Feb 2018 #25
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NoMoreRepugs Feb 2018 #72
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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:31 AM

1. Are they looking for validation?

I had someone initiate some similar conversation this morning...at the dr's office, except it was just past 6am, and I was in a lot of pain. My death stare worked well, he shut up after a few..

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Response to HipChick (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:35 AM

4. Being at the doctor's office at 6 a.m. is bad enough...

Without THAT. I'm sorry about your pain.

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Response to HipChick (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 01:49 PM

36. yep...they know their full of shit...when you take them seriously...

 

then it makes them feel like maybe they have a point...and aren't complete monsters. When they do this..just look at them and say...."You're a fuckin monster...." "disgusting"...ETC...

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Response to mentalslavery (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 20, 2018, 02:20 AM

73. Helpful Hedda hopefully helps with spelling there, their and they're.

It's they're full of shit because they're is a contraction (shortening) of "they are" as in they are full of shit.

Their means something they have, as in It's their shit.

On the other hand, when you're talking about something that's in a specific location, the right word is there as in I just know they're going to leave their shit right there for us to clean up.

I hope you enjoyed this episode of Helpful Hedda's hopeful hints.

Hedda

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Response to mentalslavery (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 20, 2018, 02:20 AM

74. they are is they're eom

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Response to HipChick (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:22 PM

42. They are looking for anything that will let them keep their guns.

Even in spite of the fact that it's been proven that reasonable gun laws like in Australia actually work the best at preventing these mass murders.

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Response to HipChick (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 20, 2018, 08:05 AM

75. Yes. They are looking for validation, they feel confidence in numbers...

They need to prove to themselves that they have the popular position, and the opposition is just a handful of agitators obsessed with taking their guns.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:32 AM

2. Thanks for your efforts.

Presenting real world issues to these foolish people might have some effect.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:33 AM

3. "What could go wrong with that?

Indeed.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:36 AM

5. That subject line

Not something you hear every day. "I shut up an NRA right winger yesterday in church", but we live in very strange times.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:36 AM

6. My parents were both teachers

My father taught math at the high school level, trigonometry, calculus, etc. My mother was certified K-3, mostly taught 1st grade.

They are both deceased, however I'm sure niether would have wanted the added responsibility of a loaded gun in their possession while teaching. Nope!

Like stated, "what could go wrong?"

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:37 AM

7. I got in a similar argument

Had a guy tell me schools should be a “fortress”-he wouldn’t answer when I asked who was going to pay for the security upgrades. Gun fanatics clearly use a lot of magical thinking about guns and the ability to stop shooting by their presence, rather than their absence

Edit to add a twitter feed who asks a lot of very relevant question about this


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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:59 AM

11. I will add, what happens when a teacher accidentally shoots

innocent students while trying to shoot an assailant? Is that teacher then to be charged with murder or is it just collateral damage?
If you have 100 teachers at a school with guns, and the real first responders get to the location, how do they pinpoint the REAL shooter?

Arming teachers is the most stupid fucking idea since it became legal to sell KID KILLING guns to people.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 01:35 PM

31. That's already happened a lot this year

and wingnuts were the ones who point out that the high number of school shootings in 2018 include accidental discharges and not just some asshole deliberately trying to murder his classmates.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:14 PM

15. The entire RW philosophy is based on magical thinking.

It all starts with embracing the make believe of Christianity. Once you treat that fiction as “the truth,” the sky’s the limit when it comes to what idiocies one can believe to be fact.

Faith is such a cheap commodity.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:34 PM

44. Other questions:

Who pays for the guns (our school district rations copy paper so teachers have to use their own)?
Where are the guns kept? On the teacher all day? In a locked safe?

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:39 AM

8. Great responses

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:45 AM

9. many people would not feel safe HAVING a gun... 60% of gun deaths are actually suicides

People who go through bouts of depression, hopelessness or loneliness do not need to feel compelled to carry a gun.

It’s offensive to me when people suggest that ordinary folks should all carry. A lot of us don’t want to touch them, and encouraging people to arm themselves is asking for more homicides and suicides, not less.

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Response to lostnfound (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 01:45 PM

35. I agree. I think it would be horribly wrong to make teachers comply with such a law.

 

Not only that, but it is just a stupid idea and can only cause more harm than good. God, these gun humpers are idiots. To them, a gun is the solution to EVERY problem.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:51 AM

10. They are sick, stupid people...

Have no idea about the school environment.

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Response to Freedomofspeech (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:21 PM

41. Yes. That's exactly who these people are. n/t

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Response to Freedomofspeech (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:44 PM

48. They don't care about kids. They only care about guns.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:04 PM

12. Teachers with guns - Yah, right

I've known quite a few teachers who went off the rails. Unruly class, belligerent student, rotten home experience brought into the classroom, grudge against administration, etc. , etc. - teachers are people with trigger (pun intended) points also.

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Response to packman (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 01:31 PM

29. Where are they going to keep the guns the kids can't find them?

Arming teachers sounds like an accident waiting to happen. It's the GOP/NRA's way to divert from the real problems, and creates more problems than it solves.

That's o.k., though. The DHS already has a solution -- an active shooter training simulator for teachers. This software is scheduled to be released this spring.

I'm not kidding (AP article):

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:10 PM

13. Some simpletons

need to have guns like a pacifier. Big ass babies, too scared to live in this world.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:12 PM

14. Good job.

 

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:14 PM

16. Every classroom should have an airplane cockpit door

with a gun port for defense

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:17 PM

17. "What could go wrong?"

We need to start asking that at every one of their insane suggestions!

Arming teachers? What could go wrong?

Armed guards in every classroom? What could go wrong?

Volunteer army? What could go wrong?

Drones? What could go wrong?

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:19 PM

18. They really don't think

It's easy to shut them up with facts and questions that they don't even have. Good for you dear.

Much love

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:20 PM

19. Big School had an armed Deputy sheriff and a guard on premises.

from the time the shooter left his Uber 219 pm, students first heard gun fire at 221pm to the time he dropped the gun and blended in with students 224 pm. He killed 17 including the guard. It has 3158 students. You would need a large contingent of armed people.

using Fox's own link

[link:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/18/florida-school-shooting-timeline.html|]

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:20 PM

20. Arm teachers? Then you could be just as scared of your coworker as you are of a deranged teenager.

Great idea!!

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:21 PM

21. The cost . . . the cost . . . the cost

We can't adequately maintain or staff our schools as it is. Who's going to foot the bill for thousands and thousands of dollars of weapons and ammunition, not to mention training and storage? And that's not just your local school, but every school in the district, every district in the area, and every area in the state.

Now, while you're pondering that little conundrum, my gun-humping friends, who do you suppose would be pushing for more guns everywhere? Might it have anything to do with who would realize a profit from additional sales of firearms, which have been kind of flat in the last year or so, for some reason?

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:54 PM

56. Not every school. Just the rich white ones. nt

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 01:02 PM

22. People in homes with guns die at higher rates than homes without (I think; need link)


I don't have the data and it might be hard to search for, but I'm pretty sure about this. Anyone have data links?

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 01:05 PM

23. I think those who constantly claim a good guy with a gun

can stop a bad guy with a gun every time needs to meditate over this picture:


https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/FrclNA0QPNnx92y809Gs7z7oZTQ=/800x600/filters:no_upscale()/

Most of the people surrounding St. Ronald had guns. And how did they stop Hinkley? Did they shoot him? If you don't remember or haven't seen the tape, just google it.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 01:18 PM

27. If only Reagan had been wearing a bulletproof backpack

But Hinkley still would have shot him in his chest.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 01:07 PM

24. Tell him to google Trump/Russia/NRA.

The NRA is treasonous.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 01:13 PM

25. Soldiers in stressful situations hardly EVER hit what

they are aiming at. An ill trained teacher with screaming students everywhere.... oh yeah, that's a GREAT PLAN.

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Response to NoMoreRepugs (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 08:01 PM

62. Better yet, even individuals trained in small arms handling:

Friendly fire causalities in the US forces historically run between 23 to 25 percent of all battle causalities.

Quoting my spousal unit, retired munitions maintainance technician, "They haven't made the bullet or bomb that stops in mid flight because a non combatant is in the way."

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #62)

Tue Feb 20, 2018, 12:05 AM

72. Eggsactly.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 01:16 PM

26. You can't really have a discussion with some of these people.

In my experience, they do not use logic at all. Their "arguments" are not well-thought out, and worse, are not based in the reality most of us on the planet recognize and agree with. It's like arguing with a toddler, except the toddler would make more sense.

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Response to liberalmuse (Reply #26)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:35 PM

45. I'm surprised he didn't reply

that the solution is to close all public schools and have everyone homeschool.

There, THAT would solve the problem.

I'm sure some of the RWNJs have thought of this and consider it a reasonable solution. Kill (pun intended) two birds with one stone: no mass shooting targets + destroy public education!!!!!!

Oh, and if homeschooling doesn't work for some, no problem, just skip edumacation! An educated populace is a bad thing, after all. Much easier to control dumbasses.


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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 01:26 PM

28. They are flailing about in order to save their precious guns. They are scared of victims speaking up

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 01:34 PM

30. Don't arm people who don't want it; DISarm people who shouldn't have it!

The answer to gun violence isn't more guns, just as the answer to road rage isn't more cars.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 01:37 PM

32. Some people just think life works like an action movie.

It's part of their personal la-la land, I guess.



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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 01:40 PM

33. Clinging to their guns and bible. Obama Truth.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 01:41 PM

34. To understand these people, just remember that GUNS come first.

There is no solution or course of action they will consider that involves stricter gun control laws.

Why?

Because guns are part of the "conservative" ideological package they have swallowed whole. It comes with a bible wrapped in the flag and a belief system which includes global warming denial and whatever else the rightwing propaganda machine has conditioned them to believe.

It doesn't matter that Republican policies are the antithesis of the teachings of Jesus Christ, or that Trump is a tool of a foreign adversary, or that facts and science refute their dogma.

The ideological package they've swallowed whole is unshakable. Then they rationalize and compartmentalize to make everything else fit, even if it doesn't.

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #34)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 01:53 PM

38. +1000

 

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 01:49 PM

37. Do these people ever consider the fear induced by the presence of guns?

Most people - including children - will carry a subconscious fear in them, knowing there's a gun present.

Hell, I'm a 70-YO male and don't feel comfortable around one, even with people I know. A gun is an instant killing machine and people of any type can go off their rocker at any time.

Further, it's been proven by lots of research that most people with guns - including police - do not react rationally in an emergency, especially under fire. Even cops fire 30 or 40 rounds to take down one man. What could go wrong?

We need schools where fear is not present so our children can learn in peace.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:02 PM

39. In church?? Next time, show him this...

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:23 PM

43. You must live in my town.

I call these people “a’gainners”.

They are against (a’gin in the south) EVERYTHING that represents progress. They show up at council or planning meetings, make some goofy claim that we must only do something like it was done way back when, get interviewed by teevee or newspaper. At some point they get addicted to the attention, and there’s no going back.

My town is LOUSY with a’ginners.

Their latest issue: why in heaven’s name would we spend money to put a shelter and restroom facility at the local farmers market? It’s been a huge fuss.

Idiots. They have no idea that thousands of people shop there three days a week for all their produce.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:35 PM

46. So these already underpaid people

are now supposed to be a private security force too, along with everything else.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:40 PM

47. It's that Save The Guns At All Cost mentality.

They lose their minds sometimes coming up with alternatives to getting rid of the guns.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:46 PM

49. Volunteers with guns, with them stopping background checks.

What can go wrong? Maybe he is worried about the safety of his daughter, but his "solutions" will most likely make her less safe.

Heck, even if a NFL linebacker came into a school as armed protection, there is no certainty that his gun can't be taken by a determined kid. A bat to the head while the linebacker isn't looking is all it takes. I knew a kid once who carried a hammerhead on a rope and kept the stuff in a pocket, it was lethal, he tried to hit me with it and just missed. If he had hit me, I was either dead on the spot, or alive with severe brain damage. The objective should be to keep dangerous kids out of regular schools and put them into specialized schools that are equipped to deal with their issues, not give them guns to kill others with.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:48 PM

50. Well stated!

This retired Army officer and current high school history teacher owns several guns. My guns are locked up in the house and ammunition is locked up & stored in the barn. As a teacher, I would never want to take a gun to school or have any teachers armed. Leave that to our School Resource Officers. Mental health budgets should be increased across the nation, limiting magazine capacity would help, nobody needs increase age limits for gun ownership to 21...since my 17-20year old soldiers could not buy alcohol until 21, why not limit gun ownership to 21.....Granted lots of kids have been hunting since they were 10....then you hold parents responsible for guns taken and used in assaults by their children younger than 21. How about forcing gun owners to have insurance on their guns/plus registration, not just pistols, all long guns, blackpowder, shotguns and pistols......

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:49 PM

51. Adults engaging in this kind of hero think are immature.

Makes it tougher to change their fantasy. Finishing the story is something they never engage in in their heads: "So it's preferable for children to survive through blood, death and terror as opposed to never experiencing it at all, so long as you're the hero they see"?

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:51 PM

52. I've always been puzzled by the "arm the teachers" thing.

These idiots don't seem to take one basic fact into consideration: not everyone is capable of killing another person. I would bet most educators would fall into that category.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 03:37 PM

53. The School had an armed guard

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/armed-guard-florida-school-encountered-rampaging-gunman-article-1.3822777

They had others who were unarmed guards, including assistant coach Feis, who died protecting kids. These fools who pray at the gun god will never admit they are wrong

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:52 PM

54. I heard someone suggest yesterday that all schools should just have metal detectors ...

and check everyone in through that and/or with a wand. Thankfully, someone else in the room blurted out, "and what do you think happens when the first person they shoot is the one stationed at the metal detector?"

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:53 PM

55. We do not need more guns in schools. We need more art supplies, musical instruments, and computers.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 05:01 PM

57. Who has this conversation in church?

 

Or in doctor offices, dental offices, auto garages for that matter? Oh, and the grocery line? I visit all these places, and these conversations never happen to me...nor do I overhear them.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #57)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 06:08 PM

59. LOL

Your post made me think that we talk politics in church quite a bit. A small group of us do anyway. Nobody seems to get mad even though we have differing views.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 05:19 PM

58. what is there to understand? THEY ARE GUN HUMPING COWARDS.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 06:18 PM

60. hoc fabula bono

fratem

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 07:51 PM

61. If you want an assault rifle...

Then you need to serve your country. Get that juvenile shit out of your system. If you can't serve, you have no business with such a weapon.

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Response to RainCaster (Reply #61)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 08:57 PM

65. +1

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Response to RainCaster (Reply #61)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 09:14 PM

66. +2 that's what I've been saying... eom

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Response to RainCaster (Reply #61)

Tue Feb 20, 2018, 11:16 AM

81. +1

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 08:15 PM

63. I have been shaking my head lately...

some friends are coming out strong for guns and for Trumps mental health, fuck, did I miss something?

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 08:53 PM

64. K & R

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 09:22 PM

67. its simple

right wing = stupid , or, stupid enough to be taken advantage of like most if the south that continually votes against there own best interest

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 09:41 PM

68. "People in homes with guns die at higher rates

than homes without (I think; need link)"

My mother used to have those stats at her finger tips. She quoted it to us. But now the numbers are too out-of-date since the NRA got research into gun violence blocked in 1996.

Sure wish we had the stats. One of my son's and his family have guns thinking it makes them and their six kids (ages 9 and under) safer. I need chapter-and-verse to have any hope of him coming to his senses.

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Response to summer_in_TX (Reply #68)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:35 PM

69. Google it

Start with looking for deaths from guns statistics. It won’t take you long to find what you’re looking for.

Or look for death rates in homes with guns. The statistics are out there.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:53 PM

70. rambo dreams.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:56 PM

71. Yeah... what happens if...

 

a teacher shoots a student they thought had a gun.

Or a teacher shoots another teacher who DID have a gun, but wasn't recognized in the heat of the moment.

Or a teacher (especially a black one) has a gun out when SWAT arrives?

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Tue Feb 20, 2018, 09:24 AM

76. Well done, Ikinwi!

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Tue Feb 20, 2018, 09:48 AM

77. I think your friend has been listening to Rush Limbaugh

Rush and his ilk promote this "arm the teachers" solution. As do half the Russian bots, of course.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Tue Feb 20, 2018, 10:11 AM

78. I have a standard response to right wing jerkoffs

Why don't you shut the fuck up.

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Tue Feb 20, 2018, 10:20 AM

79. right wing politicssociopathy. nt

 

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Response to lkinwi (Original post)

Tue Feb 20, 2018, 11:16 AM

80. That's the talking point being pushed by Fox and rw radio now

Good for you for your effort!

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