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Trump endorses Mitt Romney, and the Man of Character, Mitt accepts endorsement !!! (Original Post) OnDoutside Feb 2018 OP
Utah's values must be fairly up their ass OnDoutside Feb 2018 #1
Keep your Utah values Funtatlaguy Feb 2018 #8
+1000 OnDoutside Feb 2018 #9
Brilliant ! Morning Joe is leading with his hypocrisy ! OnDoutside Feb 2018 #2
No Romney fan here at all, but an unelected pol is just a private citizen. Hortensis Feb 2018 #3
"he's not trying to join trumpsters"....Eh ? He just accepted Trump's endorsement to get Trumpsters OnDoutside Feb 2018 #4
Sorry. That strikes me as just reaction. Hortensis Feb 2018 #5
Not a bit of it. Utah was in general highly skeptical of Trump anyway, OnDoutside Feb 2018 #11
Who do you think will be Utah's next junior senator? Hortensis Feb 2018 #13
Clearly it's Romney's seat to lose, in fact as Ana Navarro put it OnDoutside Feb 2018 #15
I was hoping for some little indication of electoral weakness. Hortensis Feb 2018 #16
But that's not pragmatic, it's just dishonest when you say one thing in public and another OnDoutside Feb 2018 #17
That was a pass? The man is as dishonest to the voters Hortensis Feb 2018 #19
Trump is the Party and the Party is Trump JHB Feb 2018 #6
OK, let's see if Romney will have Trump campaign on his behalf. no_hypocrisy Feb 2018 #7
Don wants to get his mitts (pun intended) on the binders of women. Vinca Feb 2018 #10
More frog legs, Mittens? Cirque du So-What Feb 2018 #12
He must have gotten a software reboot since March 2016. tanyev Feb 2018 #14
A vulture capitalist accepts endorsement from a bankruptcy specialist. BSdetect Feb 2018 #18

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
3. No Romney fan here at all, but an unelected pol is just a private citizen.
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 07:19 AM
Feb 2018

Someone else will instead get and use our power. Always. Serious candidates have a duty to win, to not fail the thousands and millions who invested their hopes for the future in them.

I look to what a person's overall record says about his character and principles to decide what I think of this kind of thing.

To be fair to Romney, he's not trying to join trumpsters, he's trying to become a leader of those who were deluded into supporting Trump.

OnDoutside

(19,949 posts)
4. "he's not trying to join trumpsters"....Eh ? He just accepted Trump's endorsement to get Trumpsters
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 07:38 AM
Feb 2018

to vote for him !!! He has the character backbone of a jellyfish.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. Sorry. That strikes me as just reaction.
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 07:48 AM
Feb 2018

Would pursuing even the highest political goals in such a way that failure is guaranteed, instead of succeeding enough to carry them out, truly be principled behavior?

Don't the principles and the goals themselves create a duty to make them live?

And no, I'm not saying that ends always justify means, but that they can justify some means.

OnDoutside

(19,949 posts)
11. Not a bit of it. Utah was in general highly skeptical of Trump anyway,
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 08:28 AM
Feb 2018

and when the Republican party was crying out for leadership, for someone to take a stand, Romney funked it for the second time in 15 months. Evan McMullen is a better leader for Utah than Romney could ever be.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. Who do you think will be Utah's next junior senator?
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 09:14 AM
Feb 2018

You know, Romney's basically a religious fundamentalist, which has a way of providing backbone. Even his top staff didn't know what his real agenda was in 2012, which I took to mean he couldn't reveal it before he took power. He didn't change his positions from audience to audience because he didn't know what they really were himself, but from believing lies would serve better than truth. Something I took as a very bad sign.

My problems, aside from this huge one of believing government should serve god instead of secular goals, and lying big time about that, are that I see him as inappropriately ignorant, lacking in intellectual curiosity, and intellectually dishonest, which from my observations most fundamentalists tend/need to be. How could it be otherwise when all really important information is found in just one old book, and of course everything that contradicts it must be wrong? Plus, I believe he has plenty of that plain old human weakness for ignoring the evidence of his eyes in order to adopt more personally pleasing answers, hanging them all on god's will.

Bad presidential material without even worrying about his expectation of presiding over Armageddon.

Lol. Do I dislike him more than you after all?

OnDoutside

(19,949 posts)
15. Clearly it's Romney's seat to lose, in fact as Ana Navarro put it
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 10:15 AM
Feb 2018



He could have stood for what was supposed to have been the "ideals" of the Republican Party, given the two fingers to Trump, still won and not be a complete and utter hypocrite.

As for his real agenda in 2012, you may have missed this !!!



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. I was hoping for some little indication of electoral weakness.
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 10:29 AM
Feb 2018

Sigh. That old quote is certainly an example of the "pragmatic" dishonesty he employs far too routinely, along with a good dose of his signature contempt for the electorate's wishes.

Well, obviously Romney disagrees with Ms. Navarro about the utility of accepting Trump's endorsement. But then he's been within a whisper of the White House only to go home and rake leaves instead, or whatever he actually did.

OnDoutside

(19,949 posts)
17. But that's not pragmatic, it's just dishonest when you say one thing in public and another
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 10:38 AM
Feb 2018

in private.

I honestly don't understand how you can give him a pass on what are numerous examples of hypocrisy/dishonesty, and still expect him to do the right thing. There's no/little basis for that supposition.

Gavin Newsome has the best comment on it


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. That was a pass? The man is as dishonest to the voters
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 11:27 AM
Feb 2018

in his way as Trump. Certainly he's far more competent and far more likely to know full well that he's lying as he does it. And also unlike Trump, who's usually indulging whatever's wrong with him whenever he opens his mouth, Romney lies for a specific purpose and is able to recognize and use truth when it serves better, for that reason.

As for hypocrisy, there has to be an element of self delusion to turn being a two-faced liar into being a hypocrite. I don't know how much of a hypocrite Romney is. I suspect he tries to be honest with himself as far as able, even if not others, as he works to fulfill god's will.

Hadn't thought about it, but Trump's practically all self delusion, so it'd be interesting to know if he's capable of hypocrisy. After all, everything's true in the moment he wants it to be.

Well, this has been a pleasant veg. Have a nice Tuesday.

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