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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump endorses Mitt Romney, and the Man of Character, Mitt accepts endorsement !!!
Incredible, though not surprising.
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OnDoutside
(19,949 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,868 posts)Give me Californias or New Yorks
OnDoutside
(19,949 posts)OnDoutside
(19,949 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Someone else will instead get and use our power. Always. Serious candidates have a duty to win, to not fail the thousands and millions who invested their hopes for the future in them.
I look to what a person's overall record says about his character and principles to decide what I think of this kind of thing.
To be fair to Romney, he's not trying to join trumpsters, he's trying to become a leader of those who were deluded into supporting Trump.
OnDoutside
(19,949 posts)to vote for him !!! He has the character backbone of a jellyfish.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Would pursuing even the highest political goals in such a way that failure is guaranteed, instead of succeeding enough to carry them out, truly be principled behavior?
Don't the principles and the goals themselves create a duty to make them live?
And no, I'm not saying that ends always justify means, but that they can justify some means.
OnDoutside
(19,949 posts)and when the Republican party was crying out for leadership, for someone to take a stand, Romney funked it for the second time in 15 months. Evan McMullen is a better leader for Utah than Romney could ever be.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)You know, Romney's basically a religious fundamentalist, which has a way of providing backbone. Even his top staff didn't know what his real agenda was in 2012, which I took to mean he couldn't reveal it before he took power. He didn't change his positions from audience to audience because he didn't know what they really were himself, but from believing lies would serve better than truth. Something I took as a very bad sign.
My problems, aside from this huge one of believing government should serve god instead of secular goals, and lying big time about that, are that I see him as inappropriately ignorant, lacking in intellectual curiosity, and intellectually dishonest, which from my observations most fundamentalists tend/need to be. How could it be otherwise when all really important information is found in just one old book, and of course everything that contradicts it must be wrong? Plus, I believe he has plenty of that plain old human weakness for ignoring the evidence of his eyes in order to adopt more personally pleasing answers, hanging them all on god's will.
Bad presidential material without even worrying about his expectation of presiding over Armageddon.
Lol. Do I dislike him more than you after all?
OnDoutside
(19,949 posts)Link to tweet
He could have stood for what was supposed to have been the "ideals" of the Republican Party, given the two fingers to Trump, still won and not be a complete and utter hypocrite.
As for his real agenda in 2012, you may have missed this !!!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Sigh. That old quote is certainly an example of the "pragmatic" dishonesty he employs far too routinely, along with a good dose of his signature contempt for the electorate's wishes.
Well, obviously Romney disagrees with Ms. Navarro about the utility of accepting Trump's endorsement. But then he's been within a whisper of the White House only to go home and rake leaves instead, or whatever he actually did.
OnDoutside
(19,949 posts)in private.
I honestly don't understand how you can give him a pass on what are numerous examples of hypocrisy/dishonesty, and still expect him to do the right thing. There's no/little basis for that supposition.
Gavin Newsome has the best comment on it
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)in his way as Trump. Certainly he's far more competent and far more likely to know full well that he's lying as he does it. And also unlike Trump, who's usually indulging whatever's wrong with him whenever he opens his mouth, Romney lies for a specific purpose and is able to recognize and use truth when it serves better, for that reason.
As for hypocrisy, there has to be an element of self delusion to turn being a two-faced liar into being a hypocrite. I don't know how much of a hypocrite Romney is. I suspect he tries to be honest with himself as far as able, even if not others, as he works to fulfill god's will.
Hadn't thought about it, but Trump's practically all self delusion, so it'd be interesting to know if he's capable of hypocrisy. After all, everything's true in the moment he wants it to be.
Well, this has been a pleasant veg. Have a nice Tuesday.
JHB
(37,157 posts)Never allow them to disown them. Blast the escape pods.
no_hypocrisy
(46,057 posts)Vinca
(50,248 posts)Cirque du So-What
(25,914 posts)Whatever you do, don't choke on them. That would be horrible.