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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 04:06 AM Jan 2012

If you were a taxonomist, you would have to classify Dems and Repubs as different species

Conservation voters ratings of the 2008 WA State legislature




Alliance of Retired Americans rating of 2005 Congress on senior issues



Votes are ranked on a scale of 0 to 100, with Republicans clustering around 0, and Democrats clustering around 100. So the reason why unions, feminists, environmentalists, etc. stick with Democrats is that Democrats overwhelmingly vote the right way on their issues and Republicans almost never do.

From a progressive standpoint, of course, the obvious problem is that the bold, transformative stuff like single payer or EFCA never makes it out of committee. And that is never going to happen unless OWS and similar groups become permanent outside pressure groups. It would be helpful if progressives would get better at doing electoral politics, so that we could primary more Democrats who need it. All too many progressive issue junkies refuse to recognize that most voters don't happen to be committed policy wonks.

BTW, the most conservative Democrats have better voting records than the most liberal Republicans. For all 222 House Republicans in 2005, the average score was 5.5 (standard deviation 6.2). For the 203 Democrats, the average score was 94.6 (standard deviation 8.0). Rating a Democrat as conservative with a score of less than 85, there are only 19 of them--with average score of 75.8 (standard deviation 8.8). Rating a Republican as liberal with a score of more than 15, there are only 16 of them--with average score of 22.2 (standard deviation 4.6).
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housewolf

(7,252 posts)
1. There is evidence to suggest that there is actually a difference in the brains
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 05:40 AM
Jan 2012

between those of the left and those of the right

It's quite interesting, see if you can find it. It helps answer some of the questions about why/how the worldviews are so different and irreconcilable.



joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
2. Fascinating OP, thanks.
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 05:43 AM
Jan 2012

I personally think infiltrators are here because it was so effective in 2010, pushing the false meme that there's no difference.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
3. The same only in the sense that we can't seem to get bolder initiatives moving.
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 06:15 AM
Jan 2012

However, all that incremental stuff really does help people, and we can't ignore that basic fact.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
4. I got an epic OP to illustrate that (incremental stuff helps people).
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 06:18 AM
Jan 2012

Will probably sink like a rock like yours did (would've missed it were it not for housewolf) but I appreciate your OP and will probably use some of its data in my OP if that's OK. And I'll give you a kick when I wake up, because it's wrong to state there's no difference.

tabatha

(18,795 posts)
6. Those would make wonderful visual ads.
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:27 AM
Jan 2012

The top two show that the Republicans are all over the map in their section of the graph - greased palms? while the Dems are mostly consistent.

But the difference in senior and retiree issues is unmistakable - yet Rove will run ads that say the opposite.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
8. The first set is from a state legislature
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 05:13 PM
Jan 2012

Even Repubs in WA State know that it isn't smart to be too anti-environmental here.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
10. Of course, if you're a splitter, you'd have to break both parties up into sub-species.
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 05:34 PM
Jan 2012

Lumper or Splitter? That's the real question of taxonomy.

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