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LAS14

(13,783 posts)
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 07:38 PM Feb 2018

Have we had presidents this bad in our history? I ask, because....

.... I remember zoning out when we hit the latter half of the 19th century in highschool. My impression was lots of corruption and a serious lack of intelligence. Has it been this bad before?

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Have we had presidents this bad in our history? I ask, because.... (Original Post) LAS14 Feb 2018 OP
A bunch of historians just decided Trump is the very worst, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #1
my opinion bluestarone Feb 2018 #2
NOT EVEN CLOSE! N/T Zoonart Feb 2018 #26
There is bad/incompetent and there is bad/criminally culpable. lpbk2713 Feb 2018 #3
I have had that question too. BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #4
Well, I'll say this for James Buchanan . . . hatrack Feb 2018 #5
This 71 year old can't name a worse president.... Little Star Feb 2018 #6
I'll go with Harding as the most corrupt-- in both quality and quantity of corruption. LanternWaste Feb 2018 #7
Yes, Harding always springs to mind. LisaM Feb 2018 #9
Corrupt yes, but not a corrupt jerk. Sneederbunk Feb 2018 #11
Not a traitor. Zoonart Feb 2018 #27
Harding was sullied because he was hired the wrong people while Benedict Donald ... uponit7771 Feb 2018 #16
Not in my lifetime and I'm 75. NMot a good enough student of history to know much napi21 Feb 2018 #8
NO. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #10
Not in my lifetime of 70 years. sinkingfeeling Feb 2018 #12
Nixon was so corrupt he stunk on ice. Archae Feb 2018 #13
Never. Never, ever. n/t pnwmom Feb 2018 #14
For this thread Gothmog Feb 2018 #15
Drumpt will top the list when he gets us into war. kairos12 Feb 2018 #17
So it looks like Harding and Buchanan are contenders. Any others? LAS14 Feb 2018 #18
A Few kurtcagle Feb 2018 #19
nope. drumpf is the worst Takket Feb 2018 #20
never. otherwise laws would have been written on how to dispose of him...Immediately spanone Feb 2018 #21
I Never Thought I'd Ever See A President Worse Than W In My Lifetime ChoppinBroccoli Feb 2018 #22
Was there anything especially bad about Hoover except that he had the... LAS14 Feb 2018 #24
I have Jspur Feb 2018 #23
And probably close to Trump incompetence zipplewrath Feb 2018 #28
Yes, Reagan. Compare the # of indictments and convictions. Reagan was just a less crude verision of FSogol Feb 2018 #25

BigmanPigman

(51,585 posts)
4. I have had that question too.
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 07:46 PM
Feb 2018

Sometimes MSNBC asks presidential historians their opinion but they have never come out and said he is the worst ever, just that he is worse than... "so and so", or the worst since ... "fill in a date".

hatrack

(59,584 posts)
5. Well, I'll say this for James Buchanan . . .
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 07:47 PM
Feb 2018

At least when he was busily sending rifles and ammunition to forts and arsenals in states on the verge of seceding from the Union, he was supplying Americans the means to try and destroy the United States, as opposed to Russians.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
6. This 71 year old can't name a worse president....
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 07:53 PM
Feb 2018

In fact I would go so far as to say that I can't think of one who was this ignorant and this unscrupulous.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
7. I'll go with Harding as the most corrupt-- in both quality and quantity of corruption.
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 07:54 PM
Feb 2018

I'll go with Harding as the most corrupt-- in both quality and quantity of corruption. Trump is just an idiot (but I'll give you this... I do think Trump is the most sub-literate, unintelligent person to have ever held the office, a position he will probably hold for many, many years)

Bear in mind, Harding is the guy who had his mistress confined to an early 20th century mental asylum during his campaign simply because he was afraid she'd spill the beans. He gets worse from there.

'The Ohio Gang: The World of Warren G. Harding by Charlie Mee' is a great primer and a fun weekend read.

LisaM

(27,803 posts)
9. Yes, Harding always springs to mind.
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 07:55 PM
Feb 2018

Unfortunately, if no one studies the Teapot Dome scandal, the chances of things like that happening again zoom up into stratospheric range.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
16. Harding was sullied because he was hired the wrong people while Benedict Donald ...
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 08:40 PM
Feb 2018

... can be impeached for the emoluments violations clause to this day according to the constitution.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
8. Not in my lifetime and I'm 75. NMot a good enough student of history to know much
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 07:55 PM
Feb 2018

about Presidents prior to FDR.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
10. NO.
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 07:56 PM
Feb 2018

Trump is the first president to go into office with bad intentions. That's my take and I'm sticking to it.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
18. So it looks like Harding and Buchanan are contenders. Any others?
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 11:09 PM
Feb 2018

Thanks to all. Very interesting and educational.

kurtcagle

(1,602 posts)
19. A Few
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 11:20 PM
Feb 2018

Andrew Johnson did everything he could to discourage change in the South after Lincoln's death, and was one vote shy of being impeached. Andrew Jackson was incredibly racist. Tyler was hated by his own party. There have been a number of good presidents, but while I think Trump may very well be among the five worst, the competition at the bottom is pretty fierce too.

Takket

(21,563 posts)
20. nope. drumpf is the worst
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 11:24 PM
Feb 2018

nixon was awful but not even he would ever go so far as to sell out his country for a foreign power.

spanone

(135,828 posts)
21. never. otherwise laws would have been written on how to dispose of him...Immediately
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 11:37 PM
Feb 2018

surely not in my lifetime....born during truman presidency

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
22. I Never Thought I'd Ever See A President Worse Than W In My Lifetime
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 12:27 AM
Feb 2018

But then Trump came along. He makes W look downright Statesmanlike.

By the way, I can't believe nobody has mentioned Herbert Hoover yet.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
24. Was there anything especially bad about Hoover except that he had the...
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 09:45 AM
Feb 2018

...bad luck to preside over the depression?

Jspur

(578 posts)
23. I have
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 02:43 AM
Feb 2018

heard Andrew Jackson was a terrible rotten human being. I have read that he was openly racist and supported the ethnic cleansing of Native Americans. He was also a strong supporter of slavery. He even killed a man once in a duel. According to historians he was known to be a verbally abusive person. Ironically Trump claims to be a huge fan of Jackson.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
28. And probably close to Trump incompetence
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 10:57 AM
Feb 2018

That's really the hard part about Trump. He is incompetent in just about every way imaginable. Jackson probably comes that close because he didn't really seem to understand the consequences of much of what he did. But at least in terms of combat, in his day, he was fairly competent at that. With Trump, I'd challenge anyone to explain what he is good at AT ALL? Really. I mean, the guy apparently can't play golf and cheats his way around. He's been married 3 times. Innumerable bankruptcies. He's managed to fritter away his fathers initial gift to the point where he's lucky he still has money at all.

FSogol

(45,481 posts)
25. Yes, Reagan. Compare the # of indictments and convictions. Reagan was just a less crude verision of
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 09:50 AM
Feb 2018

Trumpy.

Filled the executive office with corrupt profiteers? Check.
Made deals with our countries enemies? Check.
Racist? Check.
Removed important regulations? Check.
Increased national debt? Check.
Talked complete nonsense? Check.

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