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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJoe Scarborough needs to shut his fucking mouth.
Everyday he says the Democratic party doesn't have a message. Really ???
Maybe you are too ignorant to hear, or understand it.
You had the nerve to say that the Democratic party isn't too smart.
What a fucking joke !!!!!!!
The Republican party consist of fucking insane climate denying, religious zealots, racists, misogynists,
gun loving, union hating, minimum wage hating, health care hating idiots.
Fuck off Joe !!!!!!!!
CurtEastPoint
(18,622 posts)RKP5637
(67,089 posts)PaulX2
(2,032 posts)And wants corporate overlords running everything.
RKP5637
(67,089 posts)Maraya1969
(22,464 posts)that conservatives have lower IQ's than liberals just in case one of Joe's buddies is snooping around.
https://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html
Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice
There's no gentle way to put it: People who give in to racism and prejudice may simply be dumb, according to a new study that is bound to stir public controversy.
The research finds that children with low intelligence are more likely to hold prejudiced attitudes as adults. These findings point to a vicious cycle, according to lead researcher Gordon Hodson, a psychologist at Brock University in Ontario. Low-intelligence adults tend to gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies, the study found. Those ideologies, in turn, stress hierarchy and resistance to change, attitudes that can contribute to prejudice, Hodson wrote in an email to LiveScience.
"Prejudice is extremely complex and multifaceted, making it critical that any factors contributing to bias are uncovered and understood," he said.
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In the first study, verbal and nonverbal intelligence was measured using tests that asked people to find similarities and differences between words, shapes and symbols. The second study measured cognitive abilities in four ways, including number recall, shape-drawing tasks, defining words and identifying patterns and similarities among words. Average IQ is set at 100.
Social conservatives were defined as people who agreed with a laundry list of statements such as "Family life suffers if mum is working full-time," and "Schools should teach children to obey authority." Attitudes toward other races were captured by measuring agreement with statements such as "I wouldn't mind working with people from other races." (These questions measured overt prejudiced attitudes, but most people, no matter how egalitarian, do hold unconscious racial biases; Hodson's work can't speak to this "underground" racism.)
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https://www.npr.org/2016/04/30/475794063/why-are-highly-educated-americans-getting-more-liberal
Why Are Highly Educated Americans Getting More Liberal?
It's a well-worn (if not-entirely-agreed-upon) idea that college makes people more liberal. But a new report adds a twist to this: the most educated Americans have grown increasingly liberal over the last couple of decades.
A report from the Pew Research Center finds a wide partisan gap between highly educated and non-highly-educated Americans. Not only that, but the share of college grads and post-graduates who are "consistently liberal" (based on their answers to a series of policy questions) has grown sharply in the last 20 years.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)No one should ever be surprised that he routinely badmouths Democrats. That's what his show does. Some people bring his lying, undermining, Republican trash talk here, though, and that is what we should call out.
And, agree, he is a supposedly moderate conservative who way too late left the Republican Party, but nevertheless he is clearly willing to turn the nation over to the devils.
Cary
(11,746 posts)dalton99a
(81,406 posts)Plus he gained his media stardom by kissing Trump's ass and raising his profile on the political radar
brooklynite
(94,384 posts)Not what you THINK the message is, but the message that's clearly being articulated by candidates and leadership.
Blue_Adept
(6,393 posts)I still ascribe to the whole politics is local thing so I'm not big on overall party themes anyway. Look at how Republicans are trying to use the tax cut as their big piece for candidates to run on and it's actually going badly for them as people are polling that they're getting breadcrumbs from it.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)saving the environment is smarter than destroying it...we probably dont need more guns than people especially rapid fire guns of war...
I could go on.
The message isnt the problem, the problem is people keep saying we dont have a message.
brooklynite
(94,384 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)are supposed to know this.
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)propaganda is.
ismnotwasm
(41,968 posts)Since you are involved in politics, and I think you are from my state, are you implying Democrats do not have a message? Personally I think Democrats are in crisis mode, trying to contain damage and right wrongs. The overwhelming message is standing up for human rights, providing a living wage, and pushing an end to bigotry.
I agree that fuck Trump is not a message for a party, but its part of the fluidity of politics that it is, indeed part of messaging right now
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,351 posts)Rust belters for, everyone else against?
Sens. Brown and Casey think it's a great idea. Would-be Speaker Tim Ryan as well. Did they fail to read the playbook for winning the states that gave Trump a 74 EV win in 2016 or is there no playbook?
mountain grammy
(26,599 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)Renew Deal
(81,847 posts)Trump is insane does not count
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Any message appears to be delivered by pundits, political consultants, former officeholders and media personalities, rather than by major elective officeholders.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,429 posts)I guess it's because I listen when a Democratic Party leader makes a statement.
Your comment does, however, have a crumb of truth in that the corporate mainstream media highlights the action and headlines it. And the Democratic Party messages nearly always take a back seat to the more sensational and alarming news coming from the WH and the GOP. So the "Democratic message" is always taking second billing. It's not the message, but it's the media that conveys (or not) the message.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)have an AGENDA, but I cant say more than that.
Renew Deal
(81,847 posts)Most importantly, please tell me what the message is. Some examples of a message:
"Hope and Change"
"We care"
""the richest one-half of 1 percent" earning as much as the bottom 27 percent"
To say that people should ignore messaging in the 2018 campaign also reeks of an agenda. One meant to hurt the Democratic cause.
Blue_Adept
(6,393 posts)Your mysterious AGENDA and all that.
Very frustrating because I spend half the time around here feeling like I'm going to be called out as a Russian troll or something.
Renew Deal
(81,847 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Renew Deal
(81,847 posts)Squinch
(50,922 posts)anyone hears it. There is no good pushback against the assholes like Scarborough who say we have NO message.
I think we have a great message, but we suck at messaging.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Republicans spit out stupid slogans that can be condensed into a few words. But it's much more difficult to talk about real issues and real solutions in 4 words or less. And when we try to do it, the media gets bored after the 5th word, moves on to something else and then accuses us of not having a message.
Squinch
(50,922 posts)really complicated concepts to a public that was much less savvy about politics and economics than we are today.
If we want the truth to be supported by our country, we have no choice but to find a way to communicate it so that most people take it in.
We can't just say, "Nope. We're Democrats and because we speak the truth, we can't do messaging."
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)But FDR existed in a different time when pretty much most of the country stopped and listened when the president spoke.
Doris Kearns Goodwin describes very well how FDR communicated, especially during World War II:
"In February 1942, when things were so low after Pearl Harbor, he made his famous radio address called the map speech, where he told everyone to get a map and place it in front of them and he would go over the battles. He was so effective that thousands of telegrams came into the White House, saying, You have to go on the radio every day in order to sustain morale. But he said, if speeches ever become routine, they will lose their effectiveness. He knew exactly when to time those. He only gave 35 fireside chats in his 12 years as president."
Times are very different now and FDR's skill and approach could never work now - especially when half of the population will refuse to even listen to Democratic leaders, just because they are Democrats - and anything they say is immediately analyzed, parsed and picked apart from stem to stern.
FYI, I never said that Democrats "can't do messaging." My point was that it is much more difficult now and it's not fair to compare Democratic messaging to that of the Republicans, since it's easy to do messaging if you have no concern about either the truth or consistency. It can certainly be done, but it's not as simple as coming up with a slogan a la Republicans, as some people seem to think.
BannonsLiver
(16,313 posts)The message is easier to recognize when one isn't obtuse, willfully or otherwise.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I really want to know.
It's smart to listen when someone says they don't hear a message, because that means that the message, if there is one, isn't getting out there.
I've posted about this before. The Repubs have a system to get out their message. It's usually cohesive, and they "send out the dogs" to spread the same message across the airwaves and in the media. The Dems aren't that organized and not that cohesive in its messaging. It seems to be fractured. (This is partly the way of Democrats. Like Will Rogers said, "I don't belong to an organized political party. I'm a Democrat."
Adam Schiff is prominent. He addresses the intel issues. So he doesn't have a "party message." There are a couple of others like that.
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Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)No doubt, the message can be difficult to locate if doing so invalidates a bias.
Though replacing the bias with objectivity allows us to realize how simple and easy it is in fact, to find. But I get it... unless it fits on a bumper sticker, it may be too nuanced for those biased minds.
Renew Deal
(81,847 posts)Unless it fits on a bumper sticker, it's not a message.
Grab any 100 people. Ask them what the message was Bernie, Hillary, and Trump in 2016. I bet at least 50% will give you an answer for Bernie. Hillary will probably be a little less. And Trump will be over 75%.
imanamerican63
(13,750 posts)He is playing to his TV audience! Just like Trump, he has to keep his rating up! If you don't watch he'll go away! I listen sometimes, but he starts his rants or bullies the others, I change channels! He say he is independent, but the republican shine brightly when he wants it too!
onlyadream
(2,165 posts)They dont hold a candle to the other MSNBC personalities.
They obviously try to use passive aggressive methods to make both parties, and Trump, do what they want, probably to no avail. It is fun watching them freak out tho.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)Their guests are the only thing that make their show even remotely watchable. Then Joe starts making everything all about himself, and I am reminded of how much he has in common with his former "friend".
Botany
(70,449 posts)Joe S. = bush v Gore
bush v Gore = Roberts and Alito on the SCOTUS
SCOTUS = Citizens United and Rolling back the Voting rights act
Citizens United* and the roll back of the voting rights act = Trump and the GOP in power
* because of C.U. Ohio was overwhelmed w/dark $$$$$ in 2016 it was brutal
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Was the leader of the pack in interviewing Monica.
He quit shortly afterward to spend time wupith his family. His first wife divorced him.
Joe and Mika slobbered all over Trump until he threatened to expose them. Then they turned on him. I do not believe a word that comes out of Joes mouth. Or Mika.
7962
(11,841 posts)bitterross
(4,066 posts)I really have to disagree with you on this one. Joe is one of the Republicans who keep calling out 45 for what he is and makes fun of him constantly.
I also think the criticism that the our party doesn't have a coherent message is valid. If you think of 45 and the GOP you think of idiots in MAGA hats. While that is something we make fun of it's certainly working for them.
RestoreAmerica2020
(3,434 posts)...said in an interview regarding last year's Womens' March, that while critics pointed out that it was total chaos, groups protesting this and that, no clear messaging, something that we hear often from republikkklans politicians and pundits ...yet Lakoff pointed out ..that there was one resounding message ...and that was that democrats genuinely "CARE!. " We care about women's rights, civil rights, black lives matter, immigrant rights, gun safety, environmental rights, student loan debt, child care, family leave to care for aging parents about the sick, poor, disabled ...we give a damn about every goddamthing... simply put "we care." And, we have been the leaders in establishing policies that support people, that improve the lives of all Americans.
The message repubs have ..."rich white men only matter" this past year's policies reflect their hypocracy that they are party of family values, yet they elected and support a sexual predator, racist nazikkk supporter; their message of being fiscally responsible has always been a ruse adding 1trillion to our debt last year to give the 1% wealthiest Americans a tax cut then lying to the American people that we will all benefit; all the while they stand in complicity as trumpf blatantly ignores the law to impose sanctions on Russia. The republikkklan party is a party of racist, bigoted misogynistic liars.
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betsuni
(25,380 posts)"What's missing from the list, or pushed way to the bottom -- men, white people, working people ... . ... White people? and Men? Fuck them."
You're the one who made a top ten list as if there were such a thing.
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)They let our dear friend call in every day to the show.
bitterross
(4,066 posts)The point NOW is that we don't have the same sort of simple messaging they do. And it is a problem.
We better start recognizing this instead of being all superior and continuing to fight the last election again.
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Most of my life. It is about working for the public good. To make this country better,help the citizens have a better life.
I really do not need a pundit like Joe Scarborough to tell me. I listen to what they say,watch CSpan a lot. On the floor you do not get pundit filters telling you what they say.
But to ignore their pasts when they were part of the problems is not wise either.. we need to move on, but a wise man does not forget the past at their own peril.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)He did not vote for Trump, and even left the Republican Party.
Not that who he supported is relevant to the question of what the Dem message is.
If he is wondering what it is, you can bet your boopy that a lot of others are, too. And that is a message that we should hear.
DownriverDem
(6,226 posts)Pro environment, pro national health care for all, pro women's rights, pro Dreamers, pro infrastructure repair, pro jobs, pro union etc. The Dems haven't changed. It was the country for years who leaned right. Now that younger folks have moved through the pipeline and they lean left we might have a chance.
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)Keep left of centre or loose again
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)A political message is something else, I think.
Schumer came up with "A Better Deal" in 2017, which was roundly rejected by party members.
BSdetect
(8,995 posts)Suffer now you idiot.
You have zero respect from me.
Juliusseizure
(562 posts)What he's really saying it needs to be a simplified unifying message focused on the larger middle class's concerns and not one intent on attracting groups and special interests.
He has lauded Obama's unifying message for that reason. No blue and red states, just purple.
Its just marketing. I hate to appear cynical, but if you want to sell a product to the masses, you have to appeal to the masses. And the parties are brands selling their services. And its no accident Trump's only real talent is sales.
The GOP have a messaging problem now too. Its the corrupt, caucasian anti-minority anti-women party.
DownriverDem
(6,226 posts)The GOP had a lot of money and for quite a while the country leaned right. I watched in horror as folks voted repub for many elections.
Raker13
(10 posts)Still waiting on that message...who's the point man? Crickets.
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)I remember the photos of him trying to suck up to Dump at Mar-a-Loco right after the election
HenryWallace
(332 posts)Absolutely not fan of Scarborough!
However:
-His criticism is that the Democratic Party is unable to articulate a unified message....
-Your response is to point back at the Republicans and point how messed up they are.
"Look how bad they are.." is not an articulate vision! This guy is scum; don't know why so many of you watch him but, you are proving his point!
DownriverDem
(6,226 posts)How come so many folks say they don't know the message?
Blue_Adept
(6,393 posts)Renew Deal
(81,847 posts)How is it that so many people know it, but no one can recite it?
druidity33
(6,445 posts)you're looking for a slogan. They aren't the same.
Renew Deal
(81,847 posts)HenryWallace
(332 posts)There is a struggle going on within the Party right now for direction. Scarborough hit a nerve; articulation of direction is seen as a weakness of the one of these camps.
The less detailed and explicit the articulation, the greater the likelihood that change will, in fact, not occur.
Might I propose a vision:
Work for the material economic benefit of the least powerful in society.
Recommit to governments expanding and active role in insuring environmental, economic, and social justice.
Actively pursue peace; explicitly oppose this Countrys military expansion (particularly in the Middle East over the past 16 years).
DownriverDem
(6,226 posts)I often see folks comment how the Dems don't have a message. It drives me crazy. I always ask if they told the Dems. The Dems fight for everything I care about and believe in. I can't be the only one who has got their message for years.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)These people dont want a message - they want a slogan. But intelligent, complex policies dont fit neatly into slogans,, which are geared for monolithic groups of people who are easily led.
Bigredhunk
(1,348 posts)I don't get why pundits harp on this. I suppose Dems don't have a simple, concise message. Neither does the other side. "We hate the black guy" was their driving force. Lying about stuff and whipping morons up into a frienzy about those lies was their driving force.
I don't think it's too hard to state for what Dems stand:
1) Improve access to healthcare
2) Take action on guns
3) Increase the minimum wage
4) Get $$ out of politics (and/or overturn Citizens United)
5) Protect the environment
6) Allow women to make their own healthcare choices (and/or protect Roe)
7) Stand with minorities - all races, sexual orientations - give them a voice, protect them from harrassment
8) Regulate financial institutions so the whole system doesn't come crashing down again
9) Give tax relief to working families, the rich pay a little more
10) Increase opportunity for everyone to have access to a higher eduction
........and so on
That's 10 in no particular order and I didn't have to break a sweat. Just because it's not some simple, dumb shit like "drill baby drill" doesn't mean it's hard to identify.
HenryWallace
(332 posts)Vagueness promotes the common notion that nothing will get done. Also, with specifics you get to find out who are really "on board."
1. Everyone already has access, 40% of the populace still cant afford. Guarantee as a right like other Countries.
2. Reinstitute the assault rifle ban.
3. Fight for 15 (Livable wages reduces need for welfare).
4. Where is our Partys proforma Constitutional Amendment?
5. Commit to 100% renewable by 2050.
6. Well said!
7. Recommit to governments expanding and active role in insuring economic, and social justice.
8. See above
9. Acknowledge the social benefits of the progressive income tax structure and actively work for its reinstatement.
10. Again, everyone has access
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Thanks! .... This is the most fun I have had at DU in a long time.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)dajoki
(10,678 posts)saying shit like that, and also that Hillary was a bad candidate. She was a great candidate and the Democratic message is very clear, people need to start paying attention,quickly!
dawg
(10,621 posts)Trump has MAGA - but that isn't a message, it's a meaningless catch phrase.
The message of the Democratic Party is, and has been for years, that we should use the power of government to make the lives of ordinary citizens better. The Republicans want to, instead, minimize government and maximize the power of private wealth.
It's a clear choice.
sprinkleeninow
(20,218 posts)Mb work it into something.
"Democrats Care! A Clear Choice!"
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Republicans could use the same slogan. They care, too - just about different things.
The slogan doesnt tell anyone what Dems stand for.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)of what comes out of Trump's mouth. he was your friend for 10 years. You knew he was a misogynist racist hateful asshole. I bet when he made racist and sexist jokes in their company they laughed.
PaulX2
(2,032 posts)Anyone with half a brain could see Trump is a piece of poop.
What took you so long Joe?
PaulX2
(2,032 posts)Vote for non-psychopaths.
That's a pretty good message.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)The Democratic Party does have message issues and they kind of suck at strategy.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Partly it's because that's the way of Democrats. More loosy goosey. But I've noticed the lack of "sending out the dogs," a pack of Dems to spread similar messaging across the media, to counter the Repubs. That's what the Repubs do. They're a more organized party, and always have been.
Still, we can do better. We have several who go into the media to speak about subjects, but it's particular to certain issues within their expertise.
I would think there should be several points the Democrats want to drive home strongly, and repetitively, to get into people's brains. That should be done by members of the Senate or House, preferably some long termers/leaders.
The Dems are out there. But not with a cohesive overall message, that I can tell.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,615 posts)Don't take him so seriously.
Bleacher Creature
(11,254 posts)Why would anyone expect him to speak favorably about the Democratic Party???
dalton99a
(81,406 posts)MGKrebs
(8,138 posts)Does the RNC have a message? Did they have one when Obama was President? The only one I can think of was "repeal Obamacare".
Expecting the DNC to have a bumper sticker message in early 2018 may be a lot to expect.
My DNC message is "President Pelosi 2018!"
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It was pretty much rejected, as it should be. It's so bland and doesn't mean anything. They need some of the newer guys to come up with a cohesive, meaningful, strong message.
But there's so much bad going on that it would be hard to address all of that with one message. But hitting Trump with being unfit for office, or "time for a respected and respectful leader" in the W.H. should be included in the message at some point. Schumer and Pelosi avoid such references, maybe because they have to work with Trump on big issues.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Im a little tired of the nitpicking from the peanut gallery.
Maybe the Democratics, in our diversity and complexity, dont lend ourselves to bumper sticker messaging. Perhaps WE as in individuals should take on some responsibility. Instead of demanding that the Senate Minority Leader come up with the perfect one-size-fits-all message that both captures complex policies and gives us all the warm fuzzies, perhaps we who think were so knowledgeable should be out in our communities explaining to our neighbors and friends why were Democrats and what the Democratic Party will do for them.
Thats how it used to be done before we started depending on the mass media to give us our messages. Now we take the lazy approach, demanding that our national leaders give us our marching orders and, if theyre not perfect in every way, we it back and blame them. NOT GOOD ENOUGH, CHUCK AND NANCY. GO DO BETTER.
Dammit, WE need to do better. Get our asses off our phones and out of our houses and go TALK TO SOMEBODY! THATs how you message!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)You have to reach people who are involved in their own lives & don't follow news that much. That's just a fact. You can hate it all you like, but that's how it is.
Look at how Repubs messaged the tax cut bill. It was largely successful, even tho they were pushing lies. They blanketed the media to sell the same message. And people got that message.
All the Dems have to be on the same message and use the same talking points. Same main message.
The people who are likely to be swayed don't run in liberal circles...so it won't help to "talk to people." People don't want to be "talked to" by their neighbors about politics. Do you want your conservative neighbor coming over to "talk to you" about why you should vote Republican?
It's not just a bumper sticker. It's the reason that people might vote Democratic. It should help that goal. But people have to hear it, for that goal to be accomplished.
FYI: Wouldn't help for me to talk to my neighbors. They're dark red bubbas. They can't be talked to.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)doesnt work?
And how do you know that people dont want to be talked to about politics? If someone isnt receptive to their friends and neighbors, why do you think theyll listen to Washington-based politicians?
In fact, your claim isnt true. People are much more receptive to the influence of their friends and peers. Thats one of the reasons the Russian online trolling was so effective - they got people to share information with their friends, which had much more credibility and impact.
If we want to change things, WE have to get in the arena and do some of the work. But if we insist on sitting on our butts, demanding that someone else convince the guy next door or up the street or across town, dont bitch and moan that theyre not doing it the way YOU would do it. If you think you know how it should be done, go out and do it.
Correction: you CAN bitch and moan to your hearts content. But dont expect me to sympathize with you.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Paladin
(28,243 posts)Quite listening to their revisionist bullshit, and start impacting their ratings in a negative way. Trust me, you'll be glad you did.
Blue_Adept
(6,393 posts)And there are a number of other very good guests on the show.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Time for some in-depth discussion on some things. They show clips of recent happenings.
I don't care what Mika has to say, esp since she married Joe (or got engaged). She's turned into milktoast. But she is a Democrat, at least, with some good creds in that dept. (her father).
Joe and Mika actually have so much vacation time that they are off the show more than they are on it.
Paladin
(28,243 posts)They helped put trump in office.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)So you just have a personal dislike of them. That's fine. I don't. I like Andrea Mitchell, too.
The MJ show spends the whole 1 1/2 hours every morning skewering Trump and the Repubs. There is no other show that does that. And the interesting part is that Scarborough until recently was one of them, so he has a unique perspective and knows what is bizarre even for Repubs. Anyway, I like the show.
Blue_Adept
(6,393 posts)I think there's some real genuine concern there and Joe is still very much a 90's Republican, which means I don't care for his stances on most everything. But the things he's doing feels very out of place within the context of all other conservative broadcast media and it's a fascinating window to watch as he's trying to reach those that he worked with, liked, and has supported over the years.
He's still an ass of an unimaginable degree, but that just makes watching what's going on all the more interesting.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Scarborough is a Jeb Bush kinda guy (that's who he voted for in the primary). They all hate what Trump has done to their party. Plus they recognize Trump as being unfit for office and stupid.
Blue_Adept
(6,393 posts)useful. You gotta build a wide bloc in order to deal with the chaos that's engulfing us. You really can't afford to shun allies less you become as extreme as those you're fighting.
Thrill
(19,178 posts)Some of this stuff going on with Kushner would be dominating the news if it was under a Democratic President. Republicans would be pounding it on every station with the same talking points
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Why aren't the Dems (besides good ol' Adam Schiff, who must be very tired!) hitting this home every day?
The strong comments are coming from Schiff, that guy running - Stoyer? (who doesn't even speak for the Party), and a couple of others who occasionally hit the airwaves. But the media should be blanketed with Dems hitting home the corruption or the chaos or the disrespectful behavior of Trump, etc. When there's a vacuum, others will fill it.
Now would be a good time. The Repubs are fairly quiet, because they realize the WH is in trouble...and they don't want to be asked about Kushner, corruption, and all the rest of the mess.
The Repubs hit the airwaves to sell the tax cut bill. It's a huge giveaway to the wealthiest, but they were successful at selling it to the masses as "Hey, a tax cut for everyone! It's raining money!" When, in fact, the small cuts for those at the bottom are set to gradually disappear over years, while the large cuts at the top are set to gradually INCREASE over years. Where were the Dems pointing that out? I didn't see them.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)SamKnause
(13,088 posts)They are the enemy that is destroying this country from within.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)"A Better Deal" is the slogan that Schumer came up with last year. It pretty much died.
A group of Dems should be out there weekly hammering home ....the tax cuts for the rich, the chaos in the WH, scandal after scandal, the disrespectful behavor of Trump, the closing of all the coal plants when Trump promised the opposite - saying it would be easy to fix, the selling of public lands, and all the rest. The gradual destruction of the soul of the country by the Repubs. Language should be strong & sharp. No namby pamby stuff.
Some go out and address particular issues. Schiff addresses intel because he's on the intel committee. Every now and then Booker pops his head up. Or someone else. But no Democratic Party leaders messaging about the horror going on right now.
People need to hear this repeatedly, or they won't get it, it won't gel as a cohesive picture of what's going on. Like the Repubs messaged about the tax cut bill. They were out in gangs, selling it hard, and it seems to have worked. People think everyone gets a great tax cut! But in reality, the tax cut for the lower incomes is set to disappear over time, while the larger tax cuts for the wealthy, are designed to get larger. I bet few people know that.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)But it was completely ignored by the media. The problem isn't a lack of message - the problem is that the mainstream political press has the attention span of a 4-year-old on a sugar high and have no interest in actually understanding or covering substantive matters.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)They need some of the newer ones to come up with something stronger and more meaningful.
If one side's messaging gets out to people but the other side's message is unknown, the problem isn't the media. Trying to blame others won't get the message out. People need a strong, clear, consistent, and frequent message to get it. They're busy. They watch the news a bit, read some online stuff, but are not political junkies. They hear snippets here and there, watch a program here and there. Dems need to be on those programs so they get heard loud and clear.
But this is the Democratic Party. Like Will Rogers said, "I don't belong to an organized political party. I'm a Democrat." Maybe that's part of the charm.
sprinkleeninow
(20,218 posts)But what the hey. Here goes.
'A Better Deal'. When I became aware of it, almost sounds like if you'd play a vinyl record on the wrong speed-slow, remember how that sounded? That how I hear this slogan if it was actually put into use.
Glamrock
(11,787 posts)And we all need to boycott that shit. Let his ratings plummet so we can have someone like Joy on.
However, maybe I'm to ignorant to hear or understand, but what specifically is the message? I'm engaged. I'm not ignorant of what the party stands for. Womens rights, gay rights, DACA, strengthening O'care, etc. I get what they stand for. But, what is the message? The unified, every member of Congress stating, message?
I ain't throwing shade your way Sam. And I fucking hate morning Joe. But, he does have a point. We here at DU forget that we are in the top percentile of engaged voters. Most people aren't as engaged as we are. It makes me fucking sick. But the vast majority need bumper sticker slogans they can understand and get behind. Dig? And the party ain't doing it. They really, seriously, need to spend some serious money on messaging and marketing. Fight fire with fire.
summer_in_TX
(2,710 posts)At least it didn't seem to be one that lent itself to a lot of repetition.
And I'm with those who would really like to know a well-articulated strong message, because I get questioned about our message too. I'm tired of getting the question and feel like I don't have a good phrase to answer with. My casting about and hemming and hawing before giving my own interpretation of what Dems stand for is less than effective.
I've been hearing the same comment for the last 20 years or more about not knowing what Dems stand for.
Republicans have a short-hand message that they have effectively used and reused since the Reagan era so everyone understands what they stand for: "No new taxes," "Free markets," and "Less government."
Aren't there some basics Dems from red-to-purple areas and those from the bluest areas have in common? They can frame them different ways, but it sure seems to me that having agreement on a basic frame would be helpful.
How about "Common good" as one? Candidates in different parts of the country may focus on different aspects of it. It includes public education, healthcare for all, a social safety net, not leaving anyone out of the benefits of our society, and more.
Can we boil our principles down into a few phrases that are at the root of our beliefs?
ecstatic
(32,653 posts)His ads are getting more and more pointed. It's the best messaging I've seen or heard so far. Sorry, the truth hurts, and I'm not going to pretend that I'm hearing a rebuttal from elected democrats, because I'm not. Joe is right, unfortunately.
PatrickforO
(14,559 posts)the Democrats need to focus on the 2016 platform.
Take a world leadership position mitigating global warming.
Reinstate environmental, financial, safety and other regulations.
Build a public school system K-20 that is the envy of the world.
Medicare for all Americans.
Expanded Social Security.
Ending Citizens United.
Dream Act.
Net neutrality.
National popular vote.
Ending gerrymandering (we don't need it).
Ending voter suppression in southern and mid-western states.
Better gun safety rules.
Reductions in military spending.
National Popular Vote.
AND
We need to educate people about taxes. Because when the fecal material hits the fan blades with this Russia investigation, and it is about to, the people who are left MUST at the very least reverse the Trump tax cuts, and if we're going to have the above, we will have to raise taxes substantially. Here's the thing for me: I pay 18.9% of my gross for health care and it is shitty, rationed healthcare with financially crippling copays. If we raise the hell out of taxes, but everyone has Medicare and their kids free college, we will have done a great thing.
We need to take back the Republic, Sam. The American Empire needs to go, and the Republic be reborn. A government of, by and for the people - that's what most of the founders wanted, and certainly what many of my ancestors fought for.
That is the message - it isn't enough to say, "Uh...Supreme Court!" Or, "Uh...Trump!" Because that didn't work. And, honestly, on the ground in my own state, we had a right winger, and extreme guy, take away a US Senate seat from a Democrat who should have won handily. Unfortunately, he ran such a wet noodle campaign that listening to him was like pushing your face through mush. I mean, he lost miserably because no one really knew WHAT he stood for. We cannot have that.
And, we need to stick together. I'm voting a straight Dem ticket - I think quite a few people are, but then, after our people are in, we need to have them on speed dial and hold them accountable for doing what they said the would do.
I didn't mean to lecture - hopefully you didn't take it like that. But I'm sick of wet noodle campaigns.
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Lay it out in those terms. You will notice all those winning the early elections are coming out with a positive message.
Tim Ryan of Ohio is traveling all over with this same message. He is connecting small businesses in Northern Ohio with the big companies so they can expand.
Dayton Mayor has brought back a city that was devestated with the loss of 5 GM plants.rebuilding the city, bringing in new business. Those locals are the ones rebuilding the Country.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,488 posts)This site is a bit dated but still up from 2016 that has a good bullet list format on our policies:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Democratic_Party.htm
Of course, I'm sure you know about the official party platform: https://www.democrats.org/party-platform
I think a series of brief network TV ads for this very purpose would be great, and we have to learn to better use the hot buttons and emotional triggers like the Repugs have capitalized on for years.
During my youth, the Democratic Party was always the party of working people and we need to reclaim that post that's been stolen from us in the minds of far too many Americans.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Whatever gets people to watch his show, increase ratings, gain more advertising revenue.
That's why he is wall to wall Trump - it's been a boon for the show.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)and he was right. At this time he is an asset. The people who voted for trump only respond to
emotion so we hammer them with logic. It's fucking stupid
Mike Nelson
(9,944 posts)...refuse to acknowledge Hillary's message - "Stronger Together" along with the media-happy Trumpsters. But it still was the most popular message, according the actual voters.
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Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,546 posts)I find he is correct in a way, on this matter. The Democratic Party needs to have a higher profile spokesperson, who is not an elected official, publicizing things Dems want, have accomplished or are opposed to. I've not seen anyone anywhere do that in a long time............