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SamKnause

(13,088 posts)
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 10:06 AM Mar 2018

Joe Scarborough needs to shut his fucking mouth.

Everyday he says the Democratic party doesn't have a message. Really ???

Maybe you are too ignorant to hear, or understand it.

You had the nerve to say that the Democratic party isn't too smart.

What a fucking joke !!!!!!!

The Republican party consist of fucking insane climate denying, religious zealots, racists, misogynists,

gun loving, union hating, minimum wage hating, health care hating idiots.

Fuck off Joe !!!!!!!!

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Joe Scarborough needs to shut his fucking mouth. (Original Post) SamKnause Mar 2018 OP
Amen. That's their platform, ideology, agenda, reason for being... zilch except that stuff. CurtEastPoint Mar 2018 #1
Joe's dense! And poses like a damn fool with his beady eyed stares. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2018 #2
Joe Is A Conservative Thus He Opposes Everything Good About America PaulX2 Mar 2018 #38
And he's disgusting too! And definitely helped elect tRump and his bunch of losers. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2018 #55
Hate to cut in line but here is a link to one of the studies that prove empirically Maraya1969 Mar 2018 #68
Yes. Joe is a conservative and ALWAYS works to elect cons. Hortensis Mar 2018 #81
No matter how much he hates #fakepresident we must remember he is not a friend Cary Mar 2018 #3
+1. MJ is no friend of Democrats dalton99a Mar 2018 #22
Describe what the message is... brooklynite Mar 2018 #4
And no matter what it is, it's getting drowned out in the latest Trump outrage anyway Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #5
Same as it has been for decades. Government done right is good for all of us Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #29
Point to someone hightlighting those point at the present time. brooklynite Mar 2018 #56
All of them, give them a camera and microphone. You are the big city party supporter, you Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #58
Thank you! True Blue American Mar 2018 #62
My response shouldnt be necessary HERE of all places, but that is how deep the Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #66
Im curious ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #51
You didn't answer the question, though. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #71
What's our message on tariffs? BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #6
Good point. Reality check. mountain grammy Mar 2018 #23
No playbook? Trump didnt win anywhere, that is all bullshit. Election stolen. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #31
Thats fine. What is the Democrats message? Renew Deal Mar 2018 #7
And who are the spokespeople delivering the message? FarCenter Mar 2018 #10
I've heard the Democratic "message" over and over. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2018 #15
Ignore those who say there is no message or they dont know what it is, because they Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #33
Please say more Renew Deal Mar 2018 #40
Don't you love the implied criticism of what you may be? Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #42
I get the feeling from some responses that the message is "we have a message" Renew Deal Mar 2018 #47
Those are slogans, not messages EffieBlack Mar 2018 #86
Thats fine. So whats the Democrats message for 2018? Renew Deal Mar 2018 #90
I have no agenda. I think the Democrats have a wonderful message. I just don't think Squinch Mar 2018 #70
We don't suck at messaging. It's just that it's difficult to communicate the truth in a soundbyte EffieBlack Mar 2018 #87
You know who was a great messager? FDR is a great example. He communicated Squinch Mar 2018 #89
Yes, FDR was great at messaging. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #91
+1 BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #39
What is it? The message? Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #74
Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #17
Bash Bash Bash Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #32
No doubt, the message can be difficult to locate if doing so invalidates a bias. LanternWaste Mar 2018 #36
Correct Renew Deal Mar 2018 #45
Just ignore him! imanamerican63 Mar 2018 #8
Joe and Mika are of average intelligence onlyadream Mar 2018 #9
Average intelligence at BEST; no wonder they used to be friends of tronald dump. flibbitygiblets Mar 2018 #50
If it wasn't for people like Joe Trump would not now be in the White House Botany Mar 2018 #11
Do not forget Joe True Blue American Mar 2018 #18
Now they just slobber over each other. nt 7962 Mar 2018 #79
He has a valid criticism. They have MAGA and White Nationalism. What's ours? bitterross Mar 2018 #12
Our platform is simply "we f!#!$:@g care." Sorry, didnt mean to rude! George Lakoff RestoreAmerica2020 Mar 2018 #14
Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #97
What are you talking about? betsuni Mar 2018 #101
Joe backed Trump 100% before the election True Blue American Mar 2018 #20
That is not the point NOW. Stop re-fighting the last election bitterross Mar 2018 #59
I have known the Democratic message True Blue American Mar 2018 #61
Being untruthful isn't helpful. He did not back Trump beginning in 2016 at all. Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #72
The Dems Have a Message DownriverDem Mar 2018 #35
this floppyboo Mar 2018 #41
That's the platform. Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #73
Joe was too stoopid to see drumph for what he was and helped elect him. BSdetect Mar 2018 #13
He should clarify himself Juliusseizure Mar 2018 #16
Don't forget DownriverDem Mar 2018 #28
still waiting... Raker13 Mar 2018 #19
Whenever Morning Joke criticizes Trump Dopers_Greed Mar 2018 #21
Wow.... And there you go! HenryWallace Mar 2018 #24
I know the Dem Party message DownriverDem Mar 2018 #26
What's the message then? Not the platform, the message? Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #44
What is it? Renew Deal Mar 2018 #48
you're not looking for a message... druidity33 Mar 2018 #63
Fine. So what's the message? Renew Deal Mar 2018 #64
In case you havent noticed HenryWallace Mar 2018 #69
It's not just Joe DownriverDem Mar 2018 #25
Youre not EffieBlack Mar 2018 #107
Ugh Bigredhunk Mar 2018 #27
What a great List!!! HenryWallace Mar 2018 #83
THANK you! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #108
I'm sick of them all... dajoki Mar 2018 #30
Complex solutions to complex problems don't lend themselves to simple "messaging". dawg Mar 2018 #34
You closed with 'clear choice'. I like that. sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #102
Thats a slogan that doesnt tell anyone anything about Dems EffieBlack Mar 2018 #109
Joe and Mika are phony with their fake shock and awe SummerSnow Mar 2018 #37
'Ol Joe Couldn't See Through Trump's Racism Etc. PaulX2 Mar 2018 #46
I Have A Democratic Party Message Stop The Madness PaulX2 Mar 2018 #43
Scarborough's an asshole, but liberalnarb Mar 2018 #49
This. I mentioned this before. Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #75
You know what they say about opinions... The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #52
He started his career as a foot soldier for Newt Gingrich's takeover of Congress. Bleacher Creature Mar 2018 #53
+1 dalton99a Mar 2018 #57
"MAGA" was a Trump message, not RNC. MGKrebs Mar 2018 #54
Schumer actually named it last year: "A Better Deal." Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #78
GET A MESSAGE! Ok heres one. THAT SUCKS! GO TRY AGAIN, EffieBlack Mar 2018 #110
Sorry, but that's how it's done in the modern world. Has been for decades. Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #113
If youre not around anyone who the message might be directed to, how do you know what does and EffieBlack Mar 2018 #117
He will always be Killer Joe to me Angry Dragon Mar 2018 #60
Walk away from the Joe & Mika Review. Paladin Mar 2018 #65
Eh, I like to see what Eugene Robinson has to say Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #67
I like the show. I watch it most weekdays. Good guests. Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #76
I avoid Joe/Mika for the same reason I avoid Andrea Mitchell: Paladin Mar 2018 #111
You didn't watch it, so you don't know. They led the charge AGAINST him. Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #112
Even if he is doing it all for ratings, it's still a fascinating watch Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #114
Scarborough feels how all the "normal" Repubs feel. Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #115
Yup. And while I still consider them to be highly unwelcome, seeing how they're viewing things is Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #116
They arent good at messaging Thrill Mar 2018 #77
+1. Exactly. Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #80
What do you really think about the GOP? guillaumeb Mar 2018 #82
They are the greatest threat this country has ever faced. SamKnause Mar 2018 #100
They believe in one party rule in a multi-party country. eom guillaumeb Mar 2018 #118
They're right. There's not a strong, cohesive msg being blanketed across the media."A Better Deal" Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #84
A Better Deal was actually an excellent message with lots of substance EffieBlack Mar 2018 #88
It was Democrats who rejected "A Better Deal." It was weak and meaningless. Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #95
Lately, stuff I'm posting is getting picked apart. sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #103
I fucking hate Joe. Glamrock Mar 2018 #85
A Better Deal wasn't a very strong name. summer_in_TX Mar 2018 #92
Honestly, the only person cutting through the noise is the Steyer guy ecstatic Mar 2018 #93
Well, I hate to step in the way of righteous indignation, but PatrickforO Mar 2018 #94
Perfect Summation! True Blue American Mar 2018 #96
Patrick, here's a site we can point interested people to... KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2018 #98
He says stuff like that to get reactions like this oberliner Mar 2018 #99
What he said was democrats never learn how to take advantage of republican missteps. njhoneybadger Mar 2018 #104
He and Mika... Mike Nelson Mar 2018 #105
i know...it really bugs me but hes the only thing to watch when i get up at 3 am :( samnsara Mar 2018 #106
While I agree Joe is not a person to look to for accurate information Dyedinthewoolliberal Mar 2018 #119
 

PaulX2

(2,032 posts)
38. Joe Is A Conservative Thus He Opposes Everything Good About America
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:38 PM
Mar 2018

And wants corporate overlords running everything.

Maraya1969

(22,464 posts)
68. Hate to cut in line but here is a link to one of the studies that prove empirically
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 08:25 PM
Mar 2018

that conservatives have lower IQ's than liberals just in case one of Joe's buddies is snooping around.


https://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html

Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice

There's no gentle way to put it: People who give in to racism and prejudice may simply be dumb, according to a new study that is bound to stir public controversy.

The research finds that children with low intelligence are more likely to hold prejudiced attitudes as adults. These findings point to a vicious cycle, according to lead researcher Gordon Hodson, a psychologist at Brock University in Ontario. Low-intelligence adults tend to gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies, the study found. Those ideologies, in turn, stress hierarchy and resistance to change, attitudes that can contribute to prejudice, Hodson wrote in an email to LiveScience.

"Prejudice is extremely complex and multifaceted, making it critical that any factors contributing to bias are uncovered and understood," he said.



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In the first study, verbal and nonverbal intelligence was measured using tests that asked people to find similarities and differences between words, shapes and symbols. The second study measured cognitive abilities in four ways, including number recall, shape-drawing tasks, defining words and identifying patterns and similarities among words. Average IQ is set at 100.

Social conservatives were defined as people who agreed with a laundry list of statements such as "Family life suffers if mum is working full-time," and "Schools should teach children to obey authority." Attitudes toward other races were captured by measuring agreement with statements such as "I wouldn't mind working with people from other races." (These questions measured overt prejudiced attitudes, but most people, no matter how egalitarian, do hold unconscious racial biases; Hodson's work can't speak to this "underground" racism.)


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https://www.npr.org/2016/04/30/475794063/why-are-highly-educated-americans-getting-more-liberal


Why Are Highly Educated Americans Getting More Liberal?

It's a well-worn (if not-entirely-agreed-upon) idea that college makes people more liberal. But a new report adds a twist to this: the most educated Americans have grown increasingly liberal over the last couple of decades.

A report from the Pew Research Center finds a wide partisan gap between highly educated and non-highly-educated Americans. Not only that, but the share of college grads and post-graduates who are "consistently liberal" (based on their answers to a series of policy questions) has grown sharply in the last 20 years.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
81. Yes. Joe is a conservative and ALWAYS works to elect cons.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 09:29 PM
Mar 2018

No one should ever be surprised that he routinely badmouths Democrats. That's what his show does. Some people bring his lying, undermining, Republican trash talk here, though, and that is what we should call out.

And, agree, he is a supposedly moderate conservative who way too late left the Republican Party, but nevertheless he is clearly willing to turn the nation over to the devils.

dalton99a

(81,406 posts)
22. +1. MJ is no friend of Democrats
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:13 PM
Mar 2018

Plus he gained his media stardom by kissing Trump's ass and raising his profile on the political radar

brooklynite

(94,384 posts)
4. Describe what the message is...
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 10:11 AM
Mar 2018

Not what you THINK the message is, but the message that's clearly being articulated by candidates and leadership.

Blue_Adept

(6,393 posts)
5. And no matter what it is, it's getting drowned out in the latest Trump outrage anyway
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 10:14 AM
Mar 2018

I still ascribe to the whole politics is local thing so I'm not big on overall party themes anyway. Look at how Republicans are trying to use the tax cut as their big piece for candidates to run on and it's actually going badly for them as people are polling that they're getting breadcrumbs from it.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
29. Same as it has been for decades. Government done right is good for all of us
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:27 PM
Mar 2018

saving the environment is smarter than destroying it...we probably dont need more guns than people especially rapid fire guns of war...

I could go on.

The message isnt the problem, the problem is people keep saying we dont have a message.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
58. All of them, give them a camera and microphone. You are the big city party supporter, you
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 01:50 PM
Mar 2018

are supposed to know this.

ismnotwasm

(41,968 posts)
51. Im curious
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:56 PM
Mar 2018

Since you are involved in politics, and I think you are from my state, are you implying Democrats do not have a message? Personally I think Democrats are in crisis mode, trying to contain damage and right wrongs. The overwhelming message is standing up for human rights, providing a living wage, and pushing an end to bigotry.

I agree that “fuck Trump” is not a message for a party, but it’s part of the fluidity of politics that it is, indeed part of messaging right now

BeyondGeography

(39,351 posts)
6. What's our message on tariffs?
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 10:16 AM
Mar 2018

Rust belters for, everyone else against?

Sens. Brown and Casey think it's a great idea. Would-be Speaker Tim Ryan as well. Did they fail to read the playbook for winning the states that gave Trump a 74 EV win in 2016 or is there no playbook?

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
10. And who are the spokespeople delivering the message?
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 10:27 AM
Mar 2018

Any message appears to be delivered by pundits, political consultants, former officeholders and media personalities, rather than by major elective officeholders.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
15. I've heard the Democratic "message" over and over.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:00 PM
Mar 2018

I guess it's because I listen when a Democratic Party leader makes a statement.

Your comment does, however, have a crumb of truth in that the corporate mainstream media highlights the action and headlines it. And the Democratic Party messages nearly always take a back seat to the more sensational and alarming news coming from the WH and the GOP. So the "Democratic message" is always taking second billing. It's not the message, but it's the media that conveys (or not) the message.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
33. Ignore those who say there is no message or they dont know what it is, because they
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:29 PM
Mar 2018

have an AGENDA, but I cant say more than that.

Renew Deal

(81,847 posts)
40. Please say more
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:41 PM
Mar 2018

Most importantly, please tell me what the message is. Some examples of a message:

"Hope and Change"
"We care"
""the richest one-half of 1 percent" earning as much as the bottom 27 percent"

To say that people should ignore messaging in the 2018 campaign also reeks of an agenda. One meant to hurt the Democratic cause.

Blue_Adept

(6,393 posts)
42. Don't you love the implied criticism of what you may be?
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:42 PM
Mar 2018

Your mysterious AGENDA and all that.

Very frustrating because I spend half the time around here feeling like I'm going to be called out as a Russian troll or something.

Squinch

(50,922 posts)
70. I have no agenda. I think the Democrats have a wonderful message. I just don't think
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 08:55 PM
Mar 2018

anyone hears it. There is no good pushback against the assholes like Scarborough who say we have NO message.

I think we have a great message, but we suck at messaging.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
87. We don't suck at messaging. It's just that it's difficult to communicate the truth in a soundbyte
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 10:04 PM
Mar 2018

Republicans spit out stupid slogans that can be condensed into a few words. But it's much more difficult to talk about real issues and real solutions in 4 words or less. And when we try to do it, the media gets bored after the 5th word, moves on to something else and then accuses us of not having a message.

Squinch

(50,922 posts)
89. You know who was a great messager? FDR is a great example. He communicated
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 10:08 PM
Mar 2018

really complicated concepts to a public that was much less savvy about politics and economics than we are today.

If we want the truth to be supported by our country, we have no choice but to find a way to communicate it so that most people take it in.

We can't just say, "Nope. We're Democrats and because we speak the truth, we can't do messaging."

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
91. Yes, FDR was great at messaging.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 10:59 PM
Mar 2018

But FDR existed in a different time when pretty much most of the country stopped and listened when the president spoke.

Doris Kearns Goodwin describes very well how FDR communicated, especially during World War II:

"In February 1942, when things were so low after Pearl Harbor, he made his famous radio address called the map speech, where he told everyone to get a map and place it in front of them and he would go over the battles. He was so effective that thousands of telegrams came into the White House, saying, “You have to go on the radio every day in order to sustain morale.” But he said, if speeches ever become routine, they will lose their effectiveness. He knew exactly when to time those. He only gave 35 fireside chats in his 12 years as president."

Times are very different now and FDR's skill and approach could never work now - especially when half of the population will refuse to even listen to Democratic leaders, just because they are Democrats - and anything they say is immediately analyzed, parsed and picked apart from stem to stern.

FYI, I never said that Democrats "can't do messaging." My point was that it is much more difficult now and it's not fair to compare Democratic messaging to that of the Republicans, since it's easy to do messaging if you have no concern about either the truth or consistency. It can certainly be done, but it's not as simple as coming up with a slogan a la Republicans, as some people seem to think.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
74. What is it? The message?
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 09:07 PM
Mar 2018

I really want to know.

It's smart to listen when someone says they don't hear a message, because that means that the message, if there is one, isn't getting out there.

I've posted about this before. The Repubs have a system to get out their message. It's usually cohesive, and they "send out the dogs" to spread the same message across the airwaves and in the media. The Dems aren't that organized and not that cohesive in its messaging. It seems to be fractured. (This is partly the way of Democrats. Like Will Rogers said, "I don't belong to an organized political party. I'm a Democrat.&quot

Adam Schiff is prominent. He addresses the intel issues. So he doesn't have a "party message." There are a couple of others like that.

Response to Renew Deal (Reply #7)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
36. No doubt, the message can be difficult to locate if doing so invalidates a bias.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:35 PM
Mar 2018

No doubt, the message can be difficult to locate if doing so invalidates a bias.

Though replacing the bias with objectivity allows us to realize how simple and easy it is in fact, to find. But I get it... unless it fits on a bumper sticker, it may be too nuanced for those biased minds.

Renew Deal

(81,847 posts)
45. Correct
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:43 PM
Mar 2018

Unless it fits on a bumper sticker, it's not a message.

Grab any 100 people. Ask them what the message was Bernie, Hillary, and Trump in 2016. I bet at least 50% will give you an answer for Bernie. Hillary will probably be a little less. And Trump will be over 75%.

imanamerican63

(13,750 posts)
8. Just ignore him!
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 10:22 AM
Mar 2018

He is playing to his TV audience! Just like Trump, he has to keep his rating up! If you don't watch he'll go away! I listen sometimes, but he starts his rants or bullies the others, I change channels! He say he is independent, but the republican shine brightly when he wants it too!

onlyadream

(2,165 posts)
9. Joe and Mika are of average intelligence
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 10:24 AM
Mar 2018

They don’t hold a candle to the other MSNBC personalities.
They obviously try to use passive aggressive methods to make both parties, and Trump, do what they want, probably to no avail. It is fun watching them freak out tho.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
50. Average intelligence at BEST; no wonder they used to be friends of tronald dump.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:55 PM
Mar 2018

Their guests are the only thing that make their show even remotely watchable. Then Joe starts making everything all about himself, and I am reminded of how much he has in common with his former "friend".

Botany

(70,449 posts)
11. If it wasn't for people like Joe Trump would not now be in the White House
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 10:29 AM
Mar 2018

Joe S. = bush v Gore

bush v Gore = Roberts and Alito on the SCOTUS

SCOTUS = Citizens United and Rolling back the Voting rights act

Citizens United* and the roll back of the voting rights act = Trump and the GOP in power


* because of C.U. Ohio was overwhelmed w/dark $$$$$ in 2016 it was brutal

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
18. Do not forget Joe
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:06 PM
Mar 2018

Was the leader of the pack in interviewing Monica.

He quit shortly afterward to spend time wupith his family. His first wife divorced him.

Joe and Mika slobbered all over Trump until he threatened to expose them. Then they turned on him. I do not believe a word that comes out of Joe’s mouth. Or Mika.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
12. He has a valid criticism. They have MAGA and White Nationalism. What's ours?
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 11:24 AM
Mar 2018

I really have to disagree with you on this one. Joe is one of the Republicans who keep calling out 45 for what he is and makes fun of him constantly.

I also think the criticism that the our party doesn't have a coherent message is valid. If you think of 45 and the GOP you think of idiots in MAGA hats. While that is something we make fun of it's certainly working for them.

RestoreAmerica2020

(3,434 posts)
14. Our platform is simply "we f!#!$:@g care." Sorry, didnt mean to rude! George Lakoff
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 11:59 AM
Mar 2018

...said in an interview regarding last year's Womens' March, that while critics pointed out that it was total chaos, groups protesting this and that, no clear messaging, something that we hear often from republikkklans politicians and pundits ...yet Lakoff pointed out ..that there was one resounding message ...and that was that democrats genuinely "CARE!. " We care about women's rights, civil rights, black lives matter, immigrant rights, gun safety, environmental rights, student loan debt, child care, family leave to care for aging parents about the sick, poor, disabled ...we give a damn about every goddamthing... simply put "we care." And, we have been the leaders in establishing policies that support people, that improve the lives of all Americans.

The message repubs have ..."rich white men only matter" this past year's policies reflect their hypocracy that they are party of family values, yet they elected and support a sexual predator, racist nazikkk supporter; their message of being fiscally responsible has always been a ruse adding 1trillion to our debt last year to give the 1% wealthiest Americans a tax cut then lying to the American people that we will all benefit; all the while they stand in complicity as trumpf blatantly ignores the law to impose sanctions on Russia. The republikkklan party is a party of racist, bigoted misogynistic liars.

Response to RestoreAmerica2020 (Reply #14)

betsuni

(25,380 posts)
101. What are you talking about?
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 07:01 AM
Mar 2018

"What's missing from the list, or pushed way to the bottom -- men, white people, working people ... . ... White people? and Men? Fuck them."

You're the one who made a top ten list as if there were such a thing.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
59. That is not the point NOW. Stop re-fighting the last election
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 03:16 PM
Mar 2018

The point NOW is that we don't have the same sort of simple messaging they do. And it is a problem.

We better start recognizing this instead of being all superior and continuing to fight the last election again.

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
61. I have known the Democratic message
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 04:21 PM
Mar 2018

Most of my life. It is about working for the public good. To make this country better,help the citizens have a better life.

I really do not need a pundit like Joe Scarborough to tell me. I listen to what they say,watch CSpan a lot. On the floor you do not get pundit filters telling you what they say.

But to ignore their pasts when they were part of the problems is not wise either.. we need to move on, but a wise man does not forget the past at their own peril.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
72. Being untruthful isn't helpful. He did not back Trump beginning in 2016 at all.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 09:01 PM
Mar 2018

He did not vote for Trump, and even left the Republican Party.

Not that who he supported is relevant to the question of what the Dem message is.

If he is wondering what it is, you can bet your boopy that a lot of others are, too. And that is a message that we should hear.

DownriverDem

(6,226 posts)
35. The Dems Have a Message
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:32 PM
Mar 2018

Pro environment, pro national health care for all, pro women's rights, pro Dreamers, pro infrastructure repair, pro jobs, pro union etc. The Dems haven't changed. It was the country for years who leaned right. Now that younger folks have moved through the pipeline and they lean left we might have a chance.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
73. That's the platform.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 09:03 PM
Mar 2018

A political message is something else, I think.

Schumer came up with "A Better Deal" in 2017, which was roundly rejected by party members.

BSdetect

(8,995 posts)
13. Joe was too stoopid to see drumph for what he was and helped elect him.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 11:27 AM
Mar 2018

Suffer now you idiot.

You have zero respect from me.

Juliusseizure

(562 posts)
16. He should clarify himself
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:01 PM
Mar 2018

What he's really saying it needs to be a simplified unifying message focused on the larger middle class's concerns and not one intent on attracting groups and special interests.

He has lauded Obama's unifying message for that reason. No blue and red states, just purple.

Its just marketing. I hate to appear cynical, but if you want to sell a product to the masses, you have to appeal to the masses. And the parties are brands selling their services. And its no accident Trump's only real talent is sales.

The GOP have a messaging problem now too. Its the corrupt, caucasian anti-minority anti-women party.

DownriverDem

(6,226 posts)
28. Don't forget
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:27 PM
Mar 2018

The GOP had a lot of money and for quite a while the country leaned right. I watched in horror as folks voted repub for many elections.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
21. Whenever Morning Joke criticizes Trump
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:08 PM
Mar 2018

I remember the photos of him trying to suck up to Dump at Mar-a-Loco right after the election

 

HenryWallace

(332 posts)
24. Wow.... And there you go!
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:22 PM
Mar 2018

Absolutely not fan of Scarborough!

However:

-His criticism is that the Democratic Party is unable to articulate a unified message....

-Your response is to point back at the Republicans and point how messed up they are.

"Look how bad they are.." is not an articulate vision! This guy is scum; don't know why so many of you watch him but, you are proving his point!

 

HenryWallace

(332 posts)
69. In case you havent noticed
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 08:49 PM
Mar 2018

There is a struggle going on within the Party right now for direction. Scarborough hit a nerve; articulation of direction is seen as a weakness of the one of these camps.

The less detailed and explicit the articulation, the greater the likelihood that change will, in fact, not occur.

Might I propose a vision:

• Work for the material economic benefit of the least powerful in society.
• Recommit to government’s expanding and active role in insuring environmental, economic, and social justice.
• Actively pursue peace; explicitly oppose this Country’s military expansion (particularly in the Middle East over the past 16 years).

DownriverDem

(6,226 posts)
25. It's not just Joe
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:23 PM
Mar 2018

I often see folks comment how the Dems don't have a message. It drives me crazy. I always ask if they told the Dems. The Dems fight for everything I care about and believe in. I can't be the only one who has got their message for years.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
107. Youre not
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 08:39 AM
Mar 2018

These people don’t want a message - they want a slogan. But intelligent, complex policies don’t fit neatly into slogans,, which are geared for monolithic groups of people who are easily led.

Bigredhunk

(1,348 posts)
27. Ugh
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:27 PM
Mar 2018

I don't get why pundits harp on this. I suppose Dems don't have a simple, concise message. Neither does the other side. "We hate the black guy" was their driving force. Lying about stuff and whipping morons up into a frienzy about those lies was their driving force.

I don't think it's too hard to state for what Dems stand:

1) Improve access to healthcare
2) Take action on guns
3) Increase the minimum wage
4) Get $$ out of politics (and/or overturn Citizens United)
5) Protect the environment
6) Allow women to make their own healthcare choices (and/or protect Roe)
7) Stand with minorities - all races, sexual orientations - give them a voice, protect them from harrassment
8) Regulate financial institutions so the whole system doesn't come crashing down again
9) Give tax relief to working families, the rich pay a little more
10) Increase opportunity for everyone to have access to a higher eduction
........and so on

That's 10 in no particular order and I didn't have to break a sweat. Just because it's not some simple, dumb shit like "drill baby drill" doesn't mean it's hard to identify.

 

HenryWallace

(332 posts)
83. What a great List!!!
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 09:32 PM
Mar 2018

Vagueness promotes the common notion that “nothing will get done.” Also, with specifics you get to find out who are really "on board."

1. Everyone already has access, 40% of the populace still can’t afford. Guarantee as a right like other Countries.
2. Reinstitute the assault rifle ban.
3. Fight for 15 (Livable wages reduces need for welfare).
4. Where is our Party’s proforma Constitutional Amendment?
5. Commit to 100% renewable by 2050.
6. Well said!
7. Recommit to government’s expanding and active role in insuring economic, and social justice.
8. See above
9. Acknowledge the social benefits of the progressive income tax structure and actively work for its reinstatement.
10. Again, everyone has access….

Thanks! .... This is the most fun I have had at DU in a long time.

dajoki

(10,678 posts)
30. I'm sick of them all...
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:28 PM
Mar 2018

saying shit like that, and also that Hillary was a bad candidate. She was a great candidate and the Democratic message is very clear, people need to start paying attention,quickly!

dawg

(10,621 posts)
34. Complex solutions to complex problems don't lend themselves to simple "messaging".
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:30 PM
Mar 2018

Trump has MAGA - but that isn't a message, it's a meaningless catch phrase.

The message of the Democratic Party is, and has been for years, that we should use the power of government to make the lives of ordinary citizens better. The Republicans want to, instead, minimize government and maximize the power of private wealth.

It's a clear choice.

sprinkleeninow

(20,218 posts)
102. You closed with 'clear choice'. I like that.
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 07:13 AM
Mar 2018

Mb work it into something.

"Democrats Care! A Clear Choice!"

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
109. Thats a slogan that doesnt tell anyone anything about Dems
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 08:42 AM
Mar 2018

Republicans could use the same slogan. They care, too - just about different things.

The slogan doesn’t tell anyone what Dems stand for.

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
37. Joe and Mika are phony with their fake shock and awe
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:38 PM
Mar 2018

of what comes out of Trump's mouth. he was your friend for 10 years. You knew he was a misogynist racist hateful asshole. I bet when he made racist and sexist jokes in their company they laughed.

 

PaulX2

(2,032 posts)
46. 'Ol Joe Couldn't See Through Trump's Racism Etc.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:44 PM
Mar 2018

Anyone with half a brain could see Trump is a piece of poop.

What took you so long Joe?

 

PaulX2

(2,032 posts)
43. I Have A Democratic Party Message Stop The Madness
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:43 PM
Mar 2018

Vote for non-psychopaths.

That's a pretty good message.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
49. Scarborough's an asshole, but
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 12:53 PM
Mar 2018

The Democratic Party does have message issues and they kind of suck at strategy.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
75. This. I mentioned this before.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 09:11 PM
Mar 2018

Partly it's because that's the way of Democrats. More loosy goosey. But I've noticed the lack of "sending out the dogs," a pack of Dems to spread similar messaging across the media, to counter the Repubs. That's what the Repubs do. They're a more organized party, and always have been.

Still, we can do better. We have several who go into the media to speak about subjects, but it's particular to certain issues within their expertise.

I would think there should be several points the Democrats want to drive home strongly, and repetitively, to get into people's brains. That should be done by members of the Senate or House, preferably some long termers/leaders.

The Dems are out there. But not with a cohesive overall message, that I can tell.

Bleacher Creature

(11,254 posts)
53. He started his career as a foot soldier for Newt Gingrich's takeover of Congress.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 01:02 PM
Mar 2018

Why would anyone expect him to speak favorably about the Democratic Party???

MGKrebs

(8,138 posts)
54. "MAGA" was a Trump message, not RNC.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 01:06 PM
Mar 2018

Does the RNC have a message? Did they have one when Obama was President? The only one I can think of was "repeal Obamacare".

Expecting the DNC to have a bumper sticker message in early 2018 may be a lot to expect.

My DNC message is "President Pelosi 2018!"

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
78. Schumer actually named it last year: "A Better Deal."
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 09:21 PM
Mar 2018

It was pretty much rejected, as it should be. It's so bland and doesn't mean anything. They need some of the newer guys to come up with a cohesive, meaningful, strong message.

But there's so much bad going on that it would be hard to address all of that with one message. But hitting Trump with being unfit for office, or "time for a respected and respectful leader" in the W.H. should be included in the message at some point. Schumer and Pelosi avoid such references, maybe because they have to work with Trump on big issues.



 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
110. GET A MESSAGE! Ok heres one. THAT SUCKS! GO TRY AGAIN,
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 08:53 AM
Mar 2018

I’m a little tired of the nitpicking from the peanut gallery.

Maybe the Democratics, in our diversity and complexity, don’t lend ourselves to bumper sticker messaging. Perhaps WE as in individuals should take on some responsibility. Instead of demanding that the Senate Minority Leader come up with the perfect one-size-fits-all message that both captures complex policies and gives us all the warm fuzzies, perhaps we who think we’re so knowledgeable should be out in our communities explaining to our neighbors and friends why we’re Democrats and what the Democratic Party will do for them.

That’s how it used to be done before we started depending on the mass media to give us our messages. Now we take the lazy approach, demanding that our national leaders give us our marching orders and, if they’re not perfect in every way, we it back and blame them. NOT GOOD ENOUGH, CHUCK AND NANCY. GO DO BETTER.

Dammit, WE need to do better. Get our asses off our phones and out of our houses and go TALK TO SOMEBODY! THAT’s how you message!

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
113. Sorry, but that's how it's done in the modern world. Has been for decades.
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 10:43 AM
Mar 2018

You have to reach people who are involved in their own lives & don't follow news that much. That's just a fact. You can hate it all you like, but that's how it is.

Look at how Repubs messaged the tax cut bill. It was largely successful, even tho they were pushing lies. They blanketed the media to sell the same message. And people got that message.

All the Dems have to be on the same message and use the same talking points. Same main message.

The people who are likely to be swayed don't run in liberal circles...so it won't help to "talk to people." People don't want to be "talked to" by their neighbors about politics. Do you want your conservative neighbor coming over to "talk to you" about why you should vote Republican?

It's not just a bumper sticker. It's the reason that people might vote Democratic. It should help that goal. But people have to hear it, for that goal to be accomplished.

FYI: Wouldn't help for me to talk to my neighbors. They're dark red bubbas. They can't be talked to.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
117. If youre not around anyone who the message might be directed to, how do you know what does and
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 11:07 AM
Mar 2018

doesn’t work?

And how do you know that “people don’t want to be talked to about politics?” If someone isn’t receptive to their friends and neighbors, why do you think they’ll listen to Washington-based politicians?

In fact, your claim isn’t true. People are much more receptive to the influence of their friends and peers. That’s one of the reasons the Russian online trolling was so effective - they got people to share “information” with their friends, which had much more credibility and impact.

If we want to change things, WE have to get in the arena and do some of the work. But if we insist on sitting on our butts, demanding that someone else convince the guy next door or up the street or across town, don’t bitch and moan that they’re not doing it the way YOU would do it. If you think you know how it should be done, go out and do it.

Correction: you CAN bitch and moan to your heart’s content. But don’t expect me to sympathize with you.

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
65. Walk away from the Joe & Mika Review.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 05:05 PM
Mar 2018

Quite listening to their revisionist bullshit, and start impacting their ratings in a negative way. Trust me, you'll be glad you did.

Blue_Adept

(6,393 posts)
67. Eh, I like to see what Eugene Robinson has to say
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 05:17 PM
Mar 2018

And there are a number of other very good guests on the show.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
76. I like the show. I watch it most weekdays. Good guests.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 09:16 PM
Mar 2018

Time for some in-depth discussion on some things. They show clips of recent happenings.

I don't care what Mika has to say, esp since she married Joe (or got engaged). She's turned into milktoast. But she is a Democrat, at least, with some good creds in that dept. (her father).

Joe and Mika actually have so much vacation time that they are off the show more than they are on it.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
112. You didn't watch it, so you don't know. They led the charge AGAINST him.
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 10:37 AM
Mar 2018

So you just have a personal dislike of them. That's fine. I don't. I like Andrea Mitchell, too.

The MJ show spends the whole 1 1/2 hours every morning skewering Trump and the Repubs. There is no other show that does that. And the interesting part is that Scarborough until recently was one of them, so he has a unique perspective and knows what is bizarre even for Repubs. Anyway, I like the show.

Blue_Adept

(6,393 posts)
114. Even if he is doing it all for ratings, it's still a fascinating watch
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 10:50 AM
Mar 2018

I think there's some real genuine concern there and Joe is still very much a 90's Republican, which means I don't care for his stances on most everything. But the things he's doing feels very out of place within the context of all other conservative broadcast media and it's a fascinating window to watch as he's trying to reach those that he worked with, liked, and has supported over the years.

He's still an ass of an unimaginable degree, but that just makes watching what's going on all the more interesting.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
115. Scarborough feels how all the "normal" Repubs feel.
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 10:58 AM
Mar 2018

Scarborough is a Jeb Bush kinda guy (that's who he voted for in the primary). They all hate what Trump has done to their party. Plus they recognize Trump as being unfit for office and stupid.

Blue_Adept

(6,393 posts)
116. Yup. And while I still consider them to be highly unwelcome, seeing how they're viewing things is
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 11:05 AM
Mar 2018

useful. You gotta build a wide bloc in order to deal with the chaos that's engulfing us. You really can't afford to shun allies less you become as extreme as those you're fighting.

Thrill

(19,178 posts)
77. They arent good at messaging
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 09:17 PM
Mar 2018

Some of this stuff going on with Kushner would be dominating the news if it was under a Democratic President. Republicans would be pounding it on every station with the same talking points

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
80. +1. Exactly.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 09:26 PM
Mar 2018

Why aren't the Dems (besides good ol' Adam Schiff, who must be very tired!) hitting this home every day?

The strong comments are coming from Schiff, that guy running - Stoyer? (who doesn't even speak for the Party), and a couple of others who occasionally hit the airwaves. But the media should be blanketed with Dems hitting home the corruption or the chaos or the disrespectful behavior of Trump, etc. When there's a vacuum, others will fill it.

Now would be a good time. The Repubs are fairly quiet, because they realize the WH is in trouble...and they don't want to be asked about Kushner, corruption, and all the rest of the mess.

The Repubs hit the airwaves to sell the tax cut bill. It's a huge giveaway to the wealthiest, but they were successful at selling it to the masses as "Hey, a tax cut for everyone! It's raining money!" When, in fact, the small cuts for those at the bottom are set to gradually disappear over years, while the large cuts at the top are set to gradually INCREASE over years. Where were the Dems pointing that out? I didn't see them.

SamKnause

(13,088 posts)
100. They are the greatest threat this country has ever faced.
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 06:47 AM
Mar 2018

They are the enemy that is destroying this country from within.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
84. They're right. There's not a strong, cohesive msg being blanketed across the media."A Better Deal"
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 09:33 PM
Mar 2018

"A Better Deal" is the slogan that Schumer came up with last year. It pretty much died.

A group of Dems should be out there weekly hammering home ....the tax cuts for the rich, the chaos in the WH, scandal after scandal, the disrespectful behavor of Trump, the closing of all the coal plants when Trump promised the opposite - saying it would be easy to fix, the selling of public lands, and all the rest. The gradual destruction of the soul of the country by the Repubs. Language should be strong & sharp. No namby pamby stuff.

Some go out and address particular issues. Schiff addresses intel because he's on the intel committee. Every now and then Booker pops his head up. Or someone else. But no Democratic Party leaders messaging about the horror going on right now.

People need to hear this repeatedly, or they won't get it, it won't gel as a cohesive picture of what's going on. Like the Repubs messaged about the tax cut bill. They were out in gangs, selling it hard, and it seems to have worked. People think everyone gets a great tax cut! But in reality, the tax cut for the lower incomes is set to disappear over time, while the larger tax cuts for the wealthy, are designed to get larger. I bet few people know that.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
88. A Better Deal was actually an excellent message with lots of substance
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 10:07 PM
Mar 2018

But it was completely ignored by the media. The problem isn't a lack of message - the problem is that the mainstream political press has the attention span of a 4-year-old on a sugar high and have no interest in actually understanding or covering substantive matters.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
95. It was Democrats who rejected "A Better Deal." It was weak and meaningless.
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 01:38 AM
Mar 2018

They need some of the newer ones to come up with something stronger and more meaningful.

If one side's messaging gets out to people but the other side's message is unknown, the problem isn't the media. Trying to blame others won't get the message out. People need a strong, clear, consistent, and frequent message to get it. They're busy. They watch the news a bit, read some online stuff, but are not political junkies. They hear snippets here and there, watch a program here and there. Dems need to be on those programs so they get heard loud and clear.

But this is the Democratic Party. Like Will Rogers said, "I don't belong to an organized political party. I'm a Democrat." Maybe that's part of the charm.

sprinkleeninow

(20,218 posts)
103. Lately, stuff I'm posting is getting picked apart.
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 07:24 AM
Mar 2018

But what the hey. Here goes.

'A Better Deal'. When I became aware of it, almost sounds like if you'd play a vinyl record on the wrong speed-slow, remember how that sounded? That how I hear this slogan if it was actually put into use.

Glamrock

(11,787 posts)
85. I fucking hate Joe.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 09:51 PM
Mar 2018

And we all need to boycott that shit. Let his ratings plummet so we can have someone like Joy on.

However, maybe I'm to ignorant to hear or understand, but what specifically is the message? I'm engaged. I'm not ignorant of what the party stands for. Womens rights, gay rights, DACA, strengthening O'care, etc. I get what they stand for. But, what is the message? The unified, every member of Congress stating, message?

I ain't throwing shade your way Sam. And I fucking hate morning Joe. But, he does have a point. We here at DU forget that we are in the top percentile of engaged voters. Most people aren't as engaged as we are. It makes me fucking sick. But the vast majority need bumper sticker slogans they can understand and get behind. Dig? And the party ain't doing it. They really, seriously, need to spend some serious money on messaging and marketing. Fight fire with fire.

summer_in_TX

(2,710 posts)
92. A Better Deal wasn't a very strong name.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 11:04 PM
Mar 2018

At least it didn't seem to be one that lent itself to a lot of repetition.

And I'm with those who would really like to know a well-articulated strong message, because I get questioned about our message too. I'm tired of getting the question and feel like I don't have a good phrase to answer with. My casting about and hemming and hawing before giving my own interpretation of what Dems stand for is less than effective.

I've been hearing the same comment for the last 20 years or more about not knowing what Dems stand for.

Republicans have a short-hand message that they have effectively used and reused since the Reagan era so everyone understands what they stand for: "No new taxes," "Free markets," and "Less government."

Aren't there some basics Dems from red-to-purple areas and those from the bluest areas have in common? They can frame them different ways, but it sure seems to me that having agreement on a basic frame would be helpful.

How about "Common good" as one? Candidates in different parts of the country may focus on different aspects of it. It includes public education, healthcare for all, a social safety net, not leaving anyone out of the benefits of our society, and more.

Can we boil our principles down into a few phrases that are at the root of our beliefs?







ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
93. Honestly, the only person cutting through the noise is the Steyer guy
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 11:11 PM
Mar 2018

His ads are getting more and more pointed. It's the best messaging I've seen or heard so far. Sorry, the truth hurts, and I'm not going to pretend that I'm hearing a rebuttal from elected democrats, because I'm not. Joe is right, unfortunately.

PatrickforO

(14,559 posts)
94. Well, I hate to step in the way of righteous indignation, but
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 11:24 PM
Mar 2018

the Democrats need to focus on the 2016 platform.

Take a world leadership position mitigating global warming.
Reinstate environmental, financial, safety and other regulations.
Build a public school system K-20 that is the envy of the world.
Medicare for all Americans.
Expanded Social Security.
Ending Citizens United.
Dream Act.
Net neutrality.
National popular vote.
Ending gerrymandering (we don't need it).
Ending voter suppression in southern and mid-western states.
Better gun safety rules.
Reductions in military spending.
National Popular Vote.

AND

We need to educate people about taxes. Because when the fecal material hits the fan blades with this Russia investigation, and it is about to, the people who are left MUST at the very least reverse the Trump tax cuts, and if we're going to have the above, we will have to raise taxes substantially. Here's the thing for me: I pay 18.9% of my gross for health care and it is shitty, rationed healthcare with financially crippling copays. If we raise the hell out of taxes, but everyone has Medicare and their kids free college, we will have done a great thing.

We need to take back the Republic, Sam. The American Empire needs to go, and the Republic be reborn. A government of, by and for the people - that's what most of the founders wanted, and certainly what many of my ancestors fought for.

That is the message - it isn't enough to say, "Uh...Supreme Court!" Or, "Uh...Trump!" Because that didn't work. And, honestly, on the ground in my own state, we had a right winger, and extreme guy, take away a US Senate seat from a Democrat who should have won handily. Unfortunately, he ran such a wet noodle campaign that listening to him was like pushing your face through mush. I mean, he lost miserably because no one really knew WHAT he stood for. We cannot have that.

And, we need to stick together. I'm voting a straight Dem ticket - I think quite a few people are, but then, after our people are in, we need to have them on speed dial and hold them accountable for doing what they said the would do.

I didn't mean to lecture - hopefully you didn't take it like that. But I'm sick of wet noodle campaigns.

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
96. Perfect Summation!
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 02:31 AM
Mar 2018

Lay it out in those terms. You will notice all those winning the early elections are coming out with a positive message.

Tim Ryan of Ohio is traveling all over with this same message. He is connecting small businesses in Northern Ohio with the big companies so they can expand.

Dayton Mayor has brought back a city that was devestated with the loss of 5 GM plants.rebuilding the city, bringing in new business. Those locals are the ones rebuilding the Country.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
98. Patrick, here's a site we can point interested people to...
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 06:05 AM
Mar 2018

This site is a bit dated but still up from 2016 that has a good bullet list format on our policies:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Democratic_Party.htm

Of course, I'm sure you know about the official party platform: https://www.democrats.org/party-platform

I think a series of brief network TV ads for this very purpose would be great, and we have to learn to better use the hot buttons and emotional triggers like the Repugs have capitalized on for years.

During my youth, the Democratic Party was always the party of working people and we need to reclaim that post that's been stolen from us in the minds of far too many Americans.


 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
99. He says stuff like that to get reactions like this
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 06:41 AM
Mar 2018

Whatever gets people to watch his show, increase ratings, gain more advertising revenue.

That's why he is wall to wall Trump - it's been a boon for the show.

njhoneybadger

(3,910 posts)
104. What he said was democrats never learn how to take advantage of republican missteps.
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 07:48 AM
Mar 2018

and he was right. At this time he is an asset. The people who voted for trump only respond to
emotion so we hammer them with logic. It's fucking stupid

Mike Nelson

(9,944 posts)
105. He and Mika...
Tue Mar 6, 2018, 08:14 AM
Mar 2018

...refuse to acknowledge Hillary's message - "Stronger Together" along with the media-happy Trumpsters. But it still was the most popular message, according the actual voters.

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(15,546 posts)
119. While I agree Joe is not a person to look to for accurate information
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 03:41 PM
Mar 2018

I find he is correct in a way, on this matter. The Democratic Party needs to have a higher profile spokesperson, who is not an elected official, publicizing things Dems want, have accomplished or are opposed to. I've not seen anyone anywhere do that in a long time............

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