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RandySF

(58,739 posts)
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 02:51 PM Mar 2018

Trump Lawyers Payment to Porn Star Flagged by Bank

The bank used by President Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, to wire $130,000 to a former adult-film actress flagged the transaction as suspicious and reported it to the Treasury Department, the Wall Street Journal reports.

“The lawyer, Michael Cohen, wired the money to a lawyer for former actress Stephanie Clifford, known professionally as Stormy Daniels, from an account at First Republic Bank . The money was received on Oct. 27, 2016, 12 days before the presidential election, another person familiar with the matter said. It isn’t clear when First Republic reported it to the government as suspicious.”

Also interesting: “After Mr. Trump’s victory, Mr. Cohen complained to friends that he had yet to be reimbursed for the payment to Ms. Clifford, the people said.”


https://politicalwire.com/2018/03/05/trump-lawyers-payment-porn-star-flagged-bank/


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Trump Lawyers Payment to Porn Star Flagged by Bank (Original Post) RandySF Mar 2018 OP
Reimbursed by whom, exactly? The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #1
very difficult not to see this as an unreported campaign contribution, almost no matter what. unblock Mar 2018 #4
From the FEC website: Dave Starsky Mar 2018 #11
good question. barbtries Mar 2018 #5
but her emails unblock Mar 2018 #2
"We Elected One of The. . ." etc. ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #9
what?! barbtries Mar 2018 #3
I thought all transactions over $10,000 mitch96 Mar 2018 #6
That 10k figure is circulated but I've heard it's really aroung $6500. brush Mar 2018 #8
Pretty Sure That's Cash, As In Currency, Mitch ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #10
Yes, it's currency, and it's for transactions over $10k, and it does apply to your own withdrawal Jim Lane Mar 2018 #12
It's The SAR I Remember ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #13
So Trump stiffed him. Liberal In Texas Mar 2018 #7

unblock

(52,191 posts)
4. very difficult not to see this as an unreported campaign contribution, almost no matter what.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 03:05 PM
Mar 2018

well i suppose if he were actually reimbursed by the campaign, then it would be a campaign expenditure rather than a contribution. i have to think that would be illegal. i'm not familiar enough with the specific laws but i have to think that's not what campaign funds are supposed to be spent on.

if he was reimbursed by donnie or a donor or not reimbursed at all, then it's in effect a campaign donation in kind, because it was clearly done to benefit the campaign. and just because the money may have bypassed the campaign bank account doesn't change that.



Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
11. From the FEC website:
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 05:17 PM
Mar 2018

"Payments for day-to-day expenses, such as staff salaries, rent, travel, advertising, telephones, office supplies and equipment, fundraising, etc., are permissible operating expenditures. Interest paid on a loan is also considered an operating expenditure.

"Certain other expenses are considered to be permissible operating expenditures on a case-by-case basis, including meal, travel, vehicle and legal expenses. For example, if a campaign pays for the candidate’s travel and subsistence in connection with his or her campaign activities, those payments are also considered operating expenditures.

"Generally, as long as such expenses would not exist irrespective of the candidate’s campaign or duties as a federal officeholder, they are considered permissible."

Although I guess this is a legal expense, the campaign might have to justify that last part.

unblock

(52,191 posts)
2. but her emails
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 02:58 PM
Mar 2018

ffs we elected one of the most buttoned-down, proper, prepared, sensible candidates for president ever, and somehow we're stuck with this damn disgraceful disaster of a dunce instead.


i know donnie loves to delay paying suppliers, and maybe not paying them at all until they sue, and then only paying them a fraction, but you'd think the guy who pays hush money for you would be someone you might be eager to pay in full on time.


ProfessorGAC

(64,990 posts)
10. Pretty Sure That's Cash, As In Currency, Mitch
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 04:39 PM
Mar 2018

Not absolutely certain, but i recall that 10k number relating to direct cash deposits. IIRC, they don't have to report you taking 10k in cash out of your own bank account, but you bring in a bag of cash to deposit and they have to report it.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
12. Yes, it's currency, and it's for transactions over $10k, and it does apply to your own withdrawal
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 06:49 PM
Mar 2018

You write that "they don't have to report you taking 10k in cash out of your own bank account...." The bank DOES have to report a cash withdrawal, even from your own account. Withdraw $10,000.00 and there's no report. Withdraw $10,00.01 in cash and the bank must report it.

The point of these rules is to create a record. Paying hush money to a porn star isn't covered at all if the payment is made by check, because the bank retains a copy of the check, showing payer, payee, amount, and date.

ETA: I see the payment was actually made by electronic transfer. That also creates no reporting requirement, for the same reason.

All the foregoing relates to a CTR -- cash transaction report. This is a bright-line test. The bank MUST file a CTR for any transaction in currency that's over $10k, and has absolutely no CTR obligation for any lesser amount (although multiple small transactions in the same day, if they add up to more than $10k, do require a CTR).

There's a separate form called the SAR -- a suspicious activity report. This one is more subjective. There are some things that definitely require the bank to file one, but other times it's a judgment call. The SAR requirement can kick in even for a non-cash transaction. My guess, based on what little I've read about this incident, is that the bank had no CTR requirement, but that something about the payment prompted the bank to file the SAR.

ProfessorGAC

(64,990 posts)
13. It's The SAR I Remember
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 08:53 PM
Mar 2018

BTW: I did say I wasn't certain, so I'll take to being corrected
I was secretary of the board of directors of a 100 million dollar CU for roughly 20 years
I remember getting the seminar on SAR up in Madison, WI.
Some sort of fiduciary duty learning and then golf
Pretty good for a volunteer position

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