"The alleged legal team of Gin and Tonic"

[CatWoman]

just now on Lawrence's show.

Panel describing Nunberg's attorney

[eleny]

1. I've felt this since this afternoon

It appeared to me that he knocked down a couple of gin and tonics too fast and all heck broke loose. He was not the same guy a few weeks ago on Melber's show.

I think he's also in grave danger. He's been involved with a very dangerous crowd. He could even take his own life, for real. Just my opinion. He didn't do well carrying out Stone's wished today.

[CatWoman]

2. earlier today he said he was also taking medication

antidepressants, I think....

[eleny]

4. Yeah, that's what I just saw

A clip on Lawrence's show. I'm watching my recording since it's been a busy day around here all day. Catching up is pretty wild.

Anyhow, I think his meds, a stiff drink and fear all added up to today's theater. Frankly, I fear for his life even if he's one of Trump's associates. The country doesn't need this.

[spooky3]

7. And, correct me if wrong, but anti-depressant labels say

You should avoid alcohol when taking this med. If that is what he did, he was probably really impaired.

[eleny]

8. I've witnessed this with a couple of relatives and it looked awfully familiar today

[nolabear]

9. And Ari mentioning that he talked to Nunbergs father.

He said he’d called Nunberg (sounded like to check on him) and he was “surrounded by his father and friends.” It sounded like he was being taken care of. Melber said his conversation with the father was off the record but it sounded...interesting.

[eleny]

11. I missed that, thanks!

Yeah, he appeared to be a danger to himself.

[spooky3]

10. Sorry to hear that; hope things are better with your relatives.

[eleny]

12. Thanks, spooky

They don't live nearby but it's still of concern. These things don't often end well. I appreciate your thoughts.

[eppur_se_muova]

14. Lawrence mentioned this, pointed out one of the effects of mixing the two ...

... is "impaired judgement".

[NewJeffCT]

13. In all seriousness

if he's really taking anti-depressants, he should be on suicide watch the next several days after what went down today.

[HipChick]

3. Meh...he was the same racist jerk...could not care less what happens to him..

Mueller already has what he needs...

[eleny]

5. I just don't think it's good for the country

Jail - sure. I'm all in. But some Putin Solution is surely bad for all of us.

[HipChick]

6. That ship sailed already....Putin already has control of the WH

stooge...he's appointing folks for Sec of State...does not get any worst than that...and prob a whole lot more

[uponit7771]

15. +1

[Honeycombe8]

16. I read it the same way. Seems like he's cracking under the pressure.

He must have large legal bills, and being asked to review 50,000 emails with a subpoena....he might be cracking in full view.

Perhaps this is part of Mueller's strategy. He's getting closer to those that count, knowing they're waiting, with the pressure building all the while.

This is probably how they all felt...Manafort, Gates, Kushner, Flynn, Pappadopoulos...but only Nunberg is showing it in public. His personality is such that he talks. So his crackup is public.

[eleny]

17. About all those emails

If Mueller wants all the emails between Nunberg and certain individuals I don't understand why it would be difficult to isolate them in his email client by who they're from or in the case of his sent emails, by the recipient. Then save them for each person on a thumb drive.

It couldn't take more than a half hour at the most. So the 80 hours of work Nunberg was talking about doesn't pass muster.

About the strain he's under, I agree. He's got good reason to be sweating. No doubt, he knows a lot of dirt. Stone has known Trump for decades and Stone is like a father to Nunberg. That must have been fun during the campaign when they were all riding high together. Now he's more a liability.

[Honeycombe8]

18. I worked in legal field, dealing with hundreds of thousands of documents incl. emails.

There's nothing worse than emails to review and isolate or summarize. Very time consuming. Saving to a thumb drive is not "reviewing."

Consider an email I send to you. You send a response back to me....with my email embedded. I send a response to you, with the thread embedded. Then you forward it to someone else, with the thread embedded. Then that person sends it back to me, but only with two emails in the thread embedded.

That's just one thread. But it consists of five separate emails, each saying something else...but they all also contain repeat emails (all saying the same thing), and one email with only a partial thread. Each email must be reviewed and will say something different. Each one has multiple dates. Some have the same subject line, but some have different subject lines.

Now imagine THOUSANDS of these instances.

First...a thumb drive won't work. You put them in a searchable database that you can access remotely. Sorting by date won't be 100% accurate. Searching by subject line is helpful, but not 100%. Searching by search terms is helpful, but not 100% accurate.

It is VERY time consuming.

I would review probably by searching in multiple ways, and then sorting by date each time. I could hire a service to group threads, but they charge and not something an individual would do.

There's no way Nunberg could review all those emails before Friday, even if that's all he did.

Very time consuming, and if you don't know what you're doing, it would overwhelm you.

[eleny]

19. But why does he have to review each email?

I must be under the wrong impression. I thought Mueller simply wanted all the emails between Nunberg and several people. So save them all and dump them on drives. Let Mueller's team sort them. Nunberg would still be in compliance for providing them. I didn't get the impression that he has to edit the contents for relevance. That's Mueller's job. And besides, it's widely thought that Mueller already has them.

When Nunberg read the request I never heard him read anything but a general asking for all emails. It doesn't make sense that Mueller would want Nunberg to edit a single word. Unless I missed something else in the subpoena. Anyway, that's the basis for my thinking.

[Honeycombe8]

20. We're just repeating what Nunberg said...that he wasn't going to review all those emails...

and then later said he'd spent a couple of hours looking at some of them.

If he's going to be questioned about them, I'm sure he wants to know what's there, so he can be prepared. That's the normal process for preparing for a deposition. You don't go in blind, not knowing the substance of the documents you'll be questioned on.

But of course, there's no way to get up to snuff on that volume of emails. Which is probably why Mueller had such a short time frame.

If Nunberg, who is an attorney, had been smart, he would have already reviewed all his emails before now, anticipating that he MIGHT be questioned on them.

I'm just thinking that maybe that's partly what freaked him out...the sheer volume of the emails that he's going to be questioned on and that he can't review them, and he can't not produce some, since Mueller probably has most of them already so will know if he holds back. It'd freak me out, too.

[eleny]

21. I see what you're saying. It makes sense

Then it makes sense for him to follow the advice of the attorneys on Melber's program last night and ask for more time.

Given how Stone shoved him under a bus today I imagine his state of mind must be thoughtful tonight. I hope he looks out for himself, takes Mueller's offer of immunity and shoves Stone and Trump under a bus himself.

[Honeycombe8]

22. Oh, I didn't hear about Stone today. Will have to look that up. +1 nt

[eleny]

23. Stone said that Nunberg acted on his own

Some "father", huh!

[Honeycombe8]

24. No way!!! Seriously. Oh, that's goooood. Under....bus! nt