The more I understand about the Steele Dossier the more I think Comey may be criminally

[Augiedog]

culpable for Hillary Clinton loosing to the orange anus. It’s as much about what is in the dossier as it is about what Comey knew, when he knew it and why he failed to expose it at the same time he was exposing Clinton to alleged further scrutiny.

Somehow though, I don’t think Mueller will be grilling Comey anytime soon. Ya still gotta wonder if Putin had something on him too. Seems like Putin has more control over our government than anyone realized.

[dhol82]

1. I blame Comey for most of this shitshow that we have now

[RKP5637]

4. Yep, his timing totally undermined HRC. n/t

[Brainstormy]

2. I've ALWAYS thought that

and I've been appalled by the fawning over Comey since he was fired. He's still a traitor.

[lunamagica]

40. ICAM. It needs to be repeated. Comey is a TRAITOR

[Sanity Claws]

3. criminally culpable? Under what statute?

Actually, the more I hear, the more I am convinced that certain agents worked with Guiliani and the Republicans to hurt Clinton. Not sure whether it is because they are Republican partisans or some other reason, though.

[world wide wally]

6. According to the Logan Act, a federal law enforcement agent is not allowed to discuss legal

matters of a candidate within 30 days of an election.

[phleshdef]

10. He didn't publicize it though, the Republicans did.

I don't think that applies here.

[world wide wally]

11. That would have to be determined in court

[Qutzupalotl]

24. Comeys letter was classified until Chaffetz released it on Twitter. n/t

[world wide wally]

25. Chaffetz should have been prosecuted

[Qutzupalotl]

26. agreed

But with his odd off-year resignation, we don’t know that he hasn’t been.

[Eliot Rosewater]

27. Chaffetz is neck deep in treason, russian money, etc.

[KPN]

34. Yep. Why he got out. Possible run for

Governor is convenient BS.

[brush]

53. As if Comey was so naive that he thought Chaffetz would not leak that letter. Of course he knew...

it would be leaked, like any other sentient being would and should know—including DUers.

Comey was a partisan hack, a weak one at that who should've taken charge of those rogue NY agents and fired their ass.

He also should have had the allegedly "new" emails examined before releasing that Oct. 28 letter. He would've found they were just duplicates of the exculpatory ones already examined and no letter to Chaffetz would've been necessary (he may have already known that anyway considering the mere 6 days it took to find out compared to the months and months his investigation took).

And one other minor detail, he was also investigating trump but never mentioned that. Tell me that wasn't purposely not mentioned.

Now he's playing the sympathy card with his periodic tweets trolling trump.

We ain't falling for it, Comey.

We know he hated Hillary and sought to undermine her, just as he did at the July, 2016 press conference where he announced no recommendation for indictment following his long investigation but "scolded her like some dour school marm" chastising a careless child—on national TV for full effect.

Fuck him, and I hope Muellar, once he gets through with trump, goes after all the bad actors who loosed the corrupt trump family onto the country, and that includes Giuliani.

[phleshdef]

55. I'm more mad at Comey for giving his personal opinions about shit when Clinton was cleared.

He was obligated to report anything new to the committee though. That much I can accept.

[brush]

57. But he didn't find anything new. He should've taken the time to examine those emails before...

eagerly reporting to Congress. He would've found out they were just duplicates.

Agreed?

The man had way too much experience to make such a rookie mistake.

IMO it was no mistake on his part.

It was a huge mistake for the country though as he knew he was also investigating trump. Where was his sense of fairness? It was non-existent in his partisan ass.

He deserves every bit of criticism he gets.

[onenote]

12. Huh? That's not even remotely close to what the Logan Act says.

The Logan Act, 18 USC 953, deals with Private Communications with Foreign Governments.

It reads, in its entirety as follows;

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.


I don't know of any law that states that a federal law enforcement agent is not allowed to discuss legal matter of a candidate within 30 days of an election.

[world wide wally]

18. Sorry. It is the Hatch Act

[onenote]

42. Neither the Hatch Act nor the regulations implementing it contain the restriction you describe

While the DOJ has an "informal tradition" or "policy" of not commenting on matters related to a candidate during the final month or two prior to an election, it is not required by law.

Whether Comey's action constituted a violation of the Hatch Act (because they arguably violated the actual terms of the Hatch Act not some unenforceable tradition or policy) is something we will never know because the maximum punishment for a Hatch Act violation is dismissal (which is rarely imposed) and thus once a federal official leaves office (either voluntarily or by being fired), the investigation terminates.

It's not a "criminal" violation.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. The Logan Act

The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized persons with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.

[dhol82]

7. I am positive there was a cabal with Giuliani and the NY FBI

I have an acquaintance, who is friends with the dumps, say that Lara was crowing over some big shit coming out about Hillary about a week before the Huma Abedin/Weiner scandal erupted.
There is no doubt in my mind that it was all manufactured to help the shitgibbon.

[triron]

22. I think Comey may have been blackmailed by these guys.

[Eliot Rosewater]

29. The interesting thing is there is to date not a shred, not a single shred of anything

wrong or bad or scandalous about Clinton or Podesta, etc.

Same way there isnt a shred on Franken.

[barbtries]

30. this is my theory.

they squeezed Comey unmercifully and he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. but the outcome has been so bad. so bad.

[brush]

54. Beg pardon! Who gets away with sqeezing their boss unmercifully?

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He should've fired their ass so quick they didn't know what hit their ass as the door hit them.

Then he should've went after that weasel Giuliani.

IMO Comey wanted a repug win just as well as the rogue agents. That explains his actions better than he was afraid of his own employees.

[barbtries]

60. i don't know, it's just what i think may have happened.

hopefully some day the whole story will emerge.

[FarPoint]

28. I'm over it actually....

Let's move forward and support Mueller's Investigation...this is how we clean up.

[lunamagica]

38. No, people who commit crimes must pay.

[FarPoint]

41. I'm over beating up Comey is my point.

Right now, we are in a crisis, at war in my opinion...Mueller appears to be the only way to break through the GOP/republican/ Putin Cult 45 minions. So, I'm not focused on old bad deeds.

[onenote]

63. What criminal statute did he violate?

The Hatch Act is not a criminal statute.

[demigoddess]

37. +1

me too. Reading Lanny Davis's book, guiliani hates Hillary for taking that Senate seat he wanted.

[brush]

51. Certain agents and Giuliani were not the head of the FBI. He was and he should've fired their asses.

[still_one]

59. A hatch act violation.

[Funtatlaguy]

5. A loose orange anus?

Just how loose?
Hillary did lose the electoral college but Orange anus was the loser of the popular vote.
So, in one sense, the loose loser lost.

[TheDebbieDee]

8. Comey has never given a plausible explanation

for revealing that Hillary Clinton was under investigation for emails on Weiner's laptop but not revealing that Trump's campaign was under investigation for all kinds of CRAP!

[shraby]

9. If I recall correctly,

Comey told the committee investigating that if he had new information, he'd give it to them. He gave it to the committee and they leaked it to the press.

Blame needs to go where it belongs. The committee investigating Hillary.

[mythology]

20. Alternatively, if Clinton never had the stupid server in the first place, none of this would be

Yes previous Secretaries of State had email servers, but none of them were planning on running for President and none of them have had such a Republican witch hunt after them. She should have been 100% squeaky clean given her perception. She wasn't.

Yes the Republicans on the committee shouldn't have leaked, but that was to be expected from Republicans who have had a ludicrous level of hate for Hillary (and Bill and Obama). Don't give the other side a handhold. The Benghazi stuff never stuck because Clinton was clean on that. With the server, she wasn't and couldn't really explain it.

[EffieBlack]

21. If it weren't the server, it would have been something else

It's unreasonable to expect that Hillary Clinton could have anticipated every single possible thing the Republicans would go after her about - especially things that had never been considered wrong.

If Clinton had never had a personal server, the Republicans would have zeroed in on something else and pounded and pounded and pounded her on that.

Enough with the Monday morning quarterbacking in order to find some way to shift the blame away from the Republicans and onto Hillary. Anyone who thinks that, even had Hillary done everything in her life completely perfectly, the Republicans wouldn't have found something to beat her up with, just hasn't been paying attention.

[barbtries]

31. totally agree.

thank you.

[Cosmocat]

64. T H I S

and to add to your point.

The republicans would have lost their shit over some bullshit AND THE MEDIA would have legitimized it ...

[EffieBlack]

66. Ding Ding Ding - We have a winner!

Dear Lord, please spare us from Democrats who are STILL falling into the GOP/Russian Troll trap and, after all we've seen and heard and learned in the past couple of years, blame Hillary for being the target of their witch hunt.

[Cosmocat]

67. Just watched Jack Tapper

they had a woman on who did a recent article on some of the Russia stuff.

Tapper showed a clip from during the campaign when he had Hillary's campaign manager on and Trump Jr.. Hill's campaign manager said that US intelligence agencies had confirmed that Hilary's e-mails (that had been released by that point) had been hacked by Russians, who were looking to use them to influence the election in favor of Trump.

His asshole son went one of these high and mighty indignant rants about how pathetic the Hill campaign was, how desperate and wildly impossible that that Russia was looking to influence the election in his father's favor.

Tapper then showed highlighted the now known meeting that Jr. had THREE WEEKS PRIOR with the Russians trying to get Hillary's e-mails from them ...

NOW, sadly, galling as fuck, but not the least bit surprising at this point.

HOWEVER, this journalist women went on to poo poo the media not giving any credence to the reports about Russians interfering in the elections because THEY JUST SEEMED SO HARD TO BELIEVE.

Tapper mentioned that he asked the campaign manager after the election why he didn't try to push this harder, he said he did, the media just would not do anything with it ...

THIS is the "liberal" media.

Let Rs run roughshod with their lies, contradictions, hyperbole, complete bullshit, hypocrisy ... But be all skeptical and ignore the real shit ...

[MrsCoffee]

23. Seriously? Her fucking emails?

I can't take anyone seriously who fucking goes there.


/facepalm

[uponit7771]

33. She's doing little different than what GOP Pols are doing RIGHT NOW except her sever is local.

.. and there's is on Yahoo or Google grounds.

[StevieM]

46. Actually, they still would have made accusations about classified information and they still would

have gotten the FBI to look at it.

And they would have made up other stuff too.

The fake email scandal was ludicrous from beginning to end.

[kcr]

70. Wow. Still with the emails, huh?

How embarrassing.

[brush]

56. Not quite. Did you not read the post you responded to? Comey didn't reveal he was also...

investigating trump's campaign.

Blame falls on Comey as well.

He loosed the trump crime family and this present chaos and apparent Putiness allegiance upon the country.

[shraby]

68. I'd rather he didn't reveal the investigation into the trump campaign. He would have

alerted them and they wouldn't have been as open as they were about doing things that would get them in trouble.
They would have gone underground with their misdeeds.

[brush]

69. Are you serious? That's what gave trump the election. HTH is that better for the country, letting...

the debacle that is the trump admin. loose upon us.

Their crimes were still their crimes and could've been prosecuted after the election. It just would have a prosecution of crooks and losers instead of going after an incompetent crew of bumblers masquerading as an executive branch.

I do not agree at all.

Even Comey knows he fucked up, which is why he's now reduced to trolling trump with his sanctimonious tweets in an attempt to redeem himself in the country's eyes.

[KPN]

36. What about "made me mildly nauseous"?

[unblock]

13. not only was there the "reopening" dirty trick, but also the "extremely careless" crap

he had no business editorializing and if he wanted to be honest in his editorializing, he would have laid the blame on some system administrator rather than hillary herself for not keeping up with the microsoft security updates.

he could have made it clear that there's no reason to think any classified information actually was seen by anyone not authorized to see it.

he could have made it clear that hillary process over 100,000 emails and over 99.99% of them were fine. if there were errors, she had an extremely low error rates.

he could have made it clear that most of the problematic emails weren't labeled as classified so hillary would have needed to have read it carefully and independently known the content was classified, not an easy task, especially when you have so many emails to skim through.

he could have made it clear that administrative or technical slip-ups happen *all the time* with classified information and people routinely get warnings and everyone carries on.



but no, he had to make it seem that between donnie and hillary, *donnie* was the better person to trust with top secret information.

[OnDoutside]

14. Seriously that's a bizarre OP.

[oberliner]

16. At least it made him mildly nauseous

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Comey undermined Hillary. His subsequent actions show how much he regrets it.

But there is no way he can undo the damage.

[lunamagica]

61. What has he done that shows he regrets what he did?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

62. Precipitate the Mueller investigation.

[lunamagica]

65. He needs to admit to what he did, and apologize to Hillary and everyone who voted for her

[wishstar]

19. Ironically, his defense was Trump/Russia was counterintelligence involving national security

so the Trump investigation was potentially much more serious meriting more secrecy to avoid compromising sources and methods (plus FBI personnel all expected Hillary to win) and Comey could have faced criminal repercussions by revealing a counterintelligence national security investigation prematurely.

Thankfully, Trump and Kushner panicked and canned Comey who would have never made the progress we are seeing with Mueller laser-focused on the probe.

[dlk]

32. I've Thought from the Beginning of Comey's Interference, He Belongs Behind Bars

He intentionally (for an offshore payment?) caused the election to go to Trump. Lock him up!

[samnsara]

35. comeys living in his own private hell for his actions

[bettyellen]

52. If hell is recording the audiobook version of your soon to be bestseller and tweeting jokes

[lunamagica]

39. I completely agree with you. Thanks for starting this thread.

It's amazing that so many here admire Comey. He has a lot of responsibility for the chaos we are living through now, and he needs to be held accountable for his actions.

[StevieM]

47. I agree. Comey is despicable. (eom)

[milestogo]

43. Comey was appointed by Obama, who bent over backward to appear bi-partisan.

And this is the result.

[StevieM]

48. Agreed. It was the worst mistake Barack Obama ever made. (eom)

[Mr. Ected]

44. Until ALL the evidence is a matter of public knowledge

I will continue to withhold judgment on Jim Comey.

He very well could be the scoundrel you describe. He may also have been placed in a position, for reasons still not known to us, that dictated the actions that he took. It could be any degree of both.

We think we know the whole story. We don't. We may never. I hope we learn enough to know what the hell caused him to do what he did, because none of this shit makes any sense.

[lunamagica]

45. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one

11 days before the election Hillary looked unstoppable. The Republicans desperately needed to damage her any way they could. So we have Comey, a Republican, pushing trump over the finish line.

I don't know why to some this seems so hard to believe when Comey's intentions were so very obvious to others (most?)

[StevieM]

49. Well said. (eom)

[StevieM]

50. Comey is totally responsible for Trump's victory. He dominated that election from start to finish,

going all the way back to 2015 when he launched that ridiculous investigation.

[still_one]

58. He is culpable because he violated the Hatch Act