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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 07:56 PM Mar 2018

****BREAKING**** Trump ignoring legal advice and speaking to Mueller witnesses

PER MSNBC




Take me back


The dirty:

WASHINGTON — The special counsel in the Russia investigation has learned of two conversations in recent months in which President Trump asked key witnesses about matters they discussed with investigators, according to three people familiar with the encounters.

In one episode, the president told an aide that the White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II, should issue a statement denying a New York Times article in January. The article said Mr. McGahn told investigators that the president once asked him to fire the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III. Mr. McGahn never released a statement and later had to remind the president that he had indeed asked Mr. McGahn to see that Mr. Mueller was dismissed, the people said.

In the other episode, Mr. Trump asked his former chief of staff, Reince Priebus, how his interview had gone with the special counsel’s investigators and whether they had been “nice,” according to two people familiar with the discussion.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/07/us/politics/trump-witnesses-special-counsel-priebus-mcgahn.html
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****BREAKING**** Trump ignoring legal advice and speaking to Mueller witnesses (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2018 OP
DO IT DONNIE !!!! GO AGAINST YOUR LAWYERS ADVICE *** BREAK THE LAW *** trueblue2007 Mar 2018 #1
The article says he's already done it, I believe NewJeffCT Mar 2018 #4
We have a moran for a president (bite my tongue). n/t aggiesal Mar 2018 #33
He.....did it....hiiiiiiiis.........waaaaaaaay. ffr Mar 2018 #35
He has a very good brain. femmocrat Mar 2018 #2
Those Discussions are Going to Be Discoverable Especially if Not Current Administration Figures Stallion Mar 2018 #8
Hell with contempt....try a felony. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2018 #18
He thinks if he yells "No Tamper, No Tamper, You Tamper" he will be fine. dameatball Mar 2018 #40
The thing is, that kind of thinking is what 4 year olds do. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2018 #42
MSM seems to think it's ok triron Mar 2018 #45
The very bestest brain nclib Mar 2018 #17
Stable genius.... smarter than all thems lawyers... magicarpet Mar 2018 #27
IQ into infinity nclib Mar 2018 #30
Fucking moron dalton99a Mar 2018 #3
Holy Shit! kentuck Mar 2018 #5
He is totally the republican's Blagojevich Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #6
Blagojevich is nowhere near the shitsoul trump is. LuvLoogie Mar 2018 #13
The level arrogance involved, however, is identitical. Tiggeroshii Mar 2018 #15
ain't it the truth. guy is doing manslaughter time. trump is living the high life. chelsea0011 Mar 2018 #26
Too bad he isnt a democrat, if he was both parties would instantly impeach him Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #7
+1 dewsgirl Mar 2018 #16
Oh, for sure. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2018 #29
They need help Donnie, can you coach them? grantcart Mar 2018 #9
Prebus and Donald F. McGahn. poboy2 Mar 2018 #10
O-b-s-t-r-u-c-t-i-o-n-o-f-j-u-s-t-i-c-e Tatiana Mar 2018 #11
Can we get Aretha to sing it? Cause it's music to my ears. dem4decades Mar 2018 #31
trump knows more than the lawyers, just ask him spanone Mar 2018 #12
From the link: Leghorn21 Mar 2018 #14
It's why, unlike most high profile conservative politicos, he couldn't get Ted Olson to represent rpannier Mar 2018 #19
Poor Muellers team Corgigal Mar 2018 #20
nothing better than a little witness tampering vlyons Mar 2018 #21
This gives Mueller time to recall the people and ask them if Trump talked to them after the FBI LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 2018 #32
Asshole does whatever he was, whenever he wants. Laurian Mar 2018 #22
A conversation with tRmp won't yield any coherent information. CentralMass Mar 2018 #23
There's no end to this is there? notKeith Mar 2018 #24
"May you live in interesting times" is supposed to be Chinese curse. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2018 #43
If all that was said was what is in the article it's not that bad for Trump. Kablooie Mar 2018 #25
Bad part is that Trump asked McGahn to lie about Trump having wanted McGahn to fire Mueller wishstar Mar 2018 #36
I am in the middle of the 2nd sentence there and going 'round and 'round and 'round. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2018 #44
Witness tampering much?? NT Bleacher Creature Mar 2018 #28
The guy is an idiot. Beacool Mar 2018 #34
Reminds me of Barney Fife taking the keys and going inside the jail cell voluntarily AgadorSparticus Mar 2018 #37
Trump and his admin are a mess mvd Mar 2018 #38
Laws are for losers IronLionZion Mar 2018 #39
If only we could locate the yellow brick road where a OldHippieChick Mar 2018 #41

Stallion

(6,474 posts)
8. Those Discussions are Going to Be Discoverable Especially if Not Current Administration Figures
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 08:02 PM
Mar 2018

the grand jury witness who discusses Grand jury testimony is probably subject to contempt of court citation since all evidence presented is considered confidential and privileged-that's why its not open to the public-so witnesses can't coordinate testimony

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
18. Hell with contempt....try a felony.
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 08:26 PM
Mar 2018

trump is witness tampering. Doesn't matter if he and they claim otherwise, by the virtue of his title of Pres. he exerts influence.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
42. The thing is, that kind of thinking is what 4 year olds do.
Thu Mar 8, 2018, 05:47 PM
Mar 2018

My 2 year old would cover his eyes and stand in the middle of the room during hide n seek.
He thought no one would see him, 'cause HE couldn't see.
Perfectly understandable behaviors. When kids do them.

Cannot even fathom what it would be like being next to a supposed adult who lives that level.

magicarpet

(14,145 posts)
27. Stable genius.... smarter than all thems lawyers...
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 08:59 PM
Mar 2018

.... combined together - even smarter than team Mueller - smarter than Mueller him self.

IQ so high the charts don't have the ability to record his astronomical IQ numbers.

nclib

(1,013 posts)
30. IQ into infinity
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 09:20 PM
Mar 2018

That's why he has the best and biggest words.
He can lie to Mueller and Mueller will never catch him. He will bamboozle Mueller.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
5. Holy Shit!
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 08:01 PM
Mar 2018

Now Mueller will have to call all his witnesses back in again and see if Trump talked with them and what did he ask??

LuvLoogie

(6,995 posts)
13. Blagojevich is nowhere near the shitsoul trump is.
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 08:12 PM
Mar 2018

Not even close. Blago is doing 15 years for a violation that doesn't even register on the scale that trump's malfeasance requires.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
15. The level arrogance involved, however, is identitical.
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 08:14 PM
Mar 2018

The fool knows he is probably being recorded around these people and is willing to implicate himself anyways.

 

poboy2

(2,078 posts)
10. Prebus and Donald F. McGahn.
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 08:04 PM
Mar 2018

-
In one episode, the president told an aide that the White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II, should issue a statement denying a New York Times article in January. The article said Mr. McGahn told investigators that the president once asked him to fire the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III. Mr. McGahn never released a statement and later had to remind the president that he had indeed asked Mr. McGahn to see that Mr. Mueller was dismissed, the people said.

In the other episode, Mr. Trump asked his former chief of staff, Reince Priebus, how his interview had gone with the special counsel’s investigators and whether they had been “nice,” according to two people familiar with the discussion.

The episodes demonstrate that even as the special counsel investigation appears to be intensifying, the president has ignored his lawyers’ advice to avoid doing anything publicly or privately that could create the appearance of interfering with it.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/07/us/politics/trump-witnesses-special-counsel-priebus-mcgahn.html

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
11. O-b-s-t-r-u-c-t-i-o-n-o-f-j-u-s-t-i-c-e
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 08:05 PM
Mar 2018

I cannot wait until Mueller indicts this fool.

Each day it gets harder and harder to tolerate his destruction of our nation and the world.

I want him and his family of grifters gone.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
14. From the link:
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 08:13 PM
Mar 2018

Mr. Porter, who resigned last month amid a domestic abuse scandal, told Mr. McGahn the president had suggested he might “get rid of” Mr. McGahn if he chose not to challenge the article, the people briefed on the conversation said.

Mr. McGahn did not publicly deny the article, and the president later confronted him in the Oval Office in front of the White House chief of staff, John F. Kelly, according to the people.

The president said he had never ordered Mr. McGahn to fire the special counsel. Mr. McGahn replied that the president was wrong and that he had in fact asked Mr. McGahn in June to call the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, to tell him that the special counsel had a series of conflicts that disqualified him for overseeing the investigation and that he had to be dismissed. The president told Mr. McGahn that he did not remember the discussion that way.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
19. It's why, unlike most high profile conservative politicos, he couldn't get Ted Olson to represent
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 08:28 PM
Mar 2018

him
He doesn't listen.
2nd reason was, he doesn't pay

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
20. Poor Muellers team
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 08:31 PM
Mar 2018

Damn it, hand me another folder. Talking about a binder full of women, these are blinders full of felonies.

32. This gives Mueller time to recall the people and ask them if Trump talked to them after the FBI
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 09:46 PM
Mar 2018

or Grand Jury, and what did he tell them. I was going to say "what did they discuss," but we all know that when Donny Two Scoops is involved in a conversation communication only occurs in one direction. He talks, they listen (or pretend to listen while they reconsider their life choices).

Laurian

(2,593 posts)
22. Asshole does whatever he was, whenever he wants.
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 08:44 PM
Mar 2018

Why not? He's never suffered any consequences or been held to account and I'm beginning to think he never will.

notKeith

(138 posts)
24. There's no end to this is there?
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 08:48 PM
Mar 2018

Random thoughts --

• Trump doesn't get it - he doesn't listen to counsel, he watches Fox and then tweets insanity.

• I am deeply concerned that Mueller may have a target on his back - how many people associated with Russian involvement in our election have died? What happens when it becomes evident that Mueller's team is about to nail Trump?

• Just finished reading an article about the methane feedback loop that is happening - http://meltfactor.org/is-the-greenhouse-gas-dragon-awakening/ - we may turn into another Venus before Trump starts WW III.

• And the melting permafrost could unleash very old diseases: "We could actually catch a disease from a Neanderthal’s remains, which is amazing." https://www.vox.com/2017/9/6/16062174/permafrost-melting

We live in interesting times.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
43. "May you live in interesting times" is supposed to be Chinese curse.
Thu Mar 8, 2018, 05:51 PM
Mar 2018

An understandable one.

thanks for the links and welcome to DU.

Kablooie

(18,628 posts)
25. If all that was said was what is in the article it's not that bad for Trump.
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 08:49 PM
Mar 2018

Certainly it adds an extra element of suspicion to him and doesn't help but it doesn't sound like he said or found out anything illegal.

That's if ALL he said was what is in the article.
Mueller has to be suspicious that there might be more to the conversations than what was reported and raises suspicion that there could have been other conversations which were not reported.

wishstar

(5,268 posts)
36. Bad part is that Trump asked McGahn to lie about Trump having wanted McGahn to fire Mueller
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 11:16 PM
Mar 2018

and McGahn had to remind him that he had in fact asked McGahn to fire Mueller so McGahn would be lying if he were to issue statement denying Trump had asked him to fire Mueller.

The part about Priebus is not too concerning if that was all they discussed.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
44. I am in the middle of the 2nd sentence there and going 'round and 'round and 'round.
Thu Mar 8, 2018, 05:53 PM
Mar 2018

Even the TRUTH sounds crazy with these people.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
37. Reminds me of Barney Fife taking the keys and going inside the jail cell voluntarily
Wed Mar 7, 2018, 11:54 PM
Mar 2018

Trump might as well just start trying on orange scrubs.

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
41. If only we could locate the yellow brick road where a
Thu Mar 8, 2018, 05:32 PM
Mar 2018

repuke or two could find the heart, courage and brain to recognize what is going on and DO something about it.

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