The "No one is above the law" bullshit.

[Cyrano]

Trump is obviously above the law, and then some. If any other president had done any single one of the outrages Trump has gotten away with, impeachment would have been front and center.

And even after he's out of office, by impeachment or other means, he won't spend a day in jail. No president ever has and, imo, none ever will. The reason is because if an ex-president of one party is jailed, the other party will forever be out for "revenge." No future president will ever feel safe for actions he or she performs while in office.

So like it or not, the orange creature is going to walk free. It seems that American presidents are "above the law" after all.

[NCTraveler]

1. Yes, the law isn't applied equally. That statement isn't constrained by the Presidency. nt.

[dchill]

2. I think (and hope) you're wrong. Why?

Schneiderman. Eric Schneiderman.

[dawg]

3. I call bullshit on "if any other president".

Any Republican president would get the same pass.

Republicans have an ethos of "It's okay for me, but not for thee." Hypocrisy is their modus operandi.

[JCanete]

20. in this climate yes. Their base hadn't been properly conditioned yet to accept

such a thing in previous administrations though. That has taken time and a shit load of money.

[rtracey]

4. of course

Of course, but actually take it further. Most politicians in this country are above the law. When was the last time anyone was actually tried for treason....? actually removed from congress for breaking its standards?

[Cyrano]

5. It happens occassionally

Check it out on Google. Most got off with fines and/or short sentences in Club Fed.

The presidency is unique in that no president has ever done a day in jail. Actually, the worst punishment for Trump would be loss of his wealth, and the realization that he's universally despised and seen as an incompetent buffoon.

[Guilded Lilly]

9. I am not sure Cyrano that he has the mental capacity to actually realize...

any of those things, personally. (I agree that would be the worst punishment. He would be committed before he would ever be jailed) He’s already mocked and abhorred and who really knows how wealthy he is or isn’t??

His narcissist disease and inbred arrogance are too deep. He is the “Perfect Storm” figure head of treacherous, greed-driven, runaway power.

[rtracey]

15. Hit him where it hurts

I agree that hitting him where it hurts....financially is the best way to handle him....

[Wounded Bear]

17. This...

Expose his finances. There's a thing among rich folks where it is considered "impolite" to talk money and especially origins of their money. We saw this with Romney, he didn't want to reveal his taxes, either. I doubt Romney was quite as much of a crook as Trump is, but still, to someone with wealth, bragging about one's wealth is considered tacky. That's one reason Trump is not really well liked among the upper class in NYC, along with his brash and classless way of handling himself. Consider the old cliche about menus in upscale restaurants not having prices in the old "If you have to ask how much you can't afford it" vein.

I've said it before, Trump would rather walk naked down 5th Avenue NY than reveal his financials. I suspect at least part of that is the criminal nature of many of his deals. His ties to Russia are deep and shady.

Behind every great fortune is a great crime.

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/09/09/fortune-crime/

[duforsure]

6. The RepubliCON

Hypocrisy is sickening, and they'll regret how low they've let him take their party.

[Guilded Lilly]

7. Yup. The BS is much wider spread than that as we all know....

by wealth, race and power position by the tens of thousands.

No debate necessary. But the astoundingly debilitating level of acceptance this wretched man, his cronies, and his political party have created and openly enabled in this country is the most crushing blow.

The accepted indecency, the total lack of honor, character and class are horrifying. Accountability? Practically non-existent for the political power-elite. Reality TV mentality has spawned the meanest-spirited ignorance and contempt for truth to permeate society. And then there are the “Comrades”.

As a nation, we’ve been barreling towards this eventuality for a long time.

The fix will be very long and difficult.

[Cyrano]

10. Exactly

Destruction is swift and relatively easy. Rebuilding our society will be a long and difficult task. It may take a couple of generations before we (and the rest of the world) can once again trust our elected leaders.

[Guilded Lilly]

13. In the historic scheme of things, I agree again...

Mueller seemingly has got some serious indictments brewing and the prosecution puzzle pieces are locking into place. I can’t wrap my brain around it all completely!

But beyond the legislative corrections that will be made by the ousting of Republican power, the societal damage already done is massive.

[yallerdawg]

8. The solution to all this is...

nominating and electing candidates of unimpeachable quality.

Too cynical?

[rock]

11. As I've stated elsewhere

Politicians dread impeaching another politician: what goes around, comes around. Impeachment as a mechanism of Law goes against American Law (it's political, not juridical).

[Cyrano]

12. That's true for Democrats, but

Republicans are ready and willing to impeach any Democratic president for anything and everything, including jaywalking.

Bill Clinton was impeached over a bj. George W. should have been impeached for lying us into a war (that is still going) but it didn't happen.

[Nitram]

14. If Dump were above the law, Mueller and his team would not be investigating him, indicting his

associates to collect evidence against him. He thinks he's above the law, and that's why he's going to be so easy to take down.

[lark]

16. Walk free, I certainly hope not.

Now, going to jail is probably out of the picture for the reasons you state. However, if convicted in state court his assets can and probably will be seized. What is drumpf without $$, absolutely a total joke. Also, his reputation and his children's reputations will be destroyed along with those of his party. They will be outed, (please Mueller have tape on this!!!!) as total traitors to America and in thrall to Russia. Elections systems will be totally changed and Dems will win decisively without russian repugs hacking the vote. Necessary laws will be passed to prevent this in the future, like any presidential candidate must publicly post 10 years of tax returns. All voting machines must have standard software that is monitored by a bi-partisan commission and these must be present at every step in the process. OR - just go back to paper ballots and have them counted by a bi-partisan group. Judicial nominees must have received the highest ratings from the Bar in order to be considered. Any candidate who submits erroneous paperwork is auto disqualified, no letting them try numerous times ala Kushner, Sessions. Any presidential winner MUST put any and all assets in a blind trust and cannot take office prior to that being certified by an independent board, no exceptions. I'mm sure there's probably more changes than that needed, but at least that would greatly improve our selection process and help the country.

[Cyrano]

18. That's a rosy scenario and

one I desperately hope for.

The reality of the situation is that Republicans still hold the vast majority of elected positions at the state and federal levels, including the judiciary branch of government. It's going to take a long time to rip their bloody claws away from the levers of power.

Change will only come about when a large majority of people countrywide recognize the reality that the Republican Party has become a vast criminal enterprise.

[lark]

19. Yah, I know I was definitely talking best case.

Worst case, assface starts a nuclear war, Asia and the US is devastated, China also launches nukes at us since we've killed lots of their people too and tens of millions at a min. die. drumpf declares martial law and suspends the constitution indefinitely and cancels all elections. russia sends in millions of troops at his request since there is civil war in the US with the military split in half between trumpers and patriots. That is worst possible scenario that I can think of and totally not beyond drumpfs "love" of PUtin and hate for us, the non-oligarchs and non ass-kissers.

Do I think either is likely in totality, no, but I do think our democracy is gone if russian repugs steal the next 2 major elections, which is definitely their and drumpfs and russian repugs plans.