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dalton99a

(81,451 posts)
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:35 PM Mar 2018

Bernie urges respect for Trump supporters

https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/politics/article/Bernie-Sanders-I-believe-that-Texas-can-go-12742060.php

Bernie Sanders: ‘I believe that Texas can go blue’
By Peggy Fikac
March 9, 2018

...

Sanders gave no quarter to his own party regarding efforts by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee to undermine Congressional District 7 candidate Laura Moser in the Houston area. The senator called it “absolutely unacceptable” and drew a parallel to national Democrats’ efforts to thwart him in his primary battle with Hillary Clinton. Sanders rejected the idea that the national party should steer what it believes to be the strongest candidate to victory.

“Let me get a little bit personal here, having gone through a little bit of that myself. You want to know who the strongest candidate in that district is? Let the people of that district make that decision. You want to know who the strongest candidate in the Democratic presidential primary is? Let the people of America make that decision, not a handful of people in Washington,” he said.

With regard to battling Trump, Sanders urged respect when people who oppose the president talk to his supporters.

“Our job is to talk to people, people who voted for Trump, respectfully. I do not believe that in Texas, or any place else, that most people who supported Trump are racists or sexists or xenophobes,” Sanders said. “I think they are people who are hurting, who want real change in the way our government works in terms of the needs of the middle class.”


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Bernie urges respect for Trump supporters (Original Post) dalton99a Mar 2018 OP
OMG Me. Mar 2018 #1
And The Earth Is Only 6000 Years Old PaulX2 Mar 2018 #32
The earth is 4.5 billion years old John Fante Mar 2018 #36
My Frirnd PaulX2 Mar 2018 #68
There's a big world outside the place where you grew up. John Fante Mar 2018 #70
That Is Not An Explanation PaulX2 Mar 2018 #73
Bernie is not a Dem; except when it might be to HIS advantage. democratisphere Mar 2018 #79
Bernie deserves a 2nd chance in 2020 after startin out 60 pts behind & refusing corporate $$$. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #156
The voters will decide. ehrnst Mar 2018 #195
Yes they will, as it should be... it's called democracy. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #199
They decided in 2016. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #200
Decided what? InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #203
Who the Democratic candidate was going to be. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #204
You mean like they did in 2008? And second chances were given, rightfully so... same for 2020. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #206
2016 - by a much greater margin than in 2008. ehrnst Mar 2018 #286
Warren stated that she is not running for Pres. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #267
Democrats can be susceptible to pie in the sky. Adrahil Mar 2018 #84
Yep. Zoonart Mar 2018 #128
Good for you NastyRiffraff Mar 2018 #158
Friends who are Bernie supporters ... LenaBaby61 Mar 2018 #182
My friends tell me the opposite. See how that works? :) pangaia Mar 2018 #234
My friends tell me the opposite. See how that works? :) LenaBaby61 Mar 2018 #240
Yep. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #285
Mahalo for that, Zoonart. nt Cha Mar 2018 #187
Good on you, Zoonart. nt sheshe2 Mar 2018 #268
Self awareness and critical thinking is indeed a gift ehrnst Mar 2018 #287
Actually, it is a great explanation. lapucelle Mar 2018 #86
How very dismissive.... kinda like Bernie... Adrahil Mar 2018 #130
It most Certainly is an explanation.. Cha Mar 2018 #196
Perhaps you could Google Bernie's party affiliation BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #219
It's not like he invented these ideas ehrnst Mar 2018 #289
Where is that? George II Mar 2018 #138
Welcome to DU... SidDithers Mar 2018 #167
Seems kinda dicey Hekate Mar 2018 #237
What does that have to do with the fact that she won by millions? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #177
Yeah. Blue_true Mar 2018 #246
PaulX2, SIX times the votes she did? Sorry, that's Hortensis Mar 2018 #282
Where was that? Can you provide some backup for that claim? ehrnst Mar 2018 #284
And denial is just a river in MrsCoffee Mar 2018 #85
Darn. I'm all out of peanuts. MyNameGoesHere Mar 2018 #87
I see what you did there treestar Mar 2018 #220
Hilarious...apples and oranges my friend. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #96
Too Wrong Me. Mar 2018 #123
t-rump Timewas Mar 2018 #2
I know.. And, what makes him think we should respect Cha Mar 2018 #14
You Mean Comrade Trump? Me. Mar 2018 #19
Hi Me! Cha Mar 2018 #23
... Me. Mar 2018 #120
But not the Democratic party which wronged him...apparently. No only Republicans Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #99
Exactly, Demsrule! Cha Mar 2018 #175
Please for gods sake tell me Bernie did NOT just say he was CHEATED in the primary? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #179
You just nailed it. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #269
Go home Bernie. You're drunk. TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #3
+1000000000 BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #150
Not a very nice thing to say... please retract. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #205
This is DEMOCRATIC Underground. And last time I looked Sanders is not a Democrat. TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #213
So, it's okay to speak of Bernie in derogatory terms, referrin' to him as drunk, after all he's done InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #218
All... he's... done... ? TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #226
I do not agree saying he was drunk. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #270
I'm sorry. No! Va Lefty Mar 2018 #4
Shaking my head Angry Dragon Mar 2018 #5
"Bernie blames Hilary for Allowing Russian Interference" Cha Mar 2018 #6
No, Bernie. How about we reach out to real Democrats and make it easier for them to vote EffieBlack Mar 2018 #7
Indeed Me. Mar 2018 #9
Nailed it... SidDithers Mar 2018 #170
Exactly. Not a D, he did not get treestar Mar 2018 #221
Not his own party. There's no party for independents. More_Cowbell Mar 2018 #8
Nailed: "his own party" - Uh, no. UTUSN Mar 2018 #15
Thank you, Senator Sanders. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #10
Insulting Trumpscum Won't Help PaulX2 Mar 2018 #69
for sowing division among Democrats and urging respect for racist scum sucking Republican voters? Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #100
If you recall, even your favorite, HRC, said that not all Trump supporters were deplorable aikoaiko Mar 2018 #149
Yay for Trumpers! BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #153
meh. We need Americans to vote for Democrats. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #159
Hillary won by 3 million votes. Americans DID vote for Hillary. onecaliberal Mar 2018 #207
Lot of good that did us. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #211
Of you dont think it matters that millions more voted for us and we lost then youre missing the onecaliberal Mar 2018 #272
NOT HAPPENING MFM008 Mar 2018 #11
I am so sick of Bernie NastyRiffraff Mar 2018 #12
Hear, Hear! smirkymonkey Mar 2018 #24
Me too...he is bitter and angry with the Democratic Party...he can't help himself. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #102
Texas can go blue melman Mar 2018 #13
Good on you for speaking up and KPN Mar 2018 #47
His words were not twisted...the "I know something about that" makes me see red...and the continuing Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #105
They cant let it go hueymahl Mar 2018 #165
Not exactly EffieBlack Mar 2018 #172
Fair point hueymahl Mar 2018 #290
You got that right! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #210
Does he urge respect for Hillary supporters? Just asking, because it would make today's comment... Hekate Mar 2018 #16
I missed that lecture. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #17
why wouldn't he? Why would he need to when most Sanders supporters actually voted for Clinton? JCanete Mar 2018 #22
But the ones who continued with their attacks WhiteTara Mar 2018 #91
again, the standard for such a statement would literally be him going out there JCanete Mar 2018 #143
"Thought through"? As a lifelong Democrat, it certainly was... Hekate Mar 2018 #227
They trump other concerns in mine too because all others are arrested by them. I'm sorry, JCanete Mar 2018 #276
Your paragraph 1: Imagine I have wage parity. Ludicrous, I know. But just suppose... Hekate Mar 2018 #277
Well Hekate, I said it wouldn't. I said it would take away some of the road-blocks so that JCanete Mar 2018 #278
What comment was that? Did you see it in KPN Mar 2018 #48
he doesn't care about respect for Hillary Supporters.. Cha Mar 2018 #56
That article, as excerpted, does NOT support the claim RandomAccess Mar 2018 #222
I have plenty of reasons to dislike BS.. starting with Cha Mar 2018 #224
What bullshit RandomAccess Mar 2018 #229
No, it's not bullshit. Deny it all you want.. doesn't Cha Mar 2018 #231
It's just factually incorrect. If that's fine with you, you've got a lot RandomAccess Mar 2018 #233
Bejayzus Hekate Mar 2018 #236
lol Cha Mar 2018 #238
he doesn't care about respect for Democrats. TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #228
No he does NOT. Mahalo for Cha Mar 2018 #232
Not once not ever...in fact both he and Trump have blamed Hillary for the Russian interference in Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #106
This message was self-deleted by its author George II Mar 2018 #140
Or Democrats in general? George II Mar 2018 #141
+1, Bernie cant stand obama either BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #152
Yeah, I was just posting to someone Cha Mar 2018 #225
I don't know about Texas but in northern NJ tRump voters are racists. njhoneybadger Mar 2018 #18
They are here too. TexasTowelie Mar 2018 #55
Can we please be done with the Senator? Stinky The Clown Mar 2018 #20
Yes, it is time. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #107
The title of your post is misleading. A turn of phrase can change the entire meaning of original diva77 Mar 2018 #21
The title is an accuarate summary of the quote. Stand and Fight Mar 2018 #25
Mahalo for that, Stand snd Cha Mar 2018 #26
Hahaha. Right. KPN Mar 2018 #49
And what about this? Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #108
He never misses a chance to take a swipe, explicitly or implicitly. George II Mar 2018 #144
No surprise there... once again, Bernie NAILS it!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #209
HIS party? RandySF Mar 2018 #27
No, not technically, but he caucuses with Democrats, so that makes him 1 for all intents & purposes. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #212
No, it doesn't. TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #230
BS made his choice. He was a Democrat for a short season only, then went back outside the tent... Hekate Mar 2018 #235
Even before the convention convened he had already registered his re-election campaign committee... George II Mar 2018 #239
The people of America made their decision, Sanders, and it wasn't you lunamagica Mar 2018 #28
And? KPN Mar 2018 #50
It's in the OP lunamagica Mar 2018 #58
What the holey hell is he going on Cha Mar 2018 #59
Absolutely, Cha! Gaslighting much? Say it enough times and peope will buy it? lunamagica Mar 2018 #60
Sad! betsuni Mar 2018 #62
It's unfortunate that Russian bots are amplifying the same message. yardwork Mar 2018 #76
Yes! Now this explains the recycled conspiracy theories R B Garr Mar 2018 #135
The people of America did make the decision. lapucelle Mar 2018 #88
Oh, okay, I see. So he should keep his KPN Mar 2018 #94
Yes he should...it is unbecoming and does him no credit. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #109
Really? What he said was rather statesman-like. KPN Mar 2018 #114
There was never any such thing before Sen. Sanders...and maybe the 'outreach person' Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #115
He never "hinted" that it was stolen. KPN Mar 2018 #117
What does this mean? Show me where I have it wrong...seriously. I want to be wrong. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #121
Means he felt a district he didn't get delegates KPN Mar 2018 #126
But people vote...and in the end that is what counted...but it is another explantation and I am Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #127
And if it proves in the end that I am wrong KPN Mar 2018 #191
You've brought this up at least three times now. Do you understand what the his position is.... George II Mar 2018 #161
Really, three times. I wasn't aware. KPN Mar 2018 #197
Well, if you know what the job entails, why not enlighten us? George II Mar 2018 #216
Official Senate Democratic Leadership Page: Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #202
And? George II Mar 2018 #214
. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #274
I'm impressed, but didn't NBC stop using that 25 years ago? And? George II Mar 2018 #275
His opinion? This is not a matter of opinion. It s a FACT that Hillary was the American people's lunamagica Mar 2018 #146
He didn't say otherwise. You are KPN Mar 2018 #192
Here are the words from his mouth: lapucelle Mar 2018 #241
Wasn't his opinion that Hillary won fair and square? I kina remember him saying that... lunamagica Mar 2018 #148
He conceded, endorsed and supported Hillary ultimately. KPN Mar 2018 #193
Yes, that would be wonderful actually BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #154
I see. KPN Mar 2018 #194
BS always has an opinion.. just many people Cha Mar 2018 #262
Ask BS. He's the one who brought it up. N/T lapucelle Mar 2018 #92
Once again Ill point out that Bernie Sanders polled 91% here at DU Ron Green Mar 2018 #29
2016? herding cats Mar 2018 #33
this site was full of trolls JI7 Mar 2018 #37
But not now. Wonder how he'd poll today? KPN Mar 2018 #51
Depends on how many returnees show up. Depends on what question is asked. Hekate Mar 2018 #64
I hear "The Passion of the Bernie" is still playing over at JPR. betsuni Mar 2018 #71
This isn't about a crusade for Bernie. Geesh. KPN Mar 2018 #89
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. betsuni Mar 2018 #90
He talked alot...identity politics, negatively about Democrats and the Democratic Party... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #110
Really? I missed that. George II Mar 2018 #142
Many, if not most, of us are still here... go Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #208
It is time for Bernie to retire if he doesn't think 45's supporters include racists and sexists. LonePirate Mar 2018 #30
I don't respect fascists nini Mar 2018 #31
Yes Trump supporters are racists and sexists and xenophobes ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #34
"Blerp blarp grarg white working class mumblemumble. identity politics rragh" Spider Jerusalem Mar 2018 #35
There are millions of left-leaning Americans who didn't John Fante Mar 2018 #38
They did in 2016 no? What would change now and why? KPN Mar 2018 #52
Trump happened. Blue_true Mar 2018 #251
Democrats that win did so because of Democratic Voters and New Voters JI7 Mar 2018 #39
I know my opinion is unpopular here, but I think Bernie is right on who should decide Sophia4 Mar 2018 #40
So, estrablished Democrats have no voice? leftofcool Mar 2018 #42
All should have a voice. That includes est[r]ablished Democrats. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #147
I'm with you Sophia... couldn't have said it better. Can't believe anyone would disagree... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #215
The voters did decide nini Mar 2018 #43
Your opinion is unpopular because it implies that the rest of us don't want that or that in the last StevieM Mar 2018 #45
It is always the voters...the Democratic Party is not going to hop a plane and replace Texas Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #111
How, exactly, did they "direct the voters" mcar Mar 2018 #137
I would advise people to reach out and listen to a Bernie voter on that topic. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #151
Certain voters have been repeating this tired talking point for some time mcar Mar 2018 #160
Reach out and talk about other issues like making college more affordable, Sophia4 Mar 2018 #169
I am president of my local Democratic Women's Club mcar Mar 2018 #173
Sophia. Blue_true Mar 2018 #260
Debbie Wasserman-Scultz held my hand and marked Blue_true Mar 2018 #257
Where's my cookie? mcar Mar 2018 #271
So many vote for Hillary, they must have run out. Blue_true Mar 2018 #273
And yet he travels all over the country campaigning for candidates. George II Mar 2018 #145
While bashing the Democratic party... Cha Mar 2018 #280
The voters decided in 2016. Hillary whipped Bernie soundly. nt Blue_true Mar 2018 #254
I will decide who I am nice to, no you or your wife or anyone else who supports you or Trump leftofcool Mar 2018 #41
Um, no, fuck that. Initech Mar 2018 #44
And his supporters had a problem with Hillary? Aristus Mar 2018 #46
How to make a controversy out of nothing 101. KPN Mar 2018 #53
+1 leftstreet Mar 2018 #57
#CluelessInVermont JNelson6563 Mar 2018 #54
I don't disagree with 1 thing said. He talks as an elder statesman should. No need for him to mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #61
Did you read the whole statement? He accused Hillary of stealing the election again. yardwork Mar 2018 #77
This! Adrahil Mar 2018 #83
No he didn't. You seem to have KPN Mar 2018 #101
He said he understood unfair treatment because he experienced...what pray tell did he mean? Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #112
He meant unfair treatment. Big difference between KPN Mar 2018 #113
No, it is code for the primary was stolen...and that those in 'DC' made the decision. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #116
I disagree. We are at an impasse. Bye for now. KPN Mar 2018 #118
Fair enough. Have a great day. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #119
+1 KPN Mar 2018 #122
How was Bernie treated unfairly? yardwork Mar 2018 #176
Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #198
I'm not interested in refighting the primaries. /nt yardwork Mar 2018 #223
The reporter who wrote the story drew the same inference lapucelle Mar 2018 #244
Oh it's Justified.. BS said this in the OP... Which is Wrong. Cha Mar 2018 #250
An "elder statesman" accusing Democrats and Planned Parenthood of being "establishment" betsuni Mar 2018 #78
Both Bernie and his son are always attacking Planned Parenthood. yardwork Mar 2018 #174
It's my opinion, too. Cha Mar 2018 #252
How about this: a little calculated gentleness for Trump regretters? moriah Mar 2018 #63
That's very reasonable, but Bernie has a legislative responsibility to make law ucrdem Mar 2018 #67
I don't disagree with that part of what Bernie said. yardwork Mar 2018 #74
You and I are on the same page here. nt stevenleser Mar 2018 #82
Agree entirely, yardwork. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #98
Zero tolerance for the goon who appointed Jeff Sessions. ucrdem Mar 2018 #65
He has said that in so many words many times. KPN Mar 2018 #103
Bernie Sanders on Jeff Sessions: "I'm going to listen to what [he] has to say..." ucrdem Mar 2018 #217
I'm not surprised. Trump and Bernie appeal to the same constituents. nt Tavarious Jackson Mar 2018 #66
Bingo! He obviously knows what the divisiveness was R B Garr Mar 2018 #132
That is why people that avidly support Bernie. Blue_true Mar 2018 #263
+1....nailed it BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #155
Bernie Sanders has never been a democrat. madaboutharry Mar 2018 #72
I can easily envision Jill Stein giving voice to most of his remarks... VOX Mar 2018 #75
"... his own party ... - what the heck does that mean? DrDan Mar 2018 #80
Nope nt tymorial Mar 2018 #81
One out of three. I guess batting .333 isn't too bad--if this were baseball. DFW Mar 2018 #93
This is why although I voted for Sanders in the Ohio primary, I will never vote for him in Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #95
So it is just fine to attack the Democrats and hint that you 'was done wrong' but Trump Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #97
How can you respect people who think Donald Trump is the answer ? Pity them perhaps. OnDoutside Mar 2018 #104
Fuck the deplorables and their sympathizers. MrsCoffee Mar 2018 #124
You got that right! workinclasszero Mar 2018 #129
MAGAts be MAGAts NT Adrahil Mar 2018 #131
Oh sure the trumpers want to talk respectfully to POC too . Seen a lot of signs of that Bernie ? lunasun Mar 2018 #125
Someone turn off his microphone, please. His time has passed. PubliusEnigma Mar 2018 #133
Everyone deserves a 2nd chance. Never would say Hillary's time had passed after she lost to Obama... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2018 #201
No respect here Joediss Mar 2018 #134
Wow! mcar Mar 2018 #136
Hey bernie, when are you going to speak out about what Our Revolution did to Sri Preston Kulkarni? George II Mar 2018 #139
Bernie: we must respect America hating fascists and racists. BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #157
I don't respect for Trump voters. And I don't respect anyone who tells me I should. Nailzberg Mar 2018 #162
As far as I'm concerned, Bernie Sanders can take a seat. MineralMan Mar 2018 #163
At his age Bernie should be content sitting on his porch rocker and yell at kids walking on his yard onetexan Mar 2018 #164
Oh FFS... SidDithers Mar 2018 #166
These types of people put my kids' lives at risk. No and Fuck that. nt Quayblue Mar 2018 #168
Sanders occupies an insular world of wealth, power and privilege, not living with these MFers!!! FreeStateDemocrat Mar 2018 #171
BErnie cant really be saying he was cheated in the primary? Are we allowed to talk about Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #178
+1000! mcar Mar 2018 #180
The Democratic Party fucked up in allowing Sanders to run as a Democrat Devil Child Mar 2018 #181
I don't agree that the party made a mistake letting him run. Blue_true Mar 2018 #265
Going after trump supporters is a waste of time Gothmog Mar 2018 #183
I've read Texas is 51% Latino.. Cha Mar 2018 #185
Not quite but Texas is majority minority Gothmog Mar 2018 #186
Yes.. Texas needs to GOTV of DEMS! Cha Mar 2018 #188
There are a good number of strong Democrats working hard to turn Texas blue Gothmog Mar 2018 #189
And, you're one of them, Goth! Cha Mar 2018 #190
I don't disagree with him on the subject of needing to talk to at least some Trump supporters mythology Mar 2018 #184
Bernie respects everybody-he's just that kinda guy. jalan48 Mar 2018 #242
lol omg. Cha Mar 2018 #245
What can I say? jalan48 Mar 2018 #249
Not that.. because it's not accurate. Cha Mar 2018 #253
Yes it is-he's like Obama in that way. He looks for the best in others. jalan48 Mar 2018 #255
No, he isn't.. I've seen it.. so don't tell me Cha Mar 2018 #258
I like them both. jalan48 Mar 2018 #261
Bernie. Blue_true Mar 2018 #243
Hahahahahahaha ellie Mar 2018 #247
Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #248
Respect has to be earned Bernie. Simple as that. riversedge Mar 2018 #256
Hey bingo, rivers! Cha Mar 2018 #281
Not everyone in this country belongs to a "Party". Lots of them. They are relevant. YOHABLO Mar 2018 #259
It's impossible for me to express NastyRiffraff Mar 2018 #264
I only hope some of those that were honestly infatuated with him in 2016 Blue_true Mar 2018 #266
This is the ilk we're suppose to show respect.. Cha Mar 2018 #279
When you see people cheering at this rally despite obvious lunacy and hatred this man spews, Cha Mar 2018 #283
Respect is not automatic....it is earned. kentuck Mar 2018 #288

Me.

(35,454 posts)
1. OMG
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:39 PM
Mar 2018

Senator if you had been the strongest candidate in the Dem primary you would've won. Get over it.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
36. The earth is 4.5 billion years old
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:18 AM
Mar 2018

and Bernie received 3.8 million fewer votes than Hillary Clinton. Of the 10 most populous states, he carried one.

Facts.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
70. There's a big world outside the place where you grew up.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:15 AM
Mar 2018

Hillary received 3.8 million more votes in it.

 

PaulX2

(2,032 posts)
73. That Is Not An Explanation
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:23 AM
Mar 2018

It's sad so many dems don't understand why he is so popular. Google oligarchy.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
79. Bernie is not a Dem; except when it might be to HIS advantage.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 07:54 AM
Mar 2018

Bernie wasn't popular enough to win the presidential canidacy. It is time to move on with new Democratic candidates for 2018 and 2020.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
156. Bernie deserves a 2nd chance in 2020 after startin out 60 pts behind & refusing corporate $$$.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:24 PM
Mar 2018

Yet, despite the long odds, he still kicked azz, all things considered. Hillary got her 2nd chance - deservedly so - after falling to a relative unknown Barrack Obama. Bernie's incredible showing against a political powerhouse most certainly earns him a second shot at the 2020 nomination... assuming he wants it.

If not, here's hoping Elizabeth throws her hat into the ring... she'd be AWESOME!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
195. The voters will decide.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:31 PM
Mar 2018

And they will want someone who is transparent with their finances and their health.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
286. 2016 - by a much greater margin than in 2008.
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 09:02 AM
Mar 2018

Trying to change the subject doesn't work very well for refuting a statement...

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
267. Warren stated that she is not running for Pres.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 11:19 PM
Mar 2018

She is running as Senator for MA and I will be voting for her.

Sorry that your dream team will not happen.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
84. Democrats can be susceptible to pie in the sky.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:11 AM
Mar 2018

Bernie has made a career out promising stuff he can’t deliver. Some people fall for that.

Zoonart

(11,849 posts)
128. Yep.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:54 AM
Mar 2018

The old addage is that "Democrats fall in love and Republicans fall in line". I fell in love with Bernie and voted for him in the primary, but was awaked from the spell when it became clear to me that he was selling magic beans and there was no plan behingd the rhetoric.

That''s when I went all in for Hillary and never regreted it.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
158. Good for you
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:36 PM
Mar 2018

I know many former Sanders supporters have seen the light like you have, but too many cling to the magic dust, thinking it will someday turn into something solid.

Thank you!

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
182. Friends who are Bernie supporters ...
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:30 PM
Mar 2018

Tell me that while they STILL support him/his ideals, they've fallen way off from supporting him like they used to--especially monetarily. A few also have told me that they've not been liking what they've been hearing reading about his wife Jane as well. She's been investigated or is being investigated for various thing, so we'll see how that plays out.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
234. My friends tell me the opposite. See how that works? :)
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:28 PM
Mar 2018

And to be honest I don;t know WHO should be the 2020 candidate? And do not have a favorite.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
240. My friends tell me the opposite. See how that works? :)
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:15 PM
Mar 2018

Totally

But Bernie would have to withstand some nasty/tough vetting this time time around (Plus this 3-inch thick dossier thuglicans have on him allegedly whatever that is). He'd have to release his taxes (My friends don't like the fact that he hasn't done that and wonder why he hasn't, plus only fatso is the only person who can get away with that since most in the press don't give a fudge about his taxes ), and if something does come of the investigations concerning his wife Jane, the media will focus on THAT instead of whatever it is thuglicans run for POTUS in 2020.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
287. Self awareness and critical thinking is indeed a gift
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 09:04 AM
Mar 2018

Demonstrations of the idea that one can change one's opinion based on new data is refreshing to hear.

lapucelle

(18,250 posts)
86. Actually, it is a great explanation.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:27 AM
Mar 2018

The parochial view of a limited demographic also explains why people like Trey Gowdy and Chuck Grassley win local elections.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
130. How very dismissive.... kinda like Bernie...
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:58 AM
Mar 2018

Here's the thing. Bernie got a lot fewer votes than Hillary. He did! Really! And there are places where the 6-1 ratio is flipped the other way. Have YOU ever reflected on why THAT is? You may dismiss the reasons, but if you're going to be snarky like this, be careful to ensure your standing in glass house before you throw that stone.

 

BoneyardDem

(1,202 posts)
219. Perhaps you could Google Bernie's party affiliation
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 07:10 PM
Mar 2018

.....rather than take the time to peddle JPR and Bernie talking points. I'm sure there are sites where he is welcomed as a winner rather than someone who lost the Primary of a party he insults, and the Party that rejected him by well over 3,000,000 votes.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
289. It's not like he invented these ideas
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 09:20 AM
Mar 2018

Universal health care, stronger banking regulation, affordable college and higher taxation on the wealthy aren’t radical democratic socialist ideas that challenge the structures of capitalism. They’re boilerplate offerings familiar to any social Democrat.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
246. Yeah.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:24 PM
Mar 2018

Where you grew up counted for how many votes in the entire primary exactly? If voters were trees, Bernie would won in a walk. Unfortunately for Bernie, the majority of voters were urban and Surburban, by a wide margin.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
282. PaulX2, SIX times the votes she did? Sorry, that's
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 10:57 AM
Mar 2018

simply not believable. Identify the precinct, please, so I can apologize for finding that claim an insult to my intelligence.

Cha

(297,150 posts)
14. I know.. And, what makes him think we should respect
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:18 PM
Mar 2018

those who still support the sexual predatory, Russian mole?

Me.

(35,454 posts)
19. You Mean Comrade Trump?
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:00 AM
Mar 2018

JUst to be perfectly clear as that description may cover more than just one.


Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
99. But not the Democratic party which wronged him...apparently. No only Republicans
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:55 AM
Mar 2018

deserve respect...not Democrats... hey Cha.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
179. Please for gods sake tell me Bernie did NOT just say he was CHEATED in the primary?
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:44 PM
Mar 2018

And we cant talk about it here?

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
218. So, it's okay to speak of Bernie in derogatory terms, referrin' to him as drunk, after all he's done
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:50 PM
Mar 2018

to support Democrats and Democratic ideals?! Seems kinda rude and ungrateful to me.

 

TheSmarterDog

(794 posts)
226. All... he's... done... ?
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:00 PM
Mar 2018

If he's such a Democrat with Democratic ideals, how come he's never even bothered to JOIN THE FUCKING PARTY?

Seems to me he's just an asshole who enjoys being outside the tent pissing in & fucking everything up. We need people willing to come inside the tent & piss out. Otherwise he's spoiler helping elect Republicans.

"Respect for Trump supporters" my ass.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
270. I do not agree saying he was drunk.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 11:39 PM
Mar 2018

I also do not agree with Bernie's constant trashing of the DEMOCRATIC party and the people here supporting said trashing.

Cha

(297,150 posts)
6. "Bernie blames Hilary for Allowing Russian Interference"
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:49 PM
Mar 2018

snip//

"Sanders repeatedly refused to say why he didn’t call out Russian involvement during the campaign. Clinton's campaign regularly raised suspicions of Kremlin-backed activity during the home stretch of the race."

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210272890

Where's the "respect", sanders?

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
7. No, Bernie. How about we reach out to real Democrats and make it easier for them to vote
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 10:52 PM
Mar 2018

You know, black and brown folk, the base of the party, who have been loyal as hell (even when insulted and ignored by people like you), have never turned on us and who will vote Democratic every time without having to be persuaded IF we just help them overcome the hurdles created by the people that Trump voters put into office.

But that would be "identity politics," so it doesn't work for you, right? So, you'd rather reach out to and talk to people who STILL support the despicable, racist president.

Please go away.

More_Cowbell

(2,191 posts)
8. Not his own party. There's no party for independents.
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:02 PM
Mar 2018

I agree that Trump voters are hurting. They've caused a lot more people to hurt. I'm not sure if talking to them nicely will help, but I am sure that attacking them won't.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
100. for sowing division among Democrats and urging respect for racist scum sucking Republican voters?
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:56 AM
Mar 2018

No thank you.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
149. If you recall, even your favorite, HRC, said that not all Trump supporters were deplorable
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:12 PM
Mar 2018

Remember these words:

"But the other basket -- and I know this because I see friends from all over America here -- I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas -- as well as, you know, New York and California -- but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well." ~HRC


aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
211. Lot of good that did us.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:36 PM
Mar 2018


We need more Americans to vote For Democrats across the country to win the WH and Congress.

It doesn't matter if we have 3 million more votes or 30 million more votes, we need to win the WH and congress.

onecaliberal

(32,826 posts)
272. Of you dont think it matters that millions more voted for us and we lost then youre missing the
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 12:38 AM
Mar 2018

Whole damn point.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
12. I am so sick of Bernie
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:08 PM
Mar 2018

and his constant attacking the Democratic Party. Note to Peggy Fikac: It's NOT HIS PARTY he's attacking. He is NOT A DEMOCRAT. He hates the Democratic Party. Fuck him.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
102. Me too...he is bitter and angry with the Democratic Party...he can't help himself.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:58 AM
Mar 2018

But to urge respect for Trump voters? They won't elect Democrats in Texas...it will be Democrats who come out and do that.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
13. Texas can go blue
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:09 PM
Mar 2018

is the actual headline. A positive thing.


But of course it has to be twisted into another hate thread.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
47. Good on you for speaking up and
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:50 AM
Mar 2018

pointing out what is obvious to anyone who doesn't already have a prejudice.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
105. His words were not twisted...the "I know something about that" makes me see red...and the continuing
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:03 AM
Mar 2018

attacks on the DCCC are unnecessary and perhaps spiteful. I actually voted for Sen. Sanders in 16 but as you can see that won't happen again in a primary...I would vote for the Democratic candidate (yes Sanders if he won the nomination) in the general.

hueymahl

(2,495 posts)
165. They cant let it go
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:07 PM
Mar 2018

Bernie could invent a cure for cancer and they would find a way to bring up the election.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
172. Not exactly
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:29 PM
Mar 2018

More like, someone else could invent a cure for cancer and some folks would claim that Bernie should get full credit for it because, until he spoke at a cancer awareness rally in 1998, no one cared anything about the disease.

hueymahl

(2,495 posts)
290. Fair point
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 02:47 PM
Mar 2018

Both his supporters and detractors have an outsized opinion of his importance (bordering on obsession by some).

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
16. Does he urge respect for Hillary supporters? Just asking, because it would make today's comment...
Fri Mar 9, 2018, 11:35 PM
Mar 2018

...a bit more meaningful.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
22. why wouldn't he? Why would he need to when most Sanders supporters actually voted for Clinton?
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:11 AM
Mar 2018

Was your post thought through? Was not Sanders himself officially a Clinton supporter? How much of this is everybody who hates Sanders creating their own reality and confirming it in an echo chamber? If that's not the case here, I'd love to hear your evidence for your insinuation that Sanders is okay with hating on Clinton supporters.

WhiteTara

(29,703 posts)
91. But the ones who continued with their attacks
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:41 AM
Mar 2018

were not counseled in the same way. If I am incorrect, please provide a link or even two if you'd like.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
143. again, the standard for such a statement would literally be him going out there
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:03 PM
Mar 2018

and telling people they need to have respect for him and ninety whatever percent of other Sanders supporters, since these people, when it mattered would have themselves been counted as Clinton supporters. He would have been lecturing to the exceptions and not the rule. I hardly think its the same thing, nor am I aware of a vocal criticism of Clinton supporters making the rounds in anywhere close to the way that people have taken up the chant of "deplorables."

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
227. "Thought through"? As a lifelong Democrat, it certainly was...
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:09 PM
Mar 2018

NOTE AFTER THE FACT: THIS IS MY ATTEMPT AT AN ANALYSIS OF WHERE BERNIE AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY DIVERGE, AND THE FACT THAT IT TAKES ME BACK TO THE PRIMARY SEASON DOES NOT MEAN I AM REFIGHTING ANYTHING; HE JUST CAME TO NATIONAL PROMINENCE THEN.

Bernie took advantage of our (Democrats') historical inability to tell friend from -- well, I wouldn't say "foe," but certainly our inability to recognize that not all Leftists are on board with core ideals of the Democratic Party. In his historically-based political philosophy, economic class distinctions trump absolutely all other concerns, which is why he lumps agitation about racism (Black Lives Matter) and women's full range of health (abortion rights) care etc etc etc into "identity politics." If economic justice is achieved, all else will automatically fall into place. (The record of political history shows this is probably not so, but then as a woman my analysis runs differently than his.)

Bernie was never a Democrat, until it suited him to run against one. Then he was. When he lost the primary election by millions of votes, he was dissatisfied with our choice, and took his own sweet time about either endorsing her or robustly campaigning for her. She was not only not his choice (he was), but she was imperfect in his eyes in so many other ways. She even won the popular vote in the general election by 3 million more votes than the orange "winner" got -- but she (and we) still lack that certain je ne sais quois.

Then he was not a Democrat any more. He will never be one again. His choice. And, true to form, in his eyes the Democratic Party and its adherents STILL lack that certain something, so he is going to spend the rest of his life telling us how to achieve perfection.

And that, JCanete, even includes telling us how to reach out to a tribe of racists and theocrats.

Personally, as a DUer who was here when discussions and info about Diebold waged white-hot, and as someone who understands the impact of the many voter-suppression techniques old and new, I have given these issues a LOT of thought. Those who agree with our core values are actually in the majority. I dearly wish that Bernie Sanders, while trying to bring about economic justice for all (including the racists and theocrats) would expend some of his abundant energy and rhetorical skills on fighting gerrymandering, vapor-trail electronic voting machines, suppressive voter ID laws, and all the other means by which the oligarchs and their helpers keep non-white non-GOP people from voting.

And that is how we can improve the lot of all Americans.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
276. They trump other concerns in mine too because all others are arrested by them. I'm sorry,
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 01:37 AM
Mar 2018

he's right there as far as I'm concerned. They entrench all others. Taking up the class war in a meaningful way could put people of otherwise divided demographics on the same page for once! That would do so much work to help erode those negative misconceptions people have of one another. It would make such nonsense antiquated...counter-productive. It would take so much wind out of the sails of those who have a vested interest in propagating such hateful messaging because it could be pointed to as the cynical tool that it is-- a tactic designed to pit the 99% against itself and sideline any effort towards a common good. Of course it would hardly do all of the work. It would simply let the work actually happen.

As to Sanders opinion on all those things you mention, I know for a fact he's talked about suppressvie voter id laws and that very impact and intention. It just isn't the only thing at issue. If you continue to attack the symptoms and not the virus, the virus is going to get you eventually.

I have no idea what you're talking about regarding Sanders somehow taking advantage(should I read exploiting?) some nonsense about Democrats not being able to tell friend from foe. That isn't what happened here, and if that was always Sanders thing, to try to be relevant by tapping into something or another then he wouldn't have been a mostly obscure Senator/congressperson from vermont for a large portion of his life. No, instead he has remained remarkably consistent whether his message has had anybody to resonate with or not over the decades. And in terms of ideology and policy, he's been remarkably on the right side of things, in my opinion, just about every time.

To my major beef with your original post though, nothing at ll that you just said justifies you claiming sanders feels some way about how Clinton supporters should be treated. That he doesn't care or thinks its cool for them to be trashed, nor is that even a phenomenon I'm aware of amongst Sanders supporters for the most part. It certainly has not had the wings that "deplorables" has had. You just made it up out of whole cloth. You think that he should address a non-phenomenon that makes no sense at all when you consider(as I tried to point out), that Sanders himself officially supported Clinton. I'm happy to hash out these other things with you, but come on, isn't there somehting disingenuous about that original post, or simply hasty based on a feeling you have about him versus any real justification for making such an odd comparisson, and can't we please, avoid going down that road of truthiness on these boards?

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
277. Your paragraph 1: Imagine I have wage parity. Ludicrous, I know. But just suppose...
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 02:49 AM
Mar 2018

What good will wage parity do me if I do not also have access to the full range of women's medical care? If I can't obtain contraception and get pregnant? If I can't get an abortion and stay pregnant? If I have children whether by choice or by chance, and I cannot get maternity leave? What good does economic redistribution do me if I cannot get time off when my kids are sick?

It goes on and on. I was at one time a single mother. I got the job with the best benefits I could, and in my town that was as a confidential secretary at the University of California. Since I worked in Personnel, I knew all the salaries. My salary was exactly the same as that of a groundskeeper. Just for shits and giggles, I checked a few years ago, long after my retirement. They're still the same. So that was my wage parity -- me with a bachelor's degree (and at UC they really expect that), and the groundskeepers who, gods bless them, don't really need to speak or read English. They run a lawnmower; I ran an office.

Suppose, just for example, that I was African American (I'm not). How the hell is economic redistribution going to solve the problem of my son being being at risk of being shot and killed at the age of 12 at a public playground by white cops, or shot and killed by at the age of 17 by some asshole who thinks he has to stand his ground because my kid is walking along in a hoodie drinking ice tea and eating Skittles.

These problems and others like them are the reason I am a Democrat. I needed better wages back then, gods know I needed better wages. But if a magic fairy wand somehow gave every person in this sad nation a living wage, I swear to you it would not solve either of the problem-sets I just detailed here. We are fighting systemic racism and we are fighting systemic sexism and we are fighting many other systemic problems right alongside the economic issues. It is not "identity politics" to say that classical Socialist theory is not the entire answer.





 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
278. Well Hekate, I said it wouldn't. I said it would take away some of the road-blocks so that
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 03:27 AM
Mar 2018

those problems could actually have a hope of being solved, because currently there is literally a financial incentive to feed hatred and mistrust in people and to get us to turn on ourselves, and until we channel that mistrust towards those who deserve it( the devil on one shoulder), and foster a grand message of mutual prosperity and common cause( the angel on the other), we will have little hope of dismantling that machinery that keeps churning out bigotry, and if we make headway for one group, another marginalized target will simply take its place as the scapegoat for whatever ills society has, because we have not inoculated the population against that poison. Getting us on the same side of an issue and making the rich the enemy of it...that's how you inoculate. (albeit, I'd prefer we humanize the rich too rather than to dust off the guillotines.., but making them an adversary in this cause is probably necessary.).

AND economic redistribution means there's still more money in otherwise oppressed communities. It means these people have a little bit more resources to fight for the causes that matter to them...just a little bit more bandwidth, maybe a little bit more time, nourishment...etc. That cannot be diminished in its value.

But just to be clear, none of those issues should be or need to be abandoned. They are made stronger with an economic message, not weaker. Showing the middle class that the poor is not the source of their woes is part of the work that needs to be done to get these voters to humanize who they once saw as their enemy(as just one basic example). Change the face of the enemy so that nobody gets their back up when you start eroding their misconceptions. Address those misconceptions by tying the propagation of such lies and caricatures, etc., appropriately, to the agendas of the moneyed elite. That takes the wind out of them. Not for everybody, but some...and we really only need some at first. A small percentage to come over and tip an election in our favor.




Cha

(297,150 posts)
56. he doesn't care about respect for Hillary Supporters..
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:14 AM
Mar 2018
"Bernie blames Hillary for Allowing Russian Interference"

"Sanders repeatedly refused to say why he didn’t call out Russian involvement during the campaign. Clinton's campaign regularly raised suspicions of Kremlin-backed activity during the home stretch of the race."

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210272890
 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
222. That article, as excerpted, does NOT support the claim
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 07:41 PM
Mar 2018

that Bernie blames Hillary for "allowing Russian interference," and frankly the extreme reach someone has to make to be able to make that claim is representative, to me, of pretty much all the rest of the reasons and rationale for the Bernie hating that goes on around here.

Cha

(297,150 posts)
224. I have plenty of reasons to dislike BS.. starting with
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 07:55 PM
Mar 2018

when he thought it would be a good idea to primary President Obama in 2012.. and it's gone way DOWN HILL since then.

Oh, and all this?.. Just one more thing he got Wrong.

Bernie Sanders blames Hillary Clinton for allowing Russian campaign meddling

http://www.mynbc5.com/article/bernie-sanders-blames-hillary-clinton-for-allowing-russian-campaign-meddling/18673015

Bernie Sanders Mirrors Trump, Blames Hillary Clinton for Not Combatting Russian Meddling, Denies It Helped His Campaign

http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-hillary-clinton-816239

Bernie Sanders blames Hillary Clinton for not stopping Russian election meddling


https://www.salon.com/2018/02/22/bernie-sanders-blames-hillary-clinton-for-not-stopping-russian-election-meddling/

Sanders: Clinton should have spoken up about Russian bots during election

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/374912-sanders-why-didnt-clinton-campaign-speak-up-about-russian-bots-during-2016

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
229. What bullshit
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:13 PM
Mar 2018

First, the "blames Hillary" charge is nice clickbait but is NOT supported by any of those. Rubbish journalism is what I'd call it.

Second, you can't do a thing about something you don't know anything about. NO ONE realized the extent to which the Russians were interfering at the time.


From The Hill article:

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Wednesday suggested Hillary Clinton’s campaign should have done more to notify the public that Russians were attempting to sow division during the 2016 presidential campaign.

In an interview with Vermont Public Radio, Sanders was asked why he did not warn his supporters leading up to the 2016 presidential election that Russian bots were attempting to sow division between him and Clinton by attacking Clinton on pro-Sanders social media forums.

"I did not know Russian bots were promoting my campaign," Sanders said. “In the midst of all of this, I was out campaigning very hard for Hillary Clinton. So, let me leave it at that."

Sanders said a member of his team did speak with the Clinton campaign in September 2016 to warn them of "strange things happening" on social media, but suggested his opponent’s campaign had more information about the nature of the attacks.

"If you and your campaign knew there was Russian meddling and it was trying to sow division, why not take that directly to your supporters?” radio host Jane Lindholm asked.

Sanders responded that the "real question to be asked" was why didn't the Clinton campaign do something.

"They had more information about this than we did. And at this point we were working with them,” Sanders said. “We knew what we knew, when we knew it. And that’s about all I can say."
 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
233. It's just factually incorrect. If that's fine with you, you've got a lot
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:23 PM
Mar 2018

of company among Trump supporters.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
106. Not once not ever...in fact both he and Trump have blamed Hillary for the Russian interference in
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:04 AM
Mar 2018

the 16 election.

Response to Hekate (Reply #16)

George II

(67,782 posts)
141. Or Democrats in general?
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:02 PM
Mar 2018

He spends more time telling Democrats how to act instead of telling his own people (Our Revolution) how to act.

BannonsLiver

(16,369 posts)
152. +1, Bernie cant stand obama either
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:16 PM
Mar 2018

The contempt he has for PBO is and has been obvious. Why, I don’t know, but I have a few ideas.

Cha

(297,150 posts)
225. Yeah, I was just posting to someone
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:00 PM
Mar 2018

who didn't seem to have a clue why BS was not liked by so many.

I said I had plenty of reasons.. starting with when BS thought it was a good idea to primary President Obama in 2012.

diva77

(7,640 posts)
21. The title of your post is misleading. A turn of phrase can change the entire meaning of original
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:09 AM
Mar 2018

statement. Here is what Bernie said, as per the article:

“Our job is to talk to people, people who voted for Trump, respectfully."


The title of the OP appears to be an effort to fuel the criticism against Bernie. It would be helpful to use the words that were stated in the article.

Stand and Fight

(7,480 posts)
25. The title is an accuarate summary of the quote.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:21 AM
Mar 2018

I see no attempt to “fuel criticism” of Sanders. He does that all himself.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
108. And what about this?
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:08 AM
Mar 2018

“Let me get a little bit personal here, having gone through a little bit of that myself. You want to know who the strongest candidate in that district is? Let the people of that district make that decision. "



The insinuation is that he was attacked by the Democratic Party also and 'understands'...I find that comment unacceptable.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
212. No, not technically, but he caucuses with Democrats, so that makes him 1 for all intents & purposes.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:39 PM
Mar 2018

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
235. BS made his choice. He was a Democrat for a short season only, then went back outside the tent...
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:29 PM
Mar 2018

...to continue criticizing us. His criticisms would have more weight if he were truly committed to improving the Democratic Party from inside. He's not.

George II

(67,782 posts)
239. Even before the convention convened he had already registered his re-election campaign committee...
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:01 PM
Mar 2018

....as an Independent.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
28. The people of America made their decision, Sanders, and it wasn't you
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:32 AM
Mar 2018

Hillary WON the primary by MILLIONS of votes, remember?

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
58. It's in the OP
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:35 AM
Mar 2018

“Let me get a little bit personal here, having gone through a little bit of that myself. You want to know who the strongest candidate in that district is? Let the people of that district make that decision. You want to know who the strongest candidate in the Democratic presidential primary is? Let the people of America make that decision, not a handful of people in Washington,” he said.

Cha

(297,150 posts)
59. What the holey hell is he going on
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:42 AM
Mar 2018

about? Trying to rewrite history?

The People of America DID DECIDE, BS.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
60. Absolutely, Cha! Gaslighting much? Say it enough times and peope will buy it?
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:46 AM
Mar 2018

Sorry, the math doesn't lie. There are almost FOUR MILLION easy to find facts which proves the truth

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
76. It's unfortunate that Russian bots are amplifying the same message.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:51 AM
Mar 2018

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that Bernie's ongoing complaint that some shadowy oligarchy stole the election from him is exactly the same message that Russian troll farms promoted.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
135. Yes! Now this explains the recycled conspiracy theories
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 11:28 AM
Mar 2018

being pushed so strongly here especially the last couple days. The Russia hack indictments heat up and they have to float more conspiracies that Bernie was the victim. Hillary was the victim.

lapucelle

(18,250 posts)
88. The people of America did make the decision.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:35 AM
Mar 2018

Has BS called upon Our Revolution to apologize for what it did to Sri Preston Kulkarni in Texas?

Has he called on Doug Beaton to resign from his leadership position in the Fort Bend county chapter of Our Revolution yet?

https://www.chron.com/news/politics/article/Sri-Preston-Kulkarni-congress-cocaine-fort-bend-12628329.php

KPN

(15,642 posts)
114. Really? What he said was rather statesman-like.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:25 AM
Mar 2018

What he said was nothing at all like some here prefer to interpret it as or spin it into.

Bernie is the Democratic Senate body appointed Chair for Outreach for a reason. To Outreach. That's what he is doing. Seems a lot better than throwing up walls. But I know, everyone who voted for a Trump or didn't vote is a racist, bigot, homophobe, misogynist deplorable.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
115. There was never any such thing before Sen. Sanders...and maybe the 'outreach person'
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:29 AM
Mar 2018

shouldn't hint that the 2016 nomination was stolen from him...I am done. I have bent over backwards to give him the benefit of the doubt but no more. He harms our electoral efforts with his ill advised comments.


“Let me get a little bit personal here, having gone through a little bit of that myself. You want to know who the strongest candidate in that district is? Let the people of that district make that decision. "

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
121. What does this mean? Show me where I have it wrong...seriously. I want to be wrong.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:39 AM
Mar 2018

“Let me get a little bit personal here, having gone through a little bit of that myself. You want to know who the strongest candidate in that district is? Let the people of that district make that decision."

KPN

(15,642 posts)
126. Means he felt a district he didn't get delegates
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:46 AM
Mar 2018

for may have been the/a result of Democratic Party putting their thumb on the scale as far as I can tell. Didn't say or mean the delegates were stolen from him.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
127. But people vote...and in the end that is what counted...but it is another explantation and I am
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:53 AM
Mar 2018

willing to consider it...you could be right, and if so I am being unfair. I hope you are right...benefit of doubt restored.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
191. And if it proves in the end that I am wrong
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:18 PM
Mar 2018

I will admit it and strive to be similarly gracious and credible. We all want dearly to win in 2018 and 20.

George II

(67,782 posts)
161. You've brought this up at least three times now. Do you understand what the his position is....
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:56 PM
Mar 2018

....and the function of that person?

KPN

(15,642 posts)
197. Really, three times. I wasn't aware.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:45 PM
Mar 2018

I'll most likely bring it up again, unless false accusations about what Sanders said or did while doing that job stop coming up. Yes, I do understand what the job entails as I mentioned in response to one of your responses to the other (apparently) two times I've mentioned his Democratic Party appointed role. Not sure that you do however.

back at ya and bye for now.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
146. His opinion? This is not a matter of opinion. It s a FACT that Hillary was the American people's
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:08 PM
Mar 2018

choice, beating him by receiving almost FOUR MILLION more votes than he did. That is a FACT, and implying otherwise is simply dishonest.

lapucelle

(18,250 posts)
241. Here are the words from his mouth:
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:14 PM
Mar 2018
“Let me get a little bit personal here, having gone through a little bit of that myself...You want to know who the strongest candidate in the Democratic presidential primary is? Let the people of America make that decision, not a handful of people in Washington.”


KPN

(15,642 posts)
193. He conceded, endorsed and supported Hillary ultimately.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:28 PM
Mar 2018

He has never said that Hillary won because of unfair rigging by the Democratic Party. He did say that he felt he didn't get some delegates he may have had the party not placed its thumb on the scale in some instances during the primary. He never said the primary was stolen. Substantial difference.

BannonsLiver

(16,369 posts)
154. Yes, that would be wonderful actually
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:20 PM
Mar 2018

But I find people with large egos have a great deal of trouble with that sort of thing.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
33. 2016?
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:04 AM
Mar 2018

I’m just guessing, but I supported his run back then on that DU poll, too. Now I’m older and wiser and want someone less polarizing and much more supportive of the Democratic Party.

Unity and winning matters to me now more than idealism. Been there, done that and I’m still wearing the hair shirt in penance for ever thinking it was a good idea that would open dialogues. As it turns out we are not even nearly as evolved as a culture as I thought. I was wrong.

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
64. Depends on how many returnees show up. Depends on what question is asked.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 04:30 AM
Mar 2018

For instance, if you ask a single question about a single person -- how many people "still have feelings" for Bernie (so to speak) he will very likely poll high. If you ask who would be a better president, Trump or Sanders, Grumpy Bernie will poll high.

But if you ask the reality-based question: given that Hillary Clinton won both the primary and the general elections by millions and millions of votes, who do you think would make the better president -- etcetera.

SHE WON.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
89. This isn't about a crusade for Bernie. Geesh.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:36 AM
Mar 2018

Why is it that when someone here defends Bernie, she or he gets told they belong at a site that is obviously loaded with anarchists and ultra left-wing nutjobs like JPR? It's insulting frankly.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
110. He talked alot...identity politics, negatively about Democrats and the Democratic Party...
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:10 AM
Mar 2018

It is not just here either.

LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
30. It is time for Bernie to retire if he doesn't think 45's supporters include racists and sexists.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 12:47 AM
Mar 2018

That might possibly be the dumbest political opinion I have read this week and there have been some whoppers this week, like every week of this presidency.

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
34. Yes Trump supporters are racists and sexists and xenophobes
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:08 AM
Mar 2018

Jesus Christ. How much clearer can they make it?

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
38. There are millions of left-leaning Americans who didn't
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:32 AM
Mar 2018

vote in the last election. Our leaders should talk to them, not the trash that voted for Trump.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
251. Trump happened.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:31 PM
Mar 2018

Many thought that Hillary would not need their votes. They did not know about Russian election meddling.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
39. Democrats that win did so because of Democratic Voters and New Voters
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:33 AM
Mar 2018

but not because of those that voted for Trump.

most who voted for trump will at best just not vote next time but most of them will not be voting for democrats. most still support him. it's why the republican congress isn't doing anything.

if those who voted for trump are actually good people who were misled then they already would have stopped supporting him and regret voting for him. but as we have seen most still support him.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
40. I know my opinion is unpopular here, but I think Bernie is right on who should decide
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:40 AM
Mar 2018

who the Democratic candidates are.

It should be the voters.

The party bureaucrats should stay out of it. They should serve the voters, not direct the voters. In the general elections, after the Democratic candidate has been chosen, then they can and should actively support that candidate. But until the voters have chosen a candidate, the party bureaucrats should stay out of the campaigns.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
147. All should have a voice. That includes est[r]ablished Democrats.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:10 PM
Mar 2018

But the established Democrats and the unestablished Democrats should compete on as even a playing field with regard to Democratic Party establishment support as possible.

I still think it is OK for the Party members to endorse a candidate.

I just think that up-starts or non-establishment candidates should have as equal a playing field as possible.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
215. I'm with you Sophia... couldn't have said it better. Can't believe anyone would disagree...
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:46 PM
Mar 2018

it's called DEMOCRACY!!

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
45. Your opinion is unpopular because it implies that the rest of us don't want that or that in the last
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:43 AM
Mar 2018

election the voters didn't decide. Neither one of those things is true.

HRC got 4 million more votes than Bernie. The party leaders didn't help her, nor could they have even had they wanted to.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
111. It is always the voters...the Democratic Party is not going to hop a plane and replace Texas
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:13 AM
Mar 2018

voters. And the Party should not stay out of elections, it is their job to field candidates who can win...I hope Fletcher prevails...because Moser won't win. I only hope some have not poisoned the election with division and as a result we lose this opportunity.

mcar

(42,302 posts)
137. How, exactly, did they "direct the voters"
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 11:50 AM
Mar 2018

My vote was my own. No Democratic Party leader was directing me or "putting their finger on the scale."

These are talking points that have no basis in reality.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
151. I would advise people to reach out and listen to a Bernie voter on that topic.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:14 PM
Mar 2018

That is the only way to heal the wounds on both sides of the subject.

See what people who disagree with you think.

I like Bernie, but I'm not an expert on the complaints that Bernie supporters have. I know some think that Democrats cheated, that the debate times were set up to make sure few people watched.

I think that Hillary didn't do nearly enough to reach out to Bernie supporters and perhaps even to Bernie after the nominating convention.

The rift in the Democratic Party needs to be healed.

And that is the job of the winner of the nomination and her supporters in this case. Sorry to have to say that, but when you win you have to console the loser(s). It's how things go.

mcar

(42,302 posts)
160. Certain voters have been repeating this tired talking point for some time
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:52 PM
Mar 2018

I've never seen any evidence to support the claim that their votes were "directed." Unless and until that is shown, I have no interest in discussing unfounded talking points with people who cannot accept that their guy lost - by 4 million votes.

Democrats did not cheat, the debate issue was nonsense and the rest is as well. Why would I want to discuss things with people that just are not true?

People are entitled to their own opinions, not to their own facts. I'd be happy to discuss facts with Bernie supporters. But I have no interest in discussing a person's "feelings" about such issues.

I won't even dignify the "Hillary didn't reach out to Bernie" canard with a comment.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
169. Reach out and talk about other issues like making college more affordable,
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:21 PM
Mar 2018

like insuring that elections are fair for all who want to participate, like how to make healthcare even more affordable for all, like racism, like caring about others, the issues that bring Democrats together.

You don't have to talk about accusations of unfairness in voting.

Talk about the shared values. Talk about good candidates for offices other than president.

Begin this conversation when you can.

Bernie campaigned for Hillary because when you come down to it liberals/progressives agree on so many, many fundamental values.

Try to begin the dialogue.

Don't be put off if the Bernie supporter responds with anger. There is a lot of hurt out there.

But if we really want to win in November and put our policies into law, we have to reconcile and get along and work together.

Those important goals should be what is most important to everyone.

mcar

(42,302 posts)
173. I am president of my local Democratic Women's Club
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:30 PM
Mar 2018

I'm involved with my local Democratic party. I'm working hard to elect Democrats here in Florida.

I support the Democratic Party platform. I would think anyone who calls themselves liberal or progressive would.

We are here. We are working to elect Democrats. I welcome anyone who shares those values.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
260. Sophia.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:46 PM
Mar 2018

You seem to be a good earnest person. But the people that you want to "reach out" are not the people that are advocating blowing up democrats in general races because those democrats were not "progressive" enough. If it was left up to the hardcore Bernie supporters, we would have Roy Moore as US Senator from Alabama, those supporters actually advised not voting, fortunately 97% of African Americans and 29% of Whites in Alabama did not listen.

Listening is a two way street, I see only one side issuing absolutes, that is Bernie supported Our Revolution.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
257. Debbie Wasserman-Scultz held my hand and marked
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:39 PM
Mar 2018

my vote for Hillary in the Florida primary. Then I was given a cookie for being a good democrat. Lots of people across Florida got cookies that day.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
273. So many vote for Hillary, they must have run out.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 12:52 AM
Mar 2018

I voted early because I knew Hillary cookies would go fast, a little birdie landed on my lectern and told me so.

Seriously, Hillary rolled Bernie by like 23% in Florida.

Cha

(297,150 posts)
280. While bashing the Democratic party...
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 08:32 AM
Mar 2018
“I have believed for a long time that the Democratic Party has not stood up as strong as it should for the working people of this country — we’re trying to change that,” Sanders said

http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/20180310/us-sen-sanders-rallies-in-lubbock-of-all-places

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1078&pid=38443

I will take the Democratic Party over BS anytime, anywhere.

Initech

(100,063 posts)
44. Um, no, fuck that.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:19 AM
Mar 2018

You can't respect these people. You can't reason with them. They are batshit fucking crazy. Sorry Bernie but I don't think you'll win very many fans on this.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
53. How to make a controversy out of nothing 101.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:03 AM
Mar 2018

Geesh. Can't get much more misleading and biased than this.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
61. I don't disagree with 1 thing said. He talks as an elder statesman should. No need for him to
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:47 AM
Mar 2018

dis Trump supporters, he knows what we all think of them and I'm sure he thinks something similar. He makes it a point to be like 'show respect, try to convince, etc' cuz there's no HARM in him saying that.

This sort of goodwill toward TX citizens, coming from someone SEEN as a 'liberal vanguard' ... serves our side well, honestly.

Those of you bent about any of THIS?

I just gotta disagree. Nothing bad about this IMHO.

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
77. Did you read the whole statement? He accused Hillary of stealing the election again.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 07:00 AM
Mar 2018

This divisive talk seems designed to lose elections for Democrats.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
83. This!
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:09 AM
Mar 2018

He still thinks that he would have won the primaries if the mean ile DNC hadn’t preferred a Democrat!

He’s delusional!

KPN

(15,642 posts)
101. No he didn't. You seem to have
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:57 AM
Mar 2018

extrapolated that out of what he said -/ unjustifiably. Bernie has never said that the primary was stolen from him. That is an outright falsehood. He has consistently said the DNC stacked the deck in HRCs favor -- which is a perception that even some of our party's leadership have shared.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
112. He said he understood unfair treatment because he experienced...what pray tell did he mean?
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:15 AM
Mar 2018

“Let me get a little bit personal here, having gone through a little bit of that myself. You want to know who the strongest candidate in that district is? Let the people of that district make that decision."

KPN

(15,642 posts)
113. He meant unfair treatment. Big difference between
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:20 AM
Mar 2018

that and the primary was stolen from him.

Don't you agree?

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
116. No, it is code for the primary was stolen...and that those in 'DC' made the decision.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:31 AM
Mar 2018

This is untrue and divisive.

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
176. How was Bernie treated unfairly?
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:38 PM
Mar 2018

He was allowed to run as a Democrat in our Democratic primaries, despite the fact that he's not a Democrat and constantly criticizes the Democratic Party.

Bernie was given a platform and space on the primary ballots in all 50 states. He won some states and lost others. In the end, Hillary got more votes.

I think that Bernie was very treated fairly by the Democratic Party.

Response to yardwork (Reply #176)

lapucelle

(18,250 posts)
244. The reporter who wrote the story drew the same inference
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:20 PM
Mar 2018
"The senator called it 'absolutely unacceptable' and drew a parallel to national Democrats’ efforts to thwart him in his primary battle with Hillary Clinton."

https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/politics/article/Bernie-Sanders-I-believe-that-Texas-can-go-12742060.php

Cha

(297,150 posts)
250. Oh it's Justified.. BS said this in the OP... Which is Wrong.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:30 PM
Mar 2018
“Let me get a little bit personal here, having gone through a little bit of that myself. You want to know who the strongest candidate in that district is? Let the people of that district make that decision. You want to know who the strongest candidate in the Democratic presidential primary is? Let the people of America make that decision, not a handful of people in Washington,” he said.

betsuni

(25,464 posts)
78. An "elder statesman" accusing Democrats and Planned Parenthood of being "establishment"
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 07:21 AM
Mar 2018

as if it were some sort of proof of non-progressive corruption is pretty rich. As an elder statesman, he is establishment. He seems to be showing more respect to Republicans than to Democrats and should think harder about this, in my opinion.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
63. How about this: a little calculated gentleness for Trump regretters?
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:58 AM
Mar 2018

Maybe this is nuts, but the Cartman/Heidi storyline in Season 21 of South Park pointed something out about human nature, and was brought home of course by having a character say "No, I think we're ALL dating Cartman right now."

But the more a person is attacked and called stupid for doing something as stupid as voting for Trump or dating an emotionally manipulate jackass, people dig in. They had a scene where Heidi's friends, who had all been begging her to leave Cartman, kept on and on dissing him even after she left him, which she ended up taking as an attack on her intelligence... and went back to Cartman.

Essentially, I have been leaving my Trump regretting friends to say what they dislike and why, and not berate them for voting for the jackass, and I'm not engaging non-regretters yet about it. If they start showing remorse, I just let them say it without saying "I told you so".

It's *totally* strategic. First, I live in a conservative area which means yes, I have conservative friends/family. I don't want to bang my head against the wall with those who don't yet realize their error and waste my breath. I also want them to feel like they CAN talk to me about their regrets. A few already have said it themselves that they were idiots for letting CDS make them vote for someone so wildly incompetent. I am hopeful more will.. And if they don't, well, I'm using my energies for more constructive things, like motivating Dems to register and vote.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
67. That's very reasonable, but Bernie has a legislative responsibility to make law
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 04:54 AM
Mar 2018

as well as win voters. It isn't always all about his freaking campaign. He needs to make it clear that what's wrong is wrong and should not be given aid and comfort.

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
74. I don't disagree with that part of what Bernie said.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:37 AM
Mar 2018

I strongly disagree with Bernie's implication that "a few people in Washington" stole the nomination from him. Hillary won the nomination because she got more votes from the people. Bernie is being a sore loser by bringing up the 2016 primaries over and over and implying that some "establishment" robbed him. It's dividing Democrats, which depresses turnout.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
65. Zero tolerance for the goon who appointed Jeff Sessions.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 04:46 AM
Mar 2018

That's what Bernie should be saying and that's ALL he should be saying.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
217. Bernie Sanders on Jeff Sessions: "I'm going to listen to what [he] has to say..."
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:50 PM
Mar 2018



He also says he's known Jeff for a long time. That I can believe. I haven't but what I've learned in the last six months is appalling. Yes he voted against him but so did 46 Democrats so he gets no points for that. Sessions is an out-an-out racist provocateur and opposing him at every turn -- like California and several other states are doing -- should be Bernie's #1 theme because what Sessions is trying to do is bring back the Jim Crow era or worse.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
263. That is why people that avidly support Bernie.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:54 PM
Mar 2018

Want open primaries. Most detest the principles of the Democratic Party and want to rip us apart. There are many progressive and good people who had or still are aligned with the ones that want to destroy us.

madaboutharry

(40,208 posts)
72. Bernie Sanders has never been a democrat.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:20 AM
Mar 2018

I am also sick of him and his whining about the election. He is an angry bitter man and his negativity is tiresome. No wonder his nickname in Washington is the Senate Scold.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
75. I can easily envision Jill Stein giving voice to most of his remarks...
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:50 AM
Mar 2018

And therein lies the problem.

Shamelessly ruffling down the feathers of Trumpskyites is pretty much unnecessary, unless one is trying woo votes from an ideological bloc that’s somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan. Hmmm...

DFW

(54,345 posts)
93. One out of three. I guess batting .333 isn't too bad--if this were baseball.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:44 AM
Mar 2018

"You want to know who the strongest candidate in that district is? Let the people of that district make that decision."

I couldn't agree more!
-----------------------------

"You want to know who the strongest candidate in the Democratic presidential primary is? Let the people of America make that decision......"

NO! That is self-serving crap to rationalize your primary run and forcing the DNC to let it happen under their nose and auspices. Let the members of the DEMOCRATIC Party make their own decision about the DEMOCRATIC candidate. Not Republicans. Not Independents. Not temporary Democrats-for-convenience, either.
-----------------------------

With regard to battling Trump, Sanders urged respect when people who oppose the president talk to his supporters.

“Our job is to talk to people, people who voted for Trump, respectfully. I do not believe that in Texas, or any place else, that most people who supported Trump are racists or sexists or xenophobes,” Sanders said.

You don't? When is the last time you spent a few weeks in Texas talking to Trump voters? Don't bother answering that. I know the answer, because I was in Texas in January, and have talked to a few Trump voters. They were either racists, sexists or xenophobes, and usually some combination of two or all three. I DID talk to them respectfully, which more than they deserved (and more than I got from them).

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
95. This is why although I voted for Sanders in the Ohio primary, I will never vote for him in
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:50 AM
Mar 2018

any future primary...the general sure...but he is unlikely to win a Democratic Primary... and should not be permitted to enter one.

“Let me get a little bit personal here, having gone through a little bit of that myself."

Really, I guess you should remain an independent and not run for the Democratic nomination in 20 and risk 'going though it again'. Sen. Sanders is dividing the Democratic electorate with such ill advised words (why), and we could lose the Texas General because of it/ consider, if Moser loses, some may refuse to vote for Fletcher (sound familiar?)...and if she wins the primary, I don't think she can win that seat. I don't think the DCCC handled this matter badly but it is not a conspiracy...they just don't think Moser can win, and I think they are correct.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
97. So it is just fine to attack the Democrats and hint that you 'was done wrong' but Trump
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:53 AM
Mar 2018

supporters need 'respect'...Okay that makes absolutely no sense.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
129. You got that right!
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:57 AM
Mar 2018

Fuck all the assholes who imposed that evil bastard on the USA and the world!

You are either 100% against fascism and racial hatred or you are 100% with it! Its time to crush these MFers once and for all and if ANY pol wants to slip in between the two sides, he or she is on the side of EVIL as far as I'm concerned!

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
125. Oh sure the trumpers want to talk respectfully to POC too . Seen a lot of signs of that Bernie ?
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:42 AM
Mar 2018

They DID want real change I will agree with you there Bernie . We are seeing it everyday

Yes Bernie that is why there are so many white supremacists in the White House now
and why the WH is pulling out of climate change forums , removing environmental restrictions , trying to stop peaceful acts against police violence and promoting propaganda that it's really about hating the military, destroying any advancements Obama made and giving tax cuts instead of services .

Trump is thier real change desired by playing to hateful violent racists, advocating Muslim bans , demonizing immigrants and pushing Christian religion into government .

That was the trump campaign and they pulled the lever .
They will only be sorry that not enough of what he does benefits them personally if sorry at all
MAGA Bernie
He does not even talk respectfully about the Democratic party but some how the trump voters will vote for them when his socialist revolution comes about

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
201. Everyone deserves a 2nd chance. Never would say Hillary's time had passed after she lost to Obama...
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:23 PM
Mar 2018

No, just as she had every right to run again - and managed to secure the nomination - Bernie should be afforded that same option.

Joediss

(84 posts)
134. No respect here
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 11:16 AM
Mar 2018

Live and raised in northeast Texas , believe me ,these God damn racists homophobes don't deserve any respect . In a doctor office yesterday, there was a couple of trumpers talking about how much they like bill O'Reilly , and couldn't figure out how come he wasn't on any more. They are not for anything, they just hate dems.

BannonsLiver

(16,369 posts)
157. Bernie: we must respect America hating fascists and racists.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 01:25 PM
Mar 2018

I’ll take a hard pass on that one, Bernie.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
163. As far as I'm concerned, Bernie Sanders can take a seat.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:04 PM
Mar 2018

He made a try for the White House and failed at the primary level. He retains his Senate seat, and that's just fine with me. He is a reliable vote with the Democratic Caucus there.

However, he has returned to his Independent status, following the 2016 election. He is welcome to that status, but is less welcome, in my opinion, to pontificate on Democratic Party issues.

I like Bernie Sanders for who he is and what he represents. But, he doesn't represent me in Democratic politics. Not much at all. I wish he'd sit down and be an Independent Senator again. He needn't meddle in Democratic Party choices, I think.

onetexan

(13,036 posts)
164. At his age Bernie should be content sitting on his porch rocker and yell at kids walking on his yard
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:06 PM
Mar 2018

he shouldn't be speaking on behalf of Democrats. He is not a Democrat. Most of us don't want a hypocritical candidate masking as a Dem then say he's not one after the election.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
166. Oh FFS...
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:10 PM
Mar 2018

The people of America did decide the strongest candidate in the Democratic Presidential primary.

It wasn't you, Bernie.



Sid

 

FreeStateDemocrat

(2,654 posts)
171. Sanders occupies an insular world of wealth, power and privilege, not living with these MFers!!!
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:24 PM
Mar 2018

Most of us have to deal with them on a daily basis, while he has security people to keep PINO's crazies away from any personal interaction. No matter how much destruction PINO and his minions unleash, he'll still be living the good life far away from the maddening hordes, so shut the fuck up and/or just go away.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
178. BErnie cant really be saying he was cheated in the primary? Are we allowed to talk about
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 02:43 PM
Mar 2018

the GARBAGE he just said?

jesus fucking KRIST

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
181. The Democratic Party fucked up in allowing Sanders to run as a Democrat
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:10 PM
Mar 2018

This should have never been allowed to proceed. I say this as a Sanders supporter and voter during the primaries. It seems they were Ok with the thought of having "controlled opposition" to help drum up support from progressives who identified with Sander's message. A safe fringe token candidate who wouldn't go far so was the general belief in those early days. Well the DNC, as always, misread their voters and he gained traction in an unanticipated way.

Now all I hear is sour grapes and regret. Bernie should go away. Blah blah blah. Well actions have consequences and the DNC opened the Pandora's box. I would respect the DNC more if they moved decisively to exclude him from any Democratic Party role. But until they do, he is here and here to stay.

In regards to respect for Trump supporters, well to hell with that. A supporter of Trump to me is an enemy of my values. A person who voted for Trump but not a supporter? Maybe there is some hope for that person, maybe they can be reached and deserve a modicum of respect but don't expect me to go out of my way for that Bernie.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
265. I don't agree that the party made a mistake letting him run.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 11:10 PM
Mar 2018

And won't make a mistake letting him run in 2020. What the party did not anticipate was that Bernie would be sore if he lost, which he was and still seem to be. He did not help Hillary much at all, his latest comments should make WHY clear to anyone that claims he did help her.

I am concerned that if Bernie is in the primary in 2020 and Biden, or Harris, or Gillibrand, or Kennedy, or Warren soundly beat him, we may see a replay of the 2016 democratic convention, but I just pray that the sane progressives that did not vote because they thought Hillary had it, make it a point to vote in the 2020 General, eliminating any
need to rely on the Sarandon-West type of thinkers.

Gothmog

(145,129 posts)
183. Going after trump supporters is a waste of time
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:35 PM
Mar 2018

We need to concentrate our efforts on groups who will vote for Democrats. Deplorables are a waste of time

Gothmog

(145,129 posts)
186. Not quite but Texas is majority minority
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:58 PM
Mar 2018

We have significant African American and Asian communities that when added to Latino voters make Texas a majority minority state.

According to Paul Begala, Texas is not a red state but a non-voting state. The increased turnout in the Texas primary was an encouraging sign of Texas moving toward blue.





As younger voters become a large percentage of the electorate, Texas will turn blue


Cha

(297,150 posts)
188. Yes.. Texas needs to GOTV of DEMS!
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 04:08 PM
Mar 2018

Texas needs to be a Voting State, stat!

Thank you for those charts and tweets denoting the gradual increase of young Dems' Voting.

Gothmog

(145,129 posts)
189. There are a good number of strong Democrats working hard to turn Texas blue
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 04:13 PM
Mar 2018

It is not fun but we will succeed at some point.

Cha

(297,150 posts)
190. And, you're one of them, Goth!
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 04:23 PM
Mar 2018

Muchas Gracias for all ya'll's perseverance, dedication, and persistence!

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
184. I don't disagree with him on the subject of needing to talk to at least some Trump supporters
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:37 PM
Mar 2018

There are some who aren't reachable of course, but just like not everybody in Germany, not even every Nazi had hated Jewish people prior to the rise of Hitler, or after the fall of Hitler, people have the capacity to learn to hate and to unlearn it. If you want to convince somebody that Trump is wrong, you probably aren't likely to convince them by saying they must be racist, sexist, xenophobic etc.

But he really needs to give up the nonsense about the Democratic party screwing him. He lost the primaries by a substantial margin. Those votes weren't faked. He lost because the vision he had was less popular than the one Clinton had.

Cha

(297,150 posts)
258. No, he isn't.. I've seen it.. so don't tell me
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:45 PM
Mar 2018

BS is like President Obama.. they are Light Years apart.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
243. Bernie.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:20 PM
Mar 2018

Democratic voters picked the strongest candidate in the democratic primary in 2016. Hillary wiped your ass soundly, no one in Washington held the hand of primary voters and forced them to vote for Hillary.

Response to dalton99a (Original post)

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
264. It's impossible for me to express
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:56 PM
Mar 2018

how little I care about what Bernie urges. I can't stand listening to him and seeing that scolding finger waving.

Cha

(297,150 posts)
279. This is the ilk we're suppose to show respect..
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 08:22 AM
Mar 2018


Those idiots behind the creep cheering on his bile laced face.

I know what you mean, Riff.. and we are so not alone.

Cha

(297,150 posts)
283. When you see people cheering at this rally despite obvious lunacy and hatred this man spews,
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 08:08 PM
Mar 2018


No Respect for these assholes.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
288. Respect is not automatic....it is earned.
Mon Mar 12, 2018, 09:11 AM
Mar 2018

What have Trump supporters done to earn any respect from anyone??

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