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Whoa! Cohen not licensed in California?: (Original Post) Kingofalldems Mar 2018 OP
....... dhol82 Mar 2018 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author dhol82 Mar 2018 #2
Oh pls pls pls pls!!!! nt Leghorn21 Mar 2018 #3
See? janx Mar 2018 #7
Yep, I sure do! Good times, my friend, good times!! Leghorn21 Mar 2018 #16
Serious question: does it matter when going before an arbitrator? marylandblue Mar 2018 #4
not if you are dishonest Angry Dragon Mar 2018 #9
I mean is legally considered unauthorized practice of law? marylandblue Mar 2018 #11
That's a good point, but I think the better point is how he is involved in the case ProudLib72 Mar 2018 #20
Hes got his own lawyer- and I think its time for *him* to lawyer up! LOL bettyellen Mar 2018 #21
That's what I remember hearing, Cohen had his own lawyer ProudLib72 Mar 2018 #33
Google it. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #34
Obnoxious. Codeine Mar 2018 #38
Stormy's new attorney is pretty sharp. I hope he has a field day. dem4decades Mar 2018 #5
Much of the complaint he filed is legal nonsense. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #31
I think this is in fact a PR move marylandblue Mar 2018 #36
Obviously a problem if he was representing Donnie, but in theory he was representing himself. unblock Mar 2018 #6
He doesn't seem to be too worried about ethics and laws. bitterross Mar 2018 #8
Thats what I thought, but why did he have to mortgage his own house for the money? Gabi Hayes Mar 2018 #24
Have we seen any proof he actually mortgaged his own house? bitterross Mar 2018 #37
wouldn't that mean the arbitration is null and void gopiscrap Mar 2018 #10
You have to be a licensed qualified attorney here in California Iliyah Mar 2018 #13
So which was it? triron Mar 2018 #15
What if he is the client? NCTraveler Mar 2018 #22
Would Cohen know that? Iliyah Mar 2018 #12
Dirty Donnie Dotard* hired a dummy Achilleaze Mar 2018 #14
So what does this mean for trump's Cha Mar 2018 #17
I don't really know. Kingofalldems Mar 2018 #19
A arbitration is considered a mini trial usually outside of a court room. Iliyah Mar 2018 #18
How can there be arbitration if the other party is excluded? Gabi Hayes Mar 2018 #26
I don't know the full extent of Iliyah Mar 2018 #29
The CA State Bar attorney search engine does not list a Michael Dean Cohen. mulsh Mar 2018 #23
Then that's one state where he's not in danger of losing his license. gibraltar72 Mar 2018 #25
Do not know Ca law, but in other jurisdictions there OldHippieChick Mar 2018 #27
Here's a link to the CA Law pertaining to "pro hac vice" mulsh Mar 2018 #28
Thanks. That is exactly like other jurisdictions, so I doubt any OldHippieChick Mar 2018 #30
Is he barred anywhere? He went to Cooley. sharedvalues Mar 2018 #32
Oh My Hekate Mar 2018 #35
This just gets better and better, doesn't it? RandomAccess Mar 2018 #39

Response to Kingofalldems (Original post)

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
11. I mean is legally considered unauthorized practice of law?
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 04:06 PM
Mar 2018

It might not be in California, since it isn't the same as going before a judge. And the laws in this may vary by state.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
20. That's a good point, but I think the better point is how he is involved in the case
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 04:36 PM
Mar 2018

I would think that, even if he were barred in CA, the extent to which he is involved (with creating the LLC, making the payments, etc), he really ought not to be the lawyer representing tRump in this case. In fact, he should probably have his own lawyer.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
33. That's what I remember hearing, Cohen had his own lawyer
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:11 PM
Mar 2018

But Cohen shouldn't be representing The Don in this case anyway. It's like a matryoshka doll: Don has a lawyer; look closer and that lawyer has a lawyer; and that lawyer will have a lawyer of his own. At some point someone needs to just say "Stop, put them all in prison for life!"

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
38. Obnoxious.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 07:13 PM
Mar 2018

Assuming you have valid information it seems more conducive to discussion to share that knowledge, rather than make a snide comment about Googling.

Ms. Toad

(34,055 posts)
31. Much of the complaint he filed is legal nonsense.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:03 PM
Mar 2018

He might have good PR sense (and it is possible that he has better legal saavy than the complaint demonstrates), but I'm having a field day with the complaint itself in my bar skills course - it is a goldmine of gibberish.

Just as a simple example - the lack of a signature NEVER makes a contract void. Writing and signatures relate to enforcement, not to the underlying validity of the contract (whether the contract is void).

As to enforcement, most contracts don't have to be in writing at all, let alone signed. If a signature is required, it is the signature of the party "against whom enforcement is sought." Stormy's posture is that she is looking for a declaration she is not bound by the contract - in other words, she is the party against whom enforcement sought. And she signed the agreement. From an enforcement against her standpoint, it would make no difference whether he signed it.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
36. I think this is in fact a PR move
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:48 PM
Mar 2018

The point is not to win a judgement, but to force Trump to admit that the contract exists and he is a party to it.

And I think some wealthy Democratic donor is financing the whole thing.

unblock

(52,163 posts)
6. Obviously a problem if he was representing Donnie, but in theory he was representing himself.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:54 PM
Mar 2018

Or himself dba essential consultants llc. Donnie was a different party to the agreement.

If Cohen was a party to a tripartite agreement, he couldn’t also represent another party to the same agreement anyway.

That said, the arbitration would have had to be done on behalf of Cohen/essential consultants and not Donnie.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
8. He doesn't seem to be too worried about ethics and laws.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 03:58 PM
Mar 2018

I hope he's put away a lot of money from 45 in the past. Cohen may be loyal to 45 but I don't see it working both ways. 45 will dump him like a hot rock if he thinks it's best for himself.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
24. Thats what I thought, but why did he have to mortgage his own house for the money?
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:42 PM
Mar 2018

Is he leveraged to the point of Trump himself, as his little daughter said on TV 15 years ago.....

8 billion dollars less wealthy than the homeless guy on the street in fron of Trump Tower NYC?

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
37. Have we seen any proof he actually mortgaged his own house?
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 06:50 PM
Mar 2018

I'm not sure I believe anything he's said.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
13. You have to be a licensed qualified attorney here in California
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 04:15 PM
Mar 2018

to represent a client at arbitration as his/her attorney. Mediation, no.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
22. What if he is the client?
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:35 PM
Mar 2018

I believe one is always able to represent themselves. Not that that’s what happened here.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
18. A arbitration is considered a mini trial usually outside of a court room.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 04:31 PM
Mar 2018

You can have permissible evidence introduced at arbitration as legal evidence, expert witnesses and witnesses. The arbitrator is like a judge and will decide the fate of the hearing pro or negative or both. If the arbitration is binding, whatever the outcome is it's final. Either way, a person who represents clients that is not licensed to practice law in the State of California is considered invalid.

If Cohen represented his client in a Mediation, which also is like a mini trial, it doesn't matter if he is licensed or not as long as he advise the mediator and the other side.

An binding arbitration carries a whole lot of weight.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
29. I don't know the full extent of
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:49 PM
Mar 2018

what went on with Cohen and his client. Basic California Arbitration what I mentioned above.

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
23. The CA State Bar attorney search engine does not list a Michael Dean Cohen.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:39 PM
Mar 2018

I did searches of four current CA attorneys and five deceased attorneys. I was able to find all of them as soon as I pushed the button.

have a search if you like:

[link:http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/MemberSearch/QuickSearch?FreeText=Michael+Dean+Cohen&SoundsLike=true&SoundsLike=false|J

(edited to report the above search results)

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
27. Do not know Ca law, but in other jurisdictions there
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:44 PM
Mar 2018

is a practice known as "pro hac vice" where an attorney from another state can be vouched for by a local attorney for one case only and allowed to practice.

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
30. Thanks. That is exactly like other jurisdictions, so I doubt any
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 05:55 PM
Mar 2018

law was violated so long as this statute was followed.

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