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lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:35 PM Mar 2018

Do you think that the next Dem Candidate for POTUS should show his/her full tax returns?

I do. I think that for 2020 is more important than ever. I will show a contrast with trump, who refuses to show his.

It will show honesty, transparency and that our candidate has nothing to hide.

I feel so strongly about this that I think it should be required by law, but even if it isn't, candidates should volunteer the information out of decency and honesty. The American people deserve full disclosure from the candidates

ETA: Just to be clear, I think the candidate should release their tax returns during the primaries. Voters need to know from the start who they are voting for.

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Do you think that the next Dem Candidate for POTUS should show his/her full tax returns? (Original Post) lunamagica Mar 2018 OP
Yes. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #1
YES Iliyah Mar 2018 #2
Yes... Mike Nelson Mar 2018 #3
Yes. Salviati Mar 2018 #4
Of course! FULL TAX RETURNS just Like our last Cha Mar 2018 #5
Frankly, the only way republi-CONS can win, anymore, is by cheating. calimary Mar 2018 #16
Two Heinous CHEAT COUPS! Cha Mar 2018 #22
I agree 100%, luna. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #6
I think our nominee should. shanny Mar 2018 #7
I meant the candidates starting from the primaries. Voters deserve to know lunamagica Mar 2018 #8
I thought you meant that. A candidate shouldn't have anything to hide. George II Mar 2018 #9
I thought I was clear, but perhaps it is not clear to some. I edited the OP for clarity lunamagica Mar 2018 #10
yes, long before the first primary. getagrip_already Mar 2018 #11
Day one. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #21
The attorney for Stormy Daniels, Michael Avenatti, summed it up perfectly the other day. calimary Mar 2018 #12
Boom! sheshe2 Mar 2018 #30
Excellent, calimary.. I shall pass it Cha Mar 2018 #67
Yes Progressive dog Mar 2018 #13
Yes! n/t Tarheel_Dem Mar 2018 #14
Yes! Heartstrings Mar 2018 #15
yes, 100% Exotica Mar 2018 #17
Yes. Beginning this year, even if they are rumored to be DonViejo Mar 2018 #18
Yes! nt jrthin Mar 2018 #19
Only if they want to. RB TexLa Mar 2018 #20
I can't think of any reasons that they'd not want to. George II Mar 2018 #23
Neither can I. Blue_true Mar 2018 #27
show me the money. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #31
Absolutely, should be upon filing to run in primary SCantiGOP Mar 2018 #24
Yes, absolutely. nt Maven Mar 2018 #25
Yes. Blue_true Mar 2018 #26
No LovingA2andMI Mar 2018 #28
Nope. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #34
Yeah, let them hide their Cha Mar 2018 #66
Shouldn't we make it a legal requirement? Hortensis Mar 2018 #68
Duh...but believe it or not some will disagree. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #29
Duh. It will be a law in 2019 american_ideals Mar 2018 #32
Oh will it? "Duh" Cha Mar 2018 #39
If we turnout in big numbers in 2018- yes! american_ideals Mar 2018 #42
Oh Yes! GOTV! Cha Mar 2018 #43
I think some states are rumoured to make it a state law? mwooldri Mar 2018 #49
It's in the works in 17 states, as I understand it. summer_in_TX Mar 2018 #58
I hope it is by LAW, soon! No more dirty money! If it's inherited, I want to know! vkkv Mar 2018 #33
YES leanforward Mar 2018 #35
I'd rather see the party stop selecting rich white people pecosbob Mar 2018 #36
They need to show their tax returns. No NOT Cha Mar 2018 #41
I don't know if your post is serious, Jamaal510 Mar 2018 #59
That sure is a broad brush you are painting with, pecosbob. brer cat Mar 2018 #61
".....stop ratfucking progressive candidates i.." You have Cha Mar 2018 #63
Absolutely. lapucelle Mar 2018 #37
Yes. And super pacs too. All pacs. All nonprofits that do a shred american_ideals Mar 2018 #44
That's a big fault of the system. If someone gives $50 it doesn't have to be itemized. Then.... George II Mar 2018 #62
yes ! stonecutter357 Mar 2018 #38
Yes Master_Monstruwacan Mar 2018 #40
Yes n/t PatrickforO Mar 2018 #45
Absolutley! Wounded Bear Mar 2018 #46
Transparent. 2/5, no lulz. KTM Mar 2018 #47
ALL CANDIDATES!!! BigmanPigman Mar 2018 #48
Yes yuiyoshida Mar 2018 #50
It should be a requirement for all candidates SHRED Mar 2018 #51
They should challenge Trump on the issue by offering to release theirs if Donald cstanleytech Mar 2018 #52
Yes, Before the primary and include their spouses. nt Tavarious Jackson Mar 2018 #53
Yes. Whatever the norm has been (before the Russian puppet). nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2018 #54
Full tax transparency for both Republican, Democratic, and Independent candidates YOHABLO Mar 2018 #55
Every candidate. Not just the Democratic. left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #56
Of course. No question. nt Susan Calvin Mar 2018 #57
YES! Banks insist on it before they lend money. We should before we lend power over our lives! SunSeeker Mar 2018 #60
Absolutely! mcar Mar 2018 #64
Yes. I dont want to be like them. ooky Mar 2018 #65
And be transparent on their health. ehrnst Mar 2018 #69
It should be required by law. murielm99 Mar 2018 #70
Yes, it should be part of the Cha Mar 2018 #72
Yes Gothmog Mar 2018 #71

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
4. Yes.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:45 PM
Mar 2018

I think all the candidates up for the nomination should release their tax returns right from the start, before the first primary.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
5. Of course! FULL TAX RETURNS just Like our last
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:46 PM
Mar 2018

Democratic candidate for POTUS turned it.. who got CHEATED out by the Russians and all their GD enablers.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
16. Frankly, the only way republi-CONS can win, anymore, is by cheating.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:05 PM
Mar 2018

That's how they got bush/cheney into the White House, too.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
6. I agree 100%, luna.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 08:49 PM
Mar 2018

If you want transparency in the government then you need to be transparent yourself. I have no clue why any politician that seeks the office of the Presidency would withhold that information. Voters need to know. That is a fact.

After trump. I think Congress needs a whole new set of vetting rules for the highest office in the land. What we got with trump is a man that uses the treasury as his personal piggy bank.

Never again.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
12. The attorney for Stormy Daniels, Michael Avenatti, summed it up perfectly the other day.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:02 PM
Mar 2018
"People who have nothing to hide - hide nothing."

I thought that was such a great comment that I wrote it down to make sure I wouldn't forget it.

Kinda bottom-lines it, 'eh?

Cha

(297,154 posts)
67. Excellent, calimary.. I shall pass it
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 09:03 AM
Mar 2018

on!

Mahalo!

The attorney for Stormy Daniels, Michael Avenatti, summed it up perfectly the other day.

"People who have nothing to hide - hide nothing."

 

RB TexLa

(17,003 posts)
20. Only if they want to.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:12 PM
Mar 2018

I'm not above using it against trump but I don't believe anyone has to if they don't want.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
27. Neither can I.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:32 PM
Mar 2018

At least no logical reason. I lost an audit with the IRS and had to pay back taxes and penalties. But both me and the IRS treated my mistake as an honest mistake. If I ran for office (after falling and hitting my head), I would have no issue releasing my taxes and explaining them.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
34. Nope.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:56 PM
Mar 2018

They want to run then they are transparent to the American people they wish to represent. trump is a perfect example of why we need transparency. trumpo has proven to America why this needs to happen. He is using the US Treasury and taxpayers monies as his personal piggy bank and has prove to be a grifter. You want this to happen again? Are you alright with what Don and his family is doing.

I want to see his taxes and others that seek office every Fugging year just like the IRS requires. Show us the money.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
66. Yeah, let them hide their
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 09:00 AM
Mar 2018

sneaky shite like trump.. wth do we care, eh?

The attorney for Stormy Daniels, Michael Avenatti, summed it up perfectly the other day.

"People who have nothing to hide - hide nothing."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10340117

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
68. Shouldn't we make it a legal requirement?
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 09:16 AM
Mar 2018

We now know that corruption, both political and monetary, has grown ferociously. Russia exports corruption with specific intent to undermine other nations. A quadrupling of planetary wealth has been used to institutionalize corruption through our own laws, which we MUST get under control.

And if we don't make it a legal requirement, shouldn't the financial backgrounds of all candidates be open for scrutiny anyway and refusal to disclose at very least cause frowns and long, cool looks from the electorate?

Just for perspective: 30 years of Hillary Clinton's returns are released for public information. Bizarre or what that it's HER name that's been smeared as synonymous with corruption while others hide their pasts?

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
29. Duh...but believe it or not some will disagree.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:41 PM
Mar 2018

Anyone who does NOT should not get a SINGLE vote from anyone claiming to be a liberal.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
49. I think some states are rumoured to make it a state law?
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:51 PM
Mar 2018

I can't cite sources right now but I think California and maybe New Jersey were trying to make it a requirement for a Presidential candidate to have released tax returns to be on the ballot. After all, it is a state thing.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
33. I hope it is by LAW, soon! No more dirty money! If it's inherited, I want to know!
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:52 PM
Mar 2018

If it's earned honestly, I want to know!

If it's married money, I want to know!

pecosbob

(7,537 posts)
36. I'd rather see the party stop selecting rich white people
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:57 PM
Mar 2018

The other party has that gig all wrapped up. Dems are supposed to be the party of the working stiff. Rich people tend to big defenders of the status quo in my experience. Tax avoidance by off-shoring corporate funds in a tax shelter is so common that a corporation repatriating money becomes a news story. Rich people are for some reason lothe to have their finances examined in public. May have something to do with most of them being having little or no ethics, scruples or morals...and the fact that most of them are likely to be cheating on their taxes. So this time around let's not annoint another rich white corporate-friendly candidate...'kay? That's a shot across the Democratic Party's bow if you didn't catch it...stop ratfucking progressive candidates in favor of more of the same rich a**holes that think it's okay to drop a cruise missile on an Afghani goat herder or for Monsanto to force-feed us all Round-Up.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
59. I don't know if your post is serious,
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 11:32 PM
Mar 2018

"So this time around let's not annoint(sic) another rich white corporate-friendly candidate...'kay?

but this point right here essentially implies that the party should buck the choice of a majority of its voters next time. In 2016, one candidate did overwhelmingly better with appealing to non-White Democrats, and ultimately won by over 3M votes fair-and-square.

brer cat

(24,560 posts)
61. That sure is a broad brush you are painting with, pecosbob.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 12:06 AM
Mar 2018

If you went back in time, you would be eliminating some fine Democratic Presidents. No thank you for your very bigoted opinion.

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
37. Absolutely.
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 09:57 PM
Mar 2018

I'd also like to see the FEC institute mandatory disclosure of the source of all campaign donations, including small dollar donations. What's to stop multiple Russian bots from funneling money to friendly Republicans by clicking on a $10 donation button 24/7 for days or weeks at a time? I'm sure that honest candidates (unlike Trump) and the electorate at large would want to be aware if foreign operatives were attempting to circumvent American election laws.

We need full disclosure of all donations and multiple years of full tax returns released if we are to truly be informed about who our candidates might really be representing.

american_ideals

(613 posts)
44. Yes. And super pacs too. All pacs. All nonprofits that do a shred
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:14 PM
Mar 2018

Of anything political should need to disclose all donors. Down to the person, not just down to some shell LLC.

George II

(67,782 posts)
62. That's a big fault of the system. If someone gives $50 it doesn't have to be itemized. Then....
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 12:07 AM
Mar 2018

....if the same person gives another $50 it also doesn't have to be itemized.

A couple of more $50 contributions gets that person to the level where it has to be itemized, but since each was only $50 they could all be hidden. How does anyone know that there were enough "small" contributions from a single person to equal the level to itemize if each was under $200?

In fact, a single person or entity can contribute as much as $10 million and not be detected as long as that huge amount is broken down into less than $200 each.

cstanleytech

(26,284 posts)
52. They should challenge Trump on the issue by offering to release theirs if Donald
Sat Mar 10, 2018, 10:54 PM
Mar 2018

stops lying about being audited and releases his.

murielm99

(30,735 posts)
70. It should be required by law.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 02:22 PM
Mar 2018

I think it will be done state by state.

I worry that some repiggie will take it to court, all the way to the SC. If 45 gets his way and has the conservative court he wants, then such a law could be overturned. They will find a way. We need to find a way to counter this.

Yes, by all means, show us your taxes.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
72. Yes, it should be part of the
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 08:02 PM
Mar 2018

process when anyone runs for office.

This is from calimary..

"The attorney for Stormy Daniels, Michael Avenatti, summed it up perfectly the other day."

"People who have nothing to hide - hide nothing."

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