An ominous dark cloud gathering over the people...

[kentuck]

Like a giant swarm of locusts, devouring all the food and blocking all light of truth and reason.

Merrily, they go on their way, unaware of the devastation about to strike them. They laugh and smirk at silly warnings.

It's not a dream. It's a history lesson. We should all understand the power of nationalism and propaganda much better now.

We should all understand better the mindset of the German people of 1933.

We are them.

[no_hypocrisy]

1. I have spent much time, studying the Weimar Republic and Germany under

The Third Reich. It was so much more than concentration camps and ovens.

[lark]

2. Having studied the rise of fascism, do you see any corollaries to drumpf's regime to date?

Serious question since he studied Hitlers speeches for 10 years, per Ivana.

[olegramps]

21. I would suggest people should listen to Hitler's and especially Mussolini's speeches.

[Butterflylady]

52. Yes, especially Mussolini

I've compared the faces he makes and the gestures he makes. You would think he's his double. And we all know what happened to Mussolini. He was hung in the square by his feet along with his mistress and co-horts.

Not a pretty picture.

[GWC58]

80. Mussolini and Trump

walk in a similar way. I didn’t notice until I heard it a few years ago. I heard it, I believe, on MSNBC. I do not, however, remember exactly who said it.

[olegramps]

85. The are both pompous blowhards. Their constiuancy are dimwits and greedy oligarchs.

[VOX]

92. The folded arms, the head thrown back, the self-satisfied sneer, the preening.

It's as if he actually studied Il Duce's mannerisms.

Although I'm hard-pressed to envision him studying *anything*.

[no_hypocrisy]

41. This is the most obvious parallel in my analysis.

The theater was rented, the scenery constructed, the costumes designed and sewed, the play written, and the cast chosen. Finally, the choice of the date of the premiere selected for both Hitler and Trump. They both appeared at the most opportune time for them to take control of a weakened democracy and promise something "better".

Hitler tried to overthrow the German government in 1924. It got him thrown in jail instead. In 1933, he used the tools of democracy against itself and got legally elected to office, thereafter suspending the Constitution and destroying the same democracy. Even though he "won" with a minority of the vote (16% with a field of 12+ candidates), it was still a plurality vote. Despite the crowds in the newsreels, most Germans tolerated Hitler; they were loyal, true believers.

Trump couldn't have been elected with past democratic candidates: Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Al Gore, Barak Obama. The time wasn't "right". While Hillary was a credible candidate and highly qualified, either it wasn't her time or the Russians like Trump more than her.

Timing is everything.

[red dog 1]

42. "either it wasn't her time or the Russians like Trump more than her"?

First, it should be obvious that the Russians (Putin) "like Trump more than her"
That is a fact!..They didn't hack into the RNC, they hacked into the DNC, and Putin had close ties with Trump, not Hillary (who he disliked)

Second, "Timing IS everything"
Comey's letter to Congress about "new HRC emails found" came only 11 days prior to the election, (which was a clear violation of the 1939 Hatch Act).
If not for this treasonous act on the part of then-FBI Director James Comey, Hillary probably would have won.
HRC was leading in all the polls when Comey sent his bullshit "more HRC emails found" letter.
Trump had lost momentum and points after the October 7, 2016 WaPo release of the "Access Hollywood" tapes ["I grab 'em by the pussy"]
I don't think it's inaccurate to say that Comey's letter to Congress on October 28, 2016, cost HRC the election.

[Whiskeytide]

54. I dont think the Russians and ...

...Putin “liked” Trump more than Hillary. I think that’s a misunderstanding from our end. I think Putin hates and resents America, and he calculated that Trump was bad for American democracy and would weaken us. Divide us. Cause distrust between us. I don’t even think he thought Trump could win, or really even cared. I think he saw an opportunity to sow discord in our population, and he did. Trump winning was a bonus.

[red dog 1]

57. Well, let's agree to disagree.....You have your opinion, and I have mine

When I said Putin "liked" Trump more than Hillary, I meant that he definitely preferred a Trump presidency over a Clinton presidency, because of her actions against Russia as Secretary of State, which were entirely proper and shared by her boss.


You're probably right about Putin thinking that "Trump couldn't win"..so he set out to HELP Trump win by doing the following:

A) - He was successful in hacking into the DNC,
B) - His St. Petersburg "Troll Farm" successfully spread false news all over the Internet that was anti-Clinton, as well as hundreds of thousands of "fake" comments from "fake" Facebook & Twitter accounts, as well as other social sites.
C) - He successfully hacked into the 2016 election itself, by hacking into the useless and insecure "touch screen" voting machines, especially in those states that were "up for grabs" like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida and Michigan.
(plus many states that had GOP governors, GOP secretaries of state, etc)
D) - Through WikiLeaks, Putin's "pal" Julian Assange "leaked" thousands of damaging HRC emails a couple of months prior to the election

Do you really think that Putin didn't "really even care" who won the presidential election?

[debsy]

59. Trump, Putin and their respective criminal camps (and others) have been working together...

... toward a common goal (world domination and the kleptocratic takeover of democracies and their wealth in the western world) at least since the Miss Universe pageant in 2013. Anyone who doesn't see that or thinks that Trump is somehow an unknowing dotard is NOT paying attention.

[red dog 1]

84. Is there ANYTHING in my reply (which you replied to) that even remotely suggests that I think that

"Trump is somehow an unknowing dotard?"

Also, Trump's business deals with Putin and his billionaire oligarch friends go back much farther than the Miss Universe pageant in 2013, and anyone who doesn't believe that "is NOT paying attention."

[debsy]

88. Lol indeed...

I was actually supporting your statement rather than challenging you. I should have prefaced everything I said with, "AGREED"!. I did use the term, "at least since" when referring to the 2013 Miss Universe pageant and did not mean to imply that you were not paying attention.

[red dog 1]

89. Thanks for clearing that up for me

(and Welcome to DU!)

[argyl]

66. Yep. Putin hates and resents the States and has no love for his Orange chew toy.

[Sophia4]

48. Trump will try to use events like his military parade to lure liberals to demonstate

against it and him.

It is important that we absolutely boycott that parade. We should hold voter registration and other events far from the location of the parade.

We cannot allow ourselves to be tricked by this monster in the White House.

[WhiteTara]

55. Voter registration and registration verification

should be top of our agenda.

[onetexan]

69. We also need to ensure the major networks don't air this nightmare

[steve2470]

77. Correction, he was appointed to Chancellor by Hindenburg nt

[no_hypocrisy]

78. I stand corrected. It was the Nazi Party that was elected to the Reichstag.

[erpowers]

6. Any suggestions?

Do you have any suggestions on how someone who wants to study the Weimar Republic should go about foing so? What books should they read? What else should they do?

[olegramps]

24. The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, by William Shirer, for a start.

Shirer was a newspaper reporter stationed in Germany and detailed Hitler's rise to power. I have posted many times that the Republican Party adopted a radical fascist philosophy over forty years ago with the advent of the repeal of the Fair Doctrine act. Sinclair is striving to further solidify its hold on talk radio under Trump.

[burrowowl]

91. Yes, an excellent suggestion!

[RandomAccess]

38. Here's something I like to recommend

though I haven't read the book itself, the excerpt here is --- illuminating and frightening.

THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE FREE http://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/T/bo27509064.html
EXCERPT: http://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html

[Sophia4]

49. And watch Hitler's Circle of Evil which is a series available on Netflix and maybe YouTube.

[smirkymonkey]

87. I am watching a great series about life and politics during the Weimar

Republic leading up to the Third Reich on Netflix called "Babylon Berlin"

From a Refinery 29 reveiw of the series:

"It’s difficult to not see similar shadings between these young people and the ones who, frustrated by the failings of Bernie Sanders’ socialist wave, found comfort in the upstart, albeit wildly nationalistic and authoritarian, political agenda of Donald Trump. After all, both men supposedly wanted to tear apart the establishment.
Hitler may not have come up during the literal Nazi riot or the obvious proto-Nazi backdoor meetings in Babylon Berlin, but he did come up in the scariest way possible — the one that makes pure fiction seem very, very real."

Full review here:

https://www.refinery29.com/2018/02/191434/babylon-berlin-nazi-germany-hitler-episode-6

[Sophia4]

47. Have you seen the documentary Hitler's Circle of Evil?

It's a must see on this topic.

Every Democrat should watch it.

Available on Netflix and maybe on YouTube.

It's really essential.

We Democrats need to know how these people operate.

The jealousies, the devious strategies, the self-centered moves, they are all typical of the extreme right-wing people around the world. And those traits were dominant in Hitler's closest supporters.

When people are thinking only of themselves, when they are incapable of compassion, they succumb to in-fighting and hatred we liberals cannot imagine.

It explains the rapid turnover of staff in the Trump White House. They are backbiting constantly.

And eventually, that hatred and self-centeredness will resort to oppression of people who think differently than they do.

If we allow Trump to remain in office, we will have a disaster on our hands.

We have to get out and get our candidates elected this Fall. That means we have to work together and focus on the future and not the past.

Our lives may depend on this. Watch the series Hitler's Circle of Evil. It will make you think of Trump.

[calimary]

58. Scary as hell. And unfortunately true.

As that old saying goes: those who don’t know/understand/learn from the mistakes in history are doomed to repeat them. I hope to God we aren’t facing that same fate.

[appalachiablue]

68. *HITLER'S CIRCLE OF EVIL (2018) UK Docudrama: Neflix, or YouTube 10 Episodes

Preview/Clip.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6600720/

Watched it on the AHC Channel.

[smirkymonkey]

86. Kicking for later.

Can't access Netflix link from work.

[Juliusseizure]

70. Understand the deception/propaganda

Hitler became dictator by hiding his true agenda and appearing "reasonable" enough so that despite his anti-semetic rhetoric, German Jews trusted he would not infringe on their rights or uproot democracy.

There is a remarkable similarity between Hitler and Trump's ability to push the envelope so that otherwise outrageous acts become normalized and acceptable.

Trump has achieved that, with his followers and the GOP's help.

Beyond that, they also share substantially similar strategies - manipulate crowds, deceive the public by presenting a tolerable public face while hiding their agenda which is to keep pressing toward complete dominance and mass idealization. This is narcissism.

Nothing Trump says or does should ever be trusted. He is not passively watching Fox. He is actively strategizing how to get rid of Mueller, democracy, the constitution, and anything preventing obtaining complete power, control, and access to limitless wealth.

[Sophia4]

83. Thanks. You are right.

Democrats tend to be "nice" and cooperative.

We should not violate laws, but we should not trust those on the extreme-right or cooperate with them either.

We should always be careful and watch out for human rights.

[ecstatic]

67. Is there a point at which you'd give up and evacuate the US?

Like a sign or occurrence that signaled it was time to flee? About a year ago I read an article that said the arrest of an elected congressman (at the president's request) would be a turning point.

[no_hypocrisy]

76. Anne Frank Centre warns of 'alarming parallels' between Trump's America and Hitler's Germany

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/anne-frank-centre-donald-trump-america-president-hitler-nazi-germany-alarming-parallels-warning-a7884731.html

[FakeNoose]

3. Nixon tried to pull the same BS in the early '70s

When Nixon ran for re-election in 1972, it was during the Vietnam War and all the war protesting was going on. Nixon had a difficult position to maintain because he had been elected as the "peace" candidate in 1968. They he had to explain why we're still fighting this horrible war in 1972.

It was very simple for him - anybody who opposed Nixon's re-election had to be unpatriotic and probably a traitor. All the people who protested the Vietnam War were traitors, pure and simple. Returning soldiers were expected to "show their patriotism" by supporting the war, and of course supporting Nixon at the same time. Finally some returning soldiers (like John Kerry) stood up and said "No we don't support this. It's wrong and it's wasting people's lives." By then Nixon had already won re-election but people started listening to the protesters.

This all goes in a cycle and people will start to listen and figure out the lies for themselves, but it takes time. We can't let our guard down and we can't stop pointing out the lies every chance we get.

[CrispyQ]

15. He might have pulled it off if he'd had today's republican congress & 35 years of hate radio.

Today's congress, along with social media, makes it a whole different game. I've come to believe that at least 30% of our population is never going to figure it out, & that 30% is fine with behaving loudly & badly. The vulgar excuse of a human being that occupies the WH right now should have ratings hovering 10%, not 35-40%. What the fuck, America.

[sharedvalues]

35. Exactly. Propaganda and billionaire control of GOP are the difference

We're lucky that DJT is a lot dumber than Nixon.

[BlueJac]

4. The threat is very, very real!

This is right out of the history books, so many people are blind to the facts, as we are shuffled down a path of peril for most Americans!

[mountain grammy]

5. Yep, for the most part

we're being "good Germans" while parents are publicly taken from their children. Do people honestly believe it'll stop with "undocumented residents?" It's already gone beyond that. Let's be honest, police murder over 1000 citizens a year, more than 2 million Americans are in prison yet, merrily we go on our way, unaware of the devastation about to strike. For many Americans, it's already happened.

Absolutely terrifying.

[strangedaysindeed]

7. Re: Nixon and Trump

A lot of people were privately praising Nixon for what happened at Kent State.

We'll see it again.

[poboy2]

8. only this time it will be publicly praising. 30% will approve. -nt

[heaven05]

9. true this

👎💣💂👹👹👹

[Old Enough 2]

10. Trump and GOP Merrily Chipping Away Our Rights

The oppression of the German people by the Third Reich came about by small insignificant steps, hardly noticed by most people until "Bam!!" Hitler and his henchmen had full and absolute control over the entire nation. By then it was too late to reverse course.

Trump and the GOP are following in the same steps. I suspect it's mandatory for many in the GOP to read "Mein Kampf".....the source book for chipping away democratic rights. The signs are everwhere......
condemnation of the press, supporting white supremists, packing the courts with unqualified right wing
judges, race baiting, hate mongering, dividing people against each other, vicious and unrelenting attacks on the opposition, self agrandizing the great leader, etc....

[Sophia4]

50. When I see some of the posts here that criticize one or the other group of liberals

for how they voted in 2016, I am reminded (as one who is very familiar with what happened in Germany during the NAZI period because I lived there at one point in my life not during that war) of the disunity and in-fighting among liberals, those who supported democracy in the period prior to Hitler's rise.

We have to get past the 2016 election and unite to defeat the fascism that has become strong in our country.

I know it feels nice to join with buddies online and bash people who voted the "wrong way" in 2016, but we are under a threat right now and have to pull together to take control of Congress this Fall and the White House in 2020. This is a matter far too important, far too urgent to allow ourselves the luxury of anger about how people voted or did not vote in 2016.

The German people who "allowed" Hitler to happen were not all that evil. They were divided.

If we liberals allow ourselves to remain divided, we will lose out to the united fanatics on the far-right.

Gather yourselves, folks. Stop the finger-pointing no matter how justified you feel it is. Start feeling good about how we will win big this Fall. Gather together because the alternative is dark and literally murderous.

Watch the film, Hitler's Circle of Evil. Netflix or I have heard also on YouTube. It's very important.

[debsy]

11. We are definitely frogs in a pot...

I really don't hold out much hope. I doubt any of these oligarchic kleptocrats will go quietly if/when people come to take them away. Lest we not forget: It appears that - between the dumpsters, Erik Prince of darkness and his lunatic sister and family, the UAE, Saudis, Putin and the Russian crime syndicate, China, Malaysia, the Koch brothers, etc wield an enormous amount of power and wealth across the planet. They aren't going to just let one of their accomplices be taken off. They are making their play to take control of the whole world and, with all the nukes they control, they may very well succeed.

[smirkymonkey]

13. Depressing, but unfortunately true.

Welcome to DU debsy!

[Nitram]

12. OK, I appreciate the need to be vigilant. This purple prose is a bit over the top, though.

"It was a dark and stormy night..."

[pangaia]

18. I do not think it is over the top one bit.

It is exactly what is happening...

[bigtree]

14. hopefully, we've got more on the ball

...I don't see a comparable nationalist movement right now to compliment the fascism from the WH.

We'll see in the midterms whether our elections are compromised. If there's no significant meddling, we're probably due for a political course correction with our party making America proud again.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

33. this keeps me from going full hermit

If we can overwhelm the cheats that are in place with voters in November, we are not lost yet.

[colsohlibgal]

16. Obliviousness Has Its Price

If Sinclair gets the go ahead to buy up way more TV Stations....that could accelerate the dumbing down of a critical mass.

I have been reading “Dark Money” by Jane Mayer and it is chilling. It gets into the billions people like the Kochs have poured into turning us hard, hard right. They and other rich crazy rights fulfilled Lewis Powell’s wish list to turn enough people right to get their agenda rolling...which is crazy to the extreme.

The Kochs and their like think income tax should be illegal, think the environmental damage they do should not be curbed. They hate “Public” anything. It is mind blowing.

We are in a battle for the soul of our country and we better start playing sane hardball like there is no tomorrow...for real.

[Politicub]

23. Yeah, a critical mass of old media

The real heroes, the next generation of voting Americans, are smarter and more agile than old media will ever hope to be. They don't sit in front of the television and they don't listen to an old fuck blowhard on the radio.

Let the idiots form a Fox axis.

I still believe Obama: We are the ones we have been waiting for.

[CrispyQ]

37. This:

We are in a battle for the soul of our country and we better start playing sane hardball like there is no tomorrow...for real.

Even if they manage to wrest influence or control in Congress again, I'm not sure today's democratic party is up for the fight. I fear they see their colleagues across the aisle as basically decent people who just have different views, vs the craven assholes they really are.

[appalachiablue]

72. Yes, We are in the battle for the US, absolutely. Whoever can't see that

now is blind. Significant changes in the POLITICAL SPHERE and in THE MEDIA have to take place, soon.

SINCLAIR'S buying of TRIBUNE MEDIA means control of 70% of local TV Stations, a major push to dominate almost all main US media outlets.

PBS announced a new Friday Night RW Program. As if we don't have more than enough conservative media.

With the end of NET NEUTRALITY for the Internet let's see the state of access to online independent media and truth.

In 1949 the "FAIRNESS DOCTRINE" was created for balanced reporting on US Radio & TV Public Airwaves. I just read here it was enacted soon after WWII, as a direct result of the power and evil of Nazi Propaganda News/Media under Goebbels and others.

In 1987 the Fairness Doctrine was repealed under Reagan, allowing the Rise of Rush and HATE RADIO.

Then FOX TV began in 1996 with the Telecomm Act's major deregulation of media.

So, here we are after 30 years of this media dominance. The influence is clear.
-----
I've read Mayer's book, "Dark Money", followed the Kochs, Lewis Powell's 1971 Ultra Right Manifesto/Call to Arms, & much more.

The US has serious issues; is the critical info. in these key studies & reports, along with real news reaching enough Americans?

[yuiyoshida]

17. Again, I blame Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity for stirring people up

to the point they HATE liberals and Democrats so much, they need their guns to shoot them with once Fox News gives the word its okay....Make them believe their God is coming back and that all they have to do is start a civil war in America, than we are all in mortal danger.

[pangaia]

19. I think you see exactly what has happened, is happening, and

most likely is about to happen.

[2left4u]

20. Nope

Comparing the US to Germany in the 30's is a stretch.

More than half the country doesn't agree with Azzhat Trumps supporters and in the end thanks to the 2ND Amendment there won't be a "Fascist/Nationalist" take over.

The Nazi's were extremely popular in the 30's with vast suppprt amoung it's citizens.

Not gonna happen in the US.

[pangaia]

25. Not sure I can say clearly my perception/feeling but...

Maybe not exactly the same situation, or the same mile post on the road as 1930's Germany,, but I feel there is a greater chance of an authoritarian Facsist, Plutarchy, whatever form it takes, than not.

I don't think in this day and time it takes extremely popularity with vast support among it's citizens. Too many will just roll over and keep sleeping until it is too late. It just takes enough to support the bastards at the top.. IE republicans, Koch, Bannon types, et al.

[2left4u]

34. The veterans of the 60's protests are our example

The veteran protesters of the 60's (America's second wave of minutemen and women true "patriots&quot saved this nation from the terrible course it was on.
The right calls us on the left "triggered" and "snowflakes" they seem to have forgotten our reaction to their violence and over reach....we know what to do.

I'm just saying that WE are the party of the people:

Reproductive Rights
Equal Rights (for race, gender, sexual orientation)
Voting Rights
Health care access Rights
Fair taxation
Responsible Gun Control
Education
We believe in science and the environment and FREEDOM for all

The list goes on and on.


As a Marine vet protesters (their vets too) brought us home, saved lives, and made all the above possible by showing courage, sacrificing much and showing the power of a people united.

We won and win the popular vote off our values...we must stay united, to your point vigilant and never fear the corrupt right....they try and repeat the mistakes of the 60's and we will be there.
Don't forget we showed them the term radical back then when it came to defending our country.

They right doesn't want to see some of the old 60's us come out.

A united country scares them...

Yes we might be "snowflakes" individually..will see how they like all us "snowflakes" when we come togther and become a blizzard!

[yuiyoshida]

44. fuck the blizzard, its gonna be a blue avalanche

a blue Tsunami and they will feel it soon.

[uponit7771]

28. +1, the fairness doctrine should at least mitigated against this crap and it works both ways

[Politicub]

22. Mr. Two Sides cannot win

We cannot let the bastards win. The people will rise up as never seen before in November and two years later. Everything is at stake.

Let General Assholio have his mass games. And let's make sure history remembers him as the most disgraceful president in history.

[uponit7771]

26. **** THIS !!!! **** 50% Red Don voters believed Clinton ran a child sex ring in the basement

... of a pizza parlor (pizza gate)

link to

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/28/pizzagate-theory-believed-by-nearly-half-of-republ/

We are NO ... NO different than those 80 years ago except the access to different information is greater now and we ...STILL ... have thoughtless dopes !!!

[poboy2]

27. Not sure if its worse, but even if they didn't believe it, they are

willing to say they do, and even repeat it, KNOWINGLY that it is insane and a lie.

Actually, this subset IS worse.

[RandomAccess]

39. And they believed it despite the fact that the pizza parlor

had no basement!

Which I find totally hilarious.

[defacto7]

29. Hear hear!

It speaks truth. Thx

[The River]

30. Not Yet

"We are them."

No we aren't, not yet.

[Tatiana]

31. I'm just wondering when our Kristallnacht will happen?

Seriously.

The attacks on the media.

"Fake news."

The Faux Noise propaganda network.

The modern-day Goebbels with Huckabee-Sanders.

A Republican majority that is essentially voting by their actions to hand the country and its institutions over to Putin-controlled Russia.

And the majority of us sit back in silent horror, while the dictator-in-actions prepares to meet with more of his dictator pals and throws himself a parade.

The sick thing is... the 60+ million idiots that voted for this country don't even see that they are supporting their own demise. No one wins except the oligarchs in this game.

The only thing standing between this bleak future and the rest of us is Bob Mueller and his team. We can't even count on the electoral process, because it, too, is probably compromised and this corrupt administration wants to keep it that way.

[Loge23]

36. His brownshirts (or red hats) will attack the press

The press will eventually be physically attacked at one of these Naziesque rallys of his.
He'll stand by and smile.
Bet on it - this will happen.

[yuiyoshida]

45. In any civil war there are always

Resistance fighters, and we will prevail on many kinds of courses.

[world wide wally]

32. There is no question that this is their goal.

The question is whether we can recruit enough voters to throw them out and remain agile enough to withstand the dirty tricks and deceptions they will be throwing at us in the process.

[RandomAccess]

40. Frankly, it's not enough to recruit more voters

we've got to also stop all the voter suppression and the outright election fraud.

[questionseverything]

51. we have to be able to oversee every part of the election process,make it transparent

from how many ab ballots were delivered to the public hand counting of our votes, precinct by precinct and a tight chain of custody for the accumulative results

i will never believe hc actually lost wis or mich,partly because the ptb will not allow us to see the counting of votes

[RandomAccess]

56. You're entirely right. Well said.

I keep reposting this:

Hillary didn't lose because she was less POPULAR. She lost because of James Comey's letters and because of some even more important factors -- more important because they're not going away. They will be used against us in every election going forward, unless we can stop them.

The big problems are voter suppression, Russian meddling, and targeted voter propaganda through Twitter, Google, Facebook, and other forms of social media. There is no question that the Trump campaign, through Cambridge Analytica, did this -- and that the Russians did this. The only question is how much they conspired together in the propaganda campaign.

We need to figure out how to defend the democratic process from fake news and micro-targeted AI propaganda -- or lose our democracy. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029576691

Here is how they stole the election, well this and KGB operatives V Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922

Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824

Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/

3:00 6/25/2017
PALMER: Rigged election: Donald Trump won every surprise swing state by the same 1% margin
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/rigged-election-donald-trump-won-every-surprise-swing-state-by-the-same-1-margin/118/

The most commonly posited explanation of Donald Trump’s shocking election victory was that every professional pollster in the nation – despite each working independently and using differing methodologies – somehow managed to overlook the same pockets of Trump voters in these states. If such pockets did exist, they would have existed in varying sizes in each of the four states, thus resulting in different sized wins in each.

Ask any statistician and they’ll tell you that a reasonable distribution of the results would have been Trump winning one of the states by one percent, won one of them by perhaps three percent, won one of them by two percent, lost one of them by one percent, or something along those lines. But instead the voting tallies looked startlingly different from any natural distribution. In fact they looked startlingly the same.

According to the New York Times, the voting results broke down like this: Trump won Florida by just over one percent of the vote. He also won Pennsylvania by just over one percent. He won Michigan by just under one percent. And he won Wisconsin by precisely one percent. That’s not how numbers tend to work in the real world.

On its own, this kind of suspiciously consistent numerical dispersion across the four states that decided the election would be something that could be written off as a mere fluke. But when you put it within the context of the numerous other ways in which the voting tallies make no mathematical sense, it points to the numbers having been rigged or altered.

MikeFarb @mikefarb1
#unhackthevote
Did Trump win Michigan? I don' think so.
Won by 10,704 but wait
75,355 Ballots Thrown Out
87 Machines Broke Down in Detrioit

Link to tweet

[ck4829]

75. Yep

[red dog 1]

43. K&R

[UCmeNdc]

46. K&R

I cannot believe how otherwise fine people can tolerate the lies and questionable behavior that Trump puts on display. I have to ask myself what has happened to the American ideals and traditional beliefs? These people just seem to throw ttraditions out of the window to follow Trump without questions.

What is going on?

[DoctorJoJo]

53. Or, More Grammarly, We Are They!

[GulfCoast66]

60. I am so calling Bullshit.

If Hitler was like Trump, Himmler, Goering and all the others would be gone.

And to compare the US populace, state governments, press, etc with Germany in the 30s is just another in the endless expressions of the very unattractive but undeniable tendency of some leftist to compare America with the most despicable regimes that I have witnessed my entire life.

We can really suck. But not nearly as bad as many other past and present nations.

So tell yourself we are done with and will be rounding up (name your group) if it makes you feel better. I have a life to lead and elections to win.

[kentuck]

61. You have proven my theory correct.

There is really nothing to be concerned about. It is all in our heads. Our democracy is not being threatened at all. All we need to do is win the next election.

We shall all sleep better with your wise advice....

[GulfCoast66]

63. When you propose a theorem

And proof of that theorem is someone disagreeing with your theorem, you have a really bad theorem.

But it sure sets you up to be 100% correct. I guess if that makes you feel good then more power to you.

Have a nice evening

[kentuck]

65. Thanks for your opinion.

Everybody has one.

[Juliusseizure]

73. Learn some history

Goehring, Himmler, etc were subordinate and loyal to Hitler after he gained power.

The Hitler we know about was the '44 version. The '33 version achieved power by deceit, with a minority party, infringed on rights slowly and methodically by normalizing and rationalizing it, andcwas widely tolerated and deemed acceptable domestically and internationally.

Right now, Trump supporters are irrational. Wrong is right. He has 93% support in the GOP after normalizing racism, extreme hostility toward opposing parties and the press, pathological lying. If you don't recognize the sea change in behavior, you're blind.

Americans have already committed genocide against the American Indians, enslaved and tortured African Americans for 400 years. have committed atrocities against the Chinese and other minorities. What makes you think Trump Supporters wouldn't happily oppress minorities and the political opposition if called to the task?

[GulfCoast66]

82. Learn History?

You are the person comparing our population that has been Democratic in nature for hundreds of years, sees standing up to leaders as a virtue and is made up of states with broad sovereignty to a 60 year old nation ruled by a king where group think had always been seen as a virtue and that had a whopping 12 years of Democratic traditions. Oh, and had just lost millions of men fighting against Democracies.

Besides that and countless other differences then I guess yeah, we are just like them.

But I get it. There have always been a group of liberals who for some reason enjoy casting our nation in the mold of Nazis and other despots. That trend well proceeds Trump. Hell, I remember hearing it during the Reagan years.

I do not think it helps the cause.

[Juliusseizure]

90. The US is an oligarchy, not a democracy

Its a democracy in name only, controlled by big money who invest in, bribe and then coerce whatever particular candidate best serves their agenda, factoring in likelihood of victory.

Barack Obama was forced to cowtow to big corporate constantly. His first required move to get Obamacare even considered by a majority dem congress was to strike a deal with big pharma that they'll be left untouched. No reform for pharmaceuticals. They were too rich.

I could go on - he was just being pragmatic within the confines of a massively corrupt political system driven by money, by legislative and Supreme Court design.

Oligarchies don't like democracy. That upsets their control. You can pretend American democracy is strong; its as feeble and unstable as the Weimer Republic.

Add to that a new dynamic- this country is in a cultural civil war. Since its founding by racist, sexist founders who only gave white, male landowners the vote, its been majority white and Christian. Like you, I am tolerant of change. Not the GOP. So intolerant they would do anything to prevent loss of their white hierarchical position and perceived identity as Americans. They invite Russian election interference. They don't want democracy either.

I think you vastly underestimate that rapid impulse to preserve it. They will welcome a dictatorship to do so.

[Oneironaut]

62. Yup. History tends to become "pop culture-ized." The Nazis didn't put people in camps right away,

and most Germans lived normal, comfortable lives. They didn't see the SS or Nazis as a threat to their families. It's not like the SS marched around, shot random people, and said "We have people in concentration camps - what'cha going to do about it!?" It's a gradual process that grows like a cancer.

[kentuck]

64. I think there are similarities in history..

...not necessarily with the same characters or same strategies. But they are similar in ways that we have read about in history. That doesn't mean that Donald Trump is Adolph Hitler. But rather, that he has the tendencies of an authoritarian. And there is danger in authoritarianism.

We cannot accept it as "normal" in any way. It is not normal. It is a threat to us all.

[Jspur]

71. I feel our diversity

is a firewall to protect us against Trump's nationalism bs. 40 percent of the country is nonwhite that's close to half of the country right there. Then factor in 40 percent of white people don't support Trump. Yes they are similarities but we are too diverse of a country for Trump's nationalism to work. I feel the worst case scenario for the US is more so a Soviet Union collapse than a 1930's Germany scenario. If Trump and Republicans tried to take over the country like Hitler/Nazis did it would result in a second Civil War.

[ck4829]

74. K&R

[duforsure]

79. These people don't understand

What he says and what he does is always different. Always telling them what they want to hear, then screwing them over. Good examples are the tax scam that'll soon make most of them pay a lot more in taxes, and the ACA which Rubio caused it to go up right before the election, and trump has done things to make it triple now for them within three years, if their tax scam didn't cut their health insurance altogether for millions of them. Their costs are going to skyrocket, and they like that? Now they're planning on destroying Medicare and Social Security. His propaganda talking points will be it was others fault (the Dems), not them. They're being conned by a real professional now. Believe the lies, you'll soon regret it.

[muntrv]

81. Speaking of which, on this day in 1938, Anschluss. Hitler annexed Austria.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=anschluss&filters=IsConversation:"True"