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I'm sorry, something is not adding up here
(rant)
The tale of the Disney worker earning $15 an hour full-time but economically suffering (IMHO) has gaps.
The most telling one is that the worker claimed that food costs were $60 a week.
That is about what we pay each for a month.
Even if the worker didnt have access to cooking facilities or a refrigerator, there are things such as private brand granola and PB. And the worker talked about car insurance, so its not as if there was dependence on the corner store (or buses).
Maybe there were other expense factors, but these were not specified.
((further rant))
I volunteer at a low-income taxpayer clinic. Yesterday, a woman turned 65 came in. I had to explain to her that she was not getting EIC this year because she had turned 65.
She decided to file anyway (despite being under the filing threshold) because she had been getting premium tax credit before going on Medicare.
She mentioned that she was in Section 8 housing.
And her only income was Social Security, so she didn't owe any state tax either.
ecstatic
(32,677 posts)$60/month food costs seems impossible. I'm not an efficient shopper though, so that could be part of the problem. I'd love to hear how you get a month worth of groceries for $60?
dawg day
(7,947 posts)I'm sure it's possible to spend less than that on food, but you might need to have a garden and/or spend a lot of time prepping food, which is hard when you have a family and full-time job and commute.
Bucky
(53,986 posts)Call me cynical, but probably lot of things cost more out there. And possibly a daily commute to Disney could be hard on someone's budget too.
Rorey
(8,445 posts)I can't imagine $60 for the whole month. I'm a vegetarian, so that saves a lot of money because meat is very expensive. I shop sales and stock up when I find a good buy. I rarely eat out because it just doesn't much appeal to me. I'm also put off by the fact that I can make four or five meals for myself at home for the price of one meal in a restaurant.
My husband does eat meat, but he generally does his own shopping for it, and thankfully also cooks it for himself. He also likes to eat out, and he's more than welcome to go without me.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,430 posts)Most people can live on brown rice and a few extras. But damn, that's a boring diet.
Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)brown rice.. and make cheap burritos. $17 would buy enough for week. then remaining $41could purchase tomatoes, cheese, stuff to add variety
Codeine
(25,586 posts)bean burritos in a very short time. A person with a job shouldnt find that theyre forced to subsist on bean burritos three meals a day, day in and day out.
Not to mention the gastric side effects (ahem) that would result from such a diet.
Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)He would work during the winter to get some money together then go on a summer long rock climbing vacation. He lived out of his VW van. I remember him showing me his 40lb bag of rice, 40lb bag of black beans, 100 count of tostada shells, and big ass jug of the cheapest salsa he could find. I thought it was cool, but I was only 16 at the time.
I caught him once camping out at the local bouldering area. It was early in the morning. I woke him up, and there was some woman in the van! What kind of woman would have hooked up with him???!!!! I guess he accounted for some extra tostadas when he purchased his allotment!
shanny
(6,709 posts)cajun spice will make it less boring--unless that's all you get, and every day
on another front: yea! we can survive on red beans and rice while working full time in the richest country in the history of the world!
NRaleighLiberal
(60,013 posts)and it is more than 60 per week.
mcar
(42,293 posts)I shop at Aldi's and stock up on sale items. We eat quite healthily, but for 3 of us (20YO son at home), our grocery bill is $100/week or more.
petronius
(26,602 posts)33taw
(2,439 posts)Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)former9thward
(31,963 posts)Read it.
The most telling one is that the worker claimed that food costs were $60 a week.
That is about what we pay each for a month.
Ms. Toad
(34,056 posts)If you run into post after post after post saying $60/month is ridiculous, it might be a clue you misread something that you ought to check before shouting at folks who read it correctly..
B2G
(9,766 posts)$60 a month. And you said 'we' so that's for more than one person.
Do tell how you manage that.
KatyaR
(3,445 posts)So $60 is for one person who doesn't eat meat, mostly beans.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Autumn
(45,026 posts)leftstreet
(36,103 posts)dawg day
(7,947 posts)The rich who have 9 houses and 50 cars-- they could probably learn lessons from others on thrift. Somehow I think some Disney employee earning $15/hr already knows more than she wants to about how to be thrifty.
On the fucking nose, Leftstreet.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Less than fifteen bucks a week? A little over two dollars a day?
Nope.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)And about $30K a year before taxes (and even if you don't pay federal income taxes, about 10% of your wages go to FICA and Medicare). And let's not forget that $15 an hour is TWICE minimum wage.
I agree that's not as poor as poverty level, but it's pretty low. In Orlando, the average rent for a 2BR apt (very small for a family of more than 2) is $1300 a month. Even a studio is over $900. https://www.rentcafe.com/average-rent-market-trends/us/fl/orlando/
So there goes half your wages-- before you buy one gallon of milk ($3.50). Here are the costs of some essentials in Orlando: https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/orlando
We shouldn't get angry at people earning low wages who aren't living as well as we think they should, or living as cleanly and strictly as we think we would live in their situation. It's an exhausting struggle from week to week, and we don't need to add on the burden of our disapproval.
As Will Rogers said, "It ain't no crime to be poor, but it might as well be."
Many Americans think people with low income should somehow be ashamed. Let's not go there. It's hard to live on $2400 a month, especially in a city. It's even harder to live on minimum wage. Empathy is a good response.
csziggy
(34,133 posts)In California, not Disney World in Florida.
I have no idea about living costs in California or in Orlando so I can't comment on your figures, but I seem to recall reading that living costs in California are extremely high.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)Add 50% to the rent at least.
Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)JI7
(89,244 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,963 posts)And kind of necessitate a car that requires cash to operate.
Now, i know in Orange County that have rapid transit, but some people simply can't switch buses and take 90 minutes each way to get to work.
So, not living where one works contains its own inherent cost, no?
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,317 posts)dameatball
(7,396 posts)I must tell you that I have not read the article. However, I can tell you the COL in Central Florida can be deceptively high, depending on where you live. $60 a week for groceries is a bit low to me.
csziggy
(34,133 posts)Disney Land, not Disney World in Florida.
"The report suggested that two-thirds of Disneyland Resort workers are food insecure, meaning they lack a sufficient quantity of affordable, nutritious food. "
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/01/disneyland-california-employees-poverty-homelessness-study
dameatball
(7,396 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)I'm sorry, but the only thing not adding up is your ridiculous claim. $60 a month is not enough for one person let alone a family except for maybe if you ate Top Ramen and nothing else.
Seriously, find a different hobby other than trying to poke holes in stories of the hardships suffered by working people. And if that is your hobby, learn a little bit about the real world most people live in so you don't sound so ridiculous.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Don't know how seemingly everyone is misunderstanding the clear implication that the OP means 'per
person'.
Not defending their points in general, just this one.
Ms. Toad
(34,056 posts)I was certainly talking about per person.
Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)Vinca
(50,250 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)the first time I read this "rant"...no way and I can say this categorically any american could spend and live on $60 of basic food items in a month unless they are munchkins
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)than where we live in central illinois. $15/hr is surviving wage if its just for you almost everywhere in this country, unless you live at home with mom and dad
csziggy
(34,133 posts)NOT Disney World in Florida.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)I can buy milk for less than $2.00/gallon....
Ms. Toad
(34,056 posts)That's $2/day (or less in months with over 30 days).
That, essentially, means nothing beyond tap water to drink. Dried beans & rice bought in bulk. Either a garden - or no fresh veggies.
Me.
(35,454 posts)When people talk about grocery store visits and costs, they just lump everything together, so there are many necessities besides actual food that is eaten. When I'm asked how much I spent at the grocery store week, I give the entire amount. But...that also includes tp, pt, kleenex, detergent, soap and so forth.
Ms. Toad
(34,056 posts)but what I was looking at was the claim of spending $60/month on food.
There are 30-31 days every month, but one, so that breaks down to $2/day (maximum) in food.
So I wasn't thinking about the total at the check-out counter - I was building from what you could buy for $2/day to feed yourself.
And agree $2. a day for food is hardly adequate
Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,056 posts)That is about what we pay each for a month.
Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)They include Glynndana Shevlin, a food and beverage concierge at one of the resort hotels, meaning she serves wine and appetizers to suite guests. She has worked for Disney for 30 years.
Food-wise I try to spend under $60 a week, but that only gives me about one meal a day, she said. She cant touch the fancy appetizers she takes up to the suites mushroom ratatouille, teriyaki beef kabobs and she cant afford the employee cafeteria.
Ms. Toad
(34,056 posts)because the OP spends $60/month.
That is about what we pay each for a month.
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)not the person in the article.
Do try to keep up, dear.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)call someone who might be in the Know. It is worse than I thought, this is the tip of the Disney Berg. Housing in the Anaheim area is a major problem, rents are brutal and the Kids working at the Park are Couch Surfing and sleeping on floors of other's . All trying to avoid the Landlords finding to many people in their Rentals.
Same source says the Orlando area is experiencing the same issues.
Remember,Disney out sourced their Hotel Staff and Maintenance workers years ago,and that means you have Hundreds of people competing for the same bread crumbs. BTW,Daily Park Pass increased by 18%.
shanny
(6,709 posts)Includes a graph/map that shows what you need to be making to afford an apartment in every state:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-much-you-need-for-rent_us_5942cc92e4b0f15cd5b9e2ee
"...report compares minimum wages and housing costs in states, metropolitan areas and counties across the country. This years results show the hourly wage rate needed for a modest two-bedroom rental is more than double the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour in all but four states."
In CA you need 40 hrs at almost $31....
btw: the study is for a "modest two-bedroom" but remember that a 1-bedroom, or even a studio will not be half as much.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Please tell me your shopping list..
Thanks...
LAS14
(13,780 posts)If you pay $60 each every month, then, assuming there are two of you, one wee's worth of meals at home would be $120/4, or $30. Would you publish the menus for those 14 meals (breakfast and dinner - let's assume you're not counting lunch.)
ecstatic
(32,677 posts)I'm hoping to learn some great tips!!
Codeine
(25,586 posts)A bunch of fucking Freeper-sounding posts castigating poor people for having the audacity to want to eat something that isnt motherfucking Spaghetti-Os or bean burritos.
That shit doesnt add the fuck up no matter how many times I try to make the math work.
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)It's expensive here.
And the $60 may include a lot of incidental expenses other than food.
I don't know, but it is possible.
California is really expensive. The rents are astronomical compared to incomes.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"I'm sorry, something is not adding up here..."
That usually happens when we lack relevant variables and replace them with our own presumptions.