Is The Stormy Story More Damaging Than We Thought?

[demmiblue]

Source: TPM

We just finished recording this week’s episode of The Josh Marshall Podcast. We had a special guest, Joan Walsh. We talked about the Stormy Daniels’ story among other topics, including the 2016 election. But I wanted to flag one point we discussed in this episode that I’ve learned over recent days. What Daniels told 60 Minutes is more damaging than people may realize.

In many ways, having sex with a porn star is on-brand for Donald Trump. He spent decades playing up a reputation as a billionaire playboy. These stories seem to have stirred discord in Trump’s marriage. They’re hard to square with his current role as the darling of conservative evangelicals. But they play to the tough guy, dominant and hyper-masculine image he likes to portray. He’s boasted for years about his purported sexual prowess and the Access Hollywood tape and the subsequent string of accusations of various kinds of sexual misconduct confirmed his role as a sexual predator.

But Daniels apparently says something different. I’m told that in her 60 Minutes interview with Anderson Cooper Daniels suggests that Trump, how to say this, likes it when women aren’t nice to him, treat him in perhaps denigrating ways.

I think that would be very much off brand for Trump. It also puts in sharper relief why he and his lawyer seem to be fighting so hard to keep Daniels’ story under wraps. It also deepens my curiosity about whether CBS will have to stomach to air that part of the story.

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[hlthe2b]

1. well, if she is the Dominatrix, that explains a lot why he's not going after her...

CRACK THAT WHIP!

[demmiblue]

5. Heh!

[lagomorph777]

15. Whip it good

step on his crack...

[brush]

21. So he likes it when Melania slaps his hand away. Probably can't wait to get home to beg her...

swat him around some more.

Hahahahahahahaha!

[certainot]

29. it makes him feel like a kid again

[malaise]

2. Yes! Yes! Yes!

Anyway the Con turns he implicates himself. It is delish!

[janx]

3. OMG

WHEN is this interview due to air?

[Marie Marie]

28. I think it is this Sunday -the 18th

[certainot]

30. i'll bet they don't

[bettyellen]

4. So, its grosser than being spanked with pics of his children?

Maybe he does like to be peed on, after all? Think I’ll go spread that rumor now.

[gay texan]

62. He probably likes diapers

President Pampers

I mean its just a rumor

[dameatball]

6. Three reasons I think it is more dangerous for him than some previous.

1. Her "reputation" is something he cannot really besmirch, so bullying her out of the way is impossible

2. This was not a quick grope. It was ongoing with huge potential for damaging evidence to emerge.

3. Gives far greater credence to the Steele Dossier in peoples' minds.

[malchickiwick]

7. A pic of the dotard in a ball-gag would be worthy of a Nobel Prize.

[lagomorph777]

16. At least a Pulitzer

[onecent]

46. LOL, can't stop thinking about this........

[Dorian Gray]

74. You had to go there

and I had to picture it.

My day is ruined!!!!

[Wounded Bear]

8. You mean like this?

[MontanaMama]

9. My guess is that

he has a thing for pee. Whatever. All of it pales in comparison to his treason. Doesn’t mean I’m not rooting for CBS to air the interview, however! If the WH is successful in quashing it, we should worry.

[Greybnk48]

10. I wonder. Did he call her Mommy? n/t

[Canoe52]

70. Pence calls his wife mother. Now that you mention it...

Pence’s wife would look good in black leather with a little whip in her hand...



(First time I found a use for that smiley!)

[Blue_Adept]

11. That's very, VERY, common

Men AND women in positions of power want to surrender some of that when it comes to sex. To be free of the shackles of all that it entails, to be dominated and told what to do.

Now, I'm not speaking specifically of Trump here, but just people in positions of power. When you have so much riding on your decisions, having that taken out of the picture is extremely freeing. It's one reason you see many partners in marriage that have so many responsibilities play to that as well when in the bedroom. Giving over control, freeing yourself from what you're responsible for day in and day out.

But I'm sure the highly judgmental DU membership will play it for all its worth. The porn threads in the past have certainly made clear there's a holier than though strain that's dominant here.

[dameatball]

12. Not me! Bring on the dirt. At least two scoops!

[Blue_Adept]

13. Heh. In some past conversations, the very idea of spanking during sex

was viewed as violence against women. And a lot cosigned onto that belief. It at least didn't get as bad as the small strain that was talking a few years ago about how kissing is violence against women when consensual.

I do enjoy those threads just to see what kind of crazy talk percolates among those that I'm generally aligned with politically.

[hlthe2b]

14. I think Stormy is respected here AND Trump has NOT been excoriated for his sexual behaviors, but

his hypocrisy and more importantly, the fact this behavior has left him open (and all of us, as a result) to BLACKMAIL.

Judgmental? "Holier than though"? REALLY? You totally miss the point

[Blue_Adept]

19. I wasn't specifying this thread; talking about past threads about porn in general

And you can see in some recent threads some real derision towards Daniels because of her profession. There's a general looking down upon any sex worker in these parts.

[radius777]

67. Agree, the left comes at it from a different angle but

can be just as moralistic about sex-work/porn/etc as the religious right.

None of which helps Dems, which needs young people and PoC to win, and doesn't do well with these groups when it is seen as square/stuffy/judgemental.

Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were seen as cool and easy going, which attracted youth, PoC, and other marginalized groups who could relate to that kind of "cool uncle" personality.

[erronis]

32. I agree with you. Thank you for reinforcing your points.

[radius777]

68. Human sexuality is complicated

and most people (not just powerful people) have kinks/fetishes/preferences.. as reflected in sexual entertainment such as porn, erotica, romance novels, etc. What is taboo or forbidden is often hot.

[LonePirate]

17. Will the deplorables start calling 45 a beta or a cuck now?

[erronis]

35. I don't know what either of those mean, but no - "they" have bought in (or have been bought).

I'm not even sure what anyone means by "deplorables" or means by the <quote>30% voters</quote> that will support the dump not matter.

I'm not sure it makes much difference since the media and election machinery has been rigged.

[dameatball]

18. One other thing.

It just occurred to me that, at this time, Stormy is the one person that everyone in the country is talking about as much as they are talking about Trump. Must drive him nuts. In a way it is cathartic and I think there are more than just a few conservatives out there who are privately getting a kick out of it. Besides, now they can tell their wives "See, spanking me is really not that weird."

[njhoneybadger]

20. It doesn't get any better than this

OMG,he is not the big Macho lady's man he wants everybody to believe he is.
He prefers to be submissive to a Dominatrix actually humiliated.
The man behind the curtain is finally revealed.
We no longer have to wonder what Kompromat Putin has.
Bye bye Donnie

[smirkymonkey]

22. That's what I am thinking. If she discloses all, it's going to reveal

a side of Trump that clashes bigly with his tough-guy, macho-man image and that is what bothers him the most. As it has been said before, Trump is ALL about image. In fact that is all he has because there is nothing else there. Once his carefully crafted image has been broken down, what will he have left? This is why he doesn't want his taxes released, he doesn't want people to see that he is not as rich and successful as he pretends to be.

[njhoneybadger]

24. Exactly, it's all FAKE

[safeinOhio]

23. Well, spank me and call me Sally.

No, really. Spank me and call me Sally.

[njhoneybadger]

25. I hope SHE doesn't have any pics spanking his big fat pimply ass

[LongTomH]

52. I really need to get that image out of my head!!!!!

[demmiblue]

26. OK, Sally.

[lunatica]

47. LOL!

You’re such a nice and obliging person!

[dubyadiprecession]

27. Just how much more can Melania take????

[erronis]

36. She'll "take it" until putine calls her home.

Or disposes of her.

[Still In Wisconsin]

43. Depends on the pre-nup. n/t

[getagrip_already]

31. well, there are photo's floating about...

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deteted image since it unfortunately fake.

but real ones are likely out there....

[dameatball]

33. I call BS.....the hands are too big!

[lindysalsagal]

40. Is that photoshopped???? No WONDER he keeps saying it's all fake news!

[LongTomH]

54. Aaaaaarrrgggghhhh!!!!!

[FakeNoose]

56. You should DELETE this - it's definitely fake

I believe we shouldn't post photos on DU unless they are marked as fake (or else it's obvious.)
The original thread on Twitter (source for this photo) does make it clear that this is fake.
The photo was "real" but Trump's face is photoshopped onto the other guy's body.

[getagrip_already]

63. oh fudge.....

ok, Ill get rid of it. I didn't know it was fake, but frankly, there are probabbly real ones just li9ke it.

[FakeNoose]

64. I know, sometimes it's so hard to tell

But this one is sort of obvious, especially when you see what the other posters say farther down on the thread.

[Still In Wisconsin]

34. Not to be negative, but unless it comes out that TRUMP has sexual attraction toward males, his base

won't care. They don't care if he "grabs 'em by the pussy," and I doubt they would care if he likes it rough or if he likes to play sub a little bit. But put him with a boy/man, and all bets are off.

[dameatball]

37. I dunno.......maybe she is just gonna say she had more fun with Steve Bannon. That won't sit well.

[Alpeduez21]

38. Correct, his base doesn't like women.

Why can't they just know their place?

[poboy2]

41. The old 'live boy or dead girl' (hat tip Edwin Edwards) -nt

[njhoneybadger]

61. Really, read response #22

[bucolic_frolic]

39. You mean he's a sub?

He is strange enough

[Mr.Bill]

42. I've said this here before, and I'll say it again.

If there is video of him cutting the heads off live babies, it won't cost him one percentage point of his base.

Nothing will affect these assholes. Nothing. They are too invested at this point. They will somehow make excuses for it or rationalize it.

Cutting heads off live babies? They will say the babies were probably Muslims and would have grown up to be terrorists. Get it? That's how this is going to go.

[thbobby]

44. I really don't give a shit

About how kinky trump is. Yech! I do care about illegal payoffs, perhaps to many more than Stormy. I do care about how the evangelicals (so called) justify this and twist themselves into pretzels saying Jesus forgives him for loving to be spanked by porn stars. And for adultery on his third wife.

[FakeNoose]

45. Maybe she has a PEE tape of her own?

Wouldn't that be something!

[Shrike47]

48. I think shes going to say he couldnt get it up without some kink.

He was chasing porn actresses in hopes of restoring his manly vigor by exotic stimulation. But it rarely worked.

That would be totally opposite from the dominant, potent male picture he wants to present.

[not fooled]

72. That's probably why

she made such a point of saying it was "generic" or bland, vanilla yadda yadda yadda sex--a red herring to keep people from thinking he is into kink.

If she gets to tell all...we will find out.

[Doodley]

49. Behavior by Trump consistent with the Steele Dossier claims

[dameatball]

50. I agree. I said that in posy # 6....fits like a glove. Glad I am not the only one that sees that.

[Eliot Rosewater]

53. And we need to understand that this idiot, this child, this liar, this traitor, this

thief, has an IQ of around 85, no education at all, no experience negotiating where he cant cheat people and get away with it and THAT is who we are sending in to negotiate with a madman with nukes.

[HootieMcBoob]

57. Exactly n/t

[myraphilips]

51. disgusting

ughh Im going to puke.

[NoMoreRepugs]

55. To me, anything that causes the Dotard to lose a few % of the die-hards support is a good thing.

[w100jmi]

58. I suspect it was a threesome with Ivanka....nt

[Enoki33]

59. Pretty much everything dotard says about himself is the

opposite of who and what he really is. Stormy Daniels ( and l do not respect her less) exposing the one major lie about himself that helps to bolster his white racist supporters has the potential to make them question others. Sex is the stimulating political selling point that may make them realize all the other fake sales pitches they have been fed by the bus loads. Anyway, it is the possibility of hope that will be more entertaining than the reality show masquerading as government.

[njhoneybadger]

65. So true, when he is accusing he is projecting,when it's about himself he is trying to decieve

Every freaking time

[NastyRiffraff]

60. If she says he couldn't get it up, he's finished

but the epic whining will be worth an Oscar.

[bettyellen]

66. And once she says they were naked together- she can pretty much describe lots of humiliation and

He rally can’t counter it if the bones of it are believed.

[Nitram]

69. I thought it was suspicious that Stormy emphasized that Trump was only into "white bread" sex,"

"nothing kinky." I read that as, "He's a Perv!"

[duforsure]

71. Absolutely,

With a lot more women out there, a lot more payoffs to be exposed, and abortions, rape, and threats , its got him worried .

[Upthevibe]

73. Interesting...n/t