holy moly chris matthews put out a potential trump-biden run and....

[samnsara]

...i could feel my BP lowering. I love Joe! he makes me feel safe. He makes me feel like he will protect America. He doesnt need any on the job training.

[Eliot Rosewater]

1. Trump vs Biden?

If that is the case then I Have only one criticism of Joe...


wait, not now, criticism NOW is stupid.

Never mind

GO JOE

[stonecutter357]

2. Joe Biden 2020 !

[getagrip_already]

3. here here!!!!

Nobody from the last primary series should run again. Biden will clean their clocks anyway.

Go Joe, Go!

[patricia92243]

4. Biden as Trump's VP??? Don't quite understand the post.

[dewsgirl]

6. LOL, I'm happy I'm not the only one who thought this.

[still_one]

7. You are right it is ambiguous. However, there is no way Biden would be part of a trump

administration, and if Matthews was pushing that BS, then Matthews is out of his mind

[still_one]

5. If Joe Biden wins the Democratic nomination I will of course whole heartedly support and vote for

him, but Biden has got a lot of baggage and in my view isn't the best we have to offer

[Demsrule86]

22. I love Biden...and would vote for him.

[still_one]

24. Good. Until Biden actually declares, and we know who will be the Democratic candidates seeking the

Democratic nomination, it is pretty much a moot discussion

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

54. Not sold on Joe yet, considering other potential 2020 candidates, but, certainly would vote

for him if nominated. No question, he could hit the ground running, without the need for any on the job training.

[still_one]

55. no doubt about it

[Eko]

8. Biden has a lot of baggage.

The picture of him with the homeless man, being VP to one of the best presidents of my lifetime, and just generally being a great guy. Also, those MEME'S!!!!!!!!!!!

[nolabear]

9. Ive come to that conclusion myself. Hes got it all.

He’s old, I know, but he’s got folksiness, charisma, he’s plain spoken, and that wrapping is around a smart, generous, humane, experienced, well respected man who knows what it’s like to serve and to lose a kid who served.

I’d vote for him in a heartbeat.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

10. I feel exactly the same, my dear nolabear! n/t

[nolabear]

11. I knew you would. And heck, old as I am hes kinda cute too.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

12. Age is no barrier for being cute!

[Cha]

41. Oh yeah.. he's cute.

[eleny]

15. After the horror inducing nightmares that Trump brought us Biden would be calming

A while back I may not have felt this way. But someone who is smart, knows the score, understands Washington and policy without the mania is what we need after the age of tRump. I'd vote for Biden in the Primaries.

[R B Garr]

18. Me, too. I think people will be welcoming a stable presence, someone who

knows how government operates and is not divisive. By divisive, I don't mean totally baggage free, I mean someone who looks at the big picture and tries to heal and not someone who exploits and conjures up weaknesses to attack others with.

[nolabear]

26. Exactly. Calming and intelligent.

I like the idea more all the time.

[EffieBlack]

37. What makes him so "calming and intelligent"?

[11cents]

13. Well of course Tweety is all about Biden

He has "authenticity," a non-shrill voice, and Real American genitalia. And I wonder how many "progressives" who were all over Hillary because of the Crime Bill will embrace Biden, who wrote it?

I'd vote for him, of course. Hell, even Anita Hill probably would -- no other choice. And hey, what's another ember in the slow-burning rage-fire?

[Demsrule86]

21. I love Joe Biden...and Bernie Sanders voted for it also you know.

[EffieBlack]

39. Yes - one of the reasons I was so disgusted by his attacks on Hillary

She didn't even vote for it, but the men who voted for it (including the one who wrote it) are seen as progressive heroes and given a complete pass.

[EffieBlack]

32. I'd vote for him in a second if he were the nominee

But the double standard is really pissing me off.

As you said, the record that progressives absolutely trashed Hillary over gets a big "meh - because Biden is so strong and calm" from the same people. And while they have never forgiven Hillary for every single real and imagined misstep ("she's FLAWED, you know&quot , all is forgiven about the Anita Hill debacle.

The idea that Biden should be the one because he may connect with Chris Matthews' "real Americans" - the white working class - totally ignores that he's not universally revered by black and brown folk, many of whom remain deeply troubled by his abysmal record on desegregation, which he's never explained or apologized for. They kept quiet about it when he was Obama's VP, but that doesn't mean we've forgotten it or that it won't undercut enthusiasm for him in the black community.

And let's not forget his tendency to say really stupid things.

[CBHagman]

44. So flawed she won more votes than any man except Barack Obama.

After 2016 we almost went deaf and blind from the calls for and posts from pundits and others demanding that Hillary Clinton don sackcloth and ashes or, better yet, simply withdraw to a cloistered life. And all the voters who backed her were treated as though they simply didn't exist.

[EffieBlack]

46. Yep

But Joe Biden - that's a horse of a different gender ... I mean color ... or something. But it's different.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

58. Joe doesn't get a pass from me on the Anita Hill debacle... but, doesn't disqualify him either.

[flamingdem]

14. I'm pro-Jo

Not the time to take chances and with hindsight I wish I'd been more supportive of him running in '16

[kairos12]

16. Biden isn't mean enough to beat Drumpt.

[BlueStater]

17. Biden will not be the nominee and Trump will hopefully be gone by then.

I don't expect to see either one of their names on the next presidential election ballot.

[Demsrule86]

20. Biden might be there.

[Demsrule86]

19. I love Joe Biden too...he one of the good ones.

[colsohlibgal]

23. Like a Joe A Lot

But he is just too old and we need new blood, new names, not retreads. We have several possible strong candidates a generation or more younger.

JFK said in his Inaugural speech in 1961 that it was time for the torch to be passed to a new generation. Now is a similar time IMHO.

[Blaukraut]

25. Joe Biden would be the perfect candidate against Trump

He might not be the most exciting guy who could run, but after Trump, the country will crave reliable, competent, kind, warm, and respected.

[still_one]

29. Perhaps we should wait until he declares, and also see who the other potential Democratic candidates

[Blaukraut]

34. Of course. Just running with Matthews' hypothetical

I personally don't care who ends up as the nominee. Whoever it is has to be better than Trump.

[still_one]

36. absolutely

[Golden Raisin]

27. Can we please get through 2018 first?

[still_one]

30. ya think?

[TeamPooka]

28. We need fresh blood running. Kamala Harris 2020! nt

[EffieBlack]

31. But Hillary needs to shut up and go away because she's too old and we need new blood

or she lost a presidential race or her record was too problematic or something something, blah blah blah.

This reminds me of something pundits repeatedly said whenever President Obama had a Supreme Court pick: "So, do you think the president will try to go for diversity or competence?" In other words, will he lower standards and select a woman or minority or not take any chances go with a tried and true white man, who we know will automatically be qualified?

Being a white man sure has its privileges, doesn't it?

[brer cat]

33. It's not even thinly veiled.

Who else have we heard that about? DiFi, Pelosi? The double standard is alive and well.

[EffieBlack]

40. Unreal, isn't it?

I expect this kind of sexist double standard on the GOP side. But it's sickening to see it among ourselves.

[BlueStater]

59. It's bullshit. I agree.

Feinstein is too old to be a senator, but Sanders and Biden are still viable presidential candidates at 79 and 78? What a complete joke.

[nolabear]

43. Who would you put up that you think could win?

Honest question.

[EffieBlack]

45. It's March 2018 - we haven't even gotten through the mid-term yet

So I have no idea.

Another reason I think trying to annoit Biden is ridiculous.

[nolabear]

47. Okay. When you do get enthused do post it.

[okieinpain]

35. i could deal with it after he was forced to drop out

in 2016.

[appalachiablue]

38. Go Joe! with Kamala Harris, Corey Booker or Joe K. III.

Tweety the Philly guy likes Scranton Joe of course which is fine.

[EffieBlack]

48. Of course he does - but the women and people of color he finds off-putting

for some reason ...

He exemplifies good-old-boy tribalism.

[appalachiablue]

50. Joe's negatives and issues I'm aware of for sure, only an idea now.

It's his recognition, seniority and electability, not the old white guy stuff, that's worth considering just now IMO.

PoC and/or woman must be on the 2020 ticket.

There's still TIME to see what shakes out.

[EffieBlack]

56. The problem I have is that people are willing to treat Biden's negatives as an aside, no big deal

while Hillary's negatives were treated as dealbreakers.

This is not to be critical of you, but I'm using your comment as an example of what I'm talking about -

You said, "Joe's negatives and issues I'm aware of for sure ... but it's his recognition, seniority and electability that's worth considering."

This is something we rarely heard people say about Hillary. For her, it was flipped:

"Yes, she has recognition, seniority, but her negatives are really going to be a problem that could affect her electability."

In addition, her recognition and seniority were also treated as negatives - she was too establishment, was around too long - while those are treated as attributes for Biden (and other men).

[appalachiablue]

57. Absolutely, she was relentlessly attacked, it stinks & look at the mess we're in.

It's enough to just crawl up, but we can't. And we know they'll attack Joe or any Dem., and employ any corrupt means again to try to defeat Dems. if things don't change, like a big Blue Wave Backlash!

[CousinIT]

52. YEP. A Biden + any of those on a ticket would be GREAT! n/t

[Yavin4]

42. I worked on Biden's presidential campain....in 1988!!!

He had to drop out of the race because he plagiarized a Neil Kinnock speech. Imagine that! How far have we fallen?

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history_lesson/2008/08/the_write_stuff.html

[Sampan]

49. Thinking of Biden running against Trump gives me the thrills

[CousinIT]

51. If Biden runs & wins the primary, he'll have my vote!

No hesitation whatsoever.

[Maven]

53. Matthews is a boob whos way past his sell-by date. nt