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DFW

(54,275 posts)
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 06:48 AM Mar 2018

Could it be that even Koch money is finite?

There are maybe 60 to 80 House races that are in play and close enough to warrant a full battle. Probably few will be as close as PA-18, but that was supposed to be a safe Republican district, and they hit the panic button too late.

You can bet they are not waiting any longer for the November races. But are Chuck and Eddie willing to cough up $10 million for every one of those races? Plus another ten Senate races that are close, too? If so, we're talking close to Ten Billion Dollars. That is close to ten per cent of their combined net worth, and I doubt much of that is in liquid assets, with another round up again in just two years.

The Koch brothers are in their seventies and have more money than they'll ever be able to spend on themselves. So, they are looking to leave their mark on the country and history. History will be written later, but the country has the chance to impress upon them that the mark they are trying to leave is not one that the rest of the country wants.

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Could it be that even Koch money is finite? (Original Post) DFW Mar 2018 OP
Maybe it's because this seat is temporary? octoberlib Mar 2018 #1
In Theory, of course Sherman A1 Mar 2018 #2
Plus they rake in piles from other big donors. lastlib Mar 2018 #14
Id love to know how much was spent per vote in the 18th spinbaby Mar 2018 #3
One can only hope. The Kochs have been extremely destructive to our democracy. octoberlib Mar 2018 #4
I have no doubt they played a role in the Trump Russia gate. Initech Mar 2018 #18
Think of all the women running and how many more women may be willing to donate now brewens Mar 2018 #5
Trumps 1.5 trillion in tax cuts is a lot of money to bash the democrats over the head with. Mr. Sparkle Mar 2018 #6
How much did the национальная винтовка throw in? Fritz Walter Mar 2018 #7
heh Roland99 Mar 2018 #8
Just more proof that a ton of money wont win an election. 7962 Mar 2018 #9
KOch brothers will throw all their money away in trying save their power but money does not beachbum bob Mar 2018 #10
Remember their ideological network of billionaires. There are many. Among them, 200-300 university ancianita Mar 2018 #11
I'm betting that they will establish a foundation to fund PACs after they're gone. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #12
While Pittsburgh is not small NewJeffCT Mar 2018 #13
This wasnt Pittsburgh spinbaby Mar 2018 #19
understood NewJeffCT Mar 2018 #20
Ill never understand the Koch brothers moose65 Mar 2018 #15
Their father founded the John Birch Society. Politics is their religion. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #16
$10 mill was from ALL outside sources. Kochs were "hundreds of thousands" of it. thesquanderer Mar 2018 #17

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
1. Maybe it's because this seat is temporary?
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 07:07 AM
Mar 2018

There's another election in November and they didn't want to waste a ton of money on a months long Congressional seat. Both candidates are going to have to turn around and keep campaigning for November elections. The district they're in won't exist anymore and Lamb might have an easier road.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
2. In Theory, of course
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 07:11 AM
Mar 2018

but, I wouldn't expect them to exactly bow out and call it a day. There will be plenty of Koch Bros and like money spent by the GOP in the midterms and in the future. Remember they just got a big tax cut that will give them even more cash.

lastlib

(23,146 posts)
14. Plus they rake in piles from other big donors.
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 08:41 AM
Mar 2018

It's not infinite, but it's still a large enough percentage to do a helluva lot of damage if we don't fight it tooth and nail.

spinbaby

(15,088 posts)
3. Id love to know how much was spent per vote in the 18th
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 07:24 AM
Mar 2018

They probably spent at least $10 just in junk mail sent to my house.

Initech

(100,034 posts)
18. I have no doubt they played a role in the Trump Russia gate.
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 09:07 AM
Mar 2018

When we get back in power we need to investigate the hell out of them.

brewens

(13,537 posts)
5. Think of all the women running and how many more women may be willing to donate now
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 07:42 AM
Mar 2018

than before. It could be staggering! It wouldn't take all that much from any of them to bury what the Koch's would be willing to do.

Mr. Sparkle

(2,927 posts)
6. Trumps 1.5 trillion in tax cuts is a lot of money to bash the democrats over the head with.
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 08:02 AM
Mar 2018

That 10 million is pocket change. But with the right candidate we can over come the negative ads.

Fritz Walter

(4,290 posts)
7. How much did the национальная винтовка throw in?
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 08:03 AM
Mar 2018

That's "National Rifle Association" in Russian.
Hey, they funnel so much money into that sewer, they might as well get re-naming rights!

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
9. Just more proof that a ton of money wont win an election.
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 08:09 AM
Mar 2018

It was proven in Georgia too; tens of millions spent on the losing Democratic candidate.
The PERSON and the MESSAGE matters most

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
10. KOch brothers will throw all their money away in trying save their power but money does not
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 08:19 AM
Mar 2018

win elections any more as we saw in Pa-18

lets bankrupt those assholes along with the rest of elitist supporters of disastrous republican policies for america's wellbeing. Make america, america again

ancianita

(35,932 posts)
11. Remember their ideological network of billionaires. There are many. Among them, 200-300 university
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 08:33 AM
Mar 2018

law and economics departments. Their cause will not die with them, though that is an event much to be wished. Will it dwindle? Sure. But the will to oligarchic rule will use any means necessary to cover its advancement, and someone else will take up their weaponized philanthropy.

While the Dem leadership has admitted they have nothing to compare to the Koch network, I have yet to see whether they even want to bother with any more than to nobly fight uphill battles every so often.

If this uphill is about winning back the electorals of WI, MI and PA -- still Koch zones -- then so much more work remains toward 2020.

If the Kochs buy remaining state houses for their goal of a constitutional convention -- which they will sell as a "balanced budget amendment" change, but only a starting point for all the changes they intend, and they are four states away from that reality -- that Koch-run constitutional convention will mark the end of democratic rule.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
13. While Pittsburgh is not small
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 08:41 AM
Mar 2018

There are 25 media markets that are larger and that $10 million might need to be more in bigger markets. Imagine how much they'd need in the San Diego, Miami, Dallas or Houston areas?

And, that also doesn't count potentially vulnerable Democrats that Republicans might want to unseat.

spinbaby

(15,088 posts)
19. This wasnt Pittsburgh
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 09:09 AM
Mar 2018

This was the southern suburbs plus vast swaths of rural southwest Pennsylvania.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
20. understood
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 09:19 AM
Mar 2018

but, is that $10 million being spent on ads on radio and TV stations based in Pittsburgh? Or, would residents of PA-18 watch TV stations in Ohio or West Virginia and not Pittsburgh?

moose65

(3,166 posts)
15. Ill never understand the Koch brothers
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 08:45 AM
Mar 2018

I just looked them up -Charles is 82 and David is 77, and they are worth approximately 30 billion dollars each. If I was that old and had that much money, I’d be out enjoying my life instead of trying to grab more and more money. You can’t take it with you, boys!

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