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Comatose Sphagetti

(836 posts)
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 06:28 PM Mar 2018

Lamb victory provides road map on how to win '20 presidential election.

Right-wing authoritarian followers (RWAF's: aka, trumpers) are big on patriotism and nationalism. The fact that Lamb is a Marine vet is a very big deal to many of them. They respect and honor that.
They don't want to hear about Sanders/Warren, BLM, or gay/transgender anything. That's all libtard/snowflake/socialism shit to them. Patriotism they respond to. I know; I live amongst 'em.
Does that mean sacrificing progressive causes to appeal to RWAF's? No. It means presenting a progressive candidate with a military background able to "speak their language," if you will.
Progressive military vets do exist. It would be a good idea to find one for '20.

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Lamb victory provides road map on how to win '20 presidential election. (Original Post) Comatose Sphagetti Mar 2018 OP
How about a WOC or gay vet? You think that would do it? WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2018 #1
A white male vet that ignores lgbt and other minorities JI7 Mar 2018 #6
Yep -- count me out with that shit. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2018 #7
I tend to agree. Patriotism isnt bad. Its okay for Dems to wrap themselves in the flag. OrlandoDem1 Mar 2018 #2
This Comatose Sphagetti Mar 2018 #5
Except that's not what the op is saying. How is being for lgbt not patriotic ? JI7 Mar 2018 #8
OP stated what people want to hear and what they dont want to hear. OrlandoDem1 Mar 2018 #12
And most of the country WANTS to hear about lgbt , blm etc. JI7 Mar 2018 #13
The only thing I said close to what youre posting is that OrlandoDem1 Mar 2018 #14
Wtf are bathroom issues ? That's what republicans run on as way to attack lgbt community JI7 Mar 2018 #15
Whatever. I think you know what Im talking about. OrlandoDem1 Mar 2018 #18
Yes. I know people who complain about bathroom issues are bigots JI7 Mar 2018 #19
Why are you dragging that issue into this? Unless I missed it the OP doesn't mention bathrooms! George II May 2018 #20
Depends on where you are. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #3
Black people are vets, lgbt people are vets. John Kerry, max cleland are vets JI7 Mar 2018 #4
Bring back the unrec button! WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2018 #10
K&R, Lamb didn't got too far center or right on any issue outside of running against Pelosi which uponit7771 Mar 2018 #9
You mean like John Kerry? vi5 Mar 2018 #11
Disagree, they'd simply swiftboat him a la Kerry, radius777 Mar 2018 #16
Lamb had a D behind his name but he was not "progressive" in any sense. former9thward Mar 2018 #17

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,326 posts)
1. How about a WOC or gay vet? You think that would do it?
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 06:30 PM
Mar 2018

Or do you mean just a white male vet who doesn't talk about gay people or "stuff like that"?

JFC, do better.

 

OrlandoDem1

(73 posts)
2. I tend to agree. Patriotism isnt bad. Its okay for Dems to wrap themselves in the flag.
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 06:31 PM
Mar 2018

Fighting over what bathrooms to use is a turnoff to 90% of the country....even most Dem voters.

Stick with green jobs, Medicare, Medicaid, healthcare, Social Security.

 

OrlandoDem1

(73 posts)
12. OP stated what people want to hear and what they dont want to hear.
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 06:42 PM
Mar 2018

My post wasn’t dramatically different.

 

OrlandoDem1

(73 posts)
14. The only thing I said close to what youre posting is that
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 06:57 PM
Mar 2018

bathroom issues are a turnoff to most voters. I have no idea where you live and whom you talk to, but I don’t know anyone fired up about the bathroom. I’m not opposed to lgbt issues. But Dems need to stick to their bread and butter.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
15. Wtf are bathroom issues ? That's what republicans run on as way to attack lgbt community
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 07:01 PM
Mar 2018

And the people who it appeals to are bigots.

 

OrlandoDem1

(73 posts)
18. Whatever. I think you know what Im talking about.
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 07:09 PM
Mar 2018

In the spirit of Democratic unity I’m going to wish you good evening as I don’t see any reason to continue here.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
19. Yes. I know people who complain about bathroom issues are bigots
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 07:12 PM
Mar 2018

It's republicans who made it an issue by passing bills to ban certain people from using it.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
4. Black people are vets, lgbt people are vets. John Kerry, max cleland are vets
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 06:33 PM
Mar 2018

But they didn't embrace bigotry so look what they did to them.

Even fucking john mccain is attacked.

A national candidate will have a far more diverse group to reach out to. This was one district but that's not what we need on the national level.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
9. K&R, Lamb didn't got too far center or right on any issue outside of running against Pelosi which
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 06:36 PM
Mar 2018

... I don't think she minds cause it increases her chances of being SOTH

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
11. You mean like John Kerry?
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 06:36 PM
Mar 2018

I don't disagree, but it's not always as simple or as black and white as "Give them this thing and they will vote".

And all of this discussion and such is fine for regional, house candidates like this where certain districts just need to have someone that may differ from liberal orthodoxy on a few issues.

As long as we don't try to make it a national thing and have everyone else around the country compromise to please a few small regional pockets.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
16. Disagree, they'd simply swiftboat him a la Kerry,
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 07:02 PM
Mar 2018

and selecting an overly conservative candidate would depress the turnout of the Dem base, ie the Obama coalition, which is heavily metropolitan/diverse/young and more socially liberal.

Lamb was good for that district, and he did what he needed to do to win - that's fine - but it shouldn't be a template for the party as a whole.

former9thward

(31,981 posts)
17. Lamb had a D behind his name but he was not "progressive" in any sense.
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 07:05 PM
Mar 2018

At least not how "progressive" is defined on this site. Lamb was pro-gun, pro-life, pro-tariffs, pro-tax cuts and did not campaign against Trump. He says he will oppose Pelosi if she is a candidate for Speaker.

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