Dear Hillary Censors: Please advise when Hillary will be allowed to speak her thoughts out loud

[EffieBlack]

After this November? Or does she need to wait until after the 2020 Presidential Election? But there will be elections after that and it's possible that if she speaks then, she still might offend a Republican voter sometime in the future, so maybe she'll need to wait longer.

So please let us know when Hillary will be entitled to speak.

Thank you.

(asking for a friend)

[NurseJackie]

1. Thank you!

[Egnever]

2. Any time she likes

And when she does just like anyone else if she puts her foot in it she will be criticized for it.

[mythology]

4. This. She said something kind of dumb

Obama talked about people clinging to their guns and religion. Also a dumb statement. That happens. I've said things far more stupid. Neither is a big deal, especially compared to the overall contribution of her words/actions in public life. This is a nothing story and should be treated as such, both by her detractors and by her supporters.

[WhiteTara]

58. Maybe politically "dumb" but truth is truth

since she's not running for any office again ever, she gets to speak her truth. Or is there a special Hillary rule?

(Just saying what a friend told me after asking for another friend)

[BoneyardDem]

60. What she is saying is no harder for the Reps to hear, than Steyer's ads

Both are private citizens and use their clout to voice an opinion. It's done all the time.

[WhiteTara]

71. Except that she's "shrill, doesn't smile enough, smiles too much,

doesn't laugh enough or laughs too much or or or or or"

[BoneyardDem]

72. lol....any port in a storm I suppose.

[Squinch]

77. No. It wasn't dumb, and it wasn't like Obama's statement.

Obama made a true but not flattering statement as a presidential candidate. It might have cost him votes.

Hillary made a true but unflattering statement as a private citizen. There was nothing dumb about it and there is no reason why she should not make such statements. People really need to get over the idea that she owes kid glove treatment to trump voters. They also need to get over the idea that she owes silence on the truth to Democrats.

[Demsrule86]

87. True statement ...in both instances.

[still_one]

40. When Hillary doesn't say anything she is critisized. When Hillary doesn't smile she is critisized.

When people accuse Hillary of doing something she didn't do, and she responds to those accusations, she is criticized for responding

The irony of this faux outrage at something a private citizen has said, while there is no outrage when sanctions against Russia aren't implemented. There is no outrage when Arkansas joins the increasing number of other red states to require proof of employment in order to qualify for Medicaid.

Trump LIES on an almost daily basis, yet the media refuses to call a liar

Where is the outrage

[MustLoveBeagles]

73. Thank you

[MustLoveBeagles]

3. I get so tired of this too

She can say whatever the hell she wants and if people don't like it that's just tough.

[brer cat]

5. Thank you.

[aikoaiko]

6. Who censored Hillary?

:Shrug:

[Exotica]

26. I think they refer to this

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210358115

[melman]

28. Nobody

[LanternWaste]

62. It's fun to pretend satire is literal.

It's fun to pretend satire is literal.

Well... I hope it's pretense, else you may want to avoid Twain, Shakespeare, Zappa, and Colbert.

[aikoaiko]

64. Hyperbole isnt always satire. Its sometimes just a distortion of what happened.

Thank you, but I won’t take your advice.

[Docreed2003]

7. *****crickets*****

For some she’s damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t...I just hope she keeps on keeping on being herself!

[LexVegas]

8. Truth.

[Stinky The Clown]

9. Brava! Effie. Thank you for truth.

[leftstreet]

10. Did she learn nothing from the election?

The GOP demonized her for decades....to the point Trump was able to USE her to fucking win! When his rally freaks were chanting LOCK HER UP!, did she not notice what was happening?

It's not fair, in fact it's horrible. But the GOPers won by doing it. They'd LOVE to keep using her as GOP public enemy #1

[EffieBlack]

13. Their problem with her has nothing to do with anything she says. They oppose her very existence

because she's a threat to them.

And if she didn't exist, they'd oppose the next person who is a threat to them.

Do you really think that if, for example, Bernie or Biden had been the nominee, they wouldn't have ginned up something on them and chanted "Lock him up" - or worse - at their convention?

But by all means, lets drive away our most effective leaders because the GOP doesn't like them.

[leftstreet]

15. Hillary can't be an 'effective leader' representing Democrats

Not after what's happened

And no, it's not fair. We haven't seen (nor probably ever will see) a POTUS candidate as qualified as Hillary.

She can be an effective leader in many areas - but not politics

[EffieBlack]

17. Who said anything about Hillary being an "effective leader representing Democrats?"

I certainly didn't. But not because she can't - because she obviously doesn't want to now.

But Hillary can be anything she damned well pleases and doesn't need your, my or anyone else's permission.

So, please, just stop.

[marylandblue]

19. You don't get it

If Hillary, Nancy Pelosi, Bernie Sanders, Kamala Harris, and Chuck Schumer all quit and moved to Tahiti tomorrow, the next enemy they would pick on would be Joe Biden and they wouldn't stop until he moved there too.

[dawg day]

29. Yes-- and if they don't say anything--

the GOP-suckwads at Fox will just make something up.

This is the group that made Obama wearing a tan suit a scandal, but assert that Trump conspiring with the Russians is no big deal.

We should never try to modify or withhold the truth to suit them.

[herding cats]

23. The problem with that is she has a massive following.

Are we just supposed to tell them all to go away?

It’s the same as with Bernie’s followers who are Democrats. We need to be inclusive to all of them.

[dawg day]

30. We're supposed to say--

Super-thanks to everyone who votes Democrat! That is, we should pay more attention to US-- the Democratic base.

Then we should say, "Hey, Trump voters. If you ever want to vote in your own interest, well, Democrats want to help you stay healthy and train for the jobs of the future and protect your streams and fields and educate your children and take good care of your elderly relatives. Come on over-- the water's fine. The BLUE water."


If they want to vote for people who mean to hurt them, well, there's really nothing we can do to stop that, except remind them that Democratic policies are good for the country. Lying to them, well, that's the GOP way, and shouldn't be ours. If they want to be lied to, they'll vote GOP.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

44. Bernie's followers are basically told to "go away" everyday here by way of the treatment he receives

[Squinch]

80. Well! Now that you've decreed this, I guess the rest of us must put our fingers in our

ears every time she speaks.

What nonsense. The woman is allowed to speak. Whether you think so or not. Why would you let republicans decide who can and can't speak to US?

[leftofcool]

85. I got news for you. Hillary doesn't want to represent Democrats

Why would she want to? I think she has pretty much said go fuck yourselves. As has Howard Dean, Obama, and many others.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

43. THIS

[Baconator]

65. She's not a threat anymore...

Trump and his crowd would cry themselves to sleep for weeks if she went truly private.

[Hekate]

49. You mean the election she WON by 3 million votes over DTs? Despite hacking, Russians, Comey...

...myriad voter suppression techniques, Jill Stein, etc etc etc? SHE WON. MORE OF US VOTED FOR HER THAN HIM.

What exactly was her takeaway supposed to be from this experience? STFU, little lady? What?

What is your takeaway from all this? That we should let the fucking GOP pick our candidates for us? (Oprah's the most beloved and popular woman on the planet and Trump is already smearing her and inviting her into the gutter with him. She's not running, but some idiots put it into his head that she might and he is having a field day.)

Anyone who lets the GOP smear machine pick and choose our Democratic candidates for us is an utter fool. I've read it right here that Pelosi, another woman they love to hate, should be dumped by the Dems because she's "polarizing," when in fact she is incomparably skilled at holding together the Democratic caucus.

[NCTraveler]

53. She drove three million more people to the polls.

What does any comment have to do with their chant of "lock her up".

What an unhinged rant.

[TheSmarterDog]

55. The people who hate Hillary - on the Left and the Right - will always hate Hillary.

Thank you for that insight.

Just understand that this hatred unreasoned & unreasonable, and is based on that very demonetization & the lies that have been told by the RW for decades.

[Squinch]

79. I lulzed. Why should she give a fuck? And if SHE is public enemy #1, then

our next candidate isn't. So why should YOU give a fuck?

Do you live your life to appease those who hate you? I doubt it. So don't require her to do it either.

[badhair77]

11. Yesterday, Meghan McCain called the Clintons a virus in this country, even including Chelsea.

Then she said they should go away. I sent my email directly to The View. If Joy had to apologize to Pence then MM needs to apologize to the Clintons.

Hillary has the right to speak whatever and wherever she wants.

[StevieM]

20. Meghan McCain is terrible. She is very hateful and not someone who should be listened to. (eom)

[madaboutharry]

21. Meghan McCann is an angry bitter person.

She her negativity hangs in the air. She shouldn't be on television.

Someone should ask her if all daughters of failed presidential candidates need to shut up and go away.

[JI7]

34. what a disgusting failure of a human being she is . no talent dumbfuck

only gets on tv because of her name.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

45. Agree, that was SO over the top. Fuck the apology, McCain should be fired!

[dalton99a]

67. Great example

[Wwcd]

12. Lol. No shit. My sentiments also, but I'm not as polite as you are.

Not anymore.

Appreciate your honest & direct post.

[ellie]

14. Thank you!

Much love!

[Me.]

16. You're On A Roll Tonight

another +1

[EffieBlack]

18. I'm just pissed

And completely sick of the sanctimonious sexist double-standards - bashing strong women while lecturing us to tiptoe around bigots.

Screw that.

[madaboutharry]

22. I agree 100%

There are "Hillary Rules" that apply only to her because she exists.

[ismnotwasm]

24. They can go fuck themselves

I can’t believe this shit.

[Guilded Lilly]

25. +++she speaks the truth. If whiny assed Republicans or others...

are still threatened, what a pathetic pity. She needs no one’s approval or permission to tell it like it is.

[CentralMass]

27. It's a brilliant strategy. Her comments will draw those women tRump voters in like flys.

[EffieBlack]

32. If a female Trump voter decides to stick with Trump and the GOP because of something Hillary Clinton

said, they weren't ever going to vote Democratic anyway.

Screw them and leave them over there. They're too stupid to waste any more time on.

[CentralMass]

36. Yes, those 52% of white women who voted for him aren't worth going after.

It's better to piss them off.

[JI7]

38. what pisses them off is seeing non white people get equal rights and do well in society

so maybe we should make minorities lower class citizens again.

[EffieBlack]

39. Are you saying that every one of the 52% of white women who voted for Trump plans to stick with him

because of something that Hillary Clinton said?

If that's the case - which, of course, it isn't - then yes, they aren't worth going after.

[CentralMass]

41. I cant comprehendd why they voted for him the first time.

However i don't think that pissing them off will help.

[JI7]

42. seeing minorites get equal rights pisses them off so maybe we should make minorites lower class

citizens.

[Squinch]

81. So let's silence private citizens telling the truth so we don't hurt the feelings of people who

are unlikely to vote Democratic anyway.

Brilliant.

[left-of-center2012]

31. She's been speaking since the 2016 election

In fact she wrote a book and has been doing book tours, interviews and speeches.
Maybe you missed it?

[EffieBlack]

33. Maybe you missed my point

[left-of-center2012]

35. "when Hillary will be allowed to speak her thoughts out loud"

Uh, since 2016?

[EffieBlack]

37. Whoosh!

[fescuerescue]

46. Maybe I'm wrong, But I doubt that Hillary checks in with DU

before she makes any public statements.

People will always have an opinion about what a politician should say or not say. There are literally millions of eyes and ears on them. Sometimes those people will have their own opinions and express them.

Trust me. Hillary has this covered.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

47. Maybe she should!! haha!!

[Squinch]

82. Right. How else will she hear the ignorant trolls here who want to tell a private citizen to

shut up when she makes a truthful statement? Ha ha.

"Oh, WE can't say that!!!! The republicans might get mad at us!!!"

Asinine.

[emulatorloo]

89. +1.

[DURHAM D]

48. Apparently when she has a gender change. nt

[Gothmog]

50. I am curious about this

[Eliot Rosewater]

51. Never, it is Hillary and in case you didnt know, also a woman, like Pelosi.

See how it works?

[TheSmarterDog]

52. When Kellyanne Conway agrees with them, they should know they have a problem.

[NCTraveler]

54. You are going to upset racists and bigots. Please stop.

Their little sensibilities are being hurt and they won't vote for Democrats. Why do you hate Democrats?

[ismnotwasm]

56. No shit.

There is no value in chasing down the votes of bigots. Of Black women who voted, 94% voted for Hillary Clinton— a stunning statistic. The votes were not because of a love of Hillary Clinton, but because she was the best option. Black women mobilize themselves.

Fuck chasing white angst voters, it’s time to move on to the future.

[NastyRiffraff]

57. Post of the day!

Thanks, Effie. BTW, the answer to your questions is: "never," according to some people, including some here on DU. You know who they are. They're showing themselves right here in this thread with the same old, tired, shit.

[LanternWaste]

59. Their concern is adorable and touching

Their concern is adorable and touching. Especially the four this morning who imply Dems will receive more votes had she simply not said anything.

They also pretend your sentiment is literal rather than satirical (e.g. "who said she can't speak?" said in a almost sincere tone that seven heavy drinkers might actually believe to be true)

[EffieBlack]

61. Lol!

Right?

[Baconator]

63. Whenever she likes...

... but hopefully to the benefit and not detriment of the party.

[Orsino]

66. Clinton is strong enough to take criticism, and has decades of practice.

Some of it is even valid, and she certainly understands that no poltician can avoid offending people sometimes.

[dalton99a]

68. But one must exercise great care to avoid offending the delicate sensibilities of Republicans

who voted for the pussy-grabbing shithole son of a bitch con man

[mcar]

69. K&R

[Cuthbert Allgood]

70. She can say whatever she wants whenever she wants

We can also say we disagree with her. And if we disagree with her, it doesn't make us Republicans or Russians or trolls.

Or maybe you can let us know when we can disagree with her.

[LexVegas]

74. You think she was too hard on Trump voters, huh? Disagree to your hearts content.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

75. No. I've been pretty clear about what I didn't like

I think she was not using anything close to rhetoric that was going to get states that voted Dem before to want to do it again. Specifically I was talking about Wisconsin which I know the most about. It's all there for you to read if you wish to disagree with anything I've said. But telling Wisconsin they are "backward" and don't like blacks and women having rights isn't going to turn Wisconsin blue again.

[LexVegas]

86. Truth hurts.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

90. Yes, Madison and Milwaukee are horrible places

The state that went for Obama twice hates black people getting rights.

Keep up the attitude and I'm sure you'll win all the hearts in Wisconsin.

[Squinch]

83. Do you disagree with her? If so, why do YOU think 52% of white women voted for trump?

[Cracklin Charlie]

76. Best. Headline. Ever.

[Paladin]

84. Anybody seeking to silence Hillary is immediately suspect, from my standpoint.

I say it again: IMMEDIATELY SUSPECT.

I recommend that all for-real Democrats adopt the same viewpoint.

[MLAA]

88. Im with you Effie.