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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 08:37 AM Mar 2018

Pelosi In Peril?


March 15, 2018 at 8:26 am EDT By Taegan Goddard

Mike Allen: “Top Democrats tell me that if they take back the House in November, a restoration of Speaker Nancy Pelosi is no longer guaranteed.”

“In fact, some well-wired House Democrats predict she will be forced aside after the election and replaced by a younger, less divisive Dem…. Pelosi has hung in through the minority, and remains the party’s most consistent fundraiser. As for whether she’ll return as Speaker, she has just said that it’s up to the members. (Her allies note that she has never lost a leadership vote.)”

Playbook: “Nancy Pelosi has thick skin. She would love nothing more than for Democrats to win back the House majority. If people dump on her en route to the majority, fine.”

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https://politicalwire.com/2018/03/15/pelosi-in-peril/
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Pelosi In Peril? (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2018 OP
That's Nancy for ya! Cha Mar 2018 #1
She is a badass! mcar Mar 2018 #2
Yeah, she is.. she knows Cha Mar 2018 #5
Indeed. Gots to get rid of those nasty nasty wemins WhiteTara Mar 2018 #14
I notice those who Cha Mar 2018 #16
Don't remind them...she'll be next on the list! WhiteTara Mar 2018 #19
It's Important To Choose Our Next Speaker Carefully ChoppinBroccoli Mar 2018 #3
PRESIDENT ADAM SCHIFF has a very nice ring to it! bullwinkle428 Mar 2018 #6
I am with you on Adam Schiff! democratisphere Mar 2018 #11
Dems shouldn't be counting chickens that haven't hatched yet Jersey Devil Mar 2018 #4
If we regain the majority... NCTraveler Mar 2018 #7
Is this just another ploy? duforsure Mar 2018 #8
There is always talk about these things from both sides NewJeffCT Mar 2018 #9
Mike Allen for Democratic strategy? gratuitous Mar 2018 #10
Nancy Pelosi is currently 77 years old. Funtatlaguy Mar 2018 #12
Why aren't you saying that about Bernie? WhiteTara Mar 2018 #15
I wasnt asked about them. Id say the same thing. Funtatlaguy Mar 2018 #20
I don't see it as "in peril" Phoenix61 Mar 2018 #13
Interesting how these Is Pelosi in trouble media (and DU) pile-ons suddenly appear EffieBlack Mar 2018 #17
+100. We know this OP is attack crap because it calls Nancy "divisive." Hortensis Mar 2018 #24
Demonizing Nancy Pelosi is not a magic bullet; it's simply the only one they have. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #26
:) I like that line also. The demonizers within Hortensis Mar 2018 #28
Republicans FEAR Nancy Pelosi. dchill Mar 2018 #18
#fakenews. stonecutter357 Mar 2018 #21
What a silly debate. Pelosi will just shrug. MineralMan Mar 2018 #22
That question sounds JUST like what Fox wants us to say about the one who could be the next speaker DFW Mar 2018 #23
The Party is stronger than Nancy Pelosi. kentuck Mar 2018 #25
It is well past time for a new generation of leaders. Very exciting! tritsofme Mar 2018 #27
Who would replace her? You can't beat somebody with nobody? FarCenter Mar 2018 #29
No surprise this is coming from Mike Allen, formerly of Politico. Typical gossip crap Allen is known still_one Mar 2018 #30
There's no point in making a change after the election BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #31
President Pelosi AlleganCarpenter Mar 2018 #32

Cha

(297,180 posts)
1. That's Nancy for ya!
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 08:44 AM
Mar 2018
Playbook: “Nancy Pelosi has thick skin. She would love nothing more than for Democrats to win back the House majority. If people dump on her en route to the majority, fine.”

Cha

(297,180 posts)
5. Yeah, she is.. she knows
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 08:50 AM
Mar 2018

when it comes down to it.. it's not about her.. it's about our country and Planet.

Btw..



The rw has spent Million$ of bucks demonizing Nancy Pelosi for decades.. and here we are.

mcar

WhiteTara

(29,704 posts)
14. Indeed. Gots to get rid of those nasty nasty wemins
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 09:08 AM
Mar 2018

Best at the job? Too F*ing bad you nasty woman! We don't want you. If you were an old man, we would hang on your every word, but woman? Not nubile, so no good, only pretty women allowed in the game, and they better keep their mouths shut and just look pretty. of course.

There is no greater force than a post-menopausal woman with zest. Margaret Meade

Cha

(297,180 posts)
16. I notice those who
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 09:11 AM
Mar 2018

say Nancy's too old are not saying that about Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who turns 85 today

WhiteTara

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
3. It's Important To Choose Our Next Speaker Carefully
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 08:47 AM
Mar 2018

Because there's a chance he/she could become President. Call me an optimist, but I think Mueller takes down Trump AND Pence.

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
4. Dems shouldn't be counting chickens that haven't hatched yet
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 08:49 AM
Mar 2018

There's a lot of work to do first. If we win back the House then we can fight each other over leadership posts with smiles on our faces, but until then they shouldn't talk about it.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. If we regain the majority...
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 08:52 AM
Mar 2018

A vote for our leadership will be held and Pelosi won’t be in the running.

All of this is nothing more than a distraction from the Republican shit show.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
9. There is always talk about these things from both sides
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 08:54 AM
Mar 2018

there were rumors that Paul Ryan would be ousted as Speaker after 2016, but it never happened and I don't think there was anything serious to challenge him

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
10. Mike Allen for Democratic strategy?
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 08:54 AM
Mar 2018

That's like listening to Dylann Roof on race relations. No thanks.

Funtatlaguy

(10,870 posts)
12. Nancy Pelosi is currently 77 years old.
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 09:00 AM
Mar 2018

I love what she has done for our party and our country.
But she is simply not relatable to many of our voters.
Plus, she’s a lightning rod that the left uses to bludgeon us with.
Lamb blunted that in his race by saying he would not vote for her as Speaker.

I wish she would retire to an awesome party and a resounding ovation from Democrats.
We all need to know when it’s time to retire.
I love you, Nancy. You are a true patriot and a great American.

WhiteTara

(29,704 posts)
15. Why aren't you saying that about Bernie?
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 09:10 AM
Mar 2018

He's older than her? Why not Steny Hoyer? Why not any old MAN in the House or the Senate?

Just asking for a friend.

Funtatlaguy

(10,870 posts)
20. I wasnt asked about them. Id say the same thing.
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 09:48 AM
Mar 2018

It may sound ageist, but I’m a senior as well.
I think over 75 is just not the time to run for an office.
Do we want all of our leaders in their 80s when in Office ?
Go enjoy your retirement or do some part time work or volunteering.

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
13. I don't see it as "in peril"
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 09:07 AM
Mar 2018

She has done an amazing job of keeping Dems together but if we get the majority back I think it's time for her to pass the baton on to the next generation. We haven't done the best job of grooming new leaders and that would be an excellent way to start.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
17. Interesting how these Is Pelosi in trouble media (and DU) pile-ons suddenly appear
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 09:15 AM
Mar 2018

at certain points, in the election cycle while we don’t see any similar speculation or demands to step aside regarding any other high level leadership ...

For example, the GOP just got its clocked cleaned in Pennsylvania, but no one is blaming Paul Ryan or speculating whether he’s in trouble or obsessing over whether he should step down. But Pelos, whose party WON the race, is being subjected to this.

When the GOP lost he Alabama Senate seat, there was no drumbeat for McConnell’s ouster. But when Osoff lost in Georgia, it was Nancy Pelosi’s fault.

It’s Pelosi’s fault when we lose. It’s Pelosi’s fault when we win.

See a pattern here?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
24. +100. We know this OP is attack crap because it calls Nancy "divisive."
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 10:12 AM
Mar 2018

Nancy has always been a uniter, a builder of coalitions, the key to her great competence. Her caucus won't be choosing someone else in November.

I'm very disgusted that, just as with their common demonizing of the ACA, including sharing propaganda, the rule-or-ruin left has been piggybacking on the Republican's tactic of demonizing Pelosi. And claiming she's a handicap to our party. Contemptible, but they can't argue on issues.

Here's Senator Barney Frank last fall on the right's attacks on Pelosi:

In Pelosi's case, there are three factors that are increasing their desire to target her.

* First, there is the fact that she is the only woman in American history to hold one of the three major policy-making positions in the federal government.

* Second, using San Francisco as a symbol of moral decay is a convenient way of dog-whistling several prejudices which "respectable" politicians do not want to voice explicitly.

* Third, less recognized but maybe most important, she has been one of the most successful Speakers in decades. The negative passions she incites are clearly fueled by her record: Much of this year's Republican agenda consists of efforts to undo the legislative record she helped compile in 2009-2010.

Having noted all of this, I believe that the benefit Republicans get from demonizing her have been exaggerated. Anger at President Obama was the determining factor in the 2010 midterm elections and Democrats did much better than the norm in each of that year's special elections.

The centrality of the anti-Pelosi campaign in Republican plans for the 2018 House elections is not because of its potency, but because of the weakness of every other option. Demonizing Nancy Pelosi is not a magic bullet; it's simply the only one they have.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/14/i-am-starting-to-wonder-which-side-trump-is-rooting-for-in-2018-commentary.html
 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
26. Demonizing Nancy Pelosi is not a magic bullet; it's simply the only one they have.
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 11:16 AM
Mar 2018

But if they can co-opt gullible Democrats into swallowing this crap and get them to drive her out, it’s indeed a potent weapon.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. :) I like that line also. The demonizers within
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 11:27 AM
Mar 2018

can only fool a few, those who want to be fooled, naturally prone to suspicion and mistrust.

But as you say. That's sometimes enough enough to be spoilers if they can't be winners, and when's the latter ever happened? They've not been tagged with that "rule-or-ruin" description for nothing. The only lesson the true believers took from 2016 was that their righteous campaigns could have bitter success against the corruption that rules the rest of us.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
22. What a silly debate. Pelosi will just shrug.
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 09:54 AM
Mar 2018

We have elections to win in November. If we succeed, there will be an election in the House to select the Speaker. Until then, we really, really need to focus on winning back a majority. We do that one seat at a time. The rest will take care of itself.

Pelosi is not the issue. The Republican majority is the issue.

This whole business is a frustrating waste of our time and energy, I think.

DFW

(54,369 posts)
23. That question sounds JUST like what Fox wants us to say about the one who could be the next speaker
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 10:01 AM
Mar 2018

Like Angela Merkel, if Pelosi feels she can still do the job effectively, and she still wants to do the job, I doubt a well-coordinated program of negative innuendo on Fox and on the internet will convince her of the opposite, even if it is repeated on DU twenty times a day. She knows the ropes better than anyone at this point. It's her call as to whether she wants to go for it again or show someone else how to do it with some on-the-job training. ANY new Democratic Speaker will be calling her five times a day asking "NOW what do I do?" for the simple reason that Pelosi will know the answer to the question.

tritsofme

(17,377 posts)
27. It is well past time for a new generation of leaders. Very exciting!
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 11:20 AM
Mar 2018

Pelosi should have resigned in November 2010.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
29. Who would replace her? You can't beat somebody with nobody?
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 11:31 AM
Mar 2018

Hoyer and Clyburn are associated with her and would also have to go.

still_one

(92,183 posts)
30. No surprise this is coming from Mike Allen, formerly of Politico. Typical gossip crap Allen is known
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 11:38 AM
Mar 2018

for.

How about this suggestion instead. Let's win the House in 2018 first, and then worry about who will be the Democratic leader in the House

The only purpose of gossip like this is to stir the pot with hope of causing disunity among Democrats.

In 2013 Allen was involved in a payola scandal where he would give favorable Politico coverage in return for advertising dollars.

https://www.salon.com/2013/12/19/hack_list_no_1_mike_allen/

BannonsLiver

(16,370 posts)
31. There's no point in making a change after the election
Thu Mar 15, 2018, 11:40 AM
Mar 2018

And I'm not saying a change should be made. But if one were to be made, logically, it would be Pelosi announcing before the midterms she wouldn't stand to be leader.

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