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UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 05:10 AM Mar 2018

Trump firing McCabe is sending a message to all career government employees. I'm Trump and I'll get

you in the end. So you better fall in line. Either fall in line and support Herr Trump under any conditions and get your government pension or watch your back.

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Trump firing McCabe is sending a message to all career government employees. I'm Trump and I'll get (Original Post) UCmeNdc Mar 2018 OP
I think this is going to come back and burn trump bigtime. McCabe, Comey, and others in the FBI are still_one Mar 2018 #1
He's just being a bully as always greymattermom Mar 2018 #2
Trump thinks he can run government institutions like he does his oasis Mar 2018 #3
He runs the Presidency like he's still star of TrishaJ Mar 2018 #20
NO. Complete misunderstanding! McCabe is GUILTY of severe Hortensis Mar 2018 #4
Given that the IG report has not been made public Loki Liesmith Mar 2018 #6
Thank you for your vulgarity. The OIG recommended firing Hortensis Mar 2018 #7
And maybe Trump threatened him ...this is bullshit. Don't be fooled Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #11
I'm not only completely fooled, I'm completely Hortensis Mar 2018 #21
Sounds reasonable...I hope we can find out...this is going to make people less likely to cooperate. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #23
:) And vice versa. Hortensis Mar 2018 #24
True...because Trump is untrustworthy...I hate Trump so much. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #25
"the FBI's own Office of Professional Responsibility" annabanana Mar 2018 #18
One doesn't negate the other imo Sunsky Mar 2018 #8
If you're worried about sedition and authoritarianism, Hortensis Mar 2018 #10
The FBI is the only institution that can stop Trump. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #13
And the FBI's Sunsky Mar 2018 #17
He did what they all do...it was as he said his job...now one can argue about whether they should Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #9
No, they don't ALL do it. Please, don't normalize betrayal Hortensis Mar 2018 #12
The FBI has a long standing process of correcting stories that have it wrong for a variety of reason Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #14
Do understand that we have TWO villains here, Hortensis Mar 2018 #15
No, I don't think mcCabe is a villian in this situation. But regardless of our differing opinions, Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #16
Not buying it, and further I think bringing this up is very damaging. mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #28
Nobody's listening. nocalflea Mar 2018 #5
Exactly....both sides or HipChick Mar 2018 #19
Trump's pushing the firing of McCabe feels personal, Ilsa Mar 2018 #22
Seems there may be thousands of highly motivated C_U_L8R Mar 2018 #26
I wonder where he learned that? moondust Mar 2018 #27

still_one

(92,155 posts)
1. I think this is going to come back and burn trump bigtime. McCabe, Comey, and others in the FBI are
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 05:19 AM
Mar 2018

going to be instrumental in taking trump down


oasis

(49,376 posts)
3. Trump thinks he can run government institutions like he does his
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 06:04 AM
Mar 2018

business. He's gonna see more days in civil court than he bargained for.

TrishaJ

(798 posts)
20. He runs the Presidency like he's still star of
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 09:40 AM
Mar 2018

a tv reality show where "you're fired!" is the catch-phrase.

Dementia, anyone??

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. NO. Complete misunderstanding! McCabe is GUILTY of severe
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 06:22 AM
Mar 2018

misuse of power meant to benefit Republicans in the general election.

His actions were the subject of an ethics investigation by the JD's Office of the Inspector General, which recommended McCabe be fired for cause. McCabe was powerful and has powerful friends, and they couldn't save the wreakage of his career, he had to resign, but almost saved his pension.

Note that McCabe was a rising star until he was caught out committing the shocking breach of ethics that ruined his career, so large as to be seditious. Comey also committed similarly seditious breaches of ethics that provided good excuse for Trump to fire him.

WHY did they take these highly public and potentially very self-injurious actions? If they got away with everything, as they clearly hoped, they still would have ruined their reputations among their peers and for the history books. Did they conspire with others? What ELSE did they do?

We may never know most. However, what little has been investigated isn't quite over yet. The OIG also investigated Comey's actions from 2016 and in January 2018 announced its report would finally be released in March or April. Btw, the OIG set aside a request to enlarge the Comey investigation to include Sessions and Flynn until the Mueller investigation was concluded...

Bottom line at this point, though, is that both Comey and McCabe attempted to use the power of the FBI to turn this nation over to the GOP and the big funders pulling its strings. Committed by the #1 and #2 people heading the FBI, this is betrayal of the highest order. Further, both absolutely knew that at the same time Russia was also working to the same purpose -- to get Democrats out of power and Republicans in.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
6. Given that the IG report has not been made public
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 08:03 AM
Mar 2018

It would appear that you are talking out of your butt.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. Thank you for your vulgarity. The OIG recommended firing
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 08:07 AM
Mar 2018

the #2 man at the FBI for actions that would be expected to be injurious to the Clinton campaign -- JUST before election day. And for then lying about it to the OIG.

This decision was joined in by the FBI's own Office of Professional Responsibility.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. I'm not only completely fooled, I'm completely
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 09:41 AM
Mar 2018

committed to expecting a full investigation. Have a nice day, and maybe look into this further -- but not as part of your nice day.

Demsrule86

(68,554 posts)
23. Sounds reasonable...I hope we can find out...this is going to make people less likely to cooperate.
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 10:02 AM
Mar 2018

You have a great day...If you took my statement to mean you were completely fooled than I misspoke. I was talking about Democrats generally...you are not a fool nor easily fooled I know that.

Sunsky

(1,737 posts)
8. One doesn't negate the other imo
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 08:26 AM
Mar 2018

Even though it maybe true that McCabe and Comey "attempted to use the power of the FBI to turn this nation over to the GOP", we know Trump has no regard for what is right, just or lawful. We know that tRump was cheering Comey when he publicly scolded HRC for being careless in handling "classified" info and when he reopened the investigation. We know that tRump thinks the justice department is his and everyone should do his bidding. Whoever doesn't do his bidding, will have to be certain that all their i's are dotted and t's crossed because they'll certainly face retaliation. I am not a Comey or McCabe fan but it's clear to me that these firings were retaliatory.

I'm also very suspicious about the timing of the OIG report and OPR's recommendation. Furthermore, didn't they try to use the same excuse with Comey's firing, only for tRump to then admit it was because of "this Rusher thing"? Do you think if there had been no Russia investigation, Comey or McCabe would've been fired? I believe Comey and McCabe would've been lauded for their efforts and the FBI would've been showered with praises.

We know Trump only cares about Trump. Then what is his motivation for wanting them fired? What did he gain from their firing? I believe the OP is correct. Trump is sending a message to anyone who thinks about crossing him. It also aims to discredit McCabe as a witness, remember he was one of the people Comey spoke to about tRump asking him to shut down the investigation into Flynn.
Also, he might gain credibility in his attacks against the FBI. His seed of distrust for the FBI might now take root. How will this affect the public's trust in the Mueller investigation?
Have you noticed that some in the MSM are already trying to make it seem as if McCabe was being helpful to HRC during the Clinton investigation? When the news broke about this recommendation, Gloria Borger on CNN said: [paraphrased] you know who else (in addition to McCabe) has got to be worried, Hillary Clinton... Now, why does Hillary need to worry about this?
We have a dictator in the making.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. If you're worried about sedition and authoritarianism,
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 08:37 AM
Mar 2018

worry about the FBI. After all, any authoritarian takeover would need its help, not opposition.

And in 2015 and 2016, the FBI direction and the FBI's #2 were both engaged in using the election to turn the U.S. government over to a thoroughly corrupted party largely controlled by ultraconservative billionaires bent on restructuring our government to serve them.

Demsrule86

(68,554 posts)
13. The FBI is the only institution that can stop Trump.
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 08:47 AM
Mar 2018

And I don't think that is true in McCabe's case. If you look at it...the story was critical of the FBI and McCabe gave information to defend the FBI. The Wall Street Journal had it wrong...and often the FBI will try to correct such stories. This isn't about Hillary, it is about saving this country from Trump...there is little point in jumping on McCabe which is Trump wants by the way...remember Trump said he was surprised that Democrats were not happy with the firing of Comey...this is the exact same thing. And if he succeeds in discrediting McCabe...he weakens Mueller's case of obstruction. We should not fall for this shit.

Sunsky

(1,737 posts)
17. And the FBI's
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 09:31 AM
Mar 2018

former director lead an investigation into this billionaires ties with Russia and the hacking of our democracy. This FBI director was then fired for this investigation. The deputy AG then appointed a special prosecutor, who has taken over this investigation and now has 5 guilty pleas to show for it.
The FBI as with ANY institution, has it's good people and bad people. There was a huge screw up during the elections but we now have to stop living in the past, move forward and support those who are earnestly investigating instead of using the tRumpian tactics of vilifying those who can bring him down.

Demsrule86

(68,554 posts)
9. He did what they all do...it was as he said his job...now one can argue about whether they should
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 08:37 AM
Mar 2018

do it, but at the time it was his job to act as a media liaison...we must stand united on this... it is no accident they picked a Hillary Clinton firing offense either...it is intended to pull the wool over the eyes of Democrats. petraeus was convicted of a crime and kept his pension. The torture queen and those who were reprimanded from the FBI in the torture mess were not fired either...this is political and if we ever want an independent justice department again, we must fight back and hard. We must make Trump and his minions pay a heavy price for their traitorous actions It is not about McCabe...it is about saving this country from Trump's corrupt practices...and not allowing him to destroy important institutions. Although, the spite and using presidential powers for revenge is despicable and I feel quite sorry for McCabe. If we don't fight back...those in law enforcement will cease to challenge Trump in fear of his spiteful despicable revenge politics.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. No, they don't ALL do it. Please, don't normalize betrayal
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 08:44 AM
Mar 2018

and corruption. They're not normal.

Powerful opposing forces were involved in both Comey's and McCabe's protection and in their downfalls. It's normal for very powerful people to be protected from the full consequences of their actions with soft-pedaling reports, yes, but McCabe's report still recommended firing him and almost certainly Comey's OIG report is going to fully support the excuse Rosenstein produced for firing him.

I believe they both belong in prison, and what they did is still mostly not being revealed to the public in ways it can't be ignored. But at least they're both gone from the FBI years before they intended, careers at the very top of their profession ruined.

Demsrule86

(68,554 posts)
14. The FBI has a long standing process of correcting stories that have it wrong for a variety of reason
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 08:50 AM
Mar 2018

That is a fact...and it was McCabes job to do this...this is bullshit and we should not fall for it. I don't give a damn about this..Trump is setting up to take down the FBI and Mueller and continue his corrupt practices. And he is trying to get the FBI to look the other way by threatening their jobs. Keep your eye on the ball...don't fall for Trump's lies. My Dad worked for the government when I was a child, and I can tell you this is not the way things are done.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. Do understand that we have TWO villains here,
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 08:56 AM
Mar 2018

McCabe and Trump. And two very different sets of wrongdoings.

Trump is indefensible, and there's no need to imagine that holding McCabe responsible for his own actions somehow absolves Trump of his. It doesn't to even the slightest degree.

And McCabe was recommended fired for cause. It's only because he was not fired in a timely manner (and his pension forfeited back in 2017) that Trump has been able to play his despicably malicious game.

Demsrule86

(68,554 posts)
16. No, I don't think mcCabe is a villian in this situation. But regardless of our differing opinions,
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 09:24 AM
Mar 2018

This was not a typical investigation...Trump somehow got his way...blackmail, a Trumpie supporter...I don't know how yet, but I think it will come out...and the bottom line is Trump used the office of the presidency for political revenge...that can't stand. Nothing else is important really...And I will remind you Trump thought the Democratic anger towards Comey made it acceptable to fire Comey. He is making a second attempt at this...in order to exact revenge on McCabe whom he detests (and to send a I will fuck you up if you cross me message to others in the FBI) and to discredit McCabe as a witness. This is also an effort to lay the groundwork to discredit and fire Mueller. This can't be allowed. Trump threatens our Republic with this behavior...Look at Trump's triumphant tweet about this...he is involved. Trump is the most corrupt and dangerous president in our history. He must be stopped so we can't allow him to trick us by using Hillary and the 2016 election. We need to rise up in as they did in Carolina at the end of the revolution in flaming rebellion and take down this corrupt Russian asset of a president...our Republic is at stake.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
28. Not buying it, and further I think bringing this up is very damaging.
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 02:41 PM
Mar 2018

AFAIC, your whole line of reasoning here is based on suppositions that could EASILY turn out to be bullshit.

There is NO WAY a guy like McCabe comes out with that forceful of a statement the day he's let go ... if he's actually guilty of screwing up to the point that he deserved to be fired outright back in 2017.

Leaving everything else aside, a former FBI ACTING DIRECTOR would never, ever come out publicly with a statement like he did, if he did not KNOW FOR CERTAIN that a) He did NOT deserve to be Fired, and b) that his firing was a political act.

Would not happen. No Chance.

You're wrong.

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
22. Trump's pushing the firing of McCabe feels personal,
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 09:57 AM
Mar 2018

unlike the firings of Tillerson and others in the administration. The firings of former corporate executives don't tug on my heartstrings. The firing of a government worker, even if he is now a millionaire, bothers me. Yes, there may be good reasons to fire him. But he was also dedicated to national security through law enforcement. This seems more like an effort by trump to discredit a Mueller witness.

C_U_L8R

(44,999 posts)
26. Seems there may be thousands of highly motivated
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 01:49 PM
Mar 2018

government employees praying for Trump's ouster.
Some of the brave ones could actually help precipitate it.
Truth and justice will win.

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