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MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:02 PM Mar 2018

Oh boy! Channel 4 just announced theyre airing another undercover film tomorrow where Cambridge Ana

Last edited Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:51 PM - Edit history (1)




Breaking: Channel 4 just announced they’re airing another undercover film tomorrow where Cambridge Analytica say they won the election for Donald Trump and describe how. This is a car crash airing live on TV. Journalism matters.


Edited to add the undercover film/documentary that aired today that you can watch right here:

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Oh boy! Channel 4 just announced theyre airing another undercover film tomorrow where Cambridge Ana (Original Post) MelissaB Mar 2018 OP
and this will be the big one, they always save the best for last..... sunonmars Mar 2018 #1
Oh? do tell. lol...there are more goods to be gotten? Juicer? poboy2 Mar 2018 #63
It's a 4 or 5 part series. elehhhhna Mar 2018 #73
Thanks for you posts on this, MelissaB! octoberlib Mar 2018 #2
Me too Thank you tyvm OhNo-Really Mar 2018 #64
"...and describe how." dchill Mar 2018 #3
Rule #1 of stealing elections : Don't talk about stealing elections. tinrobot Mar 2018 #4
Yep! Zoonart Mar 2018 #46
Simple greed! Dustlawyer Mar 2018 #56
Lucky for us they don't. nm Cha Mar 2018 #67
Go on...... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2018 #5
And why oh why orangecrush Mar 2018 #42
I bet Jon True Blue American Mar 2018 #50
and you can bet CA were working hard for Trump in the primary too. sunonmars Mar 2018 #6
Actually cannabis_flower Mar 2018 #74
Oh, my! Squinch Mar 2018 #7
There will be pant shitting in the WH tonight. sunonmars Mar 2018 #8
I wonder if this is mostly going to be what was revealed today. bearsfootball516 Mar 2018 #9
Yes and backtoblue Mar 2018 #10
It doesn't matter really. The fact they say they did it will be enough. rzemanfl Mar 2018 #13
And how is that different from: Have you ever been promised payoffs erronis Mar 2018 #52
Video and the British raid on Cambridge Analytica will leave them uncertain whether they can rzemanfl Mar 2018 #58
then comes the SayItLoud Mar 2018 #54
US investigative journalists will SayItLoud Mar 2018 #57
I knew when I heard the voice tell me gibraltar72 Mar 2018 #11
Ditch that stuff! AwakeAtLast Mar 2018 #61
How about: Popcorn, seeds only, in a closed bag (rubber band will work). Eyeball_Kid Mar 2018 #71
That works, too! AwakeAtLast Mar 2018 #78
Thanks. K&R TheBlackAdder Mar 2018 #12
NBC? triron Mar 2018 #14
Channel 4 UK Me. Mar 2018 #25
Nope. Channel 4. UK domestic channel. mwooldri Mar 2018 #30
And it is not even Friday!!!! sheshe2 Mar 2018 #15
They aired an undercover film today? During what hour? Boy the things you miss when you go Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #16
7pm GMT uk time. sunonmars Mar 2018 #19
see this Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #20
Thank you ! nt Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #40
welcome! nt Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #44
It's posted here and will make your Lawn Gislander blood run cold. n/t rzemanfl Mar 2018 #31
Thank you! I'm home now and can view! I'm blocked from a lot at work. n/t Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #37
That working shit can be a pain in the ass sometimes. Ligyron Mar 2018 #75
Here's the video, posted by DUer Triron via Seth Abramson tweet. hedda_foil Mar 2018 #17
what laws are broken here? I hate to get people riled up but there make not be any laws broken here lancelyons Mar 2018 #18
The leaders of Cambridge Analytica talk on tape about more direct means of Sophia4 Mar 2018 #21
I have to wash my socks. BBL. n/t rzemanfl Mar 2018 #34
Personal data breach, trafficking in stolen goods, bribery, extortion, libel, slander, AND ... Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2018 #39
Those are the things we hope they nail trump on but the Cambridge Analytica stuff is different. lancelyons Mar 2018 #41
CA offices will be raided by UK law enforcement authorities Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2018 #43
Wall Street doesn't think it's a nothingburger either. Facebook stock is tanking. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #47
Diane Feinstein does NOT think this is a nothingburger Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2018 #45
Dude, where do you get your news? nt SunSeeker Mar 2018 #48
Senator Wyden keeps saying follow the trail of dead Russians. There may be murder as well; Amaryllis Mar 2018 #62
Good God, there's another one? peggysue2 Mar 2018 #22
Maybe Mr. Mueller can look forward to a day off colorado_ufo Mar 2018 #26
I hope so peggysue2 Mar 2018 #49
Sadly it will be seen by almost no one in the US. progressoid Mar 2018 #23
We will tweet the shit out of the link.. it will trend.. samnsara Mar 2018 #28
The New York Times came out with a story on it quickly. MelissaB Mar 2018 #35
Fifty million Facebook users might find some importance in being setup by it nolabels Mar 2018 #66
Dubya won too (or lost by a very small amt. of votes and was shooed in) torius Mar 2018 #24
Why aren't the other republican presidential candidates who ran in the primaries mgardener Mar 2018 #27
Under cover film from today: MelissaB Mar 2018 #29
I updated the OP with this so that people could find it easier. MelissaB Mar 2018 #32
And don't forget that CA is owned by Robert and Rebecca Mercer... B Stieg Mar 2018 #33
Could be the biggest info to drop since the Steele Dossier went public. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2018 #36
Kick backtoblue Mar 2018 #38
Kick & recommend! Holy f***! This is history in the making! bronxiteforever Mar 2018 #51
Kick dalton99a Mar 2018 #53
Oooh, excellent! calimary Mar 2018 #55
Double whoa! triron Mar 2018 #59
The GOP has been so quiet because they've all benefited from CA Hassler Mar 2018 #60
knr triron Mar 2018 #65
Thanks MelissaB CelticWinter Mar 2018 #68
There's more to be looked at with CA and the Mercer's neohippie Mar 2018 #69
Excellent information, well sourced. Thanks for posting and reposting. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2018 #77
This is incredibly important - however I don't think it will bring down Commander Bone Spurs ehrnst Mar 2018 #70
I agree this series doesnt Clarity2 Mar 2018 #76
Please keep us updated. triron Mar 2018 #72
And the hits keep on coming. lpbk2713 Mar 2018 #79
 

poboy2

(2,078 posts)
63. Oh? do tell. lol...there are more goods to be gotten? Juicer?
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 08:54 PM
Mar 2018

Perhaps it involves murder or maybe he will name politicians whom they installed?

Roll the tape sir.

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
9. I wonder if this is mostly going to be what was revealed today.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:11 PM
Mar 2018

Not necessarily breaking down how they won it for Trump, but more or less how they do things in general, i.e. blackmail, sending prostitutes, etc.

backtoblue

(11,343 posts)
10. Yes and
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:14 PM
Mar 2018

How they used unethical propaganda and psychops to incite violence, isolation, and upheaval around the world. This is big.

rzemanfl

(29,556 posts)
13. It doesn't matter really. The fact they say they did it will be enough.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:15 PM
Mar 2018

Every member of Congress needs to by asked by the FBI "Have you been threatened with blackmail?"

erronis

(15,241 posts)
52. And how is that different from: Have you ever been promised payoffs
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 06:54 PM
Mar 2018

Have the FBI ask each member of congress if anyone has ever approached them and said "I will donate to your campaign if you will do xxx for me."

(Of course some of those donations don't need to be declared on any forms - they are conveniently non-traceable.)

rzemanfl

(29,556 posts)
58. Video and the British raid on Cambridge Analytica will leave them uncertain whether they can
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 07:20 PM
Mar 2018

get away with lying.

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
57. US investigative journalists will
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 07:02 PM
Mar 2018

very soon reveal the ties between those Repubics (and I'm sure some Dems) who used CA or I should say got used by CA. They will dig up the $ flow in and out and once again we will hear it's all a witch hunt.

I'm now referring to it as a Which Hunt? There are so many!

gibraltar72

(7,503 posts)
11. I knew when I heard the voice tell me
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:15 PM
Mar 2018

to buy the 40 pack of microwave popcorn something big was gonna break.

AwakeAtLast

(14,124 posts)
61. Ditch that stuff!
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 08:50 PM
Mar 2018

Heavy pan, 2 T oil, 2/3 Cup real popcorn (after 3 kernels pop, lid on med-high heat: best popcorn ever and no fear of popcorn lung!

With as much popcorn as we will be eating, it should be the good stuff!


Eyeball_Kid

(7,430 posts)
71. How about: Popcorn, seeds only, in a closed bag (rubber band will work).
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 10:39 AM
Mar 2018

Toss it in the microwave. It will pop without the oil and chemicals. THEN add melted butter and mini-flake nutritional yeast. Cheesy, buttery, and delicious.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
30. Nope. Channel 4. UK domestic channel.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:50 PM
Mar 2018

News programme at 7pm UK time. No fakery and with a fairness doctrine too. (UK broadcasting law requires fairness). Channel 4 News has a reputation for investigative journalism. While they do cover mainstream news the more mainstream stuff is left to ITV News. Same production company produces ITV News and Channel 4 News.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
16. They aired an undercover film today? During what hour? Boy the things you miss when you go
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:23 PM
Mar 2018

to work for a few hours !

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
18. what laws are broken here? I hate to get people riled up but there make not be any laws broken here
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:27 PM
Mar 2018

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what laws are broken here? I hate to get people riled up but there may not be any laws broken here.

I want to get the POS out of office as well and think the GOP are despicable.

However, using data and crunching data through algorithms does not seem like laws are being broken. It just seems like somebody did a better job.

Sure the data they may have pulled from facebook could be illegal but that doesnt impact trump.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
21. The leaders of Cambridge Analytica talk on tape about more direct means of
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:35 PM
Mar 2018

interfering in elections, but I wasn't sure whether they were saying they did those things or that some other "they" did those things.

I'm not sure on this.

We should change our election laws to make some of the data crunching, etc. transparent or maybe with regard to some things even more illegal than they are now.

The data crunching as Cambridge Analytical does it was not possible or at least not practical maybe 30 years ago.

Time for new laws on election campaigns.

And transparency, absolute transparency is probably more effective than bans.

Also, when an international corporation is involved in reviewing US voter information and crunching the numbers, we find that our campaign finance laws and other laws prohibiting foreign interference are inadequate.

Also, depending on what happened, there may be more than a breach of contract action involving CA and Facebook. But I am just theorizing. I don't know. That aspect will surely be examined.

We need to look at all our campaign finance regulations and campaign conduct laws. We need to rewrite them.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,996 posts)
39. Personal data breach, trafficking in stolen goods, bribery, extortion, libel, slander, AND ...
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 06:03 PM
Mar 2018

... Conspiracy against the United States of America, money laundering, RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations), obstruction of justice, lobbying violations, registration violation, disclosure violations, international sex trafficking violations, possible treason / espionage, lying to the FBI, ....

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
62. Senator Wyden keeps saying follow the trail of dead Russians. There may be murder as well;
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 08:51 PM
Mar 2018

we already know Stormy was threatened. These guys stop at nothing.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
22. Good God, there's another one?
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:36 PM
Mar 2018

I thought this one was damning as Hell itself. But if they're bragging 'how they won the election for the Trumpster,' we can expect a rollicking good time with details confirmed and a coming from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

No wonder they've tried so hard to have the videos blocked.

Is this the beginning of a trend? Hope so.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
49. I hope so
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 06:28 PM
Mar 2018

Think we all need a break from the daily assault of craziness. Just lock these suckers up!!

MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
35. The New York Times came out with a story on it quickly.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:53 PM
Mar 2018

I have a lot of hope.

Spread it everywhere and inform the public.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
66. Fifty million Facebook users might find some importance in being setup by it
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 10:51 PM
Mar 2018

Then again who knows how it plays out

torius

(1,652 posts)
24. Dubya won too (or lost by a very small amt. of votes and was shooed in)
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:43 PM
Mar 2018

the same way, the Electoral College, by the same idiot voters.

mgardener

(1,816 posts)
27. Why aren't the other republican presidential candidates who ran in the primaries
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:46 PM
Mar 2018

Screaming about this?
Oh wait, lying Ted Cruz hired CA too!
Wonder if any of the other candidates hired them too ?

B Stieg

(2,410 posts)
33. And don't forget that CA is owned by Robert and Rebecca Mercer...
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 05:53 PM
Mar 2018

the same creepy father-daughter pair that bankrolled Steve Bannon!

so this one wraps around Trump...AGAIN!

CelticWinter

(1,399 posts)
68. Thanks MelissaB
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 05:13 AM
Mar 2018

I watched the first and will make sure to watch this one. I'm gonna have to go to the store and buy more popcorn for the week seems like a lot to watch with these and Stormy on sunday, who knows what will pop up next.
Thanks again
Celtic

neohippie

(1,142 posts)
69. There's more to be looked at with CA and the Mercer's
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 06:11 AM
Mar 2018

There's a lot of moving parts but this thread should be included

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210379333

as well as this



There's a lot of information about CA in this thread I posted in February 2017



https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028716802


And more from this threads from this past weekend


https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142016046

and of course these ties from Silicon Valley to Russian Mafia



There's a lot of interesting Russian ties to Silcon Valley, Facebook, Digital Skies, Zynga -facebook games, Air BNB, Spotify, Slack, and so much more

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/world/yuri-milner-facebook-twitter-russia.html?mtrref=www.google.com&gwh=DA0D674CBF7C2F13611890CAB2434CCE&gwt=pay


https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/3286-facebook-are-you-interfacing-with-the-russian-mafia--kgb


Andrey Ternovskiy, one of Russia's wunderkind Internet entrepreneurs, is being courted by venture capitalists the world over. To get access to cash he needn't leave Moscow, but he doesn't want to do business with the billionaire oligarchs tied to the Russian Mafia and Putin's KGB-FSB machine in the Kremlin.

So, earlier this year the 18-year-old founder of Chatroullet, a webcam-based conversation website, came to the United States to meet with investors. Ternovskiy didn't tell anyone his itinerary. Nevertheless, when he arrived in New York, there was a chauffer-driven limo waiting for him, courtesy of Yuri Milner and Digital Sky Technologies (DST), Russia's hottest investment company.

Ternovskiy reportedly has rebuffed DST's efforts, describing them as "harassing and hounding."

Ryan Tate at gawker.com appropriately describes the DST limo episode as "creepy." However, the experience goes beyond "creepy," illustrating the nexus between Russia's "business" community and it's intelligence structures. How did DST know Ternovskiy's flight schedule? There are a number of ways that DST could have gotten that information, nearly all of which would be illegal in any country where the "rule of law" is more than merely an empty slogan. But considering DST's high-level ties to Vladimir Putin's KGB-FSB police-state apparatus, obtaining Ternovskiy's airline itinerary must have been child's play.

The Russian teenager is demonstrating better business sense and greater ethical judgment than American corporations, such as social network behemoth Facebook and Wall Street titan Goldman Sachs. Over the past year, DST has made several large investments in Facebook, and now holds a ten percent share in the company, which boasts more than 500 million users worldwide — and continues to grow at a phenomenal rate.

DST, which has also invested heavily in Zynga, the online social network game developer (FarmVille, FrontierVille, Mafia Wars [above], etc.), and Groupon, a deal-of-the-day website, has a billion dollars to invest in Internet companies and, reportedly, is also looking at buying into Twitter.


https://www.wired.com/2011/10/mf_milner/


Ties to Kushner


https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/russia-funded-facebook-twitter-investments-kushner-investor





he investments were made through a Russian technology magnate, Yuri Milner, who also holds a stake in a company co-owned by Kushner, Donald Trump’s son-in-law and senior White House adviser.

The discovery is likely to stir concerns over Russian influence in US politics and the role played by social media in last year’s presidential election. It may also raise new questions for the social media companies and for Kushner.


Alexander Vershbow, who was a US ambassador to Russia under George W Bush and to Nato under Bill Clinton, said the Russian state institutions were frequently used as “tools for Putin’s pet political projects”.

Vershbow said the findings were concerning in light of efforts by Moscow to disrupt US democracy and public debate. “There clearly was a wider plan, despite Putin’s protestations to the contrary,” he said.


The investments are detailed in the Paradise Papers, a trove of millions of leaked documents reviewed by the Guardian, the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ) and other partners, along with other previously unreported filings.

Facebook and Twitter were not made aware that funding for the investments came from the state-controlled VTB Bank and a financial arm of the state oil and gas firm Gazprom, according to Milner.

The files show that in 2011, VTB funded a $191m investment in Twitter. About the same time, Gazprom Investholding financed an opaque offshore company, which in turn funded a vehicle that held $1bn-worth of Facebook shares.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Milner



https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-poligarchs-oligarchs-and-stooges-of-the-paradise-papers


The Paradise Papers have uncovered some of the stooges and their connections to oligarchs. One example is Yuri Milner, a Wharton-educated Russian businessman who once worked for the oil tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky, an oligarch who rejected the mafia-state bargain and lost his fortune, spent ten years in prison, and now lives in exile. Milner started making money through Russian tech investments in the aughts, and by 2009 he was investing in American high-tech companies. He has since become a Silicon Valley fixture and a bit of a science-and-technology celebrity (he founded the Breakthrough Prizes, which offer the biggest cash payout of any science prize in the world). The Paradise Papers expose Milner as a stooge of Alisher Usmanov, an oligarch who has enjoyed most-favored status under Putin. Some of the money for Milner’s investments in Facebook came from Gazprom Investholding, which is the finance arm of the Russian state gas monopoly, Gazprom; at the time, Usmanov ran Gazprom Investholding.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
70. This is incredibly important - however I don't think it will bring down Commander Bone Spurs
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 06:29 AM
Mar 2018

His campaign staff likely knew about how he just blurts shit out, so they didn't loop him in - to give him plausible deniability.

And I have no idea if the law has caught up to the technology, so what would the charges be? They can say that they were just really good at "redirecting consumer behavior," like they advertised on their website. His base will just see all this information as irrelevant.

My money's on him going down on money laundering.

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
76. I agree this series doesnt
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 04:00 PM
Mar 2018

implicate Trump directly (as they say, the politician is the puppet) but it does say theyre directed by their campaign on what to do. Campaign staff could be implicated in this, but the bigger picture which may be separate, maybe not, is them all meeting with the russians...over and over. And hiding that fact. And we sure as hell know Trump had knowledge. Like even jr. wouldnt withold that info from his father in private conversations.

And yeah, theres also money laundering and all that criminal stuff on the side.

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