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Abu Pepe

(637 posts)
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 10:43 PM Mar 2018

Those Who Can Make You Believe Absurdities, Can Make You Commit Atrocities

Wonder how many Americans know who Voltaire was? I am guessing at least a third think its a Kardashian. We have fucked up and not maintained our own legends, who where great enlightenment thinkers. It leaves us culturally susceptible to isms. I dont know when we lost our gods but we did. And they were good ones.

Then sometimes I think America was always two countries. The Puritans and the Pilgrims are now the Republicans and Demos. One an Enlightened European nation and anothet a bunch of religious nuts really.

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Abu Pepe

(637 posts)
2. Sytemically its European Liberalism (for now)
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:00 PM
Mar 2018

Some of its greatest practicioners have been its oppressed.The ability to participate seemed to be a slow rolling bumpy ongoing expansion. Too slow and the genocide of the Indigenous peoples is horrific. But none of that set us apart. Pretending to be better and faking it till we made seemed to be bending the moral arc of the universe towards justice.

Maybe we were. Maybe we can get our mojo back. But im not hopeful.

And think we are more of those two English countryfolk than is good, regardless of where your ancestors came from. Mine were not English and there are puritans and pilgrims all in one family. Gets weird around holidays. The puritans represent conservatism (social or political ) and the pilgrims really the country"s first liberals. One wanted religious freedom for all and the other for themselves. Its an extreme oversimplification.

Abu Pepe

(637 posts)
4. Unfortunately we are becoming less
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:08 PM
Mar 2018

Taking on other less enlightened European ideas that came after the US had been around awhile. See 20th Century back again as farce.

Abu Pepe

(637 posts)
7. because thats totally what I said and you should be angry
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:37 PM
Mar 2018

because that exactly what I said. And my education amounts to a mere BA, though in History, from a state university that you wouldn't be impressed by so I wont bother with the name. Maintained about a 3.2 whle taking large amounts of LSD on a regular basis. Thats kind of cool still, I think. What else is there? Oh yeah I was there like five years working on that BA. So, it's really a Masters Degree if only time enrolled counted.

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
9. I ask because your prose is poor, ur points unclear &/or inaccurate & you talk down to ur readers.
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:42 PM
Mar 2018

I don't have an opinion about the "large amounts of LSD on a regular basis" comment except I'm not sure why you feel the need to mention it.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
8. Oddly enough there is a netflix show about that
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:40 PM
Mar 2018

it is called "the push"

it creates a scripted event around an unwitting person with the end result to see if they can manipulate someone to push another person off the side of a building.

The results were not pretty.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
12. If I may speak candidely, Voltaire was one of Ben Franklin's sobriquets
Mon Mar 19, 2018, 11:55 PM
Mar 2018

He earned it during his lightning phase. You see, he was trying to draw volts from the air. Simple as that, one of his observers coined the name. When Franklin heard the new nickname, he exclaimed, "That is the best of all possible nicknames".


Come to think of it, I was never required to read Voltaire. I found him on my own. For an English major, that is a rather disturbing revelation.

And here I will include an homage to your own nom de plume:

Abu Pepe

(637 posts)
13. The second I created the account I remembered the racist frog.
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 12:11 AM
Mar 2018

People have honestly mistaken me for a. a freeper or b. way more clever than I am. Its actually an inside family joke going back years and and does involve Arabs and Mexicans all of us cousins. Way more to do with a cool summer back in the day than anything. Lots of guys named Jose (Pepe). That has to have created problems with usernames and such.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
15. For some strange reason, I read that as "Pere Ubu"
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 09:53 PM
Mar 2018

Paired with your mention of Voltaire, I hope that it is an understandable mistake.

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