OK, I know this sounds over the top, but I often wonder how many Americans want Russia to rule

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America. It often seems many in the GOP don't care as long as they were ensured a piece of the action and it was profitable for them ... money and power. Just WTF is going on in congress. Many seemingly just don't give a damn.

[First Speaker]

1. The American Vichyites...

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5. Sure sounds like it, "Vichyite."

"a member or supporter of the authoritarian regime of Marshal Henri Pétain governing unoccupied France during the earlier part of World War II under an agreement calling for economic collaboration with the Nazis"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Vichyite

[SoCalMusicLover]

2. We Should Start Singing The Russian Anthem

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8. I'm surprised tRump isn't already singing it at events. n/t

[bearsfootball516]

3. Quite a few

I popped over to a far-right website a couple days ago after Putin won his "election" and most of the top comments were people saying how good it is for Russia to have a strong leader like him.

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7. Yep, not surprised at all. n/t

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. Every time there is a protest, the militia and alt-right clowns line up with the cops & are

protected by the cops. They are all on the same side and it's the side that would support Russian or any other authoritarian rule.

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6. They would have been Hitler's storm troopers! n/t

[quartz007]

9. Russia is incapable. China will rule us though.

Russian economy is puny compared to China.
What is the last time you bought something made in Russia?
Then examine all your purchases and check how many were made in China.

We owe China Trillions.
We owe Russia nothing.

China owns mines, land, factories all over the world.
Russia owns nothing except may be a vodka factory in Crimea.

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10. Don't China and Japan own most of the debt for the US? If China decides to screw the US, we are

in deep trouble IMO?

[TreasonousBastard]

13. It would take a lot for that to happen. We are also...

their biggest market, and we owe them all that money because we buy so much from them.

Right now, Japanese cars are made here and Sony's worldwide headquarters is actually in New Jersey. China is no doubt thinking of following Japan's lead and neither one wants to screw things up.

(Trade is a complex thing-- and it is unfortunate that we have a "businessman" in the White House who has no clue about it.)

[Exotica]

14. The EU is China's biggest market for exports, and they import almost

double from the EU what they import from the US.

[TreasonousBastard]

15. US is still their biggest export market...

but not by much:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/270326/main-export-partners-for-china/

Curiously, the top exporters TO China are:

https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/chn/

The top import origins of China are Hong Kong ($285B), South Korea ($124B), the United States ($115B), Japan ($113B) and Germany ($85.4B).

[Exotica]

16. that link doesn't include the EU as a whole

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_China

[TreasonousBastard]

20. That's 2011/2013, mine's 2016. Besides, numbers vary depending on who's adding them up...

It's really not that important to argue about anyway.

[Exotica]

21. agreed

It's really not that important to argue about anyway.

[quartz007]

22. Correct, we are vulnerable to China

liquidating all US bonds which will drive down US dollar,
which in turn will make imports more expensive.

Japan is a good ally, unlikely to do same thing.
However keep in mind, since we have perpetual deficits,
those bonds will require paying interest in perpetuity.

[JI7]

11. Those who think only white men should hold power

Demographics are going against them so they want anything to stop black presidents, women speakers, presidents etc.

[ElementaryPenguin]

12. Doesn't sound over the top...seems like around 30% are fine with it.

[gratuitous]

17. There is a certain irreducible percentage of humanity in thrall to authoritarianism

As long as the Big Boss makes them feel safe and on top. Curiously, they are also the ones who are maddest (at least initially) when Big Boss inevitably betrays them and they take it in the shorts. They don't learn anything, though, and come back for more of the same when another Big Boss sets himself up as the only one who can save them.

[jalan48]

18. I don't think it's just Russia-it's rule by oligarchs which would include a number of Americans.

[ProudLib72]

19. Here is one!

She seems very proud of her allegiance.

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25. FFS!!! n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. Around 25% to 30%.

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26. Yeah, sadly that's what I think too. n/t

[Hortensis]

24. Haven't we learned that the pro-Russia types didn't arrive at

that bizarre position on their own? Long before cyber and Russia, invidious American archconservatives were working to move America's culture way to the right, serving fear and toxic partisanship up in a vast poisonous stew of lies to increasingly deluded conservatives.

And they've been doing the same to vulnerable minds on the left also. Many former capital-P Progressives and others have been seduced right over the edge into extremism on other forums where they are fed and wallow in toxic messages that aren't allowed here.

Now that the truth is out in the open, there's going to be less tolerance for those delusions, not immediately among those too far gone to give them up, but among friends, family, coworkers, employers, and also among media, which will be losing more advertisers. New laws will help.

This attempt to make America crazy enough to commit suicide has mostly hit bottom. From here on, our enemies are going to be increasingly on the ropes.

Itm, be kind to their victims.

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27. Hope so, yep, all good points!!! n/t

[Hortensis]

30. Agree, btw, on the estimated percentage for those

who'd need professional help reconnecting with reality and at least a modest measure of political decency.

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31. Years ago at the university my professor stated based on research that about 20% maybe

25% of Americans were really in need of professional help. I thought at the time that seemed high, but based on the estimates today, the GOP and Trumpets, I think he was spot on, maybe even higher.

[Hortensis]

32. Very believable, only talking about mental disorder

traits strong enough to damage lives then. There's probably a significant overlap between those tending to imbalance before politics and the people who become unbalanced politically, unable to maintain some kind of perspective and ability/willingness to recognize conflicting truths.

We know that people drawn to rejection of mainstream thoughts through social media often get caught up and adopt increasingly extreme ideologies. And that goes for groups that devolve into increasing extremism. Left or right doesn't matter, they're a lot more like each other than others.

I believe a lot of us saw that happen back in 2015-2016. After JPR developed as a satellite of DU, drawing people frustrated by DU's rules against expressions of anti-Democratic hostility, some DUers who'd seemed sensible and connected joined and became increasingly rejecting and hostile in the JPR culture. The effect wasn't the same on all, though the level of hostility and acceptance of lies necessary to support it have remained high. But for others, visiting there is like a view way down the rabbit hole. Like touring the CDC, a safe distance that doesn't make you feel safe.

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33. Very well said, completely agree!!! n/t

[Turbineguy]

28. Probably very few.

The GOP just want power and profit. They don't care how they get it.

[LonePirate]

29. They want us to be ruled like Russia is ruled today but they want an American to do it.

Of course, they might be open to a non-American ruling the country if they were white and hated anybody who was not rich, white, Christian and straight.