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ismnotwasm

(41,965 posts)
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 06:51 PM Mar 2018

#NotRacists Be Like: The Top 10 Phrases Used by People Who Claim They Are Not Racist

This is not about racists. This is about not-racists. You’ve seen them before: the special class of white people who say racist shit and do racist things but declare themselves the “least racist person you know.”

Their racism isn’t always intentional. Sometimes it is a byproduct of privilege, sometimes it is a deflection, and sometimes it is caused by the vapid, shallow inability to care about or understand anything that they don’t agree with because they are the majority.

The population of not-racists is steadily growing. Not-racists voted for Donald Trump. Not-racists say that kneeling for the flag means you want to slit the throats of veterans. Not-racists believe in Blue Lives, White Jesus and black-on-black crime. So we decided to do a countdown of the 10 most popular phrases so that you can easily identify not-racists, or play a game of not-racist bingo in your spare time:

10. “Why must everything have to be about race?”

One of the most used ideas in the not-racist handbook is that talking about race creates divisiveness. The theory rests on the premise that the more people point out racism, the more ... umm ... I really don’t know how the second part works.


More:https://www.theroot.com/notracists-be-like-the-top-10-phrases-used-by-peop-1819142064?utm_source=theroot_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
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#NotRacists Be Like: The Top 10 Phrases Used by People Who Claim They Are Not Racist (Original Post) ismnotwasm Mar 2018 OP
DURec leftstreet Mar 2018 #1
Where's the lie. K&R. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2018 #2
Michael Harriot sheshe2 Mar 2018 #3
K&R BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #4
I like it a lot ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #5
#1 on the list is hilarious! BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #10
I like these Proud liberal 80 Mar 2018 #6
That's a perfect list too!! BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #11
Harriot is a supremely gifted communicator. brer cat Mar 2018 #7
Awesome and perfect! K&R EffieBlack Mar 2018 #8
Serious question - Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #9
That used to be a rallying cry at one time BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #13
In general, yes - Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #15
The term is "Not-Racist" BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #16
I get that - Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #19
It could be they didn't think to use one of the items compiled in post #6 BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #20
Thanks. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #23
I have been told to go back to Africa by people like that MrScorpio Mar 2018 #32
Did he have an explanation for how telling you to go back to where your ancestors came from Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #42
No, he didn't MrScorpio Mar 2018 #43
There are long-time liberal DUers with high post counts who believe Americans are white IronLionZion Mar 2018 #37
I'm sorry to hear that. n/t Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #41
"I don't care if they're black, white, purple or green" EffieBlack Mar 2018 #12
Ha! BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #14
Reminded me of Mitch Hedberg, RIP. greyl Mar 2018 #17
Another one is Proud liberal 80 Mar 2018 #18
I heard that one from people who surprised me ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #21
That one's very popular among racists and not-racist-racists. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2018 #22
Heard that one a couple of times. When I ask them to give me the list of Obama Elwood P Dowd Mar 2018 #39
K&R! nt Mountain Mule Mar 2018 #24
I feel like.......... MyOwnPeace Mar 2018 #25
I have dealt with people like that plenty of times MrScorpio Mar 2018 #26
I find weird versions of them ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #33
That Was A Fun Read! ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #27
I've heard most of those more than once. Ferrets are Cool Mar 2018 #28
Yeah me too 47of74 Mar 2018 #30
And then there are the really scary ones who don't even try to hide it. nt Ferrets are Cool Mar 2018 #31
pointing out racist sterotypes is not racism in itself Skittles Mar 2018 #29
KnR Hekate Mar 2018 #34
It's a very good article Lithos Mar 2018 #35
I LOVE IT! If "wypipo" is the plural, can I be a "wypip"? n/t TygrBright Mar 2018 #36
"Nobody is less racist than me" ThoughtCriminal Mar 2018 #38
I take exception to #9; I did date a black lady Xipe Totec Mar 2018 #40
I'll try explaining why, please anyone correct me if I'm wrong... moriah Mar 2018 #44
Here's the problem I see with this logic Xipe Totec Mar 2018 #45
Hmmm. moriah Mar 2018 #46
It's great to date someone IronLionZion Mar 2018 #47

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
6. I like these
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 07:13 PM
Mar 2018

Found in the comments:

“What about black on black crime?”

“Slavery’s been gone 150 years...”

“Affirmative action is racist”

“So black people can say it, but I can’t?”

#alllivesmatter

“I support their cause, I just wish they’d find a better way”

“Relax, it was a joke”

“MLK said we should care about what’s inside...”

“Call the police if you need help”

“Everyone has the same opportunity in America”

“Why can’t you people get over it?”

“I never owned slaves.”
 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
8. Awesome and perfect! K&R
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 07:20 PM
Mar 2018

I am laughing out loud - TOO funny because it's ALL true!

"Who are these black men and women dating these clueless white people and leaving them as unwoke as they found them?"

Ms. Toad

(33,996 posts)
9. Serious question -
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 07:26 PM
Mar 2018
4. “Go back to Africa!”
Not-racists believe that America belongs to them and that whiteness endows them with the power to excommunicate the offenders of their country at will. This, too, is white privilege.


Everything else I've heard come out of the mouths of people who claim not to be racist. i.e "not-racists."

Do people who actually believe they are not racist really say, "Go back to Africa?" (I know people use that phrase - I'm just surprised to find something so blatantly racist included in a list of things not-racists say.)

BumRushDaShow

(128,486 posts)
13. That used to be a rallying cry at one time
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 07:33 PM
Mar 2018

but it seems I haven't heard it much anymore because someone finally got through to them that the majority of AAs here today had ancestors who were here before Ellis Island even existed, let alone well before the ancestors of most of the Euro-descended Americans yelling that crap got off the boat.

BumRushDaShow

(128,486 posts)
16. The term is "Not-Racist"
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 07:38 PM
Mar 2018

not "not racist". I.e., those who claim to not be racist but really don't get that they are.

Ms. Toad

(33,996 posts)
19. I get that -
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 07:45 PM
Mar 2018

Not sure the hyphen matters, but whatever.

Every other one of the 10 phrases I've heard uttered by not-racists.

I can wrap my mind around how they could say the other 9 phrase and still argue they are not racists. I just can't picture those same people saying "go back to Africa." (Which is a very common phrased used by full-blown racists.)

I get the concept - I'm just at the "one of these things is not like the others" stage, and I'm seriously asking whether/how someone who is not-racist could maintain that status while uttering a blatant, objectively, racist comment like, "Go back to Africa."

BumRushDaShow

(128,486 posts)
20. It could be they didn't think to use one of the items compiled in post #6
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 07:50 PM
Mar 2018

from commenters.

"Go back to Africa" was still probably the most common thing uttered in old-school terms as code talk that was less offensive then "N-word leave my country". The other things are more modern code talk.

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
32. I have been told to go back to Africa by people like that
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 08:28 PM
Mar 2018

It was funny, one particular fool didn’t say “Africa,” per se, he told me to go back where my ancestors came from.

He left a door open, so I walked through. I told him that my ancestors were English, Irish, African and also Native American. Which meant my roots in this country go further back than his own. After a lengthy discussion where I documented my Native American heritage, another poster pointed out to him that I handed his ass to him.

Of course, my detractor never got it that he’s a racist piece of shit. They never do.

Did I mention that this asshole was also a fan of George Zimmerman?

Ms. Toad

(33,996 posts)
42. Did he have an explanation for how telling you to go back to where your ancestors came from
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 11:04 PM
Mar 2018

could be anything but racist?

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
37. There are long-time liberal DUers with high post counts who believe Americans are white
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 09:24 PM
Mar 2018

while firmly believing they are not racist. They have told me I'm stealing jobs and my loyalties are to another country even though I was born in America. #PerpetualForeigners

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
12. "I don't care if they're black, white, purple or green"
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 07:28 PM
Mar 2018

As soon as you get past black and white and start running through the color wheel, I can tell what time it is ...

BumRushDaShow

(128,486 posts)
14. Ha!
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 07:35 PM
Mar 2018

That just reminded me of something my mom used to say - "Don't define me. I'm not a green or purple or polka-dot person".

greyl

(22,990 posts)
17. Reminded me of Mitch Hedberg, RIP.
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 07:39 PM
Mar 2018

"Oh hold on now. Purple or green? Ya gotta draw the line somewhere."

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
39. Heard that one a couple of times. When I ask them to give me the list of Obama
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 09:33 PM
Mar 2018

actions that made race relations worse, the response is usually a blank stare and changing the subject. All they know is the original talking point that probably came from Hannity or Limbaugh.

MyOwnPeace

(16,917 posts)
25. I feel like..........
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 08:15 PM
Mar 2018

a babe in the wilderness! NEVER heard of Michael Harriot.

Quite the eye opener - great read.

Thank you SO much for the post!

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
26. I have dealt with people like that plenty of times
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 08:15 PM
Mar 2018

Sometimes I wondered if they knew what they were actually saying. So I told them and most would still double down.

The question that usually stopped them in their tracks would be when I’d asked them why should I accept and validate all the negative shit they’d say about black people when they have been black a single day in their lives.

ismnotwasm

(41,965 posts)
33. I find weird versions of them
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 08:33 PM
Mar 2018

We were talking about yoga, just in passing for a brief moment for instance. I was telling a co-worker that I had read an article about Hindu and westernized yoga as cultural appropriation. She said “Italians think espresso is cultural appropriation” I replied mildly that “I think it was from a spiritual point of view” she said “Italians are spiritual about their coffee” At this point, I realized what she was objecting to, was the term “cultural appropriation”—which is a fairly typical knee jerk response from white people actually.

She had not said one single thing that was overtly racist, But I know my fellow white people quite well. It was there.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
30. Yeah me too
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 08:26 PM
Mar 2018

Hell of it is that if a person truly wasn't racist they wouldn't have reason to trot out any of these excuses.

Xipe Totec

(43,888 posts)
40. I take exception to #9; I did date a black lady
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 09:43 PM
Mar 2018

In the 70's when I was in college.

You have to understand that I was at a campus that was 90% Mexican-American, 10% Anglo, and the only black students were on some kind of academic or sports scholarship.

So, to actually date an African-American on this campus was a mark or privilege.

She was lovely, a couple of years older than me, and she actually kissed me on one of our dates when I took her back to the dorms.

I've often wondered what ever became of her.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
44. I'll try explaining why, please anyone correct me if I'm wrong...
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 11:09 PM
Mar 2018

... but there's two issues with mentioning your dating past as some measure of proof you're not racist.

First, there were a hell of a lot of racists screwing black women during slavery. It's the primary reason there were so many mixed people before abolition. Obviously one can have intercourse with or date a person and not actually respect them -- happens all the time, actually. Not saying that's how it was with you and the lady in your past, of course.... but while obviously black people didn't smell quite as bad to Thomas Jefferson as he publicly said they did, black vagina didn't cure him of racism. Actually, his use of those women for that purpose highlights his racism.

Second.. there *is* that history there -- that white people weaponized interracial relationships from our position of power, with black women being raped for profit since kids of slaves were slaves and black men getting lynched on a white woman's word that she felt at all threatened. It's not like it was ever dangerous for *us* to date outside our race, yet "not-racists" often talk of having a past interracial relationship like it was an experience worthy of being labeled a Profile in Courage. So a white person essentially bragging about a sexual conquest of a black person doesn't exactly show we've outgrown that privileged view of interracial relationships.

Xipe Totec

(43,888 posts)
45. Here's the problem I see with this logic
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 07:07 AM
Mar 2018

If you've dated a black person and you mention it then you're racist.
If you've dated a black person and you hide it, then you're embarrassed, so you're racists.
If you've thought of dating a black person but didn't do it, you're a racist.
If you would never consider dating a black person then you're a racist.

Seems like a no win.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
46. Hmmm.
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 01:36 PM
Mar 2018

1) If you mention it if asked if you've dated interracially, no. If you mention it when confronted about something else you said/did that made you seem racist, or use it to establish your "credentials" as a person who isn't racist... crossing the race line isn't a "get out of racism free" card.

2) If you hide it when asked about interracial relationships, yeah. If you elect not to use it as a defense to seeming racist in another way and instead listen to why someone is offended, discretion is the better part of valor.

3) If the reason why was because they were black, yeah.

4) Probably. Of course, if the reason is that you're asexual and would never consider dating anyone, or truly think you'd never date again if your current spouse dies, no.

----

This actually seems rather logical to me, but maybe I'm dense. I've wondered if the fact I've never dated outside of my race wasa sign of racism in myself, and tried to seriously examine it, but I think it's more likely that no black guys have ever shown interest in me that is the explanation. When I look at how my relationships have started, the guy (or girl) always approached me first.

I *am* a self-hating ginger on those lines, though -- I've said many times I'd really not want to breed with another redhead. I want to give kids at least a 50/50 chance of not needing sunscreen on a road trip to deal with the sun coming through the windows. And I have never been attracted to a redheaded guy. Ever.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
47. It's great to date someone
Wed Mar 21, 2018, 06:49 PM
Mar 2018

but not to use it as evidence to prove something about you. That's the difference.

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