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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSanders was NOT invited to the protest on the 14th. Students "surprised and upset at his actions"
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bearsfootball516
(6,376 posts)That moment was about the kids and the amazing things they could accomplish. Then he showed up, and it was suddenly all about him.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)to the microphone
George II
(67,782 posts)....of young Americans demonstrating against guns with two men with guns!
And from what I saw, although there were dozens of Democrats nearby on the steps of the Capitol, only one politician interrupted the student demonstration.
progressoid
(49,964 posts)And the bullhorn was given to him by one of the rally organizers.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)this is so pathetic.. even for this url
progressoid
(49,964 posts)Magoo48
(4,701 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...when he first showed up and the created stir caused Elizabeth Esty to stop speaking, the children around HIM were chanting "Let her speak, let her speak"! They were NOT happy, and they were children, not adults on twitter.
It starts at around 30:00 on the C-Span video.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)can't think that it was perfectly fine to interrupt Elizabeth Esty the way Sanders did. He completely dismissed and disrespected her. How can anyone be so arrogant?
And all his apologists giving all kind of excuses, there is one undeniable fact. He was NOT invited.
marble falls
(57,063 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Just ask Clinton.
Squinch
(50,935 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Squinch
(50,935 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I thought one of the 2020 hopefuls showed up for a photo op.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)He left as soon as he got his clip.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)OnDoutside
(19,949 posts)herding cats
(19,558 posts)Texin
(2,594 posts)He'll use that appearance in his future ads to make it look like he was/is sympathetic with these kids' stance on this issue and on gun legislation generally, when he has made it consistently clear by his votes and his refusal to back away from the NRA that he's not.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Oh wait.
trueblue2007
(17,203 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Clinton doesn't consider any of the years of her constant fight for human rights a "thankless job."
She doesn't have to stage her own photo op.
She isnt in it for the thanks. Thats for sure.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)But she wouldn't have even considered it.
KTM
(1,823 posts)It was handed too him, as it was to those before and after he spoke.
Amazing how many (and which) posters keep repeating this untruth that started here in this thread, when there is a damned hour-and-forty-minute CSPAN video ALSO linked in this thread that demonstrates the falsity of the idea.
Why would so many of you keep doing that ?? Do you simply repeat anything negative you hear about Sanders without verification, or do you knowingly perpetuate the error ?
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)He was never invited to speak so he just shoved his way in.
that is what happened. You can rewrite it to erase the blatant disrepectful behavior of BS over & over, but the truth will always remain the same.
HE WAS NEVER INVITED TO SPEAK.
He bailed before anyone had a chance to ask him questions.
Got the campaign photo op & bailed.
That's not the 1st time he's pulled a stunt like this.
You can't wipe clean a record like his.
People aren't stupid.
We all see his antics for what they are.
Give it up.
He's not all that to everyone.
Neither of these people are lying:
"we are aware of his stance on the issue and were surprised and upset at his actions"
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Bye bernie
KTM
(1,823 posts)Sanders didnt shove anyone aside.
Sanders did not intentionally interrupt Esty.
The speech you refer to was as he was leaving the event. He had already spoken before as well.
Sanders did not bring his own megaphone.
You can try to spin other peoples (and non-people's) twitter reactions as "the truth" all you want, and it even seems to be working (here), but anyone who actually finds value in truth can see it in the damned video for themselves.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)The reality is in the quote from the organizer.
This is the truth. He invited himself on stage to speak & grab a cool photo op in hopes of covering up his pathetic gun recprd.
Glad the young people are "aware of his stance on the issue".
They apparantly have more sense than others.
He Was Never Invited
..we are aware of his stance on the issue and were surprised and upset at his actions.
KTM
(1,823 posts)Its actual videos, taken from multiple angles, which reflect the entirety of the event.
He did not crash the stage, he did not steal the mic from another speaker, he did not bring his own megaphone.
Thats whats in the video. Watch it.
I dont disagree that Miss Levitan does not like his stance on gun policy, and was upset by what happened. It is completely disingenous to spin that into "Bernie stormed the stage, shoved aside others, and brought his own megaphone," none of which happened nor is argued by Miss Levitan in her tweet.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"Bernie stormed the stage, shoved aside others,"
and tell us who gave him a megaphone?
That would help.
KTM
(1,823 posts)If youre looking for something other than honest answers, I dont think I can help you.
A link ? I could just link to this whole thread, wherein it is suggested multiple times that he brought his own megaphone, that he pushed aside Congreswoman Esty, that he shoved aside an organizer to get on stage. All of those things have been said in this thread - no link needed, they are on this page that you are supposedly reading!! You could just read any of the posts to which I replied; they hold the incorrect statements that I refuted, or I wouldnt have replied.
I think we are done here... but hey, feel free to post some links yourself, to anywhere that credibly indicates any of those things DID happen.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I don't recall asking you for this before.
Is asking for a link to a specific post offensive to you?
KTM
(1,823 posts)But you knew that. Your questions have all been answered, but maybe you're looking for something else.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)But you knew that.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)state for not having my views on guns. What I do resent is Bernie's tendency to downplay anything unfavorable to his image and grossly overplay anything that is favorable. His "confederate states" dismissal of southern black voters in the primary of 2016 still has me pissed. Black voters are the very core of the Democratic Party.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)He does indeed diminish & avoid answering for anything he's done that shines an opposing light on who he really is.
That falls somewhere under "dishonest" doesn't it?
Then people wonder why so many despise his antics.
Truthfulness is an honorable quality.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)lunamagica
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pretending to be for gun control
Only a 1/2 step worse than 41 other members of the Democratic Caucus,
but
3 1/2 steps BETTER than Manchin, Heitkamp and Donnelly; 3 steps BETTER than Tester and Casey; 2 1/2 steps BETTER than Heinrich; 1 1/2 step BETTER than Warner; and 1/2 step better than Udall.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/02/15/52-senators-have-an-a-minus-nra-rating-or-higher-including-four-democrats/
"Own up" to being a only half a step worse than the BEST members of our caucus?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Voted to give the gun industry immunity while voting to allow people to due McDonalds for causing obesity.
Voted for the Charleston loophole that resulted in the death of nine victims.
Voted to allow firearms on Amtrack trains.
Voted to allow guns in national parks and wildlife refuges.
Voted to reject funding to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for research on issues about firearms.
Do you think he owned up and was honest with the students regarding these votes?
How do you think the Parkland survivors feel about his record?
Why didn't they invite him?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... the Parkland survivors were COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED in their intention, their desire and their decision to intentionally exclude him. I don't blame them one iota--not a single whit!
George II
(67,782 posts)Elizabeth Esty was speaking, then looked into the crowd surprised and perplexed, and stopped speaking. Then the camera swithched over to where he was wading through the crowd on the ground, and those around him were not happy - they were chanting "LET HER SPEAK, LET HER SPEAK"!! (at 30:30) You didn't hear that?
And since he was a few hundred feet from where the speakers were on the steps of the Capitol, where did he get the megaphone from?
Yes, "anyone who actually finds value in truth can see it in the damned video for themselves", and I just presented it to you FROM THE VIDEO!
Elizabeth Esty wasn't on twitter, and the annoyed children chanting "LET HER SPEAK" weren't on twitter, they were all there watching the whole spectacle.
Can you please specify which post is an "untruth?"
Because I'm not seeing any.
You need to provide some actual evidence for your attacks.
"Put up or shut up" is a frequent request on DU, and you should honor that.
KTM
(1,823 posts)Again, my post which you question was in response to someone other than yourself. It was a reply to post #41, which implied that Senator Sanders shoved his way to the stage with his own megaphone in hand. I dont think that the implication in that post requires much of a stretch to get, do you ?
But it is smply not true. He didnt shove his way anywhere, he did not seize the podium/stage from Congresswoman Esty, and he did not bring his own megaphone.
For evidence, feel free to watch the CSPAN video, around 28 minutes in.
melman
(7,681 posts)They just don't care. Amazing as it is, they just don't care.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)Really how could you? It's too obvious to deny.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And you accuse others of "playing a game."
The tweet made it clear that he was not invited as a speaker, and why that decision was made. That certainly hasn't been misrepresented here.
Is that clearer?
NastyRiffraff
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They're the ones who are saying Sanders was uninvited, and unwelcome. I don't know why he considered it his right, and a good idea, to shove himself onstage uninvited, but the fact is, he did. I know some think anything the sainted Bernie does is Just Wonderful and Completely Right and Proper, but PER THE ORGANIZERS he was uninvited, unlike the other politicians on stage.
pandr32
(11,574 posts)...and she cares about people, not just here but in places that don't give her and her family glory. Clinton Foundation is hard at work in regions beyond the press opportunities.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Everytown for Gun Safety
Like many Americans, I felt immeasurable grief after the mass shooting in Parkland, Florida last month. Gun violence touches every corner of this country, and making our communities safer should be our number one priority. And on March 24th, at more than 800 March for Our Lives events, young people will lead us in standing up for exactly that.
March for Our Lives is bringing hundreds of thousands of Americans together to demand that our elected officials prioritize the lives of our students and our communities. Theyre marching because young people should be worrying about homework, not whether theyre safe at school. Im inspired by the students of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School who will be marching for all of our lives on March 24th and Im inspired by everyone who has stepped up to join them.
So Im asking: Will you join a March for Our Lives event near you?
I have always believed in our power to make change if we come together and demand it. I hope youve been as inspired by these students as I have now, more than ever, is the time to speak out.
Thank you,
Hillary
Hillary isn't desperate for a self inflated promo photo op.
READ HER WORDS OF SUPPORT
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)She didn't interrupt anyone?
WTF
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Just a sincere note of support & encouragement.
Because that is who SHE is.
The difference between the 2 of them is glaringly obvious.
She's been fighting for Human Rights a long time
There's never been any question where she stands as to the rights of many vs a few with big NRA money dictating their vote.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Whether one wants thanks or not.
Squinch
(50,935 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,139 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)access to the mic.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... I think we've seen this type of behavior before.
underpants
(182,734 posts)jrthin
(4,835 posts)what one is thinking so well. Thank you for the needed smiles and giggles.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)to speak.
Like Congresswoman Esty, who was taking her turn to speak when he walked in, took the stage, then left before he could listen to any of his fellow reps, or any of the kids who organized this event.
That would have been bad optics.
KTM
(1,823 posts)Speakers both before and after Senator Sanders at this event used identical megaphones. Stop spreading nonsense.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And they stayed to listen, and stand behind those speakers after their turn with the bullhorn.
Is that clearer?
KTM
(1,823 posts)I dont disagree that Senator Sanders should have obtained an official speaking slot if the organizers wanted to allow him to speak, or else saved his comments for some other time. However, this thread is full of outright lies that make his behavior seem MUCH worse. He did not shove anyone aside, he did not storm the stage, he did not bring his own megaphone. He was leaving the event, his departure caused the crowd to go nuts, and that disrupted the event. He spoke very briefly to the crowd that mobbed him, praised them, then continued on.
Sure, if he was a guest at the event, he should have stayed. Even if he wasnt, maybe he should have, though that would have likely caused further chaos. Those who are mad about the actual things that happened are in their right, but we shouldnt tolerate the inflation of those things via falsehood simply to turn up the outrage levels.
Can you specify some particular "lies" in this thread? Links would be helpful.
Are you talking about the young woman who tweeted?
And this "mobbing" you describe from "the crowd" - I didn't see that in the video.
It certainly wasn't from the Congresswoman that he interrupted.
Perhaps you can clarify where the megaphone that he obtained came from - an invited speaker, perhaps? I didn't see that in the video.
And your saying that my post doesn't contain a "complete lie" seems to imply that it contained a "partial" lie.
Can you clarify that?
KTM
(1,823 posts)My post, to which you replied, refuted the notion expressed in Post #13, "Actually he brought his own bullhorn..." He did not.
You replied with a nonsequitur to that, indicating that other speakers, before and after Senator Sanders, stayed to listen to others, and asked "is that better."
I answered.
Now, if you actually watch any of the videos in this thread, you'll see the crowd rushing towards Senator Sanders, and begin chanting and making a lot of noise. If you choose the CSPAN video, you will see the moment the microphones at the podium failed, at which point an organizer gives Congresswoman Esty a bullhorn, while another organizer holds an identical one. You will then see the camera turn to the crowd around Sanders, and then you see an organizer hand HIM an identical bullhorn.
My post never indicated your post contained a lie; it indicated the one it replied to was not true, and that yes yours was better than that one for not including that lie.
Simples.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Did someone in the crowd hand it to him?
And if my post was a "partial lie" what part of it was a lie?
And I find it interesting that some of the people who are making noise that has been described as "the crowd going nuts" is being made by people who don't yet see him.
I can imagine that word got out to some people in DC who are fans that Bernie would be making a surprise appearance at the March, and to watch for him. Maybe people who hadn't planned to go, but perhaps would for a chance to see Bernie speak in front of a crowd.
I can imagine there was some real disappointment on his part at his not being invited to speak. So much so that he simply decided to take the podium from someone else who was invited to speak. (yes, that's in the video)
And the tweet explaining specifically why he was not invited has certainly been a disappointment to people here. I imagine that people who were in the crowd that knew he hadn't been invited wanted to show that they would be very, very, very happy to have him come and take the podium to speak anyway.
And maybe that's where the bullhorn came from, if he didn't bring one himself, as you have asserted many times.
Im done with this discussion - there are four different videos here, if you want to continue to believe something contrary to what we can all see, thats up to you. You clearly are determined to imagine your own reality, and to try to pull others down into it with you. Enjoy yourself.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Even though you have no evidence support your claims to the contrary.
Then go on the defensive to try to deflect.
Got it.
You are very unhappy with the revelation from the student organizer that BS was not invited, and why he wasn't.
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ehrnst
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because answering them requires one to face uncomfortable truths. I guess that's one way to look at it.
Is that what you mean by "a term for what I am doing here?"
I thought it was called, "continuing to stay on the topic, even though that topic might make someone uncomfortable" to the point of calling anyone who disagrees with them "liars," "those who cling to falsehoods" and ersatz Republicans.
I think Bernie will be ok if you chilled out. You keep saying "I'm done here" then you jump back in...
George II
(67,782 posts)....where Sandy Hook is located?
I notice he didn't DARE interrupt the two Connecticut Senators (Sandy Hook is their constituents, too) but there's a bit of a difference there.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Cha
(297,050 posts)waited to be invited by the KIDS, who organized the March for Our Lives. It was their Event.
I appreciate the Organizers being aware of what's going on, and voicing their opinion about it. This was about The KIDS, and who they wanted to be there.
George II
(67,782 posts)....If he wasn't invited, why was he there? Follow up - if he wasn't invited why did he speak?
Cha
(297,050 posts)paying attention knows the answer to that.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)When one sees a congressperson who is clearly so "interruptable" what's to stop one?
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)no matter who is the power
Doodley
(9,078 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Response to lunamagica (Reply #31)
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LexVegas
(6,048 posts)Progressive dog
(6,900 posts)and I guess they're too young to not be surprised at Sen. Sanders inserting himself.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)are some good leaders there who'll no doubt benefit from it.
I've been wondering. Faces in the crowd on the video range from neutral, curious, to clearly excited at thinking he's going to come by close to them. No screamers. But somewhere off camera in the back of the crowd was a group of girls literally screaming 1960s teenieboopper style. Given that he was using this event to steal credit for himself, bringing his own megaphone, could he have provided the screamers too? Perhaps some of his followers who were invited to head over there and see the great man?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Wwcd
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I have to wonder how much of everything public he does is staged.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)he and the media, who need something interesting to talk about on the stable left, portray. What power he has mostly comes from his numbers, or illusion of numbers, so it has to be carefully maintained and hopefully grown. That's why he didn't call out Russia or our right-wing swiftboaters for pretending his loyal support is far larger than it is. He couldn't afford the truth.
And they're planning to use him, or whoever replaces him, again in 2020. Look at this The Hill coverage of this event: "Sanders cheers students protesting gun violence: 'We are very proud' " Absolutely no mention in the article that the students didn't invite him because of his services to gun manufacturers and that he disrespected them by crashing the event.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)That's it.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and neither are we.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)with the reasons why he was not on that stage, might make that difficult.
I imagine that makes many people anxious, as we've seen.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I still believe that was his original intent.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Cha
(297,050 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... I'm glad to see they're specifically clarifying this, leaving no wiggle room. He was not wanted there. He was intentionally not invited. He was intentionally excluded. On purpose. With intent.
Cha
(297,050 posts)I was so glad to see they knew his record.. we figured they did at the time. These KIDS are smart.. too smart for the pols and the NRA.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)when he interrupted Sandy Hook's congresswoman by pushing through the crowd and up onto the platform. She did try to lead a "Let her speak" chant before he got to the front, but the disturbance from the crowd as he and his police escort pushed through was too loud.
You know, Sanders was specifically not invited. Not only that, he crashed the event anyway and left immediately after his brief "sick and tired" rant. The Democratic congresspeople who were invited spent an hour there, speaking, listening to all the student speakers, and chatting with attendees.
There's no getting around it, this was a particularly contemptible and unprincipled publicity stunt and a contemptuous finger at the Democratic colleagues who were invited. Now it turns out the insult was extended to the students themselves.
Very badly done, Sanders.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)I'm so glad that these kids can see through him. They won't hear him say "free college" and fall into a trance. The tragedy they are going through made them wise beyond their years.
herding cats
(19,558 posts)I'm not familiar with the name.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)herding cats
(19,558 posts)I think I may be misunderstanding?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)herding cats
(19,558 posts)I'm acronym deficient...
Thank you.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)demigoddess
(6,640 posts)deurbano
(2,894 posts)I've been left behind....
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,309 posts)I Came And Mugged (for the cameras).
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)pandr32
(11,574 posts)Badly done, indeed.
RestoreAmerica2020
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..? Was it in Flint--hold on, yes Flint, Mich. Bernie is proving to be a bully; sure assertive when appropriate -- how he didn' t know it was an inopportune time...is well--tone deaf.
Someone needed to apporoach him and tell him ...no not at this time...just as Pastor Greene did when she took control of the messaging when dealing wth dotard, she said:
"Mr. Trump, I invited you here to thank us for what we've done in Flint, not give a political speech," said [Pastor Faith Green Timmons, Bethel United Methodist Church in Flint, Mich, Sept 14, 2016]
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Bless her. I also remember Trump doing his timid dog thing of backing down in her presence then barking ferociously at her later when he was safely out of reach, a pattern of his.
I suspect Sen. Sanders is a genuine zealot, whose belief in the righteousness of...well, himself, makes him feel his ends justify whatever means he feels are necessary. We all know him far better from his actions now than before 2015, when he was most famous for the I before his name in picture captions. His record of voting with the Democratic caucus almost all the time was on its face very misleading, as it turned out. But we now have a rich, involved history of his actions to evaluate his ethics and true attitudes and motivations by. This shabby little business is just another action among many that reveal his disregard and contempt for others, but a telling one. Hard to pretend these high school students deserved this.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,319 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,319 posts)i think that's like right outside his office? Last time I checked.
I'm pretty sure you can string together tweets to fit any narrative you want. A cursory look at those tweets show a couple anti-Bernie avatars. Who are we to believe? Random twitters? Or our lying eyes?
Big deal. He spent thirty whole seconds praising and thanking the protesters. A crime against humanity, to be sure.
Life will go on (for most).
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)would be invited to the protests. Sanders was not one of them. The tweet was from one of the organizers.
mcar
(42,295 posts)1 student, followed by 1 legislator and so on. BS rudely interrupted one of his own colleagues to get his own way.
Classy.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)With his NRA pathetic record, he is now being outed by these smart brave kids for what he really is.
About time someone calls him out.
They are not impressed.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)They know about he 5 mo votes on the Brady bill and yes vote on the PLCAA. And how he first got into Congress.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Link to tweet
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Time Sanders is held to account for his record.
The actual one. Not the watered down version he uses for self promotion.
Glad to see these young people being smart & vetting those who would exploit their sincere mission just for a self promotional photo op.
He actually brought his own damn megaphone!
Shoved his way center stage, shouted for a minute & bailed before anyone could confront him as to his gun rights record.
Who the F does that at an event as serious as this one?
He should be embarassed. He used them!
Damn.
"To all those that are attacking us for having him at the event; we are aware of his stance on the issue and were surprised and upset at his actions."
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,912 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)From the NRA
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)watching what happens will work. fingers crossed
BoneyardDem
(1,202 posts)He made a huge blunder....it's ok to admit it. FWIW Bernie is not infallible
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,319 posts)I'm pointing out the absurdity of making Mount Everest out of a pimple.
That's all.
No more no less.
BoneyardDem
(1,202 posts)somehow I'm not surprised.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,319 posts)... is a thousand times worse than a 30 second speech PRAISING the protesters.
Maybe we should investigate further who was "attacking" these kids. It wasn't Bernie.
"To all those that are attacking us for having him at the event"
BoneyardDem
(1,202 posts)...puts you in a position to determine the degree and hierarchy of the litany of issues that went wrong, with Bernie showing up uninvited?
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,319 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)the organization of this event and on the rights and dignity of the students. He was not invited. He had no right to insult them and use their event against their wishes.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,319 posts)Why is it you want to ignore the fact the twitter trolls were attacking these kids?
BoneyardDem
(1,202 posts)The event participants, at that moment, likely didn't know about Bernie's pro gun policies and votes. The organizers did, which is why he wasn't invited. Well, the event participants know now.
I'm thinking Bernie just lost several thousand votes...and gained none. These kids are not dumb and they are connected and the news is out. Bernie was wrong.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Do you know?
And not all of the reactions I saw in the video were positive.
And I think that there is more than one passively worded attack/dismissal on the "one student" for stating that Sanders was not invited and why, in this very thread.
Why is it that you want to ignore that?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Doesn't mention anyone else. Stop deflecting. Their beef is with SANDERS.
Funny you don't think it is disgusting Sanders used them. They do.
obamanut2012
(26,064 posts)You are so predictable about this.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,319 posts)"To all those that are attacking us for having him at the event"
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)"we are aware of his stance on the issue and were surprised and upset at his actions."
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,319 posts)"To all those that are attacking us for having him at the event"
I'm sure it was fun having the gun nuts and partisan ax grinders making their lives miserable.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)"we are aware of his stance on the issue and were surprised and upset at his actions."
That's what she said. Again, stop deflecting.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,319 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)BoneyardDem
(1,202 posts)those kids are all connected. They now know that Bernie wasn't invited, why he wasn't invited (pro NRA record) and the fact that he interrupted an invited guest with connections to Sandy Hook. I'd bet he just lost a few thousand votes today and gained none.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)not really credible, according to some here.
No matter that she knew who was invited and who was NOT, and why.
KTM
(1,823 posts)You're not using her literal words anymore, are you? Or did I miss a tweet ?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)"we are aware of his stance on the issue and were surprised and upset at his actions."
KTM
(1,823 posts)"To all those that are attacking us for having him at the event; we are aware of his stance on the issue and were surprised and upset at his actions."
So, she disagrees with his vote on some gun legislation. I saw in one of her other tweets she took him to task for opposing lawsuits against manufacturers. Thats cool.
She also was suprised and upset at his actions. I believe her.
A moment ago, you posted that you were quoting her literal words. I dont think she said ANYWHERE "he made it miserable."
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)I was applying the same standard HBS when I replied to HBS. Why don't you ask him were Benna literally said that?
So, by "according to Brenna" what you meant was "according to my interpretation of something else Brenna said." And in actuality, "he made it miserable" is according to lunamagica, NOT according to Brenna. Got it.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)KTM
(1,823 posts)The subthread implied one poster was making assumptions, then indicated something to the effect of "these are her literal words," then proceeded to make a statement similar to "according to that person, to whom I referred when I said I was using her literal words, Bernie made the event miserable," which seems to imply that those were also her words. Im glad we have clarified that they were not.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)sweetloukillbot
(11,002 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)obamanut2012
(26,064 posts)Nice moving of the goalposts.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,319 posts)"To all those that are attacking us for having him at the event"
See the original tweet. Please and thank you.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Oh, wait.
Nevermind.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)statements. But he won't be questioned.
The few times anyone has managed to question him show that he can't handle it. He loses his temper and becomes aggressive.
That's why he rushes out before anyone has a chance to speak to him
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)had more to say before she was interrupted with the grand entrance.
But clearly it wasn't very important.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)What good purpose did it serve to interrupt her?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)of course.
What could she possibly have been saying that more relevant and important than a very, very important man who was not invited to speak there?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Changing the topic when you aren't successful at defending your point still doesn't defend your point.
Got nothing, do you?
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)this place has become very hard to visit... the spin needed for this one is beyond amusing.. I hear a whole lot about "bots' these days - the internet is a wacky place..
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)He's just reclaiming his time.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Bernie is not, no ever has been a Democrat.
He is a grandstander. Like Trump, it is all about him.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)"it is all about him"
He is reclaiming "his" time.
Can't I have a little fun?
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Seems to run in the family in fact.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and didn't have time to understand what he was doing then, they certainly have now.
You know, of course, that Sanders interrupted Congresswoman Esty, who represents Sandy Hook? He pushed up where she had been standing, requiring the head organizer to move aside for him also, spoke, left, and THEN Representative Esty was able to continue.
She undoubtedly lost track in the first week after the murders of 20 small children, btw, of how many hours she spent with their grieving parents, much less in the years since. She knows all the children who died by name and their favorite ice creams.
THIS nice woman.
There are SOME things, Hassin, you shouldn't try to excuse away. Just find another thread and change the subject.
KTM
(1,823 posts)" He pushed up where she had been standing, requiring the head organizer to move aside for him also..."
Senator Sanders was leaving, after having spoken briefly to the students earlier... the crowd went nuts, interrupting Congresswoman Esty's remarks. They turned and moved towards his entourage. Sanders was surrounded by a mob, and led by two officers to the spot where he spoke. He was joined at that spot by Miss Levitan and the other student who appears to be one of the organizers.
Notice where the Congresswoman spoke, using a Pyle bullhorn behind a row of microphones (which were having issues.) The Senator spoke elsewhere, surrounded by a throng of students, briefly. He was handed a bullhorn, spoke in the center of students where there was no rack of microphones. When he finished, the CSPAN camera remains on him leaving surrounded by that throng, then pans back to Congreswoman Esty, who introduces another student speaker back at the podium, behind the microphones. That student speaks using the same type and brand of bullorn until the fixed microphone is returned to the podium.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)He didn't back off when he realized he was disrupting her, not even when the organizers tried to calm the noise around him at the back of the crowd and "let her speak." Rep. Etsy was only able to resume her interrupted speech after Sanders left. And where he stood while he spoke would in no way excuse his incredible boorishness.
But whatever. As I suggested to Hassin, changing the subject by posting on other threads and helping this one drop would be a much better tactic.
KTM
(1,823 posts)He did not shove her aside. He was led to where he eventually spoke, on his way out of the event. The fact that throngs of students mobed him, and began chanting his name is not his fault. THAT is what interrupted her. He wasnt on her stage, he wasnt trying to get there. He did not push aside the student organizer. He didnt crash the stage. He didnt barge in and interrupt, his departure created a chaos that interrupted. Those are two very different scenarios.
YOU are tying to make this seem like something it is not, and outright falsehood is not a tactic we should embrace here.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)tool to be used only when we imagine it's working for us. I don't know how to make you understand what happened here and why I think it reveals something important that all should take note of in this man who wants to be a leader.
But in any case, when we regard the truth with respect even when we don't like it, we don't find ourselves trying to defend the indefensible, or trying to foist a dreadful mistake on the nation. Imo, it's best if Sanders finish his career as one among 100 in the senate, where he has never been free to do much harm, not disregarding some Sierra Blancas here and there.
Btw, did you know that Sanders got his wife a paying position on the Texas Low-Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Compact Commission? It oversaw the Sierra Blanca dump site and got rid of an old Paul Wellstone amendment that would have protected this impoverished community from this literally toxic scheme. The great, and genuine, progressive Paul Wellstone being helpfully dead, of course.
KTM
(1,823 posts)"He pushed up where she had been standing, requiring the head organizer to move aside for him also" - this is simply not true.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)which can be found on line.
Only $4900 that year, but the commission was set up some time in the early to mid 1990s, so she's been earning income from this gig for over 20 years. She was supposedly still on the commission monitoring Vermont's low-level nuclear waste dump near a poor Texas town in 2016, so probably is now. Could be embarrassing for her husband if some problem turned up, or became public.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Imagine if the congresswoman had dared to do the same to Senator Sanders.
Would it have been brushed off as "only 30 seconds!"
I think not.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)Weird.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)who knew that he would be there.
Oh, wait....
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)Politicians have had the mic for a long time and nothing happens, it's the children's turn now.
And just look at David's tweet...
Hey if you're marching on the 24th MAKE SURE YOU REGISTER TO VOTE AT YOUR MARCH if you're organizing a march contact your local election officials and get people there to register!!!!! This isn't just voting - THIS IS VOTING TO SAVE LIVES.
Link to tweet
These children can make the difference...and many of them will be voting in 2018 and even more in 2020.
oasis
(49,365 posts)njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)LonePirate
(13,414 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)true believers in the party who would probably follow him. Those're strongly attracted to media telling them how awful Democrats are, so I can't imagine why they wouldn't.
Imo, it would best if those who despise Democrats leave the party, a little hit yes, but one with payoffs. It's like the white racist males some want us to woo back from Trump. Both groups' contempt for Democrats muddies our image and message, and we need to replace them with people who can play well with other factions.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)for someone who only held 90% of my beliefs as their beliefs and that I could elect someone who is 100%, I would follow them also.
It wouldnt be true, of course, but I would believe it.
At 18 I would be too immature and inexperienced to know that isnt true, that no politician is perfect and anyone who appears to be probably has more issues than you would want to deal with.
We are however witnessing many youngsters, first time voters, who are not paying attention to personality and only the issues, they are the future.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I do remember when I was 7 thinking Nixon would be a better president than Kennedy because he was older. My first election. In my defense, at least he actually was older. But most of all, I think even then I was immune to shining knight illusions. At least, the whole Camelot schtick left me unimpressed, and the royal family stuff offensive. Boring, but I was already oriented to competence and achievement.
Likely this generation coming of age with Trump may have fewer shining-eyed innocents. Human nature is what it is, though. Only somewhat more will bother to look up candidates' records, even if they're no farther away than their laps.
BoneyardDem
(1,202 posts)and I'm glad to hear that they also had done their homework.
Those are amazing kids.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)with a crash move, not cool for someone with a history of pro gun.
They were organized and he should have made plans with them
Both Levitan and David Hogg got additional college rejection letters last weekend. Imagine all these kids are dealing with at this time just from graduating high school while speaking out
No kid should have to ever again be part of a school murder scene be it one or mass .
Support thier causes online for the future protests if you can or attend
karynnj
(59,501 posts)I would think that the leadership they have showed would actually have the opposite affect if they were borderline in being accepted. Most students are encouraged to apply both to a few safe schools and some reach schools. I know a friend's daughter who was accepted years ago to several Ivy League schools and not to a less prestigious school, which likely realized that she would not choose them.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)surviving a mass murder scene in what was once a day long safe space( the high school) , for some ptsd, and thier group goals to speak on guns now, but just being at the age of graduation
I can't imagine, but I support them and will be out march 24
I would hope theyboth get in to at least one school on their list.
karynnj
(59,501 posts)They have been amazing in the strength that they have shown - in spite of all they went through and are going though.
I hope that some college admissions offices in excellent colleges reach out to them and encourage a late application. At least Hogg, who I have seen speak often on TV, is - no matter what his academic record or SATs are - someone who is already pretty amazing, who could benefit from the education and mentoring a top school would provide. I don't know if things like that ever happen, but if schools can recruit the top football, basketball etc players, why not these heroes?
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,397 posts)I've had very few votes that I regret over the course of my life, but Sanders in the primary is definitely one of them.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Glad to see that you're taking it in stride. I'm pretty amazed to see how many (here and elsewhere) are trying so hard (so very very hard) to deflect the well-deserved criticism. I'd probably respect them more if they'd just "man-up" and admit that he failed to properly handle the fact that he wasn't invited (or, more accurately: that he was intentionally not invited.) I'm sure it must be embarrassing for Bernie's fans to see him make such an obvious (and totally avoidable) mistake... but someone needs to let them know that they're really not helping things by making excuses for socially unacceptable and "entitled" behavior.
All I'm saying is that it serves no good purpose for a handful of people (here and elsewhere) to try and dismiss the concerns and feelings of those students who worked so hard to make the protest/rally come together, and those students and organizers who felt that an uninvited someone tried to hijack it for selfish purposes.
diva77
(7,639 posts)Kids swoon over Bernie Sanders at gun control rally: Watch
by Pete Kasperowicz
| March 14, 2018 03:30
High school-age protesters from around the nation gasped, swooned and chanted "Bernie! Bernie!" on Wednesday at the Capitol as Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., arrived to talk at a gun control rally.
Sanders arrived as Rep. Elizabeth Esty, D-Conn., was speaking, and she had to stop as the crowd of kids screamed and rushed to see the popular senator.
"Is he coming?" Esty asked as she lowered her megaphone.
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Sanders was coming. Seconds later, he started making his way toward the stage, fighting his way through the crowd of high school fans who swarmed him.
SNIP
progressoid
(49,964 posts)There's only one truth and that's the truth of a random twitterer. That video was obviously doctored by the Washington Post.
lapucelle
(18,235 posts)You can watch the full video at C-SPAN. Congresswoman Esty doesn't appear to have been able to finish her remarks, and student activist/organizer/survivor/author of the tweet Brenna Levitan looks upset during Sanders' grandstanding as she stands on stage behind him. I certainly wouldn't dismiss her as a "random twitterer".
https://www.c-span.org/video/?442579-1/students-march-capitol-demand-action-gun-control-legislation
progressoid
(49,964 posts)There sure were a lot of students who were angry he showed up.
Here's another C-Span video where you can hear Esty finish her remarks.
lapucelle
(18,235 posts)in this video. No wonder she's angry.
ejbr
(5,856 posts)the attendees didnt get the memo from the organizers that they were supposed to boo him.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)progressoid
(49,964 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)what a horrible man.. that is it, I regret my primary vote!! ( as I stomp off into the distance)
George II
(67,782 posts)....just a few seconds later she stops, looks into the crowd, and was perplexed with what was going on. Then continue, Sanders was wading through the crowd on the ground (not on the steps where the organized speakers were) and the children that everyone says was "cheering" him were actually chanting "LET HER SPEAK, LET HER SPEAK"!! You didn't hear that? It's from about 30:15 on. Let the video roll.
And there he was, in the middle of the crowd, with his own megaphone (not the one she was using) and he interrupted her.
progressoid
(49,964 posts)He had two bullhorns. After he gave one to her, he walked off and shortly thereafter gave the other to Sanders.
Glad I could clear that up for you.
George II
(67,782 posts)....because the one she had wasn't working. So, are you claiming that the "dude" raced at warp speed down the steps and through the crowd to get to where Sanders was in a mere 30 seconds or so to hand him a bullhorn that wasn't working? How did he find him in that crowd so quickly?
Quite a stretch if you ask me.
And what do you say about all the students chanting at Sanders, about Esty "Let her speak, let her speak"? They recognized him as being disruptive.
Bottom line, he wasn't invited and as such shouldn't have been there to disrupt the event and interrupt the speakers who were on the steps of the Capitol.
No, you didn't clear up anything for me, but.............
progressoid
(49,964 posts)The guy (I said "dude" because it fit in the subject line) with the bullhorns is Aaron Torop, one of the organizers. You can see him at the beginning of the video walking Nancy Pelosi to the stage and then starting the event. Pelosi even mentions him in her opening remarks. In fact, you can see him floating around during the whole event.
He's easy to spot; beard, red shirt, yarmulke.
After leaving Esty, it took Torop & Levitan about a minute to meet Sanders with the other bullhorn.
No, I didn't hear all the students chanting "Let her speak, let her speak". I did hear a few of them chanting it though.
Before and after Sanders' lengthy speech (a whopping one minute and 7 seconds) did you hear a lot more students chanting "BERNIE! BERNIE! BERNIE!"?
George II
(67,782 posts)I just don't understand why some are excusing his rude and boorish behavior.
So, a question - with all the speakers there (Pelosi, Schumer, Blumenthal, Murphy, Esty, etc....), if he was "supposed" to be there why was he the ONLY member of Congress not on the steps of the Capitol with them, and why was he the ONLY member of Congress far from where the event was taking place? Seems odd, doesn't it? (your turn)
BoneyardDem
(1,202 posts).......When Bernie's base was the younger often ill informed, crowd? I wonder how many of them knew of Bernie's NRA records prior to this event?
While the organizer carefully vetted the speakers, the event participants likely didn't know then....I'm 100% they know now.
Bernie likely lost any hope of a vote from that younger, now better informed crowd
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)that he ran for the Dem primaries.
But the organizers knew, and that's why they didn't invite him.
And now all of them are aware of his record on guns
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)KTM
(1,823 posts)In his first speech, no megaphone at all.
In fact, watch the CSPAN video that lapucelle linked below... you see they have microphone issues just before Congresswoman Esty speaks. At 28:43 she goes to speak, and they have issues. One of the sudent organizers (who later stands behind Senator Sanders while he speaks) takes a megaphone that is handed to him to give to her, but another aide has already handed her an identical one.
After Senator Sanders speaks, the camera returns to Congresswoman Esty, who then introduces a young student speaker, who also uses an identical megaphone.
The megaphones were provided for the speakers. Stop spreading untruths.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)I have no proof one way or the other...just discussing it. I have not made one twitter post on this subject so not spreading anything. We don't need this controversy all the time.
KTM
(1,823 posts)I know you posted this before my other reply to you below, so I would normally just leave it at that... but, I gotta just qubble with the fact that you have posted "Show me... I have no proof one way or the other" as a reply to my post made almost three hours earlier in which I provided a play-by-play of what happened and pointed you to a specific video that is linked in this thread, and the time within it, to see that very proof. It's right there for you to see.
I agree, we dont need this controversy - but the controversy is being mostly manufactured, fed into a tweet amplifier, and inflated into something made of 10% truth and 90% hot air. We should avoid that here, on all topics, by not allowing ourselves to be manipulated into using an unwarranted filter on reality created specifically to inflame - which is to say, by verifying everything and not placing trust in Twitter or Facebook or even the crowd mentality around us, wherever we are. Like they say, sometimes the "M" is silent.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)bullshit which I won't even dignify by saying what it was. I will look at you earlier post. If you have anything else feel free. I like to know the entire story.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)"I read it on twitter and here at DU."
Your welcome.
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)And FIVE replies from ADULT Bernie bashers
shenmue
(38,506 posts)GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)How many agenda-driven adults will come together to hijack a high school student's twitter feed (a twitter feed which actually touches on dozens of important issues and shows a remarkable amount of insight, btw) to promote their singular objective of trashing Sanders.
dembotoz
(16,797 posts)lapucelle
(18,235 posts)who has a path cleared by armed police so he or she can hijack a student event.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)THEY DID NOT INVITE HIM.
and there are WAY more than five replies. I didn't post more, but you are free to check them
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)No one ever claimed he was.
AND
Not one of those replies were about whether he was invited
It's about the Bernie haters who hijacked the thread to spread their "gospel."
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)These kids have lived through a horrific tragedy and they are fighting for their lives. They organized the event and carefully selected who they wanted to hear speak.
Sanders storms in, pushes out a female speaker, brings out his own bullhorn (can you believe that?) talks, and leaves just as abruptly as he came.
It was crass, opportunistic, and insensitive. I don' get how anyone can defend that.
Again, the students are fighting for their lives, They deserve respect, and have every right to call him out for using them for a photo op
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)with "they" calling him out and EVERYTHING to do with the adults who swarmed on the opportunity to further their agenda.
In her entire feed there is not one other anti-Bernie comment or re-tweet (and the one that got swarmed was "anti-Bernie" in only the mildest way).
It isn't about those adults and their agenda. It's about those students and theirs.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)because he wasn't invited because of his record of guns.
Dot twist this around. The students DID NOT INVITE HIM
Cha
(297,050 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)The op starts with a tweet by a Parkland Survivor? Yes.
Was Brenna Levitan the organizer of the event? Yes.
Did the event organizers invite Sanders? No
Did Brenna Levitan, the event organizer tweet that students were "surprised and upset at his actions" yes.
Stop being disingenuous.
She did not need to add anything, Her tweet said everything. How many anti-Bernie statements do you need?
You have no idea what age the rest of the responders are
lapucelle
(18,235 posts)KTM
(1,823 posts)herding cats
(19,558 posts)After the shooting in Parkland, Florida, one month ago, students around the country watched Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school students channel their grief and anger into action. Inspired, and with a new sense of their own political power as many come of age to vote, students have begun to organize their student bodies into political action committees focused on spurring a change in gun control laws with hopes of preventing yet another school shooting.
Brenna Levitan is one of those students. A senior at Montgomery Blair High School in Silver Spring, Maryland, she helped form Montgomery County Students For Gun Control and runs digital platforms and media relations for the group, which includes 26 area high schools.
According to Levitan, the group was created after a previous walkout of a few Montgomery County schools on Feb. 21, one week after the Parkland shooting. She and six other students "wanted to give students in the DMV [District/Maryland/Virginia] area a platform in which they could find their voices and use them to the best of their ability."
"We wanted students to know that their opinions matter, and, whether or not they can vote yet, they are incredible advocates for change," she said.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/laurageiser/gun-control-march-washington-montgomery-county-walkout?utm_term=.cxLppBy33#.gywVVmzrr
I have the deepest respect for her and what she's doing.
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)And that blip isn't half of what she has done.
HOWEVER, the majority of the tweets in the OP were replies from ADULTS who seem to have nothing to do but look for anywhere they can bash Sanders.
George II
(67,782 posts)....twitter thread itself. The responses here aren't the only ones.
So I guess you're okay with:
1. Sanders inviting himself to an event to which he wasn't invited
2. Interrupting the Congresswoman representing Sandy Hook so he could speak with his own megaphone
Being from Connecticut and the district abutting Congresswoman Esty represents (and I've met her several times), I find that behavior unacceptable for a United States Senator.
sprinkleeninow
(20,235 posts)and in bad taste.
Why didn't he request to be added as a speaker.
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)and voting in 2018. They have their voice and now will have their vote.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)She is amazing. Unbelievable how some are dismissing her as being "just a student" because she refused to worship Sanders and dared to call him out for using them.
Shame on Sanders and anyone who defends this.
George II
(67,782 posts)....from Brenna Levitan, you'll see dozen of additional responses.
Also, there's this from a tweeter. Click on it and read the entire thread:
Link to tweet
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)As for your example:
From her Twitter page:
Adult Bernie haters hijacking a Twitter thread (started by someone who is actually doing something constructive with her life) that wasn't about them or their agenda.
George II
(67,782 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,319 posts)"To all those that are attacking us for having him at the event"
Because the anti-Bernie warriors were attacking a high school student organizer over Bernie speaking for approximately 30 seconds.
Talk about using the event for your own agenda...
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Everyone else's reaction notwithstanding, the ORGANIZER of the event is aware of his stance on gun control and was surprised and upset at his actions.
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)That they are all "adult Bernie haters"? Please help me here, I am truly confused to your point/proof.
Thanks, Gary.
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)The original tweet doesn't make my point. (It does show how a mature high school student can put the rest of us to shame when it comes to sticking to real issues and not devolve into political bickering, even her follow up tweet was on a whole different level of maturity than the replies . . . she is amazing)
What I did was to take about 10 minutes to click on the replies included in the OP and scroll down their feeds.
At George II's suggestion, I also scrolled down all the replies to the original tweet and just hovered over the names. Not one other student.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,319 posts)... speaking at the event.
Gee. I wonder who was attacking these kids?
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)bring up the controversy and the questionable votes.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)She deserves nothing but respect
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Let's not dismiss that.
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)Wasn't my problem. It was the same old whine from the five adult Bernie bashers quoted in the OP who (together with dozens of fellow travellers) hijacked that student's tweet.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)People would have ripped her to shreds.
And she actually has a record of fighting for gun control, unlike Bernie whose record is quite the opposite.
mcar
(42,295 posts)would have felt differently had it been HRC, I feel quite certain.
mudstump
(342 posts)Since when is a protest by invitation only?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Speaking just for myself, I know that I would never feel so entitled that I'd barge in uninvited.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)David__77
(23,367 posts)...
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)but then you knew that.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)I wish we could discuss it.
Our very lives are at stake over it.
Oh well.
if you get on natl TV again i have a line for you but I cant say it here, I can PM it to you.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)when you yourself refused to apologize to the Sandy Hook parents for your own votes that helped make that tragedy possible, is crass and classless at best. To join a gun protest with two armed guards - also crass, and I hope none of the teenagers were triggered. (I know I get very uncomfortable when I see armed security guards, and I live in Norway, one of the safest countries on Earth.) To completely disregard the speaker list, to just go there, elbow your way in, say what you want, and then leave when you've gotten your photo op? Well, it doesn't speak well for the Senator.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)JI7
(89,244 posts)Let's keep the focus on the gun control issue.
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)I was shocked actually. The kids screamed like a rock star had arrived and many started running toward him while the senator from CT was speaking. He barely acknowledged the kids, just acted quite arrogant. It was so disappointing.
lapucelle
(18,235 posts)Who shows up uninvited, muscles their way onto a stage, interrupts the message of the congressional representative of a victimized community, and leaves without listening to a single word the student survivors and activists had to say?
Who does this?
KTM
(1,823 posts)lapucelle
(18,235 posts)during the his surprise appearance. I wonder why this twitterer posted a video taken from such an odd angle.
I don't blame the kids in the crowd for being excited by a celebrity sighting, but I wonder why the student survivors/organizers/activists didn't invite BS to share the stage with them.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?442579-1/students-march-capitol-demand-action-gun-control-legislation
KTM
(1,823 posts)Miss Levitan seems annoyed with the the crowd more than anything, and the screaming.
From another video, that was actually the second time he spoke to students there, and this was on his way out, so perhaps that fed her frustrtaion, who knows.
I was suprised that THAT was the speech that people were upset was interrupted... its not as if Bernie came over and cut her off, it was that the crowd went nuts when he started passing through nearby, and the speaker realized that is what was happening. After Bernie spoke, she returned with a few more seconds then introduced a student.
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R B Garr
(16,950 posts)this to Bernie. Interrupted him and upstaged him while he was speaking just to get a photo op for attention, especially after not being invited specifically for his/her gun record votes. The privilege on full display.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)and are just cherry picking. His behavior was boorish and self-serving, just like what has been described here. You have picked a couple rah rah moments about students reacting to an element of surprise. The organizers knew his record on guns and didnt invite him. He interrupted the Sandy Hook speaker, unbelievable. You obviously didnt watch it live.
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)A large crowd of students surrounded progressive Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), whose 2016 presidential campaign was buoyed by support from younger voters. Sanders, speaking through a megaphone, thanked the students for their protest and declared that student protesters were "leading the nation" in the conversation on gun violence.
"All across this country, people are sick and tired of gun violence, and the time is now for all of us together to stand up," Sanders said.
Link to tweet
erronis
(15,219 posts)You don't bring a bull-horn to a rally that you were not invited to address. His arrival with a bodyguard entourage also suggests that he didn't really want to get to know the real people at the rally.
Showing support by just showing up is much more powerful and helpful.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,912 posts)It would be nice if criticism were actually fact based.
erronis
(15,219 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)what he was thinking.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,319 posts)So we have contemporaneous video evidence of the reaction to his appearance which is obviously favorable. You know, the kids in the video? The kids we are supposed to listen to? Those kids.
Then the twitter trolls (probably a good number of Russian bots) want to stir the shit pile and turn this in to something way worse than it was by ATTACKING (according to the organizers) on twitter.
And that makes Bernie a bad guy.
Good lord.
LexVegas
(6,048 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)made a big deal of being there...not spoken...just been supportive. Who goes to a rally uninvited with a megaphone? This was not a wise thing to do.
KTM
(1,823 posts)He didn't - the same megaphones were used by speakers both before and after Senator Sanders' second speech.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)invited and it caused controversy we don't need. And the armed guards he had with him were bad optics also.
KTM
(1,823 posts)We are where and when we are now, and you are going to go with "well, that's what Twiter said" ???
There are multiple videos in this thread via which you can use your own eyes and ears to actually witness what happened.
As for the armed guards... those were Capitol Police. I dont know how much say any Senator has as to the level of their police/Secret Service protection when traversing a crowd, but if you watch the video of him before that speech - as he was leaving the premises - he is instructed to follow those Capitol Police.
Do a google search for "Bernie Sanders escorted by capitol police" or "Bernie Sanders escorted by armed guards" and see the company you are keeping by pushing that line regarding this event, who is making that argument, and why.
KTM
(1,823 posts)LexVegas
(6,048 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,319 posts)... trolls and Russian bots.
Thank god the kids were attacked on twitter.
LexVegas
(6,048 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(4,912 posts)Can we please stop with the non-factual smears. Really. In the middle of the "Facebook helped spread lies to beat Clinton" we get this nonsense?
LexVegas
(6,048 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(4,912 posts)Hope you remember all this the next time you want to talk about Russian bots tearing the Dem Party apart.
LexVegas
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Will you?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)"we are aware of his stance on the issue and were surprised and upset at his actions."
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,319 posts)You should take it up with the other poster. He seems to think they are uninformed.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)I'm sure the rest know about his record on guns by now
LexVegas
(6,048 posts)ooky
(8,921 posts)ooky
(8,921 posts)for interjecting some truth and reminding people that Twitter and Facebook are Russian bot playgrounds. We really need our people to stop sucking up and regurgitating their divisive lies.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)his appearance at the rally. That's what Brenna said. There is a reason why he wasn' invited and he should have respected that.
The organizers did their research to see who was worth an invitation, and Sanders didn't make the cut. Some of the kids attending were a little star-struck, and probably didn't have the depth of knowledge about his record that the organizers did, but trust me, now they know.
I have a feeling Sanders will regret this. He didn't belong there, he wasn't invited, and the spotlight won't do him any favors.
mcar
(42,295 posts)Sen. Sanders owes these students an apology.
LexVegas
(6,048 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Sad
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)ooky
(8,921 posts)So the twitter and facebook bots use divisive techniques to get him attacked from within.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)I wonder if it's the Russians or GOP causing dissension among us?
ooky
(8,921 posts)Their Twitter and Facebook bots and trolls put up a false story that someone here believes and then repeats it. All part of the plot to flame the anger of targeted would be left wing voters hoping that they will do anything but vote for the democratic nominee, which is automatically a vote for the GOP candidate regardless of whether they stay home, vote for a candidate who cant win, or god forsake vote for the Republican, which in effect is a two vote swing. Its still working too, and we need to get a handle on it before the mid terms.
dae
(3,396 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Lars39
(26,109 posts)and he did not reach out to them prior to the event then he is in the wrong. And to interrupt a speaker? Definitely in the wrong.
KPN
(15,641 posts)Senator Sanders continues.
jalan48
(13,853 posts)And don't forget, corporations are people!
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)jalan48
(13,853 posts)Apparently there are a lot who think like him.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)but you posted "Bernie, or rather his ideas, must really be scaring some people.
And don't forget, corporations are people!"
So how I'm I supposed to interpret that? I started the thread, am I a corporation?
jalan48
(13,853 posts)income inequality? Who would be most scared (to use my term) by Bernie's message?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)There are other issues, you know...like gun control
jalan48
(13,853 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)jalan48
(13,853 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)jalan48
(13,853 posts)We can debate the merits of that unrelated one as well.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)jalan48
(13,853 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)have investments for retirement instead of pensions these days. His stance makes me less likely to vote for him. I want banks regulated of course and Wall Street too...but I don't want to see Wall Street and banks which account for many jobs as well sent to say China.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It's the "catch-all" accusation that's meant to deflect all disagreement and criticism. Ugh.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)dansolo
(5,376 posts)Because apparently no one who considers themselves liberal could ever be critical of Bernie
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I just can't stand him. Bernie is all about Bernie. I have a story about him, but the last time I told it I was ripped to shreds on this board.
KPN
(15,641 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Really?
You consider her an assassin?
KPN
(15,641 posts)Sanders in the first place.
I will grant you that, based on the student's representation of how it all went down, Sanders was opportunistic and apparently aggressively so. I don't like that in any politician. It's something I see in many.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Opportunism in and of itself isn't always a negative. Politicians, all politicians, display it in some form or another. In the rude parlance of communication, it's part of "strengthening one's brand." Photo ops, etc.
When it's aggressive, it can backfire.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)KPN
(15,641 posts)But yes, they are organized.
paleotn
(17,902 posts)is the space between a politician and a camera. Is Sanders trying to get out in front of this issue, given his understandable voting record in a rural state? And shoving people out of the way to do so? Hmmmm.
KTM
(1,823 posts)Senator Sanders didnt push or shove anyone, literally or figuratively, and if he were trying to get in front of a camera there all he had to do was stand still.
True Blue American
(17,982 posts)Noticed Bernie as right in front of the Democrats, wondered why.
The media interviewed Berne and Elizabeth. She was right in the middle of the excited students
Did not see Bernie any more, but did wonder why he was in front of the Democrats.
The media always uses him for the left position. His wife is going on trial.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)stirring up the "Ole Dems fight among themselves shit pot! "
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Really?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)but not surprising.
Particularly after seeing the video.
Mike Nelson
(9,951 posts)...primaries began, I thought Bernie was weaker than Hillary and Martin on gun issues. I think he has to represent his voters, though... he should probably make a strong anti-gun stance a part of every appearance, now. He's definitely still running for President.
rgbecker
(4,823 posts)WTF?
https://www.thecut.com/2018/03/teens-cheer-on-bernie-sanders-during-national-walkout-day.html
If the young go for Bernie, we're all fucked!
lunamagica
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Some of the kids attending the event might have been a little star-struck and not as aware of his history as the organizers were.
But I'm sure they know by now.
Unlike the kids who attended his rallies in '16, these kids won't be wowed by promises of free college. Their main issue is gun control, and Sanders record on that is troublesome, to say the least. I don't think it was a wise choice for him to have the spotlight shine on him on this issue. Big mistake
Another difference with these kids is that they are really motivated to vote. This is not about exciting, fun rallies for them. They had to mature before their time. They are fighting for their lives and will have zero tolerance for anyone who has been anti-gun control in any way, shape or form.
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)That's over. We've moved on. This is about CURRENT EVENTS.
David__77
(23,367 posts)rgbecker
(4,823 posts)Very clever of the Senator to bring along his own megaphone! Gotta hand it to him. He'll be hard to stop. Knows all the tricks.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)that is how she felt about it. And everybody else involved? OH Right, you've got all of those responses to her tweet from people with opinions about her tweet? Well shit, there you go. Case closed. By the way, why do you even include all that? Like tweets saying one thing or another are hard to find in the wild, or for that matter those most likely to respond to her post? Oh, could it be they say what you are thinking, which makes them worth a repost here? Shit, it must be everybody because every single response to her tweet that YOU posted indicates that position.
I would assume that everybody around here was just crossing their fingers hoping the next Sanders scandal was true, but the reality is it doesn't matter how accurate the representations of his actions are now does it?
For my part, maybe the organizers are all irritated that he showed up and took the stage. When that becomes clear to me from better evidence than this then it will be worth contemplating the merits or opportunism of his actions. Until that point in time, I guess, feel free to revel in your collective pile-on. If it's so wrong then why does it feel so right....am I right?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)She tweeted that THEY were surprised and UPSET with his actions.
Why is this enough evidence? Are you doubting the word of a Parkland Survivor who also organized the event? Do you even know who Brenna is?
What kind of evidence would be enough for you?
JCanete
(5,272 posts)maybe with permission, maybe entirely embodying what they are thinking. Maybe. I'm certainly not accusing her of lying because I am certain she is not lying. I just don't know that her sentiments are everybody's, or if her sense of everybody else involved is colored by her sentiments, or if she is aware of decisions made by every single other person involved on the fly. Maybe somebody said, yes please speak. Maybe somebody asked him since he was there.
One tweet is typically, not how I am willing to form a factual opinion, except say, on whether or not that tweet just happened.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)what she knew to be true is the same as calling her a liar
JCanete
(5,272 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 22, 2018, 02:50 AM - Edit history (1)
and I didn't do that, nor do I have any reason to doubt her truth as her truth. The question is, was her impression of the other organizers thoughts what they were thinking. Did she have the whole story. Did she talk to one about this? All? You yourself just posted a bunch of tweeters and let that corroborate for you that students who attended feel the same way, yet, who even are these tweeters other than the original? Confirmation bias is a thing.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Sanders isn't progressivism itself, after all. if he gets finally gets bad feedback from this kind of boorishness, he'll hopefully rein it in. And you should want that.
Notably, splinter Progressive groups already formed some time ago that plan to back a new, more effective leader in 2020. Last time I checked their sites his name was only mentioned once on one and not at all on the other. They want a doer. They don't want someone who sees high school students on the march and says, in effect, "There goes a movement. I must get on their stage where the TV cameras are directed."
JCanete
(5,272 posts)She may be intending to speak for others(and may have even done so accurately) but I'd like something more official than her tweet. You don't seem to care about corroboration yourself. You've already made up your own mind because it was made up before this story even happened.
Frankly, I'm more concerned about how willing those of us on our side of the aisle are to accept something because it fits our confirmation bias. That alone is a problem. It happens so damn often where somebody will declare something based on very little evidence that fits the straw-manned version of Sanders and 30 people will weigh in already decided.
No Sanders is not progressivism itself, he is simply the most visible representative of a particular brand of progressivism that is dissafected with politics as usual in Washington along with media bias and blackouts on issues that actually matter. He has a platform. He's using it to bring that messaging into the mainstream. You cannot tell me that non-sanders inspired splinter groups, which as a progressive myself I can't even name off the top of my head, have that same kind of presence and reach.
that said, where he gets something wrong, I will not be a hypocrite. If this went down as everybody here wants to believe it went down with scant evidence, that is worth deliberating over, and THEN your interpretation of the mindset of Sanders becomes as legitimate as any other. Currently, you don't even know what happened. But again, that doesn't seem to matter.
Cha
(297,050 posts)Cha
(297,050 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)Who have the final say on this?
Cha
(297,050 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)Why did you even bother?
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,319 posts)sheshe2
(83,710 posts)Please just let it go. The dead should be mourned and the survivors? Our hearts should go out to them because I for one can't imagine their pain right now. They are fighting for there lives in a system that has ignored their lives and their deaths. They are far more important than any one man. They are our children and our future.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)then I agree, lets not make it one. Except that the tweet itself was in response to people giving her hate that Sanders spoke, so it was already in response to people turning it into a distraction.
Now, if the parkland protesters as a collective want to issue a statement about them not having wanting sanders there(totally respect this lone voice's opinion on the matter but it is hardly difinitive) then it is their right to do, but this was addressed specifically because it was being made an issue by outsiders of the group, who weren't simply letting them mourn.
Cha
(297,050 posts)she.
They are in deep denial and it doesn't matter a bit.
Thank Goodness the KIDS aren't
That's why it's such a good idea to use them as a pretext for continuing an endless hate campaign. Of course.
yardwork
(61,588 posts)Is there confirmation of this?
melman
(7,681 posts)It's totally made up. Not that most here care.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Appears the organizers were not impressed to have their ralley hijacked.
He could have asked for a place among the rest of the speakers.
It wasn't about respecting the young organizers as much as it was about the grandstanding he's become notorious for.
Link to tweet
?s=20
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)1. Never ending tax return preparation (sorta like Trump in a way)
2. Lukewarm, at best, support for
democrats. Biden is really beating the
bushes for every General election
democrat. Bernie is taking sides and
sitting out General election democrats
that he doesn't like.
3. His record on gun control is weak and
consistent, unlike Gillibrand who
changed her stance on guns several
years ago and fully support gun control.
I am sure my observations will be dismissed, that is what Bernie supporters tend to do. I WILL support Bernie if he is my democratic party nominee, but I will vote for anyone else in the primary.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Mine is that I'll be supporting him 100% in the primaries and looking forward to seeing him leading the country.
I also hope that once the primaries begin, DU actually starts enforcing its own rules about not attacking Bernie, as currently this is in the TOS yet ignored on a daily basis.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Look, people here, maybe you, have visciously attacked Kirsten Gillibrand, who is a democrat, even going as far as to say that she should be primaried. How is that for breaking rules? People that live in glass houses. Pelosi has been attacked, Feinstein has been attacked. What makes Bernie so special that people can't point out his inconsistencies?
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Firstly the rules here explicitly name Senator Sanders as someone who is protected from attack. Perhaps you should go and read them again.
Secondly, you just suggested I might have viciously attacked Kirsten Gillibrand, someone I dont recall ever saying a single bad word about. Do you routinely accuse people of things without a single shred of evidence? Does that sound like a positive way to speak to fellow progressives?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)This OP isn't attacking him. It's one that's giving him well-deserved criticism. Besides, the "Sanders Rule" isn't a cloak of invisibility that's intended to protect him from every critical question or curt analysis that can be written about him.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The TOS do not call out a single person by name. I have no idea where that claim came from. The TOS does repeatedly refer to Democrats and democratic politicians. Bernie go after democratic politicians sometime, why should he be immune to valid criticism?
If you read my comments on Gillibrand, Pelosi, Feinstein, you would have seen that my comment was a general call out to people who have attacked them, I did not call out a specific person.
As for calling out things without evidence, I think making claims about stuff being in the TOS that is not there sort of fall under that category and it was not me that did that.
This is heading toward getting personal, there is no way that I am going there. I am sure that you are a good person, pretty much everyone that honestly post on DU is and though I disagree with your post, I think your intentions were basically well meaning.
Lastly, when I think Bernie has crossed a line versus his support of democrats or Democratic Party issues and values, I am going to say something, if that upset people, so be it.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Do not post disrespectful nicknames, insults, or highly inflammatory attacks against any Democratic public figures. Do not post anything that could be construed as bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for any Democratic general election candidate, and do not compare any Democratic general election candidate unfavorably to their general election opponent(s).
Why we have this rule: Our forum members support and admire a wide variety of Democratic politicians and public figures. Constructive criticism is always welcome, but our members don't expect to see Democrats viciously denigrated on this website.This rule also applies to Independents who align themselves with Democrats (eg: Bernie Sanders).
As for your comments on Gillibrand, you said, and I quote..
Maybe me? You had absolutely zero reason for thinking I would have attacked Kirsten Gillibrand. Apparently me supporting Senator Sanders however means I must be some enemy who thinks x, y and z.
Seriously, people who support Sanders are not your enemies. The enemy are the right wing assholes trying to destroy the country. We should not be divided when we have such a clear and present danger right in front of us.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)But you seem to have ignored the "constructive criticism" passage in that rule. Because you don't like criticism of Bernie does not mean that criticism is wrong and break rules.
"Maybe you" does NOT mean YOU. It means maybe or maybe not YOU did something, there is a very distinct difference in interpretation of "You" and "Maybe You".
If you believe my post violated TOS and your claim will hold up to scrutiny, Alert the post and let a jury decide.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)I think its generally a pathetic act that is used to try and silence people, when a discussion would be much more productive.
You know very well though that 'maybe you' was an attack, and one that you had no good reason to make. I don't have any particular problem with anyone making constructive criticism of politicians, anyone who starts believing a politician is perfect is setting themselves up for major disappointment. They're largely ego-driven highly ambitious people who use their charisma to convince people they care about them personally, when this is rarely the case.
It does annoy me a lot however, that in a Democratic community we've reached a point where there's basically a civil war between two sets of progressives when there's a red white house, senate and congress in front of us. In-fighting is a luxury we absolutely cannot afford, and people thinking its oh so super important that they attack their progressive rivals is nothing more than political self-immolation.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I tend to use the phrase in an inquisitive way that says maybe, maybe not. I will pay attention to how I use it.
You are right about progressives taking sides within our own blue tent. I admit to preferring some politicians on our side much more than others when it come to higher office.
But I never, never not support the eventual nominee, never. I wish others will take that position, when my choice in primaries is defeated, I am really deflated, but after a few hours of raging, my choice becomes clear, I am going to support the nominee of my party 100%. You appear to have the same viewpoint. In the primaries of 2020, I hope not to see the issues that existed in 2016, but I afraid that we will see the problems, there are plus and minus strong feelings about every single candidate, so there almost surely is going to be vitriol. Like you, I just hope that people bounce out of the primary with the only goal being to remove Republican's from office, as many as possible, definitely including Trump. Take care.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)And I agree about the final nominee btw. No excuses for anyone sitting out the general.
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Oneironaut
(5,491 posts)Maybe Bernie wasn't invited, but this isn't worth fighting over. The real issue is guns
onit2day
(1,201 posts)So trivial but making a mountain out of a mole hill is just divisive among democrats. Sanders is not against us by any means and I am so sick of this nit picking over trivial comments. Trump was not invited should be the headline. Why bother to bring Bernie into a petty put down when we have so many other important subjects and republicans to point to?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)She bothers a lot of people other than the NRA supporters, apparently.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,228 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)Here we go.. typical DU, @ it's finest..
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)We know the following:
Brenna Levitan (who, btw, should give us all hope for the future of this country) stated in a tweet:
It is therefore factually accurate to state that she said:
1) Senator Sanders was not invited to speak at the National Walk Out Day demonstration in D.C.;
2) The organizers of the event were "attack[ed] for having him at the event;" and,
3) More than one of the organizers (Ms. Levitan was one of the main organizers of the event clearly
used the word "we" ) were "aware of his stance on the issue" and were "upset and
surprised at his actions."
Anyone who cared enough about Ms. Levitan to actually check out her full Twitter feed would have discovered that she illuminated her interpretation of the phrase "his stance on the issues" in a subsequent tweet which very clearly stated that she was referring to his voting record (which undeniably does include a vote against a bill imposing civil liability on gun manufacturers for the use of their product for the purpose they were designed, i.e., to kill other human beings, but in a manner contrary to law).
Because anyone who cares a wit about the truth has also has viewed the videotape of Senator Sanders' appearance at the National Walk Out Day demonstration in D.C, we all know, or should know that it is factually accurate to say:
1) Senator Sanders was cheered by a substantial percentage of the students attending that rally;
2) Senator Sanders DID NOT "bring his own bullhorn" but was handed a bullhorn by some attendee
at the rally so that he could be heard; and,
3) Senator Sanders DID NOT "barge onto the stage," nor intentionally interrupt Congresswoman Etsy,
but rather came out to the demonstration after he had just finished a speech on the floor of the
States Senate praising the students across the nation who were participating in National Walk
Out Day.
With these FACTS at hand, hundreds of Bernie-hating ADULTS swarmed not only Ms. Levitan's Twitter comment with replies, but posted on every popular Democratic message board in the country, repeating the same anti-Bernie spin we have been seeing for longer than any of us can remember AND claimed that they were just repeating the views of Ms. Levitan (apparently convinced that she had not done so effectively enough on her own and they needed to "adultsplain" what happened).
There are people in this country who: (1) cannot get past their indignity over the fact that Sanders has the temerity to hold views which differ from their own; (2) still want to blame the person who was not on the ballot for our loss in 2016; and/or, (3) strongly adhere to the political philosophy (which I submit is a failed political philosophy) that elections cannot be won without attracting white center-right suburban voters and that having Sanders, or anyone espousing similar views, as a main spokesperson in opposition to the greatest threat to this nation since the Confederacy (yes, I mean Trump and his minions) . . . and much more so having him, or anyone espousing similar views, as the 2020 Democratic nominee for President of the United States . . . will snatch defeat from what should be victory in the 2020 presidential election.
Those people are terrified by what they saw on the 14th. A sizeable portion (regardless of whether it was a majority or a minority) of a group of the next generation of voters who have come together the speak out against the insane gun culture and in favor of preserving the lives of their classmates -- one of the biggest reasons THEY claim Senator Sanders is not pure enough to be a Democratic ally -- so inspired and excited by his mere presence that they made their own choice to turn to him to hear him speak. They are every bit as terrified as when theretofore admired leaders of the woman's movement rejected THEIR claim that Sanders desire to lead is motivated by patriarchal egotism or simple misogyny and were going to allow him to speak at one of the biggest women's conferences in the country. In both instances, their tactics were the same . . . attack those who dare not to hate Sanders and drown out their voices of calm and reason with the frenzied mantras they are spouting. Whether it be Brenna Levitan or Tamika Mallory, anything less than total devotion to the full panoply of Bernie hate, get either shunning (as in Ms. Mallory's case) or "adultsplaining" (as in Ms. Levitan's case).
Let no one be fooled, however, these people do not speak for all Democrats. They do not speak for all persons who wish to put an end to the gun culture. They do not speak for all of the next generation of voters. They do not speak for all women. AND their demands for purity, their demands that EVERYONE take sides, are hurting our party.
Thanks for some sanity.
LexVegas
(6,048 posts)GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)I described that increasingly small group of Democrats who adhere to the belief that an actual liberal cannot win the presidency and, accordingly, it is their duty as "loyal Democrats" to villainize "the left's" most prominent spokesman with the divisive BS tactics we see carried out by the adult Sanders-haters replying to Ms. Levitan's tweet.
But . . . HEY . . . nice diversion
LexVegas
(6,048 posts)GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)to someone who oversees the torture and killing of incompetent inmates, BUT prominence is largely a function of exposure, media or otherwise, and I am pretty sure I have read right here on our pages about how Sanders is sucking up all the press "air" and our other leaders aren't being heard.
stranger81
(2,345 posts)Asking for a friend.
LexVegas
(6,048 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)We need someone else. A different, better man.
It's not just that I could never trust Sanders to behave honorably or wisely and not just that I could never forgive him for his betrayals, it's that he will never be the right man for good people to support.
We need leaders who are honorable and competent, not just charismatic. There are many others. Sanders' avowed agenda was not too far left for me. I'm very interested in who steps up next.
Strong progressive liberal here.
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)Espousing right wing talking points?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)It may be because my causes these days are real BIG ones: liberalism and its child, our democratic republican form of government. They are both under attack from within and without our nation.
I don't subordinate existential threats to the short list of tunnel-vision issues Sanders uses to arouse populist resentments and delude idealistic types into believing they can have have everything tomorrow. His left-wing version of Trump's "Only I can do it" never deluded me into not noticing a record completely empty of big achievements.
Those drawn to promises of a better America need a better choice, one who can do it, if not tomorrow to at least put us strongly on the road to it. The populists need the calming down that good leadership and reassurance that it's doing to be okay will give them. Rabble-rousing "sick-and-tired" rhetoric with no go only serves our enemies.
You know, Sanders first drew me by promising to attack incomemal distribution--a huge threat that must be vanquished, and what happened to that? And where was his leadership all through 2017 while his followers on DU were reduced to arguing over the need to repeal the dreadful ACA? Where was the leadership?
There are so many real doers out there. It's way past time this movement finally had a wise leader who can realize the dreams.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Magnitsky. Not with profiting from toxic dumping in Latino communitiy of Sierra Blanca Tx.
Definately NOT Progressive and Hardly Liberal.
'Strong' is not the word I would use either.
He is truly just an Independent.
What exactly that means as to Liberal or Progressive, who knows ..
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)by our fellow DU member to describe themselves. Given that voting with all but one Republican to scuttle Obama's landmark Iran nuclear deal (you know, voting for Magnitsky) seems to fit your definition of progressive, you might agree.
Me.
(35,454 posts)who like Comrade Trump refuses to release his tax returns
George II
(67,782 posts)How do you know they're adults?
The fact is he wasn't invited and the ORGANIZERS were not happy that he essentially crashed their anti-gun event (equipped with his own bullhorn) and accompanied by two armed guards.
Where I come from (I was born in the same Brooklyn neighborhood as Senator Sanders and only 4-5 years after he was, we're the same generation) that is called chutzpah.
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...."all those that are attacking us for having him at the event" that she mentioned in her tweet in the OP, not the responses to THAT tweet in the OP.
Apparently there were a number of complaints prior to her tweet in the OP about them having him at the event.
sheshe2
(83,710 posts)I asked you as well. No clear response from you. None that answered the question.
GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)That all these attempts at diversion will not erase my initial reply.
Beginning with the student leader's original tweet directed towards all those attacking THE STUDENTS for "inviting" Sanders (an incorrect assumption, but obviously one which enraged the group of Sanders haters who have spent years spreading the b.s. meme that Sanders is appreciably weaker on gun control than the rest of the Democratic caucus) one needs only go to her Twitter feed and click on each reply to her "Sanders was not invited" tweet. Once there, click on the replying tweeter's name. This will take you to the top of the replying tweeter's feed. There you will find various identifying information. Do that, read a few tweets, and SURPRISE the replies trying to expand the originally accurate tweet from a student leader into a droning repetition of the same b.s. character attacks on Sanders we have suffered through for YEARS all come from ADULT BERNIE HATERS.
Hijacking a student tweet to promote bitter adults' divisive agenda?
Not what grownups do.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)well said, thank you..