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peggysue2

(10,823 posts)
Thu Mar 22, 2018, 03:53 PM Mar 2018

Coal Country Appears to Reconsider It's Political Futures

After being fed a steady diet of fairytales from the Trumpster--how he was going to bring back King Coal to tis glory days--the US Miners' Union is throwing its support and endorsement to two Dems for the 2018 election. Joe Manchin and Richard Ojeda get the nod for WVa's Senate and House spots respectively because the Union feels the two men will fight for those issues important to the coal mining community, as in protecting pensions and (I've read elsewhere) healthcare. There's been an uptick in Back Lung disease. So yeah, healthcare and decent benefits are important, life and death matters.The Union decided the Democrats are more likely to protect those benefits.

Plus, the GOP not immediately batting down a possible run by Blankenship, former Murray Mining CEO, a man who served a year in Federal Prison for gross negligence (willfully violated mining safety regulations) that led to the deaths of 29 miners is beyond disgusting.

People remember.

Ojeda has an interesting position on coal, well said and reasonable. He said he is for increased coal mining particularly for feeding steel furnaces but he also supports biofuels, wind and solar, energy sources of the future. The position reminds me of how Lamb thread the needle in PA and won.

Details can be read here:


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-coal-endorsements-exclus/exclusive-u-s-miners-union-to-endorse-two-more-democrats-in-coal-country-idUSKBN1GY1YM

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Coal Country Appears to Reconsider It's Political Futures (Original Post) peggysue2 Mar 2018 OP
Massey Energy CEO Staph Mar 2018 #1
Oops! peggysue2 Mar 2018 #4
Finally we see some voting for self - interest which should signal the doom of Republicans...they Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #8
The Blankenship run is salt in the wound, a twist of the knife ProudLib72 Mar 2018 #2
I couldn't believe it either peggysue2 Mar 2018 #5
I really like Ojeda and I think he will win. Luciferous Mar 2018 #3
Don't know a whole lot about Ojeda yet peggysue2 Mar 2018 #6
That is exactly what Hilllary mercuryblues Mar 2018 #10
Yes! peggysue2 Mar 2018 #11
I find it interesting mercuryblues Mar 2018 #13
That, too peggysue2 Mar 2018 #16
"Appears To" the key phrase here . . . hatrack Mar 2018 #7
Yep. peggysue2 Mar 2018 #9
Wake up America! oasis Mar 2018 #12
Coal is a dying industry... Wounded Bear Mar 2018 #14
Well they call it "fossil fuels" for a reason! Initech Mar 2018 #15

Staph

(6,251 posts)
1. Massey Energy CEO
Thu Mar 22, 2018, 10:06 PM
Mar 2018

Murray Energy CEO is Robert Murray, the guy that unsuccessfully sued John Oliver.

I know, I know, it's hard to keep all of these slime-bucket coal barons straight!




Demsrule86

(68,471 posts)
8. Finally we see some voting for self - interest which should signal the doom of Republicans...they
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 07:43 AM
Mar 2018

don't care about the 'little people' and are most interested in lining their pockets.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
2. The Blankenship run is salt in the wound, a twist of the knife
Thu Mar 22, 2018, 10:09 PM
Mar 2018

I couldn't believe it when I heard he was actually going to run. I'm glad these people have finally come to their senses (at least for now).

peggysue2

(10,823 posts)
5. I couldn't believe it either
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 07:18 AM
Mar 2018

What it says to me is that the GOP has learned absolutely nothing from the disaster we're living under the Trumpster. The Republican politicos are only concerned about his electability, not the character of the man or his suitability in office.

Ugh.

peggysue2

(10,823 posts)
6. Don't know a whole lot about Ojeda yet
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 07:27 AM
Mar 2018

But his comment about supporting coal while also supporting renewables of the future impressed me. It's a far cry from the cruel fantasy of telling these mining communities that King Coal will be restored. That's simply not going to happen. We owe these communities their own shot for the future with retraining programs and revitalization because for decades they broke their backs and sacrificed their health to keep the lights on across the country. That being said, pretending we'll return to a past that no longer exists is just wrong as wrong can be.

mercuryblues

(14,525 posts)
10. That is exactly what Hilllary
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 08:03 AM
Mar 2018

offered them. She was going to push for solar manufacturers to open factories there. They voted for the guy who promised to take away their healthcare and somehow bring back their jobs. He never said how he was going to make people start burning coal to heat their homes again.

peggysue2

(10,823 posts)
11. Yes!
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 09:20 AM
Mar 2018

Hillary told them the truth. Trump and right-wing, Fox fabulists told them a fairytale. But lost/pinched pensions and reduced healthcare access are a clear warning siren, enough to wake up even the deep sleeper, particularly if you or your loved ones are suffering the physical agony of Black Lung or the myriad of mining-related ailments. Trump couldn't explain how he would bring back King Coal because he never had a plan. About anything. Those speeches were tailored made for each audience to seduce, persuade, bamboozle. The man was a fraud on the campaign trail and he's a fraud now.

My older son recently drove cross country, a job-related thing. But he said the only thing he could get on the car radio was right-wing trash talk and super-max Christian stations. A good portion of our fellow Americans are being fed propaganda on a daily basis. That makes your perspective ripe for carnival barker techniques, glib, empty promises and a bucket of wooden nickels.

I blame the Trumpster, Republican enablers, the hypocritical, venal Evangelical leadership and the plutocrats they rode in on, more than the struggling working class. The latter can be turned around slowly but surely. The former deserve political annihilation.

mercuryblues

(14,525 posts)
13. I find it interesting
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 09:50 AM
Mar 2018

that they are listening to the exact same message from a man's mouth and backing it.

trump's penchant for lying was well known and they chose to believe him. They never asked for specifics on how he was going to accomplish anything.

It was also well known that he did not care for the workers by the fact he stiffed them every chance he got. Hell, trump cut his own disabled nephew off from healthcare out of shear spite. What made them think he wouldn't do the same to them? On the other hand, Clinton worked hard to get healthcare coverage for kids in Arkansas, Schip, 9/11 rescue workers and her failed attempt for universal coverage. They called her the liar and voted for trump, a known liar.


peggysue2

(10,823 posts)
16. That, too
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 10:16 AM
Mar 2018

Mercury blues said:

they are listening to the exact same message from a man's mouth and backing it.

There's no doubt sexism had it's time-honored and ugly role to play in 2016. If you recall Chelsea Clinton said as much and was excoriated for the comment. You hear this sort of nonsense in conservative evangelical speeches--women should know their place, should be subservient to their husbands and men in general. Hillary has always been a lightening rod for these twisted, antiquated views because she's a strong, intelligent professional who has refused to 'bend the knee.'

She told this constituency the truth but they turned deaf ears in favor of the fantasy that the Trumpsters and the GOP were more than eager to provide.

So, we agree. Makes me sad every time I think hard on it.

Such a lost opportunity. For everyone.

hatrack

(59,578 posts)
7. "Appears To" the key phrase here . . .
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 07:36 AM
Mar 2018

I'm sure Coal-Rollin' Abortion-Hatin' Prosperity Jeezus will whip them back into line before the general election.

peggysue2

(10,823 posts)
9. Yep.
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 07:55 AM
Mar 2018

There's always that, too. But the Union's endorsement is a glimmer of light, a possible recognition that the Democratic Party offers these working communities a path forward. The pension and healthcare factors alone have realtime consequences. From what I've read this uptick in Black Lung is being diagnosed in younger men now. Which calls into question the safety regulations and mining processes these owners may be violating in order to turn a profit in a shrinking market. The mining interest/owners love to blame environmental tree-huggers for their bottom line losses but in truth, degradation of the environment with mountain top removal techniques only adds to the health risks to surrounding communities.

But you're right, those wedge/social issues have a powerful draw and are always whipped up for election purposes.

We shall see.

Wounded Bear

(58,604 posts)
14. Coal is a dying industry...
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 09:55 AM
Mar 2018

the big (should I say real? ) question is about what to do about the displaced miners.

Typically Repubs say, "Tough shit. Go find another job, or go die quietly where I don't have to look at you or spend any money on you. Oh, and BTW, I want that pension money back."

Dems typically want to provide medical care, protect the pensions, and assist people in finding new jobs, assuming they are capable of working after a career in the mines.

The choice is pretty clear to me.

Initech

(100,041 posts)
15. Well they call it "fossil fuels" for a reason!
Fri Mar 23, 2018, 09:58 AM
Mar 2018

And that reason is - these companies are run by fossils!

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