Remember when all those JPR folks...

[SHRED]

...claimed Hillary was much more of a war hawk than tRump?

Trump's record drone kills and now Bolton says they are completely full of shit.

[Hoyt]

1. Hard to forget those JPR folks, and their lies and bashing of candidate that could have prevented

this crud.

Bolton is just about the worst person I can imagine -- he's a racist, warmonger, tool of the Ruskies, and has an NRA position that is charged with spreading guns worldwide.

[TheBlackAdder]

36. Just Putin's Russia?

[Hermit-The-Prog]

39. Jefferson Public Radio?

I found JPR decorative gravel, JPR manufacturing, Jefferson Public Radio, J Public Relations, Journal of Proteome Research, and JPR garage doors.

Somehow I don't think any of those are the target of this thread, but I give up.

[Ligyron]

40. Jack Pine Radical

...just in case you weren't kidding.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

49. thanks!

Still don't know what it is, but it's a trail to follow.

[MicaelS]

61. Save your time.

It's a cesspit.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

74. found it

When searching 'JPR' on duckduckgo, it didn't show up in several screens of hits (went through a couple hundred, at least). Searching 'DU' on the other hand got this place by the 19th hit.

JPR has a familiar look to the front page. Skimming the comments it looks like many are interested in 'primarying' Democrats. Sounds like the left's version of tea baggers. Is arithmetic that hard now?

[TheBlackAdder]

71. I was. I like Just Putin's Republicans, with a slogan of, "Bought and Bossed!"

[NCTraveler]

2. Just visited that place.

They are truly nuts. I recognize a lot of the names. What’s the deal with their adoration of Putin? I guarantee they were targets of CA. I have never seen a group so impacted by fake news. They are clearly avid readers and most appear to have a good education. They are also clearly succeptable to conspiracy theories and completely opposed to reality.

[bettyellen]

4. Some of them had to be paid trolls they spent so much time and energy here...

[sheshe2]

20. A few names come to mind.

Hmmm. They are gone but not forgotten.

[GulfCoast66]

21. News flash...they are not all gone.

[sheshe2]

27. Oh yeah, I am well aware of that GulfCoast.

Sad isn't it.

[R B Garr]

30. +1, and we are seeing the spam to prove it.

Started with anti-Biden spam, then the Democrats/corruption spam.

[GulfCoast66]

73. All threats to the anointed one must be destroyed

[Trust Buster]

3. Be very careful. I was already jumped on in another thread for saying essentially the same thing.

[NCTraveler]

6. Jumped on by calling out people...

At a site that had numerous members advocating for the death of Clinton? Lol. Don’t worry about being careful. Call them the scum that they are.

[Trust Buster]

7. I posted that it was a good thing that a warmonger like Hillary wasnt elected.

The sarcasm was insinuated but not for some.

[NCTraveler]

8. .

Always helps.

[Whiskeytide]

12. Someone once posted here that the ...

... Sarcasm thingy is an affront to sarcasm. Some here really need to always ask themselves if the post they are replying to could be sarcasm before they hit “post my reply”.

[NCTraveler]

14. Lots of posters.

Not all of us read at the same level.

It’s always good to be clear with your audience.

No big deal either way.

[WheelWalker]

44. If I can't believe what someone says, how can I believe what they don't say?

[betsuni]

5. It was Obama-drones Obama-drones, then Hillary-warmonger Hillary-warmonger.

Even though Trump's drone kills are higher in number now than for all of Obama's eight years, silence. Never see anybody bring up drones. And now Bolton...

[ismnotwasm]

9. Yes

People like them own this disaster

[Wellstone ruled]

10. Hmmmm.

Ken is rolling in his grave. So is Bill.

[NCTraveler]

11. What is their disgust with Maddow? They are obsessed? Nt

[JI7]

17. Because of her reporting on russia hack

[R B Garr]

31. Facts about Russia are off limits. Only the two-year old conspiracies

about Hillary/Democrats are permitted. It's a closed system.

[Mr.Bill]

41. The fact that she is a woman

is enough for many of them.

[emulatorloo]

47. Because of her tough reporting on Trump/Russia. They dont like that

They like to pretend there is “no evidence” of Russian interference.

[RhodeIslandOne]

50. Anyone who doesn't trot out Jill Stein every night to comment....

....is on their shit list.

[NanceGreggs]

13. JPR is a classic example ...

... of how easily-manipulated people are easily manipulated.

They bragged endlessly about how they were "independent thinkers" who refused to be sheep - and then immediately followed every Judas goat that showed up on their site.

From PizzaGate to Hillary's imminent demise from a dozen fatal illnesses, they swallowed every ridiculous story hook, line, and sinker. There was literally no "fake news" story too ridiculous, too ludicrous, too over-the-top that they didn't embrace as "alternate facts" worth believing.

JPR was overrun with RWers from day one, who were later no doubt joined by Russian bots - because who could resist an audience so willing - even anxious - to be misled?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. They believed PizzaGate ???

[NanceGreggs]

22. The JPR admins ...

... eventually came out and stated that PizzaGate posts would be removed after people on other sites started pointing and laughing at JPR.

I don't read Discussionist, but I understand from people who post there that the JPR folks simply moved their PizzaGate discussions to that site.

Surely it doesn't surprise you that they swallowed that story whole - JPR was full of posts about how HRC was walking around in a full body-brace (due to her many illnesses). The day she fell ill during a parade in NYC, they insisted that metal bolts clattered to the ground as she was escorted to a car, and she was then rushed to a "secret hospital" located in Chelsea's apartment building.

Like I said, there was NO story too ludicrous to be dismissed.

[mcar]

24. They also believe HRC has MS or some other neurological disorder

Because she got pneumonia once or something.

[betsuni]

33. I recently saw a thread about how Hillary murdered Seth Rich.

Although one poster admitted that Hillary probably didn't actually pull the trigger. That was nice!

[peggysue2]

45. That myth hasn't died

On any particular day and/or unpleasant PR disaster, the story gets whipped onto the highway like a dutiful zombie.

Sadly, Seth Rich has become a class A whataboutism exhibit in a shameless propaganda war.

[RhodeIslandOne]

54. Seth's family is suing FAUX Snooze

They must have been "bought off" I'm sure according to the Jack Ass Reprobates.

[Mr.Bill]

42. Many still do.

I prowl some conservative websites where they are still obsessed with it.

[emulatorloo]

48. They believe any right-wing conspiracy on offer.

[Gothmog]

76. At one pont there five or six pizzagate threads on the greatest page

That site is full of Russian trolls and putin supporters

[Ilsa]

26. I'm betting there were probably a bunch of russian

Trolls and bots there as well to spread lies and ramp up the anti-Hillary sentiment.

[NanceGreggs]

34. Of course.

JPR was launched (allegedly) as a pro-Bernie site - but its main purpose was being an anti-HRC site.

So naturally, RWers and Russian bots were attracted to it immediately as a place where easily-led people could be manipulated into believing anything negative about Hillary - and I do mean anything.

[R B Garr]

28. Yup. I go there once in a while to read the opposite world looney arguments,

and I literally have to click out because they are so completely ignorant. Conspiracy theorists galore, so ignorant that it isn't even laughable anymore, just dangerously sad.

And then there are the JPR returnees....

[Willie Pep]

72. JPR was almost indistinguishable from Breitbart in 2016.

People were posting conspiracy theories from Alex Jones and other right-wing cranks. The sad thing is I actually think some of these people are actual left-wingers because I have seen similar stuff posted on Truthdig, AlterNet and other left-wing sites.

The last election proved just how incapable many people are when it comes to critical thinking, including, as you point out, many "independent thinkers." There is also this weird phenomenon of hating all politicians unless they perfectly align with all of your views. If we only voted for perfect politicians then we will be waiting until the end of the world to vote. I wonder how so many people developed such an unrealistic view of politics.

[cwydro]

15. I couldnt care less about those people.

They made their loyalties clear.

Let them rot in their own stink.

No idea why the obsession with them here. Ugh.

[emulatorloo]

68. A thread now and again is hardly an obsession.

DU’ers talk about FreeRepublic from time to time as well. We aren’t “obsessed” with either site.

JPR is still of interest here, given their reign of terror here at Du, and the bullying of our membership as they happily spread rightwing propaganda against Dems, while admins sat idly by and let it happen. It is a part of our history.

[LanternWaste]

81. Less obsession and more bemusement.

Less obsession and more bemusement.

[herding cats]

16. Oh, they came right back to the front of my mind when the Bolton announcement was made.

They were either fools or agents involved in setting up this whole scenario.

Either way, I hope they can live with the blood on their hands.

[ellie]

18. They're full of

shit.

[mcar]

23. Oh yeah

I will never forget.

[R B Garr]

25. There is one JPR returnee who literally said that Trump and Stein

were the "peace candidates" and was actively encouraging others not to vote for Hillary. Anyone, anywhere who spread those absolute pathetic lies is truly contemptible.

[still_one]

29. add Jill Stein, Susan Sarandon to that list, along with those other self-identifed progressives who

refused to vote for the Democratic nominee.

I would speculate that the majority of them have no regrets about their actions, and that is truly obscene

[Gothmog]

32. The JPR site is full of fake news from russian sources

I go to that site to see what Russia is pushing this week.

[SidDithers]

35. Fuck em...

Especially those who have snuck back in.

Sid

[Gore1FL]

38. Good party-building skills you have!

Anyone else you'd like to cast off before '18 or '20?

[SidDithers]

55. ...

Sid

[mcar]

62. Uh huh

[Gore1FL]

64. I hope win despite you and your divisive incivility and grave dancing for a long-gone long-time DUer

But if you insist on 2016 being like 2018, then please, let's avoid each other. I prefer a democratic victory.


Who needs Russians when we have you?

[fleabiscuit]

57. Barnacles have to be scraped off. nt

[mcar]

63. "Cast off?"

Anyone who voted 3rd party or write in, in 2016, or who continues to cast HRC, her supporters and the Democratic party as bad, wrong, etc, cast off reality a long time ago.

[ismnotwasm]

52. Yeah. There are a few that are particularly disingenuous

Oh well. At least that fucked up Mannie whatshisname is nuked

[emulatorloo]

70. Ah, the attack-from-the-left Rove troll who fell in love with his persona.

Never attacked Republicans, always provided them cover by blaming Democrats for what Republicans were doing.

Was counting his naive fan base to make him “too big to fail” here at DU. Eventually admins finally got sick of his manipulative bullshit

[Gore1FL]

37. As someone with an account on JPR and therefore in the "all those JPR folks" set

I don't recall saying that. No.

[fleabiscuit]

58. Use the same handle? nt

[Gore1FL]

66. Yes. nt

[Jim Lane]

59. Shhhhh..... Let the children have their fun.

This is just my personal decision, but I'm trying to cut way back on the effort I put into refuting bullshit on DU about JPR and bullshit on JPR about DU. It can be a real time sink.

Each site has some people who relieve the stresses of modern life by courageously engaging in flame wars with absent opponents. My attitude now is that everyone should have a hobby.

[Gore1FL]

67. Thank you. I shall take your advice.

I figured this would die down after a couple of months and we'd look to the future and not the past. I hope the real-life efforts of 2018 are better that what I see online.

[Snotcicles]

79. He who does not fill his world with phantoms remains alone. Antonio Porchia. nt

[Jim Lane]

83. Wow, that's very apropos here.

My first reaction was to say that Porchia was being too cynical.

Upon reflection, I'm not so sure.

[Snotcicles]

84. OT but here are few more of his I like

Certainties are arrived at only on foot.

Don’t uncover, because there might be nothing. And nothing can’t be covered again.

The condemnation of an error is another error.

[Jim Lane]

86. I definitely disagree with that last one.

"The condemnation of an error is another error."

I think Aristotle had it right: "[T]o say of what is that it is, and of what is not that it is not, is true."

Condemning an error is sometimes an error but merely a tactical one, and it's often the right thing to do.

[Snotcicles]

87. I look at "Condemnation", as more like Punishment. And "Error", as more like Mistake.

And maybe no so absolute.

[disillusioned73]

85. Never heard that quote..

wow.. perfection

[ProfessorGAC]

77. I Read There

Don't post there. I would have to say that i don't share your positive view. Certainly not universal, but a lot of simplistic silliness dressed up in pseudo intellectualism.

One can twist one's self into quite the pretzel to justify any position, and there's an awful lot of that over there in a ridiculous quixotic effort to change everything in their image in one fell swoop. Not a smart target.

[Gore1FL]

78. I gotta be honest. Many if not all of those same criticisms apply to DU.

User bases are not homogeneous. I could go to JPR or DU and come away with quotes to use to denigrate either site.

(The perpetual stream of) threads like this only creates further division. Who needs Russian bots when we do it to ourselves?

[Amimnoch]

43. JPR? Just Plotting Russians? - nt.

[Tarc]

46. Oh, the Jackpines, the opposite side of the alt-right coin

Gone and quite certainly forgotten.

[Hekate]

51. I remember that and much more. Wonder how many have shuffled back in...

[Cary]

56. I too say they are full of shit

[Cha]

60. Yeah, I've known for a LONG

time how Completely Full of Shite they are.

[fleabiscuit]

65. That paints an unfair picture of shite.

Cha!

[Cha]

69. Right, shite

is better. lol and less dangerous.

flea!

[Blue_Tires]

75. That wasn't even just the JPR people

Dozens of liberal pundits in the media said the same, and more than a few DUers (who are still here) were spewing this shit, too...

(and no I am not naming names)

[LexVegas]

80. Who the fuck do those idiots support over there?

[oberliner]

82. Maureen Dowd also

Donald the Dove, Hillary the Hawk
Maureen Dowd

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/01/opinion/sunday/donald-the-dove-hillary-the-hawk.html