About those 4 senators with A ratings from the NRA...They are:

[Stuart G]

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Sens. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.), Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.), Jon Tester (D-Mont.) and Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.)..

Progressive liberals will not win in those states. Do you want the above, who vote with the rest of the Democrats on almost all social issues. (not gun issues, obviously)...or do you want republicans. It is simple and very clear.
Tester is running for re-election.. How about a republican instead?..A liberal will not win in Montana....
Tester is now the senator...let's keep him. Yes, he ain't perfect on issues. On most key votes, he votes D..

Do you want a R instead?..Do you want a chance to take over the senate?.

.......Fuck the NRA ratings....if we take back the senate...then we really do hurt McConnell .and I would like to see him lose his position as majority leader. Wouldn't you?

The way McConnell treated Obama is unspeakable...If we can take him down, that will be worth it.

What is your point of view on this.? I gave you mine. What do you think?

[bearsfootball516]

1. In red states, sometimes you have to run blue dogs

I've spent most of my life in Indiana and Donnelly is a great senator. He mostly votes Democratic, and does what he has to do to stay popular in a red state.

[Stuart G]

5. You are correct... I am for keeping him no matter what..

Did I miss something?........Is that asshole Pence from Indiana?...think about it..be honest if you can.

[bearsfootball516]

8. He very much is. Was actually fairly unpopular here.

Indiana is a red state, but even he was too far-right for a lot of people here.

[Ferrets are Cool]

2. "who vote with the rest of the Democrats on almost all social issues. "

Do they? How would I find out?

[Stuart G]

6. Yes they do ...you can check votes out by going to the Congressional Record...or google the senators

There votes are not private..What someone votes on a subject in the senate is indeed public.

[orleans]

22. vote smart will help; link:

https://votesmart.org/

[yardwork]

28. The point is to regain a Democratic majority in Congress.

Then the Democrats control what bills come up for a vote in the first place.

[Demsrule86]

33. They do. And without them, we have no hope a majority...and Manchin

has come out for single payer. too None of them voted to kill the ACA...consider what Republicans in their place would have done.

[Adrahil]

3. Donnelly spoke at the MFOL in Indy today.

He was well received. Todd Young (the junior Senator) was not present.

[underpants]

4. Agreed. We should put candidates on the ballot (every ballot) who reflect the community

and have any chance of winning.

The point is twofold:
Numbers -in 2006we run Blue Dogs and shredded the GOP
We don’t have Dogma - there is no litmus test questions and there shouldn’t be.

BTW - Abigail Spanberger- look her up.

[flamin lib]

7. I don't get to vote for any of them but if I did I'd support a primary challenge

which would lose but send a wake up call. If no primary challenge I'd call them at each and every one of their offices and email them at every office and just tie up their phone lines and fill up their email inboxes. That's what gunners do. We have to do it too.

[Staph]

17. Joe Manchin is getting a primary challenge from Paula Jean Swearengin.

I'm sure that she's a lovely person, but she doesn't have a ghost of a chance of winning the primary. I'd much rather have Joe than any of his three Republican challengers:

• Evan Jenkins, current congressman from West Virginia's third district, who votes the very straight Republican line -- against the ACA, for the tax scam, you get the idea...
  
• Patrick Morrisey, current Attorney General -- who has ties to Cardinal Health, one of the biggest opioid distributers in the US...
  
• Don Blankenship, former CEO of Massey Energy and felon who served a year in federal prison for the deaths of 29 miners in the Upper Big Branch mine disaster -- according to his commercials (that have been running for at least six months), the miners' death are the fault of Obama and the Mine Safety and Health Administration...
  

Now, tell me again why you want to get rid of Joe Manchin?

[flamin lib]

20. I don't want to get rid of Manchin. I want to sway him further to

the left on gun issues. One way of doing that is a primary challenge even if that challenge is a lost cause. It is a message. He will most likely win the primary but take note of the 10 or 20% who voted for change.

Someone said to me that I thought his third party vote was wasted. No, if that third party (Ross Perot) shook up the other two parties enough they would move closer to the 3rd party platform. The vote wasn't lost, it had value.

Can this strategy bite you in the ass? Oh hell yes. Recent events offer eloquent voice to that.

It is a gamble, but then all change is.

[Demsrule86]

35. He can't go left on gun issues or he loses the election...think about it.

If we lose Red state Senators...we will have open carry nationally. I heard Manchin at a Town Hall call for a number of things designed to keep guns out of the hands of bad guys. It is on you tube.

[Demsrule86]

37. I hope she doesn't hurt his chances...more shenanigans from Our Revolution.

[Demsrule86]

34. And then you have no shot at winning for years or getting a majority...what you describe

can best characterized as political suicide.

[hedda_foil]

9. They almost always vote with the party and it's almost impossible for a Dem to be elected otherwise.

I'd sure as hell rather have them than any Republican on the face of the earth.

[Stuart G]

10. Let me add this idea..This is not a game..This could be a major historical event for our country.

If we take back the senate and the house in 7 months, then we have a total check on the President of the United States when it comes to making laws. Further, it will be a total victory for the Democrats. And could change the political climate for years. Our side won in Alabama and in a part of Pennsylvania that we had not won in many years. This is how we are moving. Stay on the side of those who are with us now. Let us not get into a battle that could easily destroy our chances to take back the senate and the house...

[Demsrule86]

38. And he get no more judges which is huge.

[aikoaiko]

11. Parkland Kids day vote them out.

And almost everyone here seems to love what they say.

[pnwmom]

25. Parkland students live in Florida, where a more progressive candidate can win. nt

[aikoaiko]

27. The Parkland students want to vote out all legislators

...who take NRA money.

Our legislators too.

If you don’t see that then you haven’t been listening to them.

[Demsrule86]

39. Well if both are pro - gun then I think those kids will be smart enough to consider that red state

Democrats need to get elected so gun reform can happen...we can bring nothing to the floor without a majority and we won't have a majority without red state Democrats.

[Glorfindel]

12. I agree with you 1,000%.

The worst Democrat is better than the best Repuke.

[Stuart G]

13. Here is an example...ok..Bill Nelson the Democrat from Florida...is running

against Rick Scott. All of us need to support Nelson no matter what. Scott is going to have incredible amounts of money from his rich supporters in Florida and elsewhere. There is no choice. Rick Scott defines "evil"..

What are we going to do?...argue with each other, or support Nelson and destroy Rick Scott?

[pnwmom]

26. Bill Nelson has an F rating from the NRA.

https://www.nraila.org/campaigns/2012/bill-nelson/

[Blue_true]

21. With democrats, we have a chance that they will support some type

of gun control legislation. With republicans, there is zero chance of that.

BTW: Manchin 100% from NRA after he led an effort on background checks legislation?

[KY_EnviroGuy]

14. Politicians must support the views of their constituents.

In my view, our elected officials should follow these directives and in this order:
1. The Constitution, our laws and their oath of office.
2. The views of their constituents, both majority and minority.
3. Rational research on issues supplied by them and their staff.
4. Their own personal opinions.

Therefore, if these four politicians are not following the dictates of their people regarding gun legislation and other issues, they should be voted out. If they are properly sensitive to their constituency, they should keep their positions.

As we know full well here in KY, McConnell is typical of politicians who believe they should dictate policy to the people, so many of us fully support the Ditch Mitch movement. Unfortunately, we also have a lot of people who love to be instructed on what to believe.

[loyalsister]

15. Too soon

Enabling and supporting theopportunity to own and use tools tused to creaet these horrorible events snd leave behind memories and sense offear our youth areliving with is indefensible.

[Stinky The Clown]

16. Until the laws catch up with the sense of the majority, we have to tolerate these types.

No need to make your argument. Even people like me who favor confiscation and complete ban laws will work to support these people if they help get us closer to a complete ban of all guns.

[OhioBlue]

18. About Manchin - do you remember how shook he was after Sandy Hook?

He tried to find compromise on gun legislation.

[Demsrule86]

40. He has said he is for reform...I think he isn't going to get an "A" much longer.

[ProudLib72]

19. Wasn't there a post about this earlier today or maybe yesterday?

I don't trust the purity pledge crowd. The reality is that, while we are arguing about all sorts of bullshit purity standards, the GOP is getting away with murder, literally murder.

[Rhiannon12866]

23. "The way McConnell treated Obama is unspeakable" That says it all...

[struggle4progress]

24. "Politics is the art of the possible"

We should do what we can do to move forward, even if that means taking one step back for every two steps forward

Let's be as principled as we can be while maintaining a certain pragmatism: we may navigate by the stars but cannot fail to watch the seas through while we sail and the rocky shoals that pass nearby

[Stuart G]

29. Sometimes we forget .....but we have stuggled before and we have won..An example:

In 2007 an Afro-American senator from the State of Illinois declared himself for the office of President of the United States. An articulate, handsome fellow was not given much of a chance, but he won. It is true that many have lost "hope" because of our current situation, but we must keep ourselves looking forward. We must not give hope.

...Yes, we can navigate past the "rocky shoals that pass nearby." We have done so in the past, and will continue to do so.

[WyLoochka]

30. Jon Tester voted for Manchin's background check bill

With the change in attitudes and kids registering in droves so as to drive the agenda on this discussion, one of my faves, Jon Tester of Montana will be delighted to help capitalize on the change in public opinion and vote for: banning/buybacks of assault weapons, instituting a national digitized data base for background checks and so forth.

For Senators from what have become pretty extreme right red states, who did hold the line really well on the ACA, and held tight against all of Paul Ryan's Health bills, against "the wall" and against Stephen Miller's cruel, anti-family immigration policies, and will hold the line on social security, medicare and medicaid to be able to vote for gun reforms they need public opinion to change overwhelmingly so it changes in their states as well. (Trickle over the blue into the red states...)

This is what is happening now. These kids are changing public opinion. They are going to vote in large numbers. This will make voting for common sense gun reforms much easier for Tester, Manchin, Heitkamp, Donnelly. They want to vote for the reforms, but to do so, they need voters in their states to back them up.

Primarying them is a suicide idea that just about guarantees losing the seat. Register new voters and make sure they vote against the Republican challengers for these current Dem Senate seats. Those challengers will be funded by millions from the Koch Bros machine. Tester is their top target.

[Demsrule86]

41. I hope Manchin can survive our revolution's primarying of him...fuck Nina Turn and our revolution...

she said she would support Republicans.

[Iggo]

31. Do they take money from the NRA?

[Stuart G]

32. According to a number of sites...Tester does not take NRA money..

Have not checked out the others ...

[Arazi]

36. As long as Bernies D- is also given a pass since he also represents a hunting state

Psss, he votes with the Dems

[Demsrule86]

42. Not always. What about the Russia sanctions?