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bigtree

(85,974 posts)
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:44 PM Jan 2012

If republicans had run someone better, more reasonable . . .

Man, that convenient, curious rationale sure is catching on fast among recalcitrant Democrats. The comment offered is usually a variant on the above with the admonition that our Democratic President is only in the game for re-election because the republican opposition is nutty, extreme, or racist, etc.. If a more 'normal' or more 'acceptable' republican had run, the President's re-election would be more threatened.

It's true that the republican field is made up of nuts and 'phobes. It's also true that the republican party is comprised of folks who share nutty beliefs and positions. You can certainly single out one or the other and point to some position that they support that you agree with, but, at the heart of their legislative intent and ultimate actions, there is going to be some nutty or extreme position or policy they'll be obliged to support or promote. That's just the state of their nutty and extreme party; their nutty and extreme views; and the fealty to those warped beliefs of their nutty and extreme following.

Still, I have to ask folks who think this is a good retort to the notion that the President stands a pretty good chance of re-election -- Who do you believe is a better or reasonable republican? I haven't ever seen one. I certainly can't name one now who could represent the republican agenda in a presidential campaign and not come off like an extreme nutcase.

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If republicans had run someone better, more reasonable . . . (Original Post) bigtree Jan 2012 OP
but this is Iowa tomorrow. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2012 #1
It's ProSense Jan 2012 #2
once you start campaigning their asses bigtree Jan 2012 #3
Yup. Remember ProSense Jan 2012 #6
This is how I described the 2 totally opposite "Obama Bad" memes. JoePhilly Jan 2012 #8
like Daniels, who was Bush's budget director or Christie, the big mouth WI_DEM Jan 2012 #4
I'd love a campaign against Christie bigtree Jan 2012 #7
those are the two choices? An Arab and a fat guy? provis99 Jan 2012 #11
Someone better, more reasonable?? why would they run a Democrat? rustydog Jan 2012 #5
Huntsman is more reasonable, he gets 1% Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #9
It's the TP fear syndrome Andy823 Jan 2012 #10
They want the President to lose treestar Jan 2012 #12

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
2. It's
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:49 PM
Jan 2012

"Man, that convenient, curious rationale sure is catching on fast among recalcitrant Democrats."

...being pushed like everything else to create the impression that Obama sucks.

Jeb Bush v. Obama: What if?

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Though Governor Bush carries the assets and liabilities associated with the Bush brand, and has of course not run a campaign, he nevertheless runs just as strongly in a general election trial heat as the current Republican field. He trails President Obama by just five points (42%-47%) in the critical 12 Purple States that will determine the election’s outcome.

Governor Bush is well liked among Republicans in these swing states – 49% offer favorable ratings. Importantly, he has the lowest unfavorable number among GOP swing state voters: 26%, which is 9 points lower than Gingrich, and 12 points lower than Romney. Gingrich is the least liked of the three among independent voters (29% favorable, 55% unfavorable).


More: http://www.democraticunderground.com/100241583


bigtree

(85,974 posts)
3. once you start campaigning their asses
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:58 PM
Jan 2012

they revert to their ugly selves.

Campaigns have come a long way in informing the voters about these folks who run. The faults don't just evaporate into distant memory anymore with all of the data sources available to store them and produce them over and over.

It's really the republican agenda and their electorate's cultivated extremes which keeps most republican presidential aspirants down. They're hard to live up to beyond their primaries.

Still, it can't be overlooked that our Democratic party has many, many initiatives and proposals which are in tune with the mainstream of a majority of Americans. That's the hook which advantages our candidates to victory, not just the vacuousness or the repugnance of the republican opposition.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
4. like Daniels, who was Bush's budget director or Christie, the big mouth
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:00 PM
Jan 2012

those are the guys that the MSM were jacking off for--and tell you the truth, I don't think they would be much tougher to beat than this current pack of clowns.

bigtree

(85,974 posts)
7. I'd love a campaign against Christie
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:05 PM
Jan 2012

I strongly agree with you. There isn't a way to put enough lipstick and perfume on whatever pig they choose to run to cover up the shit they're selling.

 

provis99

(13,062 posts)
11. those are the two choices? An Arab and a fat guy?
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:16 PM
Jan 2012

not much better than the loons that are already in play.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
9. Huntsman is more reasonable, he gets 1%
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:42 PM
Jan 2012

The Republican party is broken and this process is beginning to expose that.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
10. It's the TP fear syndrome
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:05 PM
Jan 2012

The right created a "monster" when they started backing the tea party with millions and millions of dollars so they could gain control of the House. It worked, they got the crazies to vote, and they took back the House, or so they thought. Instead of taking "control" of the House again they allowed the bat shit crazies in the tea party to take control. The tea party crowd only had to start making threats of putting up a "challenger" against anyone who didn't want to see things their way, and it worked. Take chicken little Cantor. This clown has had his head so far up the tea party's butt, he doesn't know what is going on in the real world. His goal is to kiss up to the tea party wing of the party, and then get Boehner's job. He will do anything to get where he wants to be, and he doesn't care how much it hurts the country, or the people who live here.

As long as the tea party has any kind of clout at all, only the craziest of the crazies will get elected. Look at how far the clowns running now have to go in order to get approval of the tea party nuts.

The other main issue is that republicans have no clue as to how to fix the mess "THEY" got us into, none at all. They promised that jobs would be the number one priority if they won in 2010, yet not one bill has been passed that creates jobs, but many have that would "kill" jobs. Their plan is always the same. Tax cuts for the rich, de-regulation, and nothing more. They would allow the same things to happen in the future that got us into this mess in the first place. They just have one goal, to cater to corporations and the rich, and the hell with everyone else.

Sadly there are still many who buy into the right wing BS, but I think the majority can see through it, and will show their anger come November. Until they change their agenda, or at least pretend to change it, they are in trouble. I really don't think they want to win in November, at least not the WH. They will be putting their money into trying to keep control of the House, and take back the Senate. If they can do that, and I don't think they will, they can keep on blaming Obama for everything, and do their best to keep the country in financial ruin so the rich can continue take control of "everything" on step at a time until we become a two class system, the rich and everybody else!

treestar

(82,383 posts)
12. They want the President to lose
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:17 PM
Jan 2012

And are lamenting the fact that the Republicans don't have anyone who can beat him.

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