UK nerve agent attack must have been used by the world's most incompetent spy

[Doodley]

Am I the only one who thinks it is strange how we are supposed to believe that a professional assassin working for Vladimir Putin used a nerve agent that would immediately be traced straight back to one man in particular, called Vladimir Putin?

Of all the ways to kill, silence or shoot somebody, or to arrange an accident or a fake suicide, the bumbling secret agent working for Putin chose the one method that meant all roads lead to Putin. Is that really what we are supposed to believe?

[ck4829]

1. Putin is a murderer and his FSB is a terrorist organization

Nobody stopped them when they blew up Ryazan, one of their own cities, back in 1999.

Nobody stopped them when they killed more people than Chechens.

Nobody stopped them when they poisoned Alexander Litvinenko.

Nobody stopped them when they tortured Sergei Magnitsky to death.

Nobody stopped them when all those journalists just happened to catch stray bullets by the dozen.

Nobody stopped them when they blew up that civilian airplane flying over Ukraine.

They got sloppy. Serial killers get too confident, kind of like when the BTK killer sent a taunt to police but he forgot to delete his name from the Word document file information section. This is Putin’s BTK moment.

[peggysue2]

20. An Act of an Arrogant Spy

Putin would fit into that bracket. The footprint was a warning to Russian defectors and Allies alike: we can do anything we want--poison our enemies, turn elections and referendums, create chaos and fear.

Until we put a firm brake on Russia's excesses, they will continue. The Trumpster is being dragged, kicking and screaming in that direction, signing off on sanctions, expelling diplomats, placing the blame where it belongs, etc. because he's compromised and has an obvious man-crush on tyrants, particularly Putin.

The nerve gas was a clear warning. We should accept it as such and act accordingly. Putin is not a friend nor admirer of Western democracies.

[Doodley]

23. Why should we accept it? Where is the evidence. Colin Powell holding a vial of liquid

arguing to the world that Iraq has anthrax - did we believe that? How many times do we have to be fooled before we become skeptical of what we are told. Putin may not be a nice guy, but do not doubt that there are dark forces on our side too.

[peggysue2]

26. Putin is a thug

Who needs no apologists or defenders. He's murdered before both inside and outside his own country.

Sorry, whataboutism just doesn't cut it.

[Doodley]

36. I am actually looking for evidence. He's a bad guy, therefore he did it, isn't evidence.

[atreides1]

31. Actually

Powell was holding a vial of powder, not liquid!

From what I've read, you seem to have some personal animosity against the UK and its government...that hardly makes you unbiased!

And Putin isn't Colin Powell...one key difference is that Putin is a man who will kill without regard or regret...he was KGB before he was FSB!

As for me personally, I grew up in a time when the Russians were considered an enemy, they were the enemy when I served in the US Army, and nothing that Russia has done has changed my mind about them being an enemy, still!

So you'll pardon me if I still consider Russia to the enemy of the United States!!!

[Doodley]

35. Don't attack the person behind a post, attack the content, okay.

[mythology]

44. There's no substance to your post

It's nonsense and is rightfully dismissed as such. You might as well claim Martians did it.

[Doodley]

38. You can choose to believe the right-wing British government. I'm actually on the left.

[Doodley]

25. You don't think the West kill people too?

[tazkcmo]

28. I've heard this arguement some where before...

[Doodley]

42. I knew that one day I would find something that I agreed with Trump on, but this isn't it. I do

not make excuses for Russia, like Trump. I condemn Putin, but I am just saying that the UK government has not produced proof and cannot be trusted. This has been very convenient for Theresa May, and Britain is a nation that despises Donald Trump. This does not work well for Trump who is obviously beholden to Putin for whatever reason.

[njhoneybadger]

2. Because Putin planned it that way. Nobody leaves a trail on purpose unless they want

you to follow it. Hello I'm Vald, I can kill you and I have America's President by the balls, have
a nice day.

[unblock]

5. Exactly. The point of using nerve agent is to let others know you're capable of this.

[Doodley]

11. Good answer. Yes, I see that.

[ret5hd]

3. You're so transparent I can read my cellphone bill thru you.

[blake2012]

9. Lol

[lapfog_1]

4. no, it was intentional

it was a not so subtle signal to all of those who might be under pressure to tell what they know about Russian operations to clam up or they ( and their children ) would suffer the same fate.

If I had to speculate this was all for the benefit of one Paul Manafort. He has two daughters and is facing "life" in prison if he doesn't cooperate... Putin wanted him to know what he faces if he DOES cooperate.

Putin WANTED everyone to know it was him.

[Doodley]

7. Good answer. Yes, I see that.

[EX500rider]

6. Not much stupider then the FSB using polonium to kill Alexander Litvinenko

Which was also traced right back to Russia.

[Doodley]

24. How about the death of Dr. David Kelly?

[EX500rider]

27. What about it?

Cause of death: Presumed suicide: haemorrhage from incised wounds of the left wrist, in combination with coproxamol ingestion and coronary artery atherosclerosis

[Doodley]

37. That is the official version of events, but there are a lot of unanswered questions.

[blake2012]

8. Actually, read more on the subject. It is perfect plausible deniability for Putin

Even if the preponderance of Western nations have reason to believe this type of chem weapon originated from sophisticated Russian lab, there is still not even proof Russia has other formulated these types of nerve agents.

Nonetheless, I do tend to believe the British and others have other information about the culprit (s) and/or their accomplices to pin this in Russia.

It could very well be that the additional evidence they have pointing to Russia would reveal sensitive sources and methods were they to become public.

In other words, expect our corrupt, compromised, and bumbling sex addicted prez to reveal them to the the Russians soon.

[Doodley]

12. Why can the UK government be trusted? They have a history of producing fake

intelligence - the dodgy Iraq dossier, for example, that was largely lifted from a student thesis. The "sexed-up" official Iraq WMD dossier that was edited by Tony Blair's spin doctor. Theresa May, who has been fighting for her political survival, is doing very well out of this.

[blake2012]

14. Thy arent exactly using this to build a case for war

Who says the other nations are trusting Britain? I am sure British intelligence shared their classified information with other nations who have signed on.

Remember, this is a VERY large group of nations who have signed on to expelling diplomats. From Albania to Norway. From Canada to Spain.

I’d say the case is pretty rock solid for that level of unanimity.

[Doodley]

16. Since when has popularity equated to accuracy of information? There was a huge coalition

of nations who participated in the war on Iraq because of the non-existent weapons of mass destruction.

[blake2012]

17. You do realize that coalition was papier-mch

And was largely just the US and Britain.

Popularity? Nations aren’t going to put themselves on the line against Russia because its popular.

As reported, Komrade Trump was loathe to participate and had to be forced to only after it was clear this was not something he could avoid.

Wondering why you are so strongly taking Russia’s red herring that maybe they were framed.

Considering all other recent world events, even circumstantial evidence points strongly to Russia.

[Doodley]

19. I had not heard Russia's claim they were framed. I despise Putin as I despised Saddam Hussein.

That doesn't mean I trust the word of the British government. I lived in the UK most my life. I know the UK government machine cannot be trusted.

[FarCenter]

10. It was only a few miles from Porton Down

[Doodley]

13. Yes, that is quite a coincidence, or is it?

[DetlefK]

15. What exactly are the downsides for a russian assassin using a russian nerve-gas????

The diplomatic relations were frosty to begin with.

Russia will denounce any accusation as fake news and hysteria.

A russian assassin has successfully deployed a military-grade weapon of mass-destruction on NATO-soil and Russia has walked away scot-free.



Russia can afford to use incompetent spies who leave traces leading back to Russia. Because Russia will never face serious consequences.

[Doodley]

18. You don't think that there are serious consequences? Losing its spies and diplomats who are

based in western democracies is pretty serious.

[LanternWaste]

21. No doubt, we'd love to hear your belief of what transpired.

No doubt, we'd love to hear your angle of what transpired, regardless of whether we're supposed to believe it or not.

[Doodley]

22. I am opened minded. I'm not ruling anything in or out at this stage.

[MicaelS]

32. Utter and complete bullshit.

Why can the UK government be trusted?

You have just as much implied this was action by the UK secret services. Go peddle your conspiracy shit somewhere else.

Let me put it very simply for you.

The USSR was an enemy of the US and Western Europe. Russia under Putin is enemy of the US and Western Europe. Under both regimes their active measure programs were successful.

[Doodley]

39. Where's the evidence? People said that Britain and UK fabricating a case for war on Iraq was

"conspiracy shit." We now know differently. Russia is a bad guy and therefore did this is about as good as saying Saddam is bad, so he must have WMD.

[tonyt53]

29. Putin wanted people to know that nobody was safe from him. That means anybody.

[FreepFryer]

30. Not incompetent... emboldened. (n/t)

[MyNameGoesHere]

33. This was sent as a message

Putin doesn't give a flying fuck if it is traced back to him.

[Doodley]

41. He's had a hundred diplomats and possible spies sent back to Russia. Tell me again he doesn't care.

[MyNameGoesHere]

45. Ok. He doesn't care

[LisaL]

34. I haven't seen any actual proof that Russia is behind the attack.

Except the possible motive, which is presumably revenge and to send a message? But obviously other motives are possible, that we might not be aware of. And like already has been pointed out, there is a UK military research facility very close to where it happened.

[Doodley]

40. Thank you Lisa for stating what is a balanced opinion. It certainly is strange that Porton Down is

only eight miles from this "Russian attack."

[EX500rider]

43. Who would be the most likely suspect?

Colonel Skripal is a retired Russian military intelligence officer who was convicted of passing the identities of Russian intelligence agents working undercover in Europe to the UK's Secret Intelligence Service, MI6.

So he defects to the UK from Russia but you think the UK wants him dead but not Russia? lol

[LisaL]

46. Russia had him arrested, charged and convicted years ago.

Then they released him in exchange for their spies. Why would be the reason for them to want him dead at this time?

[EX500rider]

47. To send a message that selling Russian secrets gets you dead.

Why would anyone else want him dead?

[Adrahil]

48. Its a poke in the eye

It’s an act of machismo. He wants eveyone to knoe and dares people to do something about it. Like the el ction meddling...