'Morning Joe' discussing Joe Biden's popularity, everyone wants to book him for events and...

[PearliePoo2]

Mike Barnicle suggests that immediately after the mid-terms this Fall, (with a BLUE wave) Biden comes out of the gate announcing HIS TICKET!

He speculates: Joe Biden/Sally Yates

hmmmm....well now, that's certainly something to ponder!

[hlthe2b]

1. Sally Yates is on Biden's "advisory group"

[PearliePoo2]

2. Oh WOW! I didn't know that! Thanks!

I don't know a whole lot about Sally Yates, but what I have seen is VERY, VERY impressive.

[PearliePoo2]

3. I can't recall anyone announcing their bid for President with their ticket ready to go.

It's like, "Here we are, all set and ready...check us out!"

[WePurrsevere]

4. I wouldn't mind having an idea of who they want...

As VP, and heck, even other key positions, before I cast my vote in the primary. IMO their choices would reveal quite a bit about them and could very well be a deciding factor for me.

Mind you I'd also like to see the whole process streamlined and shortened by quite a bit. We could use a symbolic 9 months from declaration to election day with all primaries done by 4 months.

[lunatica]

5. What a relief that would be!

Even if they only shortened Presidential campaigning to a year that would be a relief.

Now we’ll be up to our eyeballs in Presidential campaigning for the next 2 plus years.

[WePurrsevere]

6. Wouldn't it though? I see these...

overly long drawn out perpetual campaigns as harmful to democracy not encouraging of it.

[PearliePoo2]

18. Vetting a VP pick is a very important and necessarily a long process.

Getting it wrong or missing something can lead to disaster.

People have little secrets that can come out at the worst time and destroy a candidacy.

John Edwards comes to mind. John McCain might be President if he hadn't been talked into picking Sarah Palin.

Palin is such an idiot and unhinged moron that Nicole Wallace says she still has PTSD over having to deal with her.

If Biden were to announce his running mate and come out immediately on the trail, the VP vetting would have to start soon, I would think.

[WePurrsevere]

39. While vetting is important, having a lot of time...

To do so doesn't necessarily guarantee a higher quality candidate from what I've seen.

IMO we'd be better off if candidates would do a better job vetting potential candidates as soon as they start to consider running and if the press would do their job sooner, much better and with less bias than they have been recently.

Meanwhile all the 'vetting' time that there was still kept Trump in the running close enough for a cheat to push him into winning.

Meanwhile Hillary was the best and most vetted candidate of my lifetime and yet there was also plenty of time for lies and disinformation to spread and do her a lot of harm.

IMO more time isn't always the answer in today's internet oriented world.

[MrsCoffee]

7. K&R

[DownriverDem]

8. Why is Joe popular?

Joe tells it like it is and does not soft soap it. He has been through some very tough times in his life (death of his first wife & daughter, death of his son) which comes through with compassion and empathy. If he were to run, I would hope he would announce a very popular young person to shut up a lot of purist lefties. We don't have time for division and infighting.

[PearliePoo2]

12. I knew everything I needed to know about Joe Biden when...

I watched him interact with his dear, sweet mom.

He was so tender and protective, so adoring, it was obvious he loved her with all his heart.

Joe Biden...good son, good father, good husband. A good man.

[bucolic_frolic]

9. Throughout history

there are those seeking to depose those in power. They had various names ... Old Pretender, Young Pretender, Shadow Presidency.

I would suggest Joe Biden is the Shadow Conscience of America for all that is wrong with the Trump Administration, and that is why people are listening to him. He has credibility, a long history of service and experience, sound political skills. He's just plain copper bottom.

[EffieBlack]

14. If Bidens the nominee, I will break my neck to get him elected

But I don’t want to hear another word about how and why a Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein and Hillary Clinton need to exit stage left because they’re too long on the tooth, too “establishment” and are blocking the way for younger, fresher faces.

Hillary Clinton was still in law school when Joe Biden was first elected to the Senate and when she first ran for political office, he’d already been on the national stage for nearly 30 years - longer than she’s been there to date. Yet he’s being hailed as the savior of the party and she’s being told to shut up and go away.

We need to recognize the double standard we are buying into - that, like gray hair hand wrinkles, age and experience for women are negative, disqualifying factors while they make people believe men are MORE qualified to do whatever they want at whatever age no matter how long they’ve been on the scene.

[bucolic_frolic]

17. HRC

had not the long legislative experience that Joe Biden has, even ignoring his 8 years as VP. She had been there, and witnessed that, and served on commissions, boards, panels, and had lots of government experience. But she'd never been elected. It's unfair, but that cut into her qualifications in some intangible way that historians will struggle to explain, be it persona, gravitas, credibility, believability, ballast. Or maybe she just didn't sense political opportunity that one learns from many campaigns, that moment when the opposing candidate is in a weak position, and the ability to slam dunk that and capitalize on it. Or maybe that is a male trait more than a female one, learned though it may be. Biden has it. It's like the ability to make a louder noise and put mega-emphasis on a valid point.

So yes, there is a double standard, though I disagree it's all about age, though it may be generational to some extent. On another level, women know, learn, and understand the demure posture even if they don't practice it at all times. Men don't learn it, and don't know it, and don't know how to practice demure, hence it never surfaces. The public understands this only on a subconscious, emotional, gut level, so they don't think about it, they sense it.

[EffieBlack]

21. Legislative experience is used against Pelosi and Feinstein

Interesting how on the one hand we say we want someone who’s not “establishment,” but then turn around and insist that someone is highly qualified BECAUSE they’re establishment.

Hillary Clinton was attacked mercilessly by folks on DU, not for being too “demure,” but for being “too establishment.” But now she’s not establishment enough? No one in Washington is more establishment than Biden, but since he’s a man, that’s now a good thing, apparently.

And if, as you say, women are just more “demure” by nature and men are naturally more adept at the “slam dunk” and demure is bad and slam dunk is good, are you suggesting that women are inherently less suited for political office than men?

Why does the “ability to make a louder noise” and to “slam dunk” make a person a better candidate? And why do you assume that women aren’t just as capable of doing that as men are?

It really sounds like you’ve bought into some sexist and very dangerous myths.

[bucolic_frolic]

22. You are attacking me for expressing my reasoning

Go pick on someone else. Have a nice day.

[EffieBlack]

30. Disagreeing with is not an "attack" on you

But given your sensitivity to having your reasoning questioned, it's just as well that you move on to something else.

[RhodeIslandOne]

31. Do you have any evidence that poster has attacked Pelosi or Feinstein?

If not, your critique is moot.

[disndat]

10. Yes, yes

Biden for Pres. 2020! We need his long and deep experience to pull us out of this Trump disaster.

[EffieBlack]

11. So much for the She needs to step aside to make room for new faces argument

Unless “SHE” is the operative word ...

[PearliePoo2]

15. "SHE". Nancy? Hillary? Elizabeth? All of the above?

Yes, "SHE", for some, is definitely the operative word.

There are many people (I've worked with them) who are NEVER going to vote for a "SHE". No matter what.

[angrychair]

24. Not me

Obviously I’ll vote for Joe if he is the eventual nominee but right now my favorite potential candidate is Kamala Harris and nothing has changed that.

[infullview]

13. I love Joe Biden, but..

could we please have a candidate that isn't at risk for organic brain syndrome, dementia, senility, or Alzheimer's ?

[TNNurse]

19. You are going to get called out on ageism...just warning you.

It has happened to me here. I will be 69 this year and I am ready for younger blood. I love Joe, but I am ready to someone new.

[EffieBlack]

23. I dont have a problem with his age - just with people who have an problem with age for women but

don’t apply the same standard to men

[infullview]

34. I'm old too

but I call it like I see it. You can't live forever (even thoughI'd like to), and there comes a time when a younger person IS the right answer. I don't want to have any more doubts about the decision making powers of this country's leadership. God knows, we've had enough of that all ready!

[quickesst]

16. Right now...

... Joe Biden is by far the right choice for 2020. My close second choice for president or vice president was railroaded by a small faction of his own party, many of whom have voiced their regret in doing so. Everyone else is a distant second, and unless someone steps up and completely knocks it out of the park, there will be no real viable option. This is my opinion, and strong hope. As for his running mate should he gain the nomination? If I have confidence in his ability to lead this country, then I have the confidence to believe he will make the wisest choice.

[monmouth4]

20. I think Eric Holder should be a consideration. Smart, young and loads of experience..n/t

[quickesst]

36. That sounds like a good choice...

.... and also somebody younger might be an asset, but it's only a small consideration when it comes to qualifications.

[monmouth4]

37. Also, let us not forget Adam Schiff. When I hear he is going to be on I search him out..n/t

[EffieBlack]

25. I remember back when folks first started talking about Hillary running

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all the criticism of her that claimed she expected a coronation ...

We have no idea right now who “the right choice” is. No one had gotten into the race. The last thing we need is to put all of our eggs into one basket this early on even before the mid-terms.

There are lots of exciting and interesting possibilities: Eric Holder, Sherrod Brown, Kamala Harris, Deval Patrick, Elizabeth Warren, Kirsten Gillibrand, among them. There is no “distant second” in a race that hasn’t even started.

[redstateblues]

27. Its Kamala

[EffieBlack]

29. Thanks - typo corrected

[quickesst]

38. I think I clearly stated...

... "As of right now", and my confidence in Joe Biden far outweighs my confidence in any of the people you've mentioned, thus placing them in a distant second, which brings me to a key phrase in my original post. That would be " in my opinion", which is exactly what your post is. An opinion

[stonecutter357]

26. K&R

[Gothmog]

28. I would support Joe if he ran

[ConnorMarc]

32. Do you folk think that had Joe been the candidate to go up against Trump in 2016, he would have won?

Why/why not?

[jalan48]

33. Biden/Yates sounds great!

[PatSeg]

35. Wow, I hadn't thought of Biden/Yates

What a dynamic ticket that would be. We have so many good choices, unlike republicans.