While I won't waste my time watching that asshole Roseanne's revival, if it garners enough viewers,

[still_one]

then it has the potential to serve as another propaganda mouthpiece like fox, for trump and company.

The ratings for her premiere was 17 million viewers, which is large.

I would like to think that is due to curiosity seekers, which won't have staying power, but I am not sure.

[CentralMass]

1. I won't be watching it either.

[avebury]

2. Didn't watch it the first time, won't watch it this time either. nt

[still_one]

4. Same here.

[DFW]

16. Nor did I

We don't get US TV here anyway, and the last thing I expect I'll be doing is ordering DVD season sets later on, barring a serious and sudden onset of dementia.

[raven mad]

81. Ditto n/t

[appleannie1943]

3. It will not darken our TV either.

[TexasTowelie]

5. I would expect that the premiere would do that well

for the sheer sake of curiosity since it was once a top-rated program. However, the audiences grew tired of the show towards the end as they kept on adding new characters to keep the show interesting. They already started with a premiere introducing a new generation of characters so they are already falling back on an old formula. While it will retain some of the audience, expect the ratings to decline as people are reminded of how they disagreed with Roseanne's politics and for a new generation of TV viewers to question why Roseanne was popular in the first place.

[vlyons]

6. I watched it

It was very funny. The script satirized RWers and Trump a lot more than liberals. At least I thought so. Reminded me of Norman Lear's "All in the Family." I laughed at Archie Bunker back then, and now I'll laugh at Roseanne. I'll watch it again. I have it on record series.

[EffieBlack]

9. Archie Bunker was the butt of the joke. Roseanne is the message

“All in the Family” was about “both sides” - but its point was to show how ignorant and backward one side was.

Roseanne seeks to normalize and balance both sides as equally valid perspectives.

Two different things.

[TNNurse]

20. Afraid you are correct.

Did not and will not watch. Sad that John Goodman agreed to be in it. I suppose the others could not afford to refuse.

[Roy Rolling]

41. That Was the First Episode

I suspect the dynamic will change to make Rosanne the butt of the jokes like Archie Bunker. If sponsors demand Rosanne spew right-wing propaganda unchallenged, the show will starve.

Nobody's buying that shit anymore.

[vlyons]

54. I completely disagreeI

At least so far. If the show becomes a Fox News propaganda outlet, I'll stop watching. Just like I don't watch Fox EVER. But for now, I find it funny. I question everything, and I like to look and find out for myself. Everyone should look for themselves. If not liked, change the channel. Moreover, I found that the point of the show was that a very disfunctional family, who in despite of serious political disagreements could still love one another very deeply. I especially liked that they supported the grandson's choice to wear "sissy" girl clothes to school.

[EffieBlack]

57. I have many, many choices of things to watch on television and there are no shows that I "should"

watch. I choose to watch something else

[vlyons]

70. I don't care what you do and don't watch

I'm just baffled that people can have such strong negative opinions about something that they've ever experienced for themselves.

[EffieBlack]

71. I wouldn't care if her show were about Black Lives Matter and she played a raging liberal

I think she is a hateful, despicable, cruel person who represents and revels in much of what I've spent my life trying to move our country away from, so I don't patronize anything she does, regardless of the content. I don't need to "experience" her show for myself to decide whether or not I want to watch it. I don't watch her show because of HER, not because of anything that may be presented on it.

[PatSeg]

66. I watched it as well

The show is not about Roseanne Barr, it is about the Conner family and their friends in a Midwest working class town. I was raised outside of Chicago and I've known people like the Conners, though not always as funny or open minded. Few shows have captured blue collar families and their problems as well as Roseanne.

The original show was extremely popular, as well as cutting edge, but even back then Roseanne Barr was controversial and often outrageous. That did not effect the quality of the show, however, and people still tuned in, even if they did not like or approve of Barr.

Roseanne the show had covered topics that few programs had touched - homosexuality, mental illness, domestic abuse, etc. The reboot has already shown that they will touch on many subjects that reflect the real world average people live in. Darlene's grade school son likes bright colors and girls' clothes, Becky is deep in debt and wants to become a surrogate mother for the money, D.J. has a mixed race child (haven't seen his wife yet), Rosanne and Dan have health conditions related to age and cannot afford their medication so they split them up between them.

As for politics, Jackie supported Hillary and Roseanne supported Trump, because he promised jobs. Jackie pointed out that things have only gotten worse and implies that Roseanne only gets her news from Fox, though the network was not mentioned by name. They argue about politics, much like many families do today. Perhaps it is healthy for people to see this on TV, with a bit of humor, and know that they are not alone.

This show has an ensemble cast with some really talented actors and top notch writers. Roseanne, the person, has suffered from mental illness and has had several nervous breakdowns. As such, I take that into consideration when she says off-the-wall crap. Meanwhile, the rest of cast and writers deserve recognition.

I love John Goodman and his Don Conner is the most realistic husband and father I've seen in a sitcom. I go out of my way to watch anything he is in. Laurie Metcalf is an amazing actress and comedian. Her performance alone makes it worth watching the show.

If Donald Trump and his core supporters think the show validates his presidency, they weren't paying attention or they didn't really watch the show. Most likely the latter I think.

[Cha]

7. It makes no sense to me

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whatsoever to watch someone like this gaslighting idiot who hates on beautiful human beings.. I don't care who the co-stars are.

But, I'm funny that way.. our country and the Planet mean too much to me.

It was never my type of show in the first place and now.. I hope tying to normalize that shite is a fucking failure.

[EffieBlack]

10. Im with you on this.

[CatMor]

76. I'm with you on this too...

well said.

[Cha]

8. SEE!

Morning Joe: trump made a call to Roseanne last night

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210427362

[Vinca]

11. I wouldn't watch it, but I saw a clip this morning and maybe this will backfire bigly.

If Laurie Metcalf has a significant role, maybe she'll get through to a Trumphumper or two.

[Archae]

12. I will not watch the show, simply because Roseanne is a total asshole.

RWNJ conspiracy theories, that Roseanne and ABC are frantically trying to cover up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2018/01/11/tv-roseanne-will-be-a-trump-supporter-real-life-roseanne-barr-is-already-a-pro-trump-internet-mainstay/?utm_term=.94d91c6dde43

[Blue_Adept]

13. It's not like she's the sole opinion on it

It's probably more representative of a lot of families around the country than most sitcoms in terms of politics and diversity.

If the Trump fans cling to it, they're xposed to a very diverse family with very different opinions from the title character.

It may be her name toplining it but it's not a one-actor show.

[GoCubsGo]

15. You'd never know that by all of the caterwauling over it around here.

I watched it. I probably won't watch it again, but mainly because it kind of sucked. It was your typical reboot of an old show, which was actually a decent show at first. It went off the rails when its namesake went off the rails. And, she's totally derailed now. But, like you said, the Flying Monkeys will be exposed to different opinions. One has to wonder how they handled Roseanne not only accepting the grandson that likes to wear dresses, but standing up for him. I suspect it didn't go over well with them.

[Blue_Adept]

21. You know most complaining never watched it or barely a few minutes before their ears bled

I didn't watch much but I read a range of reviews and got a good consensus about it. What it largely did was make me wish it was focused on Darlene and her family with everyone else kind of guesting/supporting from there. But Roseanne's ego won't allow it.

But just looking at the kids as proper gen-x types with what they're like and how they're handling kids in today is a great contrast to Roseanne herself. Having gender fluid kids, etc. is not what most likely expected.

Yeah, they'll get mocked by most Trumpists. But at the same time they'll be seen by others within those households that will see THEIR life put to the screen and that means something.

[Tarc]

27. But for the first 2 episodes, it kind of is focused on Darlene and her kids

We'll see if that is the focus going forward, but her and her kids' were definitely the "A" stories so far.

[Blue_Adept]

29. Right, I'm just wary that they'll continue to be the focus is all

If they are, that's great, it'll give them plenty of things to showcase and work through in finding some common ground through family.

[emulatorloo]

30. Yeah the show was a lot more complex than those who havent watched it think it is

They seem to think it is non-stop Rah Rah Trump. But the actual plots and characters were anything but boosterism of Trump idiocy.



keithbvadu2 posted an interesting article on how challenging / problematic some of the plots/characters will be for the MAGA set.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210427362#post12

[GoCubsGo]

38. Oh, yeah. They're all admitting they didn't watch.

Lots of people spouting an opinion that based on what they imagine, rather than what actually was. I find that all kind of hilarious, actually. Typical DU tempest in a teapot.

I watched the whole hour. Actually, the DID spend a fair amount of time on some of the other characters, mainly Becky and Darlene. It wasn't all about Roseanne and her ego, believe it or not. In that regard, it was very much like the original show, where it was actually about the whole family, and not just the show's namesake. But, it was like every other reboot--the writers tried too hard, and it seemed very forced. Kind of like the latter seasons, after John Goodman left the show. I just wasn't very good.

[Blue_Adept]

43. Pretty much what I expected

There was a reason the original resonated for a lot of people as a more realistic portrayal of modern life.

My day job is reviewing TV and film and with TV shows I always essentially give the first three or so episodes a pass, even a relaunch like this, because it takes time to get back into the groove or to find your groove for a new show. Roseanne herself was always one of the weak points for me when I watched the original run and her real-life antics make her unwatchable for me. I know what they're trying to do here though and I'm quite glad that it's doing what it's doing because it'll have an interesting impact. I made sure to read a range of real critic reviews, not twitter soundbites, and there's definitely some interesting takes on the project.

My end hope is that it's a one-off season (though it won't be if the ratings keep up) and they opt to spin off the adult kids into their own series with Roseanne guesting as I know Goodman has too much good stuff going on in film these days.

[infullview]

14. Never watched it, thought the show was built for LCD

[Oppaloopa]

17. Last man standing is worse every week.Obama jokes,Hillary Benghazi

[Javaman]

18. meh, let's see the ratings for the next two weeks. nt

[fescuerescue]

19. The -only- purpose of non-pbs television shows

Is to drive propaganda (private and public). We call private propaganda advertising and public propaganda a "public message" or some other clumsy term.

That's it. The networks are in it to make money, and advertising and propaganda is what how they do.

The content, that's only there to keep you watching and listening for a paid message every 5 minutes. The content is just the peanut that drops, to keep us banging that feeder bar, while we are observed from outside.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

22. What'd I miss? Why do you all hate her?

[Tarc]

24. Roseanne Barr is a diehard Trumpkin, but the show isn't about that, past the intro

They spend ~5 minutes, Roseanne and Jackie, going at it over Trump vs. Hillary, then the dust clears. Then it is on to the normal sitcom stuff that the old show used to do. The show is...at least least at first, there's only been 2 episodes thus far...more about Sarah Gilbert's Darlene characterand her kids, a teen girl and a gender-fluid boy... than it it Roseanne.

If people don't like it, fine, but the outcry and rage is making some of my fellow liberals look rather silly

[Dr Hobbitstein]

28. FACT. Nt

[GusBob]

50. So if our TV president calls the Roseanne to fawn over her great ratings.....

How does that make him look?

He is allowed to praise her and we should just shut up?

[Tarc]

67. The current resident of the White House also likes Taco Bell

I still like Taco Bell too, once in awhile.

It's ok to find enjoyment in a tv show even if stupid people also like it. Don't let President Cheeto McFuckwit direct the course of your life.

[GusBob]

68. if he decides domestic and foreign policy based on Fox and Friends is that OK?

?

[Tarc]

69. You're off the rails into Non Sequitur-ville now.

[MountCleaners]

82. One must wonder...

how many of them just have class issues or a problem with women who are fat and loud.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. She did a lot more than just vote for Trump. She called people who didn't vote for him pedophiles.

[Puzzler]

23. The excuse is balance

There is nothing remotely normal in “politics” at present. Any attempt to show “both sides” today earns my contempt.

Shame on ABC


-Puzzler

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Best reason not to watch

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210427459

[Dr Hobbitstein]

26. Since you won't "waste your time" watching it,

Maybe speak to someone who watched it?

The first episode had some back and forth between Roseanne and Jackie, who had been estranged since the election (because Roseanne voted for Trump and Jackie supported Hillary, but accidentally voted for Stein). Jackie shows up in a "Nasty Woman" T-shirt and a pussy hat, and asks "what's up, deplorable?". They have some hilarious back and forth, Jackie tells Roseanne she's a bully, they make up, and the politics end.

The second episode deals with Darlene's gender-fluid son who gets bullied in school, and the rest of the family coming to terms with his lifestyle. The ultimate message was "be yourself, no matter what".

Definitely NOT normalizing Trump.

I know everyone is entitled to an opinion, but an uninformed opinion is... Well, uninformed.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. After Trump put his imprimatur on it I am definitely not watching.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/29/politics/roseanne-donald-trump-call/index.html

I will use that time to take out my neighbors trash.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

35. Cool story.

The show does not have a pro-Trump message.
I’ll continue to watch it and get outraged over things that actually matter.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. I am not the tv nanny. Watch what you want.

I will not watch anything with Trump's imprimatur on it.

Others mileage may vary.

[cwydro]

51. Thank you.

All this “caterwauling” ( as another poster put it) about a sitcom is kind of funny.

[B2G]

56. Waiting for some to say the Russians hacked Neilson. nt

[Dr Hobbitstein]

58. Speaking of Russia,

In the first episode Jackie came over for dinner and brought dressing for the salad. She hands it to Roseanne and it’s Russian dressing.

[B2G]

60. That was hilarious! nt

[Puzzler]

34. FYI: I DID watch it (nt)

-Puzzler

[Dr Hobbitstein]

36. So did I. The OP, however, admittedly did not. nt

[still_one]

53. You are correct, I said that right up front..

[sinkingfeeling]

42. Agree 100%. I want to see how TJ ended up with a black daughter, who

Roseanne was hugging and kissing.

It certainly wasn't a fraction as bad as Last Man Standing.

[still_one]

59. Your insinuation that because I don't watch her show makes me uninformed about what?

That I don't want to watch a show whose star proudly supports a racist, sexist, bigot?

So you indicate that it doesn't normalize trump. I never commented about it "normalizing trump". What I did say is that it serves as a propaganda medium for trump, and I stand by that comment, even without seeing the show

In fact your characterization of the show kind of demonstrates my point.

The Jackie character you indicated was for Hillary, but instead "accidentally" voted for Stein. Gee, I guess there is no implication there about Hillary voters there.

I never watched her show decades ago, and I won't watch it now. As far as I am concerned she is a crude vulgar person, who loves to seek attention. Gee I wonder who that sounds like........ Hint, perhaps it's someone who occupies the WH

[Dr Hobbitstein]

61. It makes you uninformed about the content of the show.

And if you watch the show in context, you’ll find Jackie’s Stein vote was due to Roseanne’s bullying of Jackie over HRC and Jackie second guessing herself. It was not a jab at Hillary voters. It was a jab at Roseanne’s (and Trump’s) bullying.

Nothing in the show normalizes Trump. I was leary of it at first, but I’m open minded and gave it a chance. And it made me and my daughter laugh, just like the original does/did.

If it was a Trump love fest, I’d be railing alongside you. But it’s not.

[still_one]

63. I hear you, but you also keep using the term that it doesn't "normalize trump". My comments had

nothing to do with the normalization of trump.

I would argue that it is the loud, vulgar persona that many trump supporters admire.

From my perspective, Roseanne in her personal life, and in her show's character are "drama queens", seeking attention, not approval, much like the occupant in the WH

[Dr Hobbitstein]

64. Im a-ok with loud and vulgar.

Fuck, I’m a full-blooded vulgarian. It takes a LOT to offend me.

Someone else mentioned normalizing in this thread or another. I was responding to that as well.

[still_one]

65. ok, and I am not offended by the use of the word fuck, but vulgar and crude have a tendency to come

close to bullying

[Freethinker65]

31. Did not watch it, but I do not watch most TV

If Roseanne is smart, she will find a way to recapture the fine writing and acting of the original show and touch on many topics but emphasize family. If she is stupid she will go all partisan, alienate more than half of her potential audience, and have results similar to the end of the original run when I believe the Connor's won the lottery and her husband (Goodman) died.

[meow2u3]

33. I couldn't stomach Rosanne in the 80s and 90s

and I still can't stomach her. I won't watch one episode, not even by accident!

[TommyCelt]

39. Didn't watch it then...

...won't watch it now. That screechy whine of her voice never let me get past the first 2 minutes of any one episode.

[MarianJack]

40. I never watched then and...

...I won't watch now.

I never liked her then, I don't like her now.

Just curious though, didn't John Goodman's character kick the bucket in the original show?

PEACE!

[left-of-center2012]

45. "The ratings for her premiere was 17 million viewers"

17 million was the reported audience.

Is that the same as "ratings"?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. 22,000,000 people watched Stormy.

[bucolic_frolic]

47. Another loudmouth I never watched

[Farmer-Rick]

48. I do not trust the show

I do not want to be fed propaganda. In this show I feel they will twist and turn to feed me pro Trump crap.

Yeah, they are going to try and hide it like in Frasier, bad Sci Fi and 24. But it will crawl out and sink into your brain until you start to wonder where did you get so many stupid ideas.

Why subject yourself to their maipulation when there is so many better things to watch?

[workinclasszero]

49. I listened to Sean Hannity praise Roseanne three or four times at least on the way to work yesterday

She is the right wing republicans new hero!

She can go piss up a rope IMHO, she has said and posted some of the most vile, infowars level filthy lies!

She and ABC have tried hard to cleanse the internet from her fascist lies and slanders made over the years.

I don't see a true believer hater racist like her being able to keep the venom bottled up for too long.

[Paladin]

52. I won't support any show for which the trump base shows such marked enthusiasm.

trump, Sean Hannity and Roseanne Barr are all now phone buddies. To hell with all of them.

[oxbow]

55. So far, both Hollywood and liberals have drawn the wrong conclusions

I watched the first 2 episodes. The first had a couple of hacky HRC jokes and was a little all over the place. The second one had little to no political commentary and was actually pretty heartwarming. It was about her young grandson getting bullied at school for dressing androgynously.

I certainly can’t commend Roseanne’s choices in where she gets her news but the writers (who she says are all liberal) seem to have weeded out the kookier stuff for the most part. Overall, It’s more about working class lefties than RW nutjobs. Of course, Hollywood will draw the absolute worst conclusions and fall over themselves to rush out some pro-trump sitcoms now. But it’s nice to see that some people get it. For instance, I saw this article on another thread:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/28786/roseanne-blows-ratings-trump-supporters-cheer-ben-shapiro

[still_one]

62. I didn't watch her show decades ago, and I won't watch it now. The comment I made regarding

the show was that it serves as a propaganda piece for trump and his administration.

My impression of Roseanne is that she is a crude, loud, and vulgar person who craves attention, much like the racist, sexist, bigot she supported in the election, and why I say it is a propaganda piece is because they wear the badge proudly

[oxbow]

73. Your impression of her may be spot on...

I’m not sure the show would be an effective propaganda piece though. There’s a good amount of nuance and differing perspectives. The main characters are all socially liberal. No one’s political viewpoint is elevated above the others. If anything, it’s about how they’re all weird and/or messed up in their own way, and still need to come together as a family.

The one mention of trump is when she says that she had to do something different, because her family was in danger of losing their home. Putting her personal politics aside, the show is basically talking to Bernie voters. So while they do retcon some things, the Connor family has always been blue collar democrat.

I’m not sure where the show is heading, but I hope it remains not what you think it is. I would love for her to come to regret her vote, and totally unload on spanky on national tv!

[still_one]

74. Based on posts that saw it, they seem to concur with your assessment

[JI7]

80. Roseanne in real life has been hateful towards transgender people

[Tikki]

72. There are quite a few of these multi, multi members cast shows out there.

I appreciate family and have one.

But to me these shows are more like gossip.


Tikki

[LAS14]

75. Have you ever watched a show? All of the other characters are left or...

...far left, including the little kids. Well... I'm not sure of the older granddaughter yet. Still. Watch a couple of shows and then let us know what you think.

[marlakay]

77. The writers are all liberal

so I sincerely don't think any of them will let it become a propaganda machine. Rosanne is just one of many producers this time and not in charge. The executive producer is a liberal Sara Gilbert.

If you think about it, this could be a way to get Trump voters and independents to watch and possibly change their views, like with LBGT and other things they are bringing in.

[Jake Stern]

78. The reason many of us like the show is because we can identify with it.

I half-jokingly tell people who ask about my childhood to watch Roseanne.

Aside from having differing politics than the main character my mother is very much like Roseanne Conner: Outspoken, opinionated and sarcastic but full of love for her family and friends.

My father is quite a bit like Dan Conner: a blue collar, easy going jokester.

Grew up in a blue collar family that struggled to make ends meet so I can readily identify with the Connors.

Politics has become an unhealthy obsession. Now we can't like a show, movie or song because the entertainer supports the other party.

I won't stop watching Clint Eastwood movies just because he a Trumpian asshole. Politics aside, I happen to think he's a damn fine actor.

I enjoy the music of Charlie Daniels (especially the older stuff) despite him being hardcore MAGA.

[Wolf Frankula]

79. I didn't watch it then. I won't watch it now.

But I will say this about John Goodman. He was born to play Fred Flintstone.


Wolf