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Initech

(100,038 posts)
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 02:46 PM Mar 2018

Josh Bernstein Suspects That David Hogg Had Something To Do With The Stoneman Shooting

Right-wing commentator Josh Bernstein posted a video yesterday in which he speculated that David Hogg, a student who survived the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, last month and who has become a leading activist for gun reform, “had something to do with the Stoneman shooting” and was possibly even “affiliated in some way” with the shooter, Nikolas Cruz.

“David Hogg is an opportunist,” Bernstein said. “He is not a victim. He has used this tragedy to make a name for himself. He is exploiting this shooting in order to make a name for himself. In fact, I bet that his speech [at the March for Our Lives rally] was probably written by Michael Bloomberg himself or maybe someone at CNN … or, who knows, maybe even a Hollywood producer or writer or director.”

“This kid, David Hogg, is not concerned about gun safety,” Bernstein continued. “He is concerned about pushing an agenda and making a name for himself. And, to be quite frank, I honestly wonder if this kid has something to do with the Stoneman shooting.”

Bernstein went on to assert that “it seems very odd” that Hogg would have documented the event on his phone while hiding in a closet during the shooting.

“Give me a break,” he said. “It seems very odd. My gut tells me that this kid was either warned beforehand—knew he wasn’t going to be shot, knew he wasn’t going to be targeted—or was affiliated in some way with Nikolas Cruz.”
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/josh-bernstein-suspects-that-david-hogg-had-something-to-do-with-the-stoneman-shooting/


Argh, this is the level of idiocy we're dealing with now - they're attacking high school students because they got nothing else.
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Josh Bernstein Suspects That David Hogg Had Something To Do With The Stoneman Shooting (Original Post) Initech Mar 2018 OP
They are just doing what they do. Making shit up and have their followers spread it. -nt poboy2 Mar 2018 #1
Isn't that slander? atreides1 Mar 2018 #2
Is This Kid Really A Public Figure Just Yet? ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #3
Public figures can win slander/libel cases 11cents Mar 2018 #7
Good Point ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #12
They should file a lawsuit, and shut these people up. vsrazdem Mar 2018 #4
In the UK it would be. BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #6
I don't think "it seems odd" or "my gut tells me" rises to the level (legally) of slander Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #24
What a shame Blindingly apparent Mar 2018 #31
wait, I thought he was a paid "crisis" actor... lapfog_1 Mar 2018 #5
Yeah they seem to be conflicting their own message here, don't they? Initech Mar 2018 #11
Who the fuck is Josh Bernstein? Beaverhausen Mar 2018 #8
Never heard of him. cwydro Mar 2018 #33
I suspect Josh Bernstein NewJeffCT Mar 2018 #9
Lucinda Suspects Josh Bernstein is an idiot who likes to attack children. Lucinda Mar 2018 #10
Oh You Don't Suspect It, Lucinda ProfessorGAC Mar 2018 #13
Quite true. Lucinda Mar 2018 #15
Yeah I have to say this last month has been awesome watching the gun nuts squirm. Initech Mar 2018 #21
Sandy Hook should have been a catalyst. But we seem to finally have the right Lucinda Mar 2018 #25
I can't say what I would like to do to josh bernstien. Mosby Mar 2018 #14
Maybe Josh should talk to Laura Ingraham PatSeg Mar 2018 #16
An agenda!!! Oh no not an AGENDA!!! underpants Mar 2018 #17
Yeah that's a classic right wing talking point. Initech Mar 2018 #18
Yeah.. cannabis_flower Mar 2018 #27
What paucity of intellect! What emptiness of mind! MineralMan Mar 2018 #19
They Have Nothing . . . peggysue2 Mar 2018 #20
You can't really shame someone who has no sense of shame. Initech Mar 2018 #22
Sadly, true. peggysue2 Mar 2018 #35
This is almost as purely and utterly evil as Holocaust Denial... First Speaker Mar 2018 #23
Momma's will destroy him. Corgigal Mar 2018 #26
I wonder if Josh Bernstein has something to do with the outbreak of drug resistant gonorrhea DBoon Mar 2018 #28
There's a new strain spreading Danascot Mar 2018 #34
there are no words for these shitstains spanone Mar 2018 #29
Thought he was a 21 y.o. who wasnt even a student? argyl Mar 2018 #30
These people are truly sick in the head. smirkymonkey Mar 2018 #32

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
3. Is This Kid Really A Public Figure Just Yet?
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 02:52 PM
Mar 2018

I suppose some lawyer could make that case, but he's been known for just one thing and for a very short time.

If it isn't legally slanderous, it's sure defamatory in an absolute sense. He has zero proof of such an allegation.

11cents

(1,777 posts)
7. Public figures can win slander/libel cases
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 03:02 PM
Mar 2018

It's a high bar in this country, but it can be done. Witness, Carol Burnett's successful suit against the National Enquirer.

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
12. Good Point
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 03:11 PM
Mar 2018

But, if this kid isn't really a public figure yet, that makes what that idiot said much riskier. I would think one cannot legally just accuse a private citizen of complicity in a crime with absolutely no proof.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,311 posts)
24. I don't think "it seems odd" or "my gut tells me" rises to the level (legally) of slander
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 04:19 PM
Mar 2018

(Or libel or whatever the state statute calls it)

But I'm not a lawyer.

I would think he would have to make more of a declarative statement.

31. What a shame
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 06:42 PM
Mar 2018

If this vile statement could be considered slander maybe young David could win and have his whole college tuition paid for by this POS

lapfog_1

(29,191 posts)
5. wait, I thought he was a paid "crisis" actor...
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 02:58 PM
Mar 2018

and there really wasn't any shooting, only special effects.

Now they have me confused.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
10. Lucinda Suspects Josh Bernstein is an idiot who likes to attack children.
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 03:08 PM
Mar 2018

The Parkland folks are hitting a nerve.
Good.
May they all stay safe.

Initech

(100,038 posts)
21. Yeah I have to say this last month has been awesome watching the gun nuts squirm.
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 04:14 PM
Mar 2018

Although it sucks that it had to take a mass shooting to get people to wake up. But when we have assholes in charge, we have to take matters into our own hands to get people to wake up.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
25. Sandy Hook should have been a catalyst. But we seem to finally have the right
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 04:47 PM
Mar 2018

combination of people pushing back this time. It's shameful that the kids had to take lead on this...but it is part of what makes this time different. They are the right people using the right tools (social media) to make change.

underpants

(182,603 posts)
17. An agenda!!! Oh no not an AGENDA!!!
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 03:28 PM
Mar 2018

You hear that all the time on talk radio. "They have an agenda" Really? ....and then the person talking starts promoting their agenda.

Initech

(100,038 posts)
18. Yeah that's a classic right wing talking point.
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 03:45 PM
Mar 2018

Yes, the ever dangerous "agenda"!! *cue horror music* What crazy thing will "the agenda" reveal this week?

peggysue2

(10,823 posts)
35. Sadly, true.
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 09:50 PM
Mar 2018

But we can hold their feet to the fire. Although I must say, David Hogg is doing a very good job on his own. These kids are damn amazing!

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
23. This is almost as purely and utterly evil as Holocaust Denial...
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 04:16 PM
Mar 2018

...every time I think to myself, I won't sink to their level; I won't allow myself to hate...they get worse. And worse. This is one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard, and I've been around a long time...

DBoon

(22,340 posts)
28. I wonder if Josh Bernstein has something to do with the outbreak of drug resistant gonorrhea
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 05:32 PM
Mar 2018

Something tells me he might be behind this, just a gut instinct. He is too smug and sure of himself, as though he had something to do with this.

We must investigate!

argyl

(3,064 posts)
30. Thought he was a 21 y.o. who wasnt even a student?
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 05:44 PM
Mar 2018

So that shit gets shot down and they come back with even more vile, outlandish things about this kid?
Maybe we should re-examine the 1st Amendment because this spending money and resources to craft lies to deceive and sway public opinion most assuredly is not what the Founders had in mind.
This isnt even a 1st Amendment issue. If David Hogg is a public figure this vile shit has a lot do to with it. Reporters can and do go to publication with a story that is inaccurate. It happens all the time but this is something entirely different. No doubt data was mined to find the most convincing lies to spread.
They’ve used these methods to overturn elections here in the States and abroad as well. If there aren’t any existing laws to cover this I guess we’re SOL for now because this bunch in power will do nothing whatsoever about it.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
32. These people are truly sick in the head.
Thu Mar 29, 2018, 06:48 PM
Mar 2018

They just make up the most outlandish, hateful lies that their fiendish little minds can come up with and throw it out there like a chimp flinging poo. I really hope it all comes back on them.

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