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Easter's NBC live show Jesus Christ Superstar. Will Evangelicals freak that this Jesus is black? (Original Post) bobbieinok Mar 2018 OP
They freak out that Jesus is Jewish. milestogo Mar 2018 #1
And "Swarthy" HAB911 Mar 2018 #20
Yes. TlalocW Mar 2018 #2
Well, his description in the Bible says Glamrock Mar 2018 #3
THAT part of the Bible can't be taken literally because, you know, white Jesus EffieBlack Mar 2018 #5
But of course. Glamrock Mar 2018 #6
With name like Peter, David, Thomas, and Matthew. Atman Mar 2018 #15
"You rang?" - JC Hybrid Achilleaze Mar 2018 #18
The Crusaders brought an image of a White Jesus to the Middleeast. nt Blue_true Mar 2018 #36
Um...chapter and verse, please? Aristus Mar 2018 #39
Revlatione 1:15 Glamrock Mar 2018 #41
Those are prophetic visions. Aristus Mar 2018 #43
I think it would have been against LeftInTX Mar 2018 #58
Jesus IS black...just ask Ben Carson flibbitygiblets Mar 2018 #4
That image will always be completely psychotic. VOX Mar 2018 #10
I didn't realize they had hair straightener back then. Lochloosa Mar 2018 #11
Also Klingon Soxfan58 Mar 2018 #35
And an aikido champion. Dave Starsky Mar 2018 #50
Looks like Ben operated on Jesus' head. It doesn't look right. ProudLib72 Mar 2018 #51
They already consider the whole musical to be blasphemous. Coventina Mar 2018 #7
Exactly Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #13
Still one of my favorites. Atman Mar 2018 #16
I've seen a few interpretations over the years Blue_Adept Mar 2018 #19
I saw a live performance by a traveling troupe. watrwefitinfor Mar 2018 #25
Agree.. mountain grammy Mar 2018 #33
I don't know why it moves me, either. Iggo Mar 2018 #34
Yes, and isnt that Funtatlaguy Mar 2018 #8
Judas is a republican Achilleaze Mar 2018 #9
Yeah but I think Alice Cooper will help bring them back into accepting it underpants Mar 2018 #12
Well . . . duh. Everyone knows Jesus was hot, blonde and a white guy. Vinca Mar 2018 #14
What role does Ted Nugent play? Atman Mar 2018 #17
Who is Judas? superpatriotman Mar 2018 #21
Brandon Victor Dixon, who played Aaron Burr OliverQ Mar 2018 #44
Of course they will. sinkingfeeling Mar 2018 #22
Newsflash!! Jesus is not a white, blonde blue-eyed Aryan... HipChick Mar 2018 #23
John Legend is a very talented man FakeNoose Mar 2018 #24
Great meme. John Fante Mar 2018 #52
will they? heaven05 Mar 2018 #26
Weren't they the same ones... sheshe2 Mar 2018 #46
I know but our world/planet heaven05 Mar 2018 #47
I fully agree. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #48
Jesus was a woman?! ProudLib72 Mar 2018 #54
Im sure they will try to ignore it or mock it but I am totally Guilded Lilly Mar 2018 #27
It is just a TV show. Everybody knows that Jesus was a blond haired Anglo. Paintings everywhere tonyt53 Mar 2018 #28
Carl Anderson, I think. kwassa Mar 2018 #59
Probably Only the Ones Who Worship a Light-Skinned, Blue-Eyed Jesus dlk Mar 2018 #29
They don't care. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2018 #30
just tell em its a lynching and they will be ok with it dembotoz Mar 2018 #31
If they do, I hope they freak in public. I could use a laugh. (n/t) Iggo Mar 2018 #32
Oh, probably. But, who really cares? MineralMan Mar 2018 #37
What an amazing soundtrack from that original Roland99 Mar 2018 #38
My favorite musical Corgigal Mar 2018 #40
Cast of the 2018 version csziggy Mar 2018 #42
Bdandon Dixon as Judas, Alice Cooper as Herod. Both AL Weber and T Rice are 'overseeing' this produc bobbieinok Mar 2018 #45
K&R Do not miss! Set your DVR FakeNoose Mar 2018 #49
Nonbelievers will freak that it is being shown period. Sneederbunk Mar 2018 #53
I disagree - it's the religious right who are going to freak FakeNoose Mar 2018 #55
Im betting they dont for the most part. nolabear Mar 2018 #56
Of course they will. raven mad Mar 2018 #57

Glamrock

(11,794 posts)
3. Well, his description in the Bible says
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 02:03 AM
Mar 2018

His skin was liked bronze fired in a furnace (dark brown). And he had hair like wool....

So yeah, they'll freak out. Who actually expects an evangelical to know what's in the Bible?

Aristus

(66,308 posts)
39. Um...chapter and verse, please?
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 10:25 AM
Mar 2018

As I recall, there are no physical descriptions of Jesus in the Bible.

Aristus

(66,308 posts)
43. Those are prophetic visions.
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 10:49 AM
Mar 2018

Not descriptions of the man by those who knew him.

Conventional wisdom stands, then: no descriptions of Jesus in the Gospels.

Still, that doesn't mitigate my disdain for those who insist Jesus was a blond, blue-eyed white man.

LeftInTX

(25,209 posts)
58. I think it would have been against
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 10:33 PM
Mar 2018

the Jewish faith to give a physical description of Jesus.

Sure we know that Noah lived 900 years and Moses was at the end of his life, so they are depicted as old with beards. David was young, got the women, so presumed to be handsome. About the only one that has a physical appearance in the bible is Samson. The rest are inferred by Christians based on their behavior.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
10. That image will always be completely psychotic.
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 06:15 AM
Mar 2018

Macho-heroic-Jesus appears to be wearing a terry spa robe for good measure.

Coventina

(27,093 posts)
7. They already consider the whole musical to be blasphemous.
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 03:47 AM
Mar 2018

Having a black Jesus won't add all that much to their ire.

Blue_Adept

(6,397 posts)
13. Exactly
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 07:25 AM
Mar 2018

And I love the fact that as an atheist myself, this film is just hugely meaningful to me. I had seen it as a child and listened to it on 8-track repeatedly, but had no love of religion even at a young age (I was a SF buff). But this film ~moves~ me in so many ways. It's the power of a story told in a compelling way and every year when I watch the 70's film version I take something different away from it because of my own changes and growth of knowledge.

I'm excited to see how this live performance plays out.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
16. Still one of my favorites.
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 07:29 AM
Mar 2018

I’m an atheist, too, but I love this album (original cast recording only) on so many levels.

Blue_Adept

(6,397 posts)
19. I've seen a few interpretations over the years
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 07:58 AM
Mar 2018

But most fall flat in some way. The original cast nailed it.

The one that really threw me was one that re-interpreted it as a 9/11 tale.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/arts/2015/04/25/wrongheaded-jesus-christ-superstar-fiddlehead/cj27kQ4ukuV401f0aBltXL/story.html

Did not care for this interpretation at all.

watrwefitinfor

(1,399 posts)
25. I saw a live performance by a traveling troupe.
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 09:10 AM
Mar 2018

Neely and Anderson reprised their original roles on stage in the '90s. I took my young teenage granddaughters.

They had never seen the movie, so had no idea what to expect. Their reactions - from the opening scene ("Help Me-e-e-e-e" in the completely dark theater) - were similar to mine when I first saw it twenty years earlier on screen. Wow. It was an outstanding stage production. And surprisingly lost little in the transition from the screen.

I'm an athiest, too. And I loved so much about this movie. Incredible performances by so many. Especially Ted Neely and Carl Anderson.

(If Jesus is going to be black in the new production, is Judas going to be white? I can see Legend as Jesus. Who would do Judas justice? Maybe Neil Patrick Harris?)

And such powerful scenes. The choreography at the temple and at Herod's place. Judas' whole scene in the desert and the tanks coming over the dunes. Most of all when everyone - actors, camera men, everone - lined up, got on the bus, and drove off leaving the Jesus hanging there.

I knew when I first saw it in the '70s that most "Christians" would hate it and consider it blasphemous. Some would understand it. But the ones who needed this "message" most would hate the movie and completely ignore anything they might learn from it about Christianity and/or the human condition.

I watched the movie with my granddaughter's children a few years ago when they were about 9-10. I think it's time for us all to see it again.

Wat


underpants

(182,733 posts)
12. Yeah but I think Alice Cooper will help bring them back into accepting it
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 07:25 AM
Mar 2018

Wow John Legend, the first time I ever saw him was when he was the DJ on Ellen's show. I think he was the DJ when her syndicated show started. Just a few months later he had his first big hit.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
44. Brandon Victor Dixon, who played Aaron Burr
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 10:51 AM
Mar 2018

in Hamilton at one point is playing Judas.

Alice Cooper is King Herod and Sara Bareilles is Mary Magdalene.

FakeNoose

(32,616 posts)
24. John Legend is a very talented man
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 09:07 AM
Mar 2018

I don't know how religious he is, but I suspect it won't matter. Rightwing politics is about to take over and ruin his life.



sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
46. Weren't they the same ones...
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 11:00 AM
Mar 2018

That threw a 'fizzy hit' when they did an all black version of Wizard of Oz...using all black actors??? Who cares what those assholes thinks. I will enjoy watch heads explode. Can ya just imagine if they portrayed Jesus as a woman as well..

To cool...I have it on record.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
47. I know but our world/planet
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 12:50 PM
Mar 2018

finally would be able to access and have available all minds, wisdoms and advice, all linked to mutual human and animal survival. This planet is all we have. I think about and hope people are dedicated to saving 'Mother Earth and can...comets and asteroids notwithstanding....

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
27. Im sure they will try to ignore it or mock it but I am totally
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 09:19 AM
Mar 2018

excited about the happening!!
The music is riveting and powerful.
Legend will be amazing!

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
28. It is just a TV show. Everybody knows that Jesus was a blond haired Anglo. Paintings everywhere
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 09:25 AM
Mar 2018

Surely those can't be wrong. On a side note, I did get to see JCS after it had been playing for a couple of months. A girl I was dating (we were in college) got two tickets from her parents as a Christmas gift and we went during Christmas break. It was at some place called Hellfinger (or something like that) Theater. There was a black guy that played Judas, but I have no idea who it was. Jesus was most definitely white, but did have dark hair.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
37. Oh, probably. But, who really cares?
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 10:21 AM
Mar 2018

After seeing Ted Neely play the role both in the film and on-stage, it's hard for me to imagine anyone else in that role. I actually saw his last live performance of it in the Twin Cities a few years ago. He could no longer hit the high notes, so they were fed into the play from a recording and he lip-synced them. Sad.

A lot of evangelicals hated the play from the very beginning. That hatred has died off, pretty much, due to time, but I'm sure it will be revived by a black man playing Jesus.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
40. My favorite musical
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 10:32 AM
Mar 2018

Seen it on Broadway, then traveling in Tampa, North Charleston twice. Seen the original Jesus 3 times.

Can't wait to see John Legends take. Will be doing a sing a long here at the house. Feel free to stop by to munch on Jelly Beans and sing.

csziggy

(34,135 posts)
42. Cast of the 2018 version
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 10:48 AM
Mar 2018
Cast
Ben Daniels ... Pontius Pilate
Alice Cooper ... King Herod
John Legend ... Jesus
Brandon Victor Dixon ... Judas
Sara Bareilles ... Mary Magdalene
Norm Lewis ... Caiaphas
Erik Grönwall ... Simon Zealotes
Abby Corrigan ... Ensemble Soloist
Jason Tam ... Peter
Vince Oddo ... Apostle / Soloist
Jin Ha ... Annas
Syndee Winters ... Ensemble Soloist
Justin Gregory Lopez ... Ensemble Soloist
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6874964/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
45. Bdandon Dixon as Judas, Alice Cooper as Herod. Both AL Weber and T Rice are 'overseeing' this produc
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 10:59 AM
Mar 2018

There are preview clips and interviews with principals and backstage discussions on internet. Thought Brandon's view of Judas v interesting.

FakeNoose

(32,616 posts)
55. I disagree - it's the religious right who are going to freak
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 03:15 PM
Mar 2018

Nonbelievers won't care one way or the other. But showing Jesus as a black man? On national TV?
The Twitterworld is going to explode.

Personally I'm looking forward this production and I'm psyched for it. I love the music of Andrew Lloyd Webber and John Legend will be really good I'm sure.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
56. Im betting they dont for the most part.
Sat Mar 31, 2018, 03:28 PM
Mar 2018

I could be wrong. But the play has been around for so long and is an alternative POV anyway. Judas isn’t depicted as a creep and betrayer but someone genuinely worried about the revolution and that “superstar” status. Jesus is really conflicted. The disciples are easily led twits. And yet there’s appeal in making it more “modern” and being in front of audiences at all.

I really like it. But I like stories and songs and their place in the conversation.

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