Why do they make Jackie out to be a cartoon version of a liberal on Roseanne ?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

I live in SoCal so I come into contact with a lot of women who are anti-Trump. I have yet to meet one outside of a march who was wearing a pussy hat as if it's part of everyday garb.

Is she going to be Roseanne's foil ?

[B2G]

1. Jackie's character has always been like that.

They are supposed to completely change her show personality? How believable would that be?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. Except in the previous iteration of the series Roseanne was liberal too.

Now Roseanne is a sane character and Jackie is a bit of a loon and her foil.

Keeping with the theme of demeaning liberals Roseanne will "school" her liberal granddaughter in the next episode:

Link to tweet

[EffieBlack]

8. I can't wait to see what her black daughter-in-law calls her

Oh, wait a minute. Her black daughter-in-law is out of sight and silent.

How conveeeeeenient.

[B2G]

13. For the first installment, yes.

You have no idea how they might develop the character.

[Demsrule86]

115. She will insist on it showing her support for Trump...that is the entire point to normalize Trump.

[Hortensis]

57. Haven't watched but read that her part's been cast.

I haven't watched any of this but am getting intrigued. DJ married the black girl he didn't want to kiss in a play.



I want to hear, though, that there's at least one normal liberal like most of us, not a flaky right-wing charicature of the left, in the main cast and that this isn't Roseanne agitprop trying to fly under the radar as comedy.

[B2G]

59. Darlene, Roseanne's daughter.

And she's the smartest one of the bunch.

[Hortensis]

60. Good, thanks. She'd have to be, right?

[B2G]

63. Oh absolutely.

Her character is hilarious.

[B2G]

11. Did you watch the original series?

There was little to no politics even mentioned.

I saw the tweet. It sounds like she'll be schooling her on respect, not politics. I'll let you know since you won't be watching. Although I'm sure you will have a plethora of opinions.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Why would I watch

"...I'll let you know since you won't be watching..."

Why would I watch when she suggested all opponents of Trump, which I presume includes every member of this board, are pedophiles :

[B2G]

17. Maybe so you can discuss it intelligently?

Just a thought.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. How do

How do you have an intelligent discussion with someone who suggests all opponents of a political figure are pedophiles ?

[B2G]

23. I am able to separate the show from the actor.

And I will continue to watch because I love the writing and the cast, most of who are liberal.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. That's okay

I won't put money in the coffers of someone who suggests Trump opponents sexually assualt children.


Ratings = Money

[cwydro]

46. Unless youre a Nielson family,

no one knows or cares what you watch.

Jackie was NOT portrayed as unhinged.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

58. See post #56

Thank you in advance.

[Hortensis]

64. :) I had no intention of watching Roseanne either,

but reading from people who don't agree with her personally that the first episodes are good has changed my mind. I'll check it out. But otherwise, I'm inclined to agree on the value of opinionating on a show we haven't seen and don't intend to.

The original Roseanne show routinely addressed issues of working class life. I disagree with B2G that it didn't have a political agenda just because it didn't mention political labels. I saw it as a counterpoint to the uber-perfect picture being portrayed of the lives of upper-class Claire and Heathcliff Huxtable running mostly concurrently.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

67. The Cosbys existed to portray African Americans as successful an ...

The Cosbys existed to portray African Americans as successful and serious as an antidote to the sitcoms where they weren't. It was an aspirational program.

[Hortensis]

75. Yes, it was. And similarly the Obamas lived their lives

scrupulously cleanly both because it comes naturally to them but also in good part for much the same reasons -- to not provide enemies ammunition and as living examples of who successful black people are.

But the fact is that in portraying the Huxtables that way, The Cosby Show was more than a little bit a 1980s black version of the 1950s' Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet. Claire was a career woman who didn't need a housekeeper because her beautiful home was always immaculate and whose children never got away with anything--she maintained connections with a web of spies in her neighborhood. I often felt they were giving parenting lessons.

When the Roseanne show started a few years later, it provided a strong working class counterpoint to all that unattainable upper middle class perfection and complete lack of financial worries. No accident.

[misanthrope]

110. Yeah, the Huxtables' materialism could be grating

I recall an episode wherein one daughter and her son wanted to take a break from pursuing careers in medicine and law in order to open an "outdoors store." Claire and Cliff made their condescension and disapproval known.

I found it odd parents would be so negative about their child wanting to branch into entrepreneurship. You would think they would be willing to help them craft a business plan and approach it in a reasoned fashion rather than reflexively look down their noses at them.

When considering it further, it was an odd behavior to write into a script considering Cosby's path to success -- stand-up comedy and entertainment -- is so tenuous and flighty as to make retail ownership look rock steady in comparison.

[misanthrope]

108. The unintended consequence of that show

were the white folks I knew who used it as rationale for their willful ignorance toward racism. "See, all them blacks is doing just fine. Ain't no problems no more."

[RandomAccess]

102. Good post

I'll look forward to your review. I've seen people trash the whole show because of Roseanne, without having seen it or even read decent reviews. It's their choice, but they're speaking out of a certain level of ignorance on the subject. Heck, I think even the writers are the original ones.

[Honeycombe8]

141. Has there been a reboot of The Cosby Show in this mid-term year, to push a candidate?

I missed that.

[jumptheshadow]

100. You're in the wrong decade

Our entertainment choices are monitored down to the Nth degree, and not just by Nielsen, for advertising, decision-making and contract negotiation purposes. You think that the dish networks and cable companies don't monitor or care about which programs we watch, especially when there are millions of dollars riding on our decisions? Is it your view that they don't care about which platforms -- live TV, on demand, or apps -- attract the most usage?

[AdamGG]

132. I think Nielsen samples are still the method for calculating ratings and determining ad rates

https://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/question433.htm

If cable/satellite companies are monitoring what you watch, it's not the data that is used for the ratings that matter.

[jumptheshadow]

138. It's evolving

http://variety.com/2017/tv/features/nielsen-total-content-ratings-1202027752/

Indeed, TV seems poised to enter a post-Nielsen era in which networks use their own methods to arrive at different types of ratings. Nielsen may no longer be a one-stop shop for measurement at a time when the industry is eager to go beyond simple demographics. But such overall ratings likely will remain a key ingredient amid a more diverse mix of metrics that could also mean more influence for measurement rivals like comScore. To keep the mass numbers that big-spending advertisers need, media companies are likely to broaden the set of tools they use to verify audiences scattered across the plethora of screens.

[bettyellen]

69. In this case the lead driver of the show is having a public mental breakdown, so its hard for

Some of us to separate. shes truly gone round some sort of brainwashed bend. So she’s on a list of things I’m not going to normalize or support.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

70. bettyellen, more than one poster on this thread has attacked me in defense of Roseanne Barr.

I am doing my best not to respond in kind.

Next thing you know they will be attacking me for not patronizing the work of Scott Baio, Ted Nugent, Antonio Sabato, and Kid Rock.

[bettyellen]

73. People get weirdly passionate about their entertainment, dont they?

I was never a huge fan, so it’s easy for me. But yeah, the comments here are pretty mean spirited. I think people are a feeling a bit defensive about it, and it’s weird. Fans, meh.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

74. I have tried to limit my criticism to Roseanne and not the people here who like her.

It would be nice if the people here who like her extended the same courtesy to me and the others who don't.

[bettyellen]

77. I saw that. No one can accuse these fans of keeping it classy I guess.

My thinking is either she is cynically trolling us to appear relevant, or she’s really gone round the bend. Either way, there’s too much rancor and ignorance out there now to think there’s anything special or interesting about it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

78. Roseanne has been making these tweets for a long time.

The interesting thing is how many of them she has deleted. This suggests she knows what she's doing.

[bettyellen]

79. Yeah, I think like a lot of his supporters she likes to get a reaction from liberals...

Which is why I just SMH and ignore her.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

81. That is a lot of the appeal of Trump too. They like him because he upsets liberals.

Trump and Roseanne should upset everybody with a sense of right and wrong, not just liberals.

[Demsrule86]

85. It is beyond me how anyone can like Roseanne.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

86. You will get no argument from me.

I did watch the first iteration of Roseanne from time to time but I was never a devoted viewer.

[AdamGG]

133. Her original show and her 80's stand-up were good

I don't have much patience for normalizing Trump, but she did some quality work in the past.

[Demsrule86]

136. I saw some videos of her working with Rodney Dangerfield. I thought they were good. I

was never a fan of the first show for the same reason I didn't like Married with Children...it seemed to celebrate ignorance.

[Cha]

124. Exactly, Bettyellen. There is no separation

between the CT Lying trump pushing idiot and her stupid show pushing to normalize trump.

Link to tweet

Why give that shite for brains ratings for abc.

[bettyellen]

126. Like too many in the MSM media (like the NYT) she is trolling us for clicks and Im not falling for

it. I really don’t care if she’s greedy or lost part of her mind. The results the same, it’s flinging the same hateful propaganda.

[lunatica]

71. In that case the Deplorables will boycott the show for being liberal.

I don’t see a long run for this show. Trying to unite the Trumpites with liberals (everyone else) won’t work for the same reason we don’t like it, only the reasons are from the other side.

Any attempt at showing the middle in our polarized populace will fail on both sides.

[Demsrule86]

84. The show suggested that Trump saved their house...how is that liberal?

[Honeycombe8]

144. You do understand that the show is one loooong advertisement for Trump in a mid-term year?

That's no accident.

It doesn't matter what the supporting cast is. All that matters is Roseanne. She controls everything, even the writing.

She called Huma Abedeen, Hillary's assistant married to Anthony Weiner, a "filthy Nazi wh__re." https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/opinions/trump-likes-roseanne-barr-of-course-he-does-obeidallah/index.html

A person who said that, in public no less, has started a show that contains pro-Trump propaganda, that will last leading up to the 2020 election. And some Democrats are saying they're okay with that?

Advertising works. That's why companies spend billions on it. Roseanne show is one long advertisement, and it WILL have an effect. It already has.

[Kath2]

27. Disgusting.

She has totally lost it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. I wouldn't even say that about Deplorables. It's just silly,

[Honeycombe8]

140. +1. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

142. She called Huma Abedin a "filthy Nazi wh--e" and said Islam was a " rape pedo culture."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/opinions/trump-likes-roseanne-barr-of-course-he-does-obeidallah/index.html

[Honeycombe8]

143. OMG. She's worse than I thought. nt

[CatMor]

2. I don't watch the show but I saw a photo......

of a scene with her wearing the hat and t-shirt and she looked ridiculous. I do think it's being done deliberately. It's one thing to wear the hat and t-shirt in a march but to portray it as every day attire is not realistic.

[B2G]

5. She was wearing it to hack off Roseanne.

Not to portray it as 'every day attire'. They hadn't spoken since the election, so she had them on when they first met after a year.

Which you would know if you had seen the show.

[CatMor]

16. That was probably the wrong way to do it....

but it's only a TV show, not worth fighting over.

[cwydro]

52. Check out post 38.

Those of us who are not obsessed with this are being called names now.

[B2G]

55. Lol. Consider the source.

Paper thin skin is running rampant.

[Honeycombe8]

145. No. I saw the trailer. Jackie was wild eyed, acting crazy, while Roseanne was seated

and speaking in a normal voice tone with a smile on her face.

That's called advertising and propaganda.

But you know that. And you approve, apparently.

[Proud liberal 80]

3. Yeah I didnt like that

Seems like they want to make liberals look crazy and irrational, while trump supporters are calm and rational

[Cary]

4. "They" pander to 18 million #fakepresident cult followers

"They" know suckers when they see them.

[Demsrule86]

116. yep...and those who want to be 'fair'.

[ornotna]

7. Not surprised

After all, in real life Roseanne is a cartoon character of a human being.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Except she's the sane one on the series.

[B2G]

20. Actually her daughter Darla is the sanest.

Her very liberal daughter.

[Tipperary]

47. You clearly have not seen the show.

How funny you keep commenting on something you have not viewed.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. I will be the bigger poster...

I will be the bigger poster, take the high road, and not respond in kind, for now.

[Honeycombe8]

146. Who? nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

148. Roseanne is depicted as everywoman.

In the Roseanne reboot, Barr decides to play a calm, reasonable Trump voter, relegating the role of Hillary supporter to Metcalf, who, true to her character’s emotional precedent, portrays Jackie as weak and incapable of making strong decisions on her own.

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a19635281/roseanne-reboot-2018-review/

[Honeycombe8]

150. No, she's not. She's portrayed as a "sensible, truth-oriented Trumper." There aren't many of those..

In fact, someone who likes truth cannot, by definition, be a Trumper.

It's fake. It's propaganda. One long Trump advertisement.

Apparently it's working. Advertisements work. That's why Trump loves it. He's pushed the show twice on stage, that I know of. And called her to congratulate her. He knows what you do not, apparently. Advertising works.

Look for his poll numbers to go up. And Democrat success in the mid-terms to go down, as Roseanne pushes Trumpers to be enthusiastic and vote.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

151. I'm a bit confused.

In the series Roseanne, the Deplorable, is portrayed as grounded. Jackie, a member of the #resistance, is portrayed as unhinged.

[Honeycombe8]

152. Exactly. Propaganda. A fake advertisement for Trump.

She is not in reality a "sensible" person, since she's a Trumper. But they're TRYING to present her in a way that glorifies Trumpers and presents her as someone who a Trumper wants to be or sees themselves. But she does not portray the average working woman, in reality. Most average working women are not Trumpers.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

153. Roseanne and her vile tweets are annoying and disgusting.

That being said I have a lot of faith in the resistance. It will take more than her series to derail us/ them.

[Honeycombe8]

154. Make no mistake: It will have an effect. That's one of the purposes of it, so says Roseanne.

Advertisement WORKS. It absolutely does. It doesn't have to be true to work.

"A great time for my new/old tv show!"

In Barr’s own words, “J edgar comey, millions of ‘feminists’ marching in support of women’s subordination,& leftys opposing Russia? gr8 time 4my new/old tv show!”

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/opinions/trump-likes-roseanne-barr-of-course-he-does-obeidallah/index.html

I don't know why I bother, if Democrats now are supporting Trumpers.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

155. "I don't know why I bother..."

"I don't know why I bother, if Democrats now are supporting Trumpers. "


-Honeycombe8

Is it not our job to lead these poor misguided souls out of the darkness ?


I feel like the Apostle Paul. I fought the good fight. I finished the race. I kept my faith.

[Honeycombe8]

156. This isn't the only thing. Posters are positing wacko RW "alternative theories," & Democrats

are responding, "Well, we should consider all theories." Even when posters are citing as sources RW hack sites that plainly state "Donald Trump for President."

Seriously...the infiltration is amazing. I don't see a way around that, when even Democrats are now going along with Trump.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

157. There are people here suggesting Trump ended sex trafficking and/or Pizzagate was real ?

My work here has become even more important.

[jalan48]

10. ABC must be making money off of the show. Are there any sitcoms that parody the Trump crowd on TV?

[mucifer]

12. ABC is making money off the show and making money off trump

[jalan48]

22. I agree. That's what it about.

[mucifer]

24. And Roseanne herself is getting her huge tax break

[B2G]

14. Ever heard of SNL?

Not a sitcom per se, but comedy just the same.

[jalan48]

21. I always thought of SNL as more late night TV. Isn't Rosanne prime time? I was thinking more of that

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. Do you watch Shameless ?

There was an episode where one of the characters was searching for his roots and went back to his home in the Holler. It was funny.

[nolabear]

31. Did you note Darlenes daughter is from Shameless?

It’s a perfect role for her.

[jalan48]

34. i haven't seen that one-thanks. I'll try and find it on Hulu.

[leftynyc]

41. Will and Grace

Is overtly liberal.

[jalan48]

42. Thanks, I haven't seen it but I have heard of it. Does it put down the conservative Trump crowd?

[leftynyc]

134. They've been making fun

of "flyover" country since the last time the show was on - as New Yorkers have been known to do.

[Tipperary]

48. Will and grace do it constantly.

They also have a pro-trump character.

[jalan48]

49. Thanks. I'm going to watch it.

[former9thward]

18. The same reason they make all characters to be cartoon versions of real people.

If you showed people as they really are it would be boring and unfunny. That model doesn't work for a sit-com.

[Lint Head]

26. She's the Meathead to Archie (Rosanne).

[regnaD kciN]

103. The analogy would hold up...

...IF All in the Family had instead been The Carroll O'Connor Show, IF the aforementioned lead actor had been an outspoken racist and right-winger in real life, and IF the show was therefore designed so that the star's character always got the good lines and always prevailed in debate.

Not. Quite. The. Same. Thing.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

107. Good point. Carroll O'Connor was a liberal.

The ironic thing is a lot of people empathized with Archie. I would also add Archie grew in his role and wasn't same bigot at the end he was in the beginning.

[Lint Head]

109. No and I didn't intend to say it was the same thing. What I'm implying is that the writers

and the producers and money folk think All in the Family was a hit so they intended to use that formula. Not realizing that the actor and the role mean something in this situation.
Formula is the stuff made of television. Television productions will run a formula into the ground to the point where there is no longer a formula just a stain of its former existence.

[Honeycombe8]

147. Not at all. But nice try. Archie's views were made fun of. Meathead was the sensible one.

In the trailer I saw, it was the opposite. Jackie and her views were portrayed as wild eye and wacko, complete with a pink knit cap worn inside to eat dinner with family, while Roseanne (seated, speaking in a normal voice, with a smile) is portrayed as the sensible one.

We have come full circle. What should be horrendous viewpoints (like Archie) are being normalized and portrayed as the sensible viewpoint. Trump is portrayed as the good guy. It's an advertisement for Trump.

Advertisements work. That's why companies pay billions for them. And this one will last for months or years, right up to the 2020 election.

This is why Trump called Roseanne to congratulate her, and pushed the show at least twice on stage.

[Lint Head]

158. .

[link:http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10436767|

[nolabear]

30. Because its comedy?

Jackie has been an enthusiastic supporter of everything she’s ever done. She was a cop and plunged into that every much as fully. It was funny but admirable. It still is. She reached out to her sister and apologized and loved Roseanne anyway when she couldn’t.

I can’t understand why our liberal brethren insist on being offended by her. Jackie was, and is, a decent, funny, emotional human being who has a huge heart and is the perfect foil for Roseanne’s tight, bitchy conviction that it’s her way or the highway-which is never, of course, the case. And that’s the point.

[B2G]

32. Nice to see someone gets it.

[nolabear]

33. Im a huge fan of jesters and holy fools.

[Kali]

106. ...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. Could you cite the rule in comedy that mandates liberal characters have to appear unhinged ?

Thank you in advance.

[nolabear]

39. Comedy is about defying rules. I only know one.

“Punch up.” We can take it because we are mighty.

[Tipperary]

44. She did not appear unhinged. She was her usual Jackie character.

You have not seen the show. How silly to comment on it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. See post #58

Thank you in advance.

[Tipperary]

98. I watched the show. Unlike you.

Why is Roseanne more important to you than Stephon Clark? Did she refuse you an autograph at some point?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

99. "Did she refuse you an autograph at some point? "

Never had the displeasure of meeting her. I do have Muhammad Ali's autograph. That's worth 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Roseanne's autographs. That being said I will take the high road, be the better person, and not respond in kind.

[GusBob]

40. Since you seem to enjoy the show, and I don't watch

Perhaps you could answer this:

It has been reported as an "incredibly honest" and "accurate" portrayal of family life in Trumps America. Trump himself in a recent speech says "it's about us! ......they don't get it" (they being the 18 million viewers, I guess....interesting choice of words given the post 32 above)

Yet the lead character is toned down from her real-life points of view and the liberal character is amped up to be made a jester and a fool


Do you think it is an accurate depiction of family life in Trumps America?

[nolabear]

87. I think its a caricature too.

There are many, many “Trump’s Americas.” I think the show is a story about one type of family that could be Trump voters. And it tries to show that particular type with possible options.

My impression of the Connors is they’re shown as people who can’t manage their own convictions, for bad and good. There’s a scene where they go looking for their gun because there are kids around now. They have one (a philosophical choice) but it’s in the freezer in an ice cream container that they’ve long forgotten (they can’t live up to the philosophical ideal). They clearly would oppose Obamacare but can’t afford their meds so have to share (which is so sad and stupid).

Note that I think Roseanne herself is and has always been an interesting kind of “crazy.” She seems to have a really compartmentalized mind and when she’s in one state she’s in it all the way. And the states don’t have a lot of continuity.

People will project what they respond to into the characters and flesh them out far beyond what they actually show. It’s what we do. Will Roseanne normalize 45? No, I don’t think so. At one time she might have but there are too many characters out there now. She’ll be a character and no more. The people doing actual good and harm in real life are a whole different story.

[GusBob]

122. Thank you for your reply

[RandomAccess]

105. Good grief. It's a COMEDY, not a documentary

Do you think it is an accurate depiction of family life in Trumps America?

Exaggeration and caricature are widely used in comedy.

This is wrong too:

Yet the lead character is toned down from her real-life points of view and the liberal character is amped up to be made a jester and a fool

Again, it's not a documentary so Roseanne's character doesn't need to match her real life persona. Nor is Jackie "amped up to be made a jester and a fool." Its a comedy. For the most part, they are ALL likely to get to play the fool eventually (well, maybe not the little kids).

I can tell you this -- I have never considered myself working class (blue collar), but I've always found humor and entertainment in the show. Some of Roseanne's cracks, or Jackie's, or Dan's have resonated with me. I think that means that it reflects one layer of life in America whether Trump's POTUS or not, and that the writers are very talented.

[GusBob]

121. Dude I am just referencing things I read posted on Du

Take it up with VOX, the NTTimes and Trump

And I didn't call Jackie a jester or fool. Read that here too. Post 33

[DemocratSinceBirth]

127. Hang in there Gus.

Since this is Easter let me say you fought the good fight, you finished the race, and you kept your faith.

[Puzzledtraveller]

45. Hear, hear

I have family more liberal than me, and I make that distinction for a reason as I am probably moderate in comparison and they really liked the show and understood it was all caricature in parts and equally so because that's how we laugh at ourselves. When it mattered, like when she had a "heart to heart" with Jackie and accompanied Mark to school the show got it right. I think an overreaction on our part would not serves us in the end. Aside from it being absurd, in my own opinion. I was actually not a fan of the original for reasons not related to politics as I was mostly apolitical at the time it ran, and I really enjoyed it this time.

[Tipperary]

50. You said that perfectly.

It is sad that people who have not seen the show keep on making comments on it.

[Honeycombe8]

149. It's propaganda couched in comedic terms. It's pro-Trump propaganda, intended to advertise...

the brand right up to the 2020 election.

Popaganda is something people want to watch. Otherwise, it wouldn't work. No matter it present a false view (like Roseanne's pro-Trump views being presented as the sensible viewpoint, with her seated & speaking in a normal voice, while Jackie is presented standing up, acting wildly and wild-eyed, speaking loudly but no facts stated).

It's so obvious. But apparently it's working. Look at the Democrats in this forum who can't see it for what it is. Gotta hand it to 'em. They finally found a way to crack the wall against authoritarianism, Trumpism, and Russia.

Watch for his poll numbers to go up.

[Blue_Adept]

35. Sitcoms by their very nature are cartoonish

It's meant to go beyond the norm while playing with heart in the mix.

There are a range of sitcoms, and we've seen more "dramedys" in the last decade that changes the perspective a bit.

It's also a very basic thing in that the longer a series runs, the more cartoonish it gets. Compare first and ninth seasons of Modern Family for example.

[onecaliberal]

36. Roseanne is a pathetic excuse for a human. She does not portray conservatives in a good light.

There is no good Republican voter. Not one.

[BannonsLiver]

38. Ive noticed that as well

What I’ve also noticed is the show primarily appeals to low info types which exist in every corner of the political spectrum.

[cwydro]

51. Oooh. Insulting those who disagree with you.

Classy.

And pathetic.

[BannonsLiver]

62. Im sorry you feel that way.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. Well

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10436128

[DemocratSinceBirth]

65. Well

The only difference between some posters and the poster you are deriding is he doesn't couch his attacks in passive aggressive language.

[Tipperary]

43. You seem obsessed with this. I missed out on all this as it began last week, but I see you

have posted numerous threads. You say you have not seen the show, so you are commenting without knowledge.

Funny, I have seen a gazillion threads on Roseanne, but few on the Stephon Clark shooting. Apparently, many here are simply obsessed with celebrities and their idiocy, while ignoring real life injustice and true outrage,

[Blue_Adept]

53. And even less on various primaries underway

I keep wishing that the Elections 2018 forum would open so I could put this one on ignore for awhile.

[Tipperary]

96. But Roseanne seems to be the hot topic for this op.

Close to a dozen ops by my count, numerous postings of the despicable “cookie” photo. Not a peep about Stephon Clark. Priorities I guess.

[LAS14]

97. I think there are so many Roseanne threads because it...

... is a topic where DUers can legitimately disagree. There's the "artist vs art" thing. There's the "it's comedy vs why is Jackie portrayed so crazy" thing. There's the "real life vs not in my world" thing. There's not much to debate on DU about Stephon Clark. We pretty much agree and are limited to expressing our outrage.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

112. Now you are talking about me "behind my back"

"But Roseanne seems to be the hot topic for this op.
Close to a dozen ops by my count..."

-Tipperary

But as I have repeatedly said I will take the high road, be the bigger poster, and not respond in kind, for now.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. See post #56

Thank you in advance.

[regnaD kciN]

104. Because, of course, progressives can only think about one particular issue at a time...

Seriously, this "why should anyone talk about a TV show because Stephon Clark?" line is really Whataboutism at its "finest."

[DemocratSinceBirth]

117. Hmmmm

"Whataboutism " is the usual province of what group ?

[Oneironaut]

54. Sitcoms usually have uninspired stereotypes for characters.

[LAS14]

72. Because it's a comedy. Roseanne is just as over the top. Dan and Darleen hold it steady. nt

[BannonsLiver]

76. Who knew an Obama hating Trumpkin could engender so much love here

Reading some of the passionate defenses of an obvious low brow trump humping shit stain on humanity like Roseanne, I’m reminded of this character:



The devotion gets creepier by the minute.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

80. I am reluctant to speak ill

I am reluctant speak ill of our fellow members but it is interesting to see Roseanne/Trump detractors derided on a progressive board

[nolabear]

90. If I could Id try for a real honest conversation re that.

I think in part it’s a very understandable fear, and a real problem. It’s that poem/song that asshole likes to quote. If you’re liberal and progressive you’re the woman who takes the sneaky, venomous snake in and you sow the seeds of your own destruction. But if you seek to destroy those who want to oppose your ideals and rights you become them.

It’s a dilemma far more for liberals than right wingers, who do indeed seem happy to let a fascist government suppress others and can’t imaginr the price they’ll ultimately pay.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

91. I don't like Roseanne's views as expressed by her vile tweets.

For that reason alone I won't watch her series. More than one poster in this thread has personally attacked me for holding those views. I have done my best to not personally attack those here who like her.

I am not calling for a boycott because I believe it would be futile. I am using this forum to vent about her.

[LAS14]

93. There's a difference between those who like her and those who like the show. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

94. If someone said she is very successful would it be fair to assume that person liked her ?

[nolabear]

95. Makes sense to me. We should be able to talk about those things.

I’ll watch because I’m really curious and as a writer I have a lifelong fascination with why. Why everything! 🤔

[misanthrope]

111. It's not as much a "progressive board" as it is a "Democrat's board"

I've seen that distinction made clear in the past when posters have shown allegiance to progressive ideals over party loyalty.

[Cha]

125. It's a Democratic Board. Our Democratic Principles are

"Progressive".. We want Progress and we go about working for it.

[nolabear]

89. Youre making so much more out of it.

Speaking for myself, I don’t give her that much power. She’s an interesting topic for conversation right now mostly because of all the sturm und drang surrounding her. She’ll provide that and someone else will provide something else and we’ll go on. With luck in real life we'll go on to make life better for ourselves and others. Even the ones who fight us on it.

[liberalnarb]

101. Shes a fucking traitor. Used to be on the left.

I remember reading an article that called her "The Red Queen" as she once described herself as a Socialist.

[GusBob]

123. Yeah this one trips me right out

If you haven't watched the fictional TV show, shut up about the real person

That's when it's time to put down your remote

[DemocratSinceBirth]

128. Would you say Roseanne has fans in the strangest of places ?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

130. Check out this now deleted tweet

Trump is fighting pedophiles and he likes Jews-that infuriates some people.

— Roseanne Barr (@therealroseanne) December 28, 2017


http://www.towleroad.com/2017/12/roseanne-trump/

[Demsrule86]

82. Because it is a hit job on Liberals as well as an attempt to normalize Trump.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

83. I will do an impromptu poll.

Is a pussyhat part of your everyday attire ?

What do you think is the motive behind suggesting that it is everyday attire for women with liberal views ?

[Demsrule86]

113. We wore it to the march...haven't had it on except for the other march since then.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

114. So would be it fair for me to conclude it isn't part of your everyday attire ?

[Demsrule86]

137. No, I don't go out and deliberately make trouble. I am a "I hate what you say but will defend

it to the death kind of liberal". I wear my pink sweatshirt and hat at protests against Trump and for immigration...I didn't wear it at the March for our lives protest in Youngstown...because it is about the kids. I merely carried a sign. Roseanne has every right to attempt to 'normalize' Trump, but I have the right not to support it....same with Laura Ingraham.

[HopeAgain]

88. Why would anyone watch Roseanne?

[samnsara]

92. the shows just as crappy the second time around

[benld74]

118. Roseanne today is the Archie Bunker of the 70s

Archie loved, America, Nixon, the flag
Hated people the opposite of himself

Roseanne isn’t as bad
She voices similar things

Intelligent people should be able to
Read between the lines

I did as a teen with Archie,,,,

[BannonsLiver]

119. Apples and oranges

First, Caroll O’Connor was actually talented. Two, in real life he was a liberal. In real life Roseanne is a goose stepping fascist halfwit.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

120. Caroll O'Connor hated his Archie Bunker character

https://books.google.com/books?id=EKU_a86MK2YC&pg=PT348&lpg=PT348&dq=carroll+o%27connor+george+mcgovern&source=bl&ots=Yskp6SnNN3&sig=MNKHAY4rqrW4MfSzYyF9652QA-g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwii9ZO84JfaAhUVzWMKHe4bDGYQ6AEIVzAM#v=onepage&q=carroll%20o'connor%20george%20mcgovern&f=false

[JI7]

135. the character was also portrayed as a a joke and bigot

with roseanne it's the opposite. real life ass while trying to make her and other trump supporters out to be something other than what they really are.

"we almost lost the house" bs.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

139. Yeah, that too.

[ChoppinBroccoli]

129. Because The Writing Is Terrible

The political stuff was crowbarred into the show in such a hamfisted way that it lost all its authenticity. It felt like if your friend invited you to a get-together, and then when you got there, you found out the get-together was just a ruse to sell Tupperware or Avon or Amway or whatever people try to foist on their friends these days. It was like, "Oh, you liked the potato salad? Well just think how much you'll like it TOMORROW when you enjoy it out of your.........brand new Tupperware food storage system!!!"

The reason people liked the old "Roseanne" show years ago because it felt authentic, like a real, working class family. This version of the show is written so terribly, that it just feels like a vehicle for SOMEONE to force their political beliefs on an unsuspecting audience.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

131. I am not advocating a boycott of Roseanne

However why is a boycott of Laura Ingraham for her noxious tweets justified but a boycott of Roseanne for her noxious tweets not justified ? Is it because some people find the latter funny?


Oh, they both attacked David Hogg in a tweet. Ingraham attacked David for not getting into the college of his choice, Barr said Hogg gave a NAZI salute.

[customerserviceguy]

159. She was Roseanne's foil during the original show

Also, the Jackie character was written to be a bit flighty, always trying to find herself by trying out various occupations that she ended up leaving. The "life coach" theme fits in with that, especially since Jackie has never been a 100% stable individual.

The pussy hat and the T shirt were not meant to be "everyday garb", but a political statement for meeting up with Roseanne for the first time since the election. It was a pre-planned visit to pick up Darlene for a job interview.

I was amused by the show, I can laugh at humor from whatever side it's presented from.