Thu Apr 12, 2018, 05:55 PM
ProudLib72 (17,984 posts)
DU Logicians, Need Help Naming a Fallacy
This came up the other day. I know well enough that it is a fallacy, put I'm having difficulty nailing down the exact name of the fallacy.
Here goes: George likes cats. Cats are animals. Therefore, George must like all animals. It seems like generalization, but examples I've been looking at don't quite match up. ![]()
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ProudLib72 | Apr 2018 | OP |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2018 | #1 | |
ProudLib72 | Apr 2018 | #7 | |
oberliner | Apr 2018 | #2 | |
Aristus | Apr 2018 | #3 | |
leftieNanner | Apr 2018 | #4 | |
triron | Apr 2018 | #5 | |
unblock | Apr 2018 | #6 | |
ProudLib72 | Apr 2018 | #8 | |
unblock | Apr 2018 | #12 | |
yonder | Apr 2018 | #16 | |
Xipe Totec | Apr 2018 | #9 | |
ProudLib72 | Apr 2018 | #17 | |
Xipe Totec | Apr 2018 | #20 | |
ProudLib72 | Apr 2018 | #21 | |
Fortinbras Armstrong | Apr 2018 | #10 | |
Exotica | Apr 2018 | #11 | |
Shrek | Apr 2018 | #13 | |
ProudLib72 | Apr 2018 | #18 | |
janx | Apr 2018 | #14 | |
Major Nikon | Apr 2018 | #15 | |
ProudLib72 | Apr 2018 | #19 | |
Wounded Bear | Apr 2018 | #22 | |
ProudLib72 | Apr 2018 | #23 | |
Wounded Bear | Apr 2018 | #24 |
Response to ProudLib72 (Original post)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 05:56 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,646 posts)
1. It's a syllogism
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #1)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:08 PM
ProudLib72 (17,984 posts)
7. Yes, I wrote it as such
If reversed, then it is true. The way it is written here is not true. So the question is, what makes it untrue this way?
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Response to ProudLib72 (Original post)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 05:56 PM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
2. Sounds like association fallacy
Premise A is a B
Premise A is also a C Conclusion Therefore, all Bs are Cs |
Response to ProudLib72 (Original post)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 05:57 PM
Aristus (61,131 posts)
3. I think that's just a straight-up logical fallacy.
You used a linear, logical progression to come to the conclusion, but the conclusion is fallacious.
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Response to ProudLib72 (Original post)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 05:57 PM
leftieNanner (13,345 posts)
4. It's backwards
George likes all animals
Cats are animals Therefore, George likes cats. |
Response to leftieNanner (Reply #4)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 05:59 PM
triron (20,901 posts)
5. that would be logically true
Response to ProudLib72 (Original post)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:02 PM
unblock (51,214 posts)
6. Fallacy of composition.
Response to unblock (Reply #6)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:16 PM
ProudLib72 (17,984 posts)
8. I thought fallacy of composition was
Hydrogen is not wet
Oxygen is not wet Therefore H2O must not be wet Fallacy of composition is one that seems similar. Now you see my quandary? I never studied logical fallacies in a formal setting, and they all seem so appealing to me! ![]() |
Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #8)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:26 PM
unblock (51,214 posts)
12. Whenever you take a property of an element of a set and attribute it to the entire set
That's the fallacy of composition.
Oxygen is a gas at room temperature, Oxygen is a member of the set of elements in h2o, Therefore h2o is a gas at room temperature. George likes cats Cats are members of the set of all animals George like all animals Same structure. |
Response to unblock (Reply #6)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 07:56 PM
yonder (8,386 posts)
16. I've been trying to learn more about informal fallacies. That would be my answer too. Dunno though.
Fallacy of composition:
If one person in a group stands to get a better view, then all people who stand would get a better view. False |
Response to ProudLib72 (Original post)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:20 PM
Xipe Totec (43,668 posts)
9. You need the illustrated book of bad arguments
https://almossawi.com/bookofbadarguments.html But yours, specifically, is generalization from the particulars. |
Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #9)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 07:56 PM
ProudLib72 (17,984 posts)
17. That looks like a REALLY good book
I teach my composition students a few each semester, but we never go very deep. I wonder if they would like an illustrated book with pigs and rabbits committing heinous logical fallacies. I wish we offered a critical thinking class.
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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #17)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:23 PM
Xipe Totec (43,668 posts)
20. I liked it so much I gave it as a gift to my college age niece. nt
Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #20)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:28 PM
ProudLib72 (17,984 posts)
21. I just ordered a copy!
I have a 15 year old niece who might find it useful (once I'm finished with it
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Response to ProudLib72 (Original post)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:24 PM
Fortinbras Armstrong (4,473 posts)
10. The only conclusion one can draw is
George likes some animals.
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Response to ProudLib72 (Original post)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:25 PM
Exotica (1,461 posts)
11. It is a fallacy of degree. It goes from non universal statements in the
first two clauses, to a universal statement in the third.
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Response to ProudLib72 (Original post)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:26 PM
Shrek (3,749 posts)
13. Illicit major n/t
Response to Shrek (Reply #13)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:01 PM
ProudLib72 (17,984 posts)
18. That looks very much like my syllogism. Thanks!
1. All dogs are mammals
2. No cats are dogs 3. Therefore, no cats are mammals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illicit_major ![]() |
Response to ProudLib72 (Original post)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:29 PM
janx (24,128 posts)
14. It is a non sequitur in the form
of an illogical
syllogism. Illogical because the logic and categories are backwards. |
Response to ProudLib72 (Original post)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:37 PM
Major Nikon (36,141 posts)
15. You can have a lot of fun with associative logic
God is love
Love is blind Ergo Stevie Wonder is god. |
Response to Major Nikon (Reply #15)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:07 PM
ProudLib72 (17,984 posts)
19. Oh no! I feel a thread about tRump using associative logic coming on
Not starting it here and now, though.
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Response to ProudLib72 (Original post)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:41 PM
Wounded Bear (54,886 posts)
22. A camel is always a mammal...
but a mammal ain't always a camel.
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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #22)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:45 PM
ProudLib72 (17,984 posts)
23. Fake News!
Sometimes a camel is a cigarette!
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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #23)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:48 PM
Wounded Bear (54,886 posts)
24. Got me there...
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