How close are we to the end of the Trump presidency?

[IluvPitties]

I sense it is unraveling quickly and might be over before the year ends. What do you think?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. It can't end soon enough.

Tonight works for me.

[dchill]

2. Not close enough. Regardless.

[SoCalMusicLover]

3. Only 33 Months Remaining

Unless the Russians help him win a 2nd term.

Those of you expecting him to end up in jail, or thrown out of the Presidency, should buy a lottery ticket. Better odds.

[sarisataka]

10. This is the reality

So many people seem to be incapable of grasping. We are stuck in this situation and best we can do is limit the damage until it runs its course.

[marble falls]

23. Sadly, before we drop cheetolini, we got to get Pence his walking papers, too.

[dmr]

50. I agree. It troubles me that Pence is,

or seems to be flying under the radar.

He was a failed (and unreelectable) governor who worked with Manafort to bamboozle Trump into choosing him as his running mate.

Remember Manafort pretended Trump's plane needed repairs so during their layover they met with Pence (and Mother) who were in on the ruse, waiting and ready to give Trump his salespitch.

This scenario has always troubled me, and for the life if me I can't see why this hasn't been made into a bigger deal.

IMHO, the smell of Russia is all over this.

As much as Trump sickens me, the thought of Pence taking over the reigns also sickens me. Pence has that old-fashion Christian Republicaness about him that could/would have broad appeal to their voters; and because he's been a loyal sycophant, Trump's 30% backwash supporters will support him, too. The GOP could sell him. Pence would continue to destroy our wonderful nation.

[Freddie]

30. And vote like our lives depend on it

Nov. 6. The only way we can limit the damage is to get congress back.

[elocs]

28. I think that a lot of people on the Left have such unreasonably high expectations

about what will happen to Trump that unless he is marched off to prison in handcuffs they will be disappointed. Much like Fitzmas where so many on the Left were gloating about how Bush and Cheney would be frog-marched to The Hague.

[BigmanPigman]

4. What, does someone see him standing on a ledge?

I would yell, "JUMP!".

[bearsfootball516]

6. Haha.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

5. However close, not close enough.

[marylandblue]

7. Not sure. Republicans in Congress have to abandon him

And they are not doing anything so far.

[Matthew28]

8. Unless

The at least 15 republicans join us next year...He will probably serve out his term.

[PunksMom]

9. My damn mind cant take much more

nuff said 😩

[Yavin4]

11. How close are we to a Trump Autocracy?

This thing could swing either way.

[irisblue]

12. Not enough nt

[tosh]

13. Add me to the chorus!

Not close enough!!

[oberliner]

14. About 6 and a half years

[marble falls]

20. How'dya figure?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. On that answer the fate of the planet rests.

[oberliner]

33. Are you a fan of the Miami Heat?

If so, do you think they will be NBA champions this year?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. They might not get out of the first round.

Yes, but they might not get of the first round. PHI is on a sixteen game winning streak. That being said MIA has more vets with playoff experience.



Conventional wisdom says it will be a CLE-GSW Finals though HOU is a live dog.

[oberliner]

37. Perhaps Dwayne Wade will kick it into another gear

I really hope we don't end up with GS-CLE to be honest.

Just like I hope with every fiber of my being that Trump doesn't get elected to a second term, in spite of my predicting that he will.

Fortunately, my predictions have been awful of late.

Edit to Add: That Trump got the nomination and then the presidency in spite of everything that came out on him during the campaign has completely shaken everything I thought I knew about politics.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. Wade has really been struggling as of late. Spoelstra has removed him from the closing rotation.

I believe he's the third or fourth best 2guard in NBA history, right behind Jordan, Kobe, and maybe Jerry West. Father Time is undefeated. Wade looks every bit of his thirty six years.

I can't wait for the playoffs to begin. Do you like the Polish Hammer ? When I lived in Orlando and he played for the Magic I used to see him at the gym and this woman I know lived next to him in his Maitland, FL condo.

Back to Wade. I will miss him. Shaq, LeBron, and Wade are my favorite players.

[oberliner]

43. True, but maybe something magical will happen in the playoffs

I must confess that I followed the NBA much more vigorously earlier in the season - the whole "tanking" thing has really turned me off from the league these past couple of months (or in the Bulls case, even more than that).

In terms of the Heat, I love Dragic when he gets on fire. And also Whiteside when he decides he wants to put some effort in. Wade, of course, is someone I also have a soft spot for.

Gortat is really frustrating to me. Occasionally he will go crazy and have a great game, but most of the time he is a non-factor.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. I live in CA and watch the Heat on League Pass. Sports is my other passion.

It also is a good distraction.

As to Gortat, he is getting older too.

[oberliner]

46. Do you think there need to be rule changes to prevent tanking?

I know they have talked about tinkering with the way the draft picks are determined moving forward.

It's just so hard to follow a sport where teams are trying to lose on purpose.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. I don't know. I do know I'm glad tanking is anathema to Pat Riley.

[oberliner]

29. George W Bush got two terms in office

Do you remember what an awful president he was?

[marble falls]

35. But then W wasn't facing impeachment, he hadn't coluded with Russians to win, he wasn't pissing....

with hookers, he wasn't named in an search warrant on his lawyer regarding money laundering, he didn't gut complete agencies, he wasn't out there grabbing pussies, he didn't loose his Speaker of the house and twenty or so Congressmen, interfere with any FBI investigations, hired his family, have any WH staff fail security checks, have any empty Ambassador or Federal aapointments in the exectutive branch, have a 38% positive and 58% negative rating......

Nixon's negatives weren't anywhere near cheetolini's and he didn't get his two terms.

No comparison at all.

[oberliner]

36. That's true

Obviously, I will do everything in my power to make sure that does not happen with Trump, but after the stunning disappointment of Election Day 2016, I can't help but predict that he will find some way to win a second term. Most of my recent political predictions have been wrong. Hopefully that trend will continue.

Edit to Add: How the hell Trump was able to stay in the race after the Access Hollywood tapes is still beyond comprehension to me.

[marble falls]

42. Its going to get better and soon. Because we are not going to take this crap sittin down.

But we do have to stay engaged energized and on the ball.

I never ever thought we'd get any gun control going in my lifetime and a bunch of school kids are going to make it happen. All we need to do is follow their lead: stay engaged energized and on the ball. .

[oberliner]

44. I admire your optimism and appreciate the positive attitude

I know I come off as as downer sometimes, and I hate that I do - but I try to always be honest about what I am thinking (as another poster pointed out) and the sting of the HRC loss still lingers.

Here's to electoral and legislative success in the near future!

[marble falls]

48. Here, here. We can make it happen together.

[Demsrule86]

59. Trump will not get two terms. Why would you even suggest that.

He has under a 40% approval rating...Bush's was way higher when he was re-elected.

[Kingofalldems]

25. Thanks for being honest.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. No rational person can demur from your retort.

[oberliner]

32. You're welcome

I always appreciate your honesty as well.

[OnDoutside]

15. He MUST know that if the Dems get even the House back, he is in for a torrid time in 2019. I think

that he, or someone advising him, is calculating that he needs to kill the Mueller investigation ASAP, to give enough time to run a clean up operation before the midterms. If he does nothing, there is no upside as more and more information/indictments will flow. He should really have fired Mueller back last June when he was dissuaded from doing so. Now that Mueller is so far down the line, it would be a much bigger thing. He could at least have replaced Rosenstein and got someone to strangle Mueller's investigation. That's too late now.

So, while I originally thought things might continue until after the midterms, I can't see it go beyond the end of May before it all explodes.

[poboy2]

16. Well, that or he launches nukes. We do not have till Nov., imo -nt

[OnDoutside]

17. Yes, especially with Bolton getting rid of all the senior heads on the NSC.

[NurseJackie]

19. He will not pardon any turkeys nor light the National Xmas Tree.

Melania's creepy Halloween/Christmas decor will never be repeated again. It reminds me of the hedge-maze in The Shining.

[Quemado]

21. mid 2018

Almost everyday there is some kind of revelation involving the Mueller investigation. I think within the next 90 days there will be a revelation that will result in Republican members of Congress finally realizing that if they don't get rid of Trump, their political survival will be greatly diminished.

The number one priority of a politician is survival.

[byronius]

54. I scanned the whole thread; you're It.

I think you've got it.

[OliverQ]

24. Minimum, 3 years.

He's abusing his pardon power so he can protect himself, and his criminal inner circle. And Republicans will never impeach him no matter what he does. He's immune from the Rule of Law for at least 3 years.

[democratisphere]

26. Same as you. Won't make it to the end of this year.

Things are on a mighty roll!

[MGKrebs]

31. 10 months.

7 months gets us the majority in Congress, 3 more months for the impeachment proceedings to run their course.
It's pretty clear that Repugs in Congress aren't going to do anything. Fuck them. We got this.

[sarisataka]

38. What exactly do you think

The end of those impeachment proceedings will be?

[Loge23]

39. This year

Then again I didn't think he'd survive 2017, so clearly I'm no Cassandra.
But this pile of shit is getting higher and higher - I just can't see this continuing much longer.
Look for the Pukes to throw him under the bus in prep for November.

[Awsi Dooger]

40. Others have summarized well

The damning stuff shows up every day and is no doubt merely a pin tip of what actually happened.

All the "Breaking News" threads and "Turn on Rachel!" threads lead to a mangled perspective of how vulnerable Trump is and whether or not he will be forced out of office.

Nobody wants to accept it, but to predict accurately the best method is to hang onto 2 or 3 foundational aspects and don't allow any of the daily variables to intrude. Rachel Maddow gets tons of credit around here for all the tales told by an idiot, signifying nothing. Yes, I consider her an idiot in terms of weighing variables and forward outcomes.

A presidential term is four years. The president's party tends to lose ground in midterms and especially the first one. An incumbent whose party has been in power only one term has surreal advantages when seeking re-election, no matter what happened in those midterms two years earlier.

That's about it. This term is certainly more noisy than normal but you can't allow that to deflect from the four-year reality.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. I would argue that Trump is such an aberration that conventional metrics don't apply.

I truly believe there is a non zero chance the republic doesn't survive Trump intact.

[rownesheck]

49. 6 1/2 years.

Too many morans in this country.

[BootinUp]

52. Well, 2020 ends it for certain. I have a hard time seeing

a sooner end. I think the Dems will make him their b*tch the last two years.

[MerryBlooms]

53. He's not going anywhere until the 2020 election,

and I'm not at all sure he won't serve a second term. There is enough evidence that our voting system is and has been corrupted, that problem will be a factor in both the midterms and presidential elections. The Democratic party needs to run a really strong candidate to win. I think Duckworth, Kennedy and Castro would be strong top ticket choices if they choose to run. Our country is swirling down the drain and we need to focus on local and state races right now, but man, there needs to be some serious propaganda flowing from the Dem side. Flood the goddamn airways, which means buying up some radio and TV stations, instead of letting the right just take them all without a fight. Sinclair is a cancer on our country that needs to be cut out and stopped from spreading further.

[doc03]

55. I think he is going to walk away from it scott free. I have heard the same damn

bullshit about a "Constitutional Crisis" for over a year now. Haven't we already been in a "Constitutional Crisis" since
Russia elected the SOB?

[earthside]

56. Pretty close to the end.

From the reporting I'm hearing this evening, if Trump orders a big strike on Syria that is beyond what the military leaders feel is prudent, I think we may see a Constitutional crisis like none we have ever seen.

Who knows how this would come down, but I have a hard time believing responsible military leaders will let an out-of-control Trump start a major conflagration in the Middle East with Russia and Iran.

Okay ... too apocalyptic?

The Michael Cohen stuff is going to spill all over the place and Trump's flat-out criminal behavior over the last 10-15 years is going to sink him. Trump is dirty, we all know it and pretty soon it is going to be spelled out in a way that even Republican loyalists will not be able to tolerate.

[IluvPitties]

58. Dude's bombing Syria.

[Binkie The Clown]

57. Put me down for three weeks from right now.

Mark May 4, 2018 on your calendar. And if I'm wrong, I'll stand in front of a mirror and scold myself severely.