Couple Stoned in Mali

[warrprayer]

... and not in the good way. Just one more stone in the mountain of proof that religious nuts of any stripe are a curse upon humanity...

"
Islamists in northern Mali stoned a couple to death on Sunday, on the grounds that they had had children outside of marriage. An official who was one of hundreds who witnessed the killing said the couple, who lived in the countryside, was brought into the center of the town of Aguelhok by “bearded Islamists, armed with Kalashnikov rifles.” The New York Times describes a truly horrifying scene.

The young man and woman were forced into holes about four feet deep, with their heads protruding, and then stoned to death at about 5 a.m. Sunday, the official said.

“They put them into the holes, and then they started throwing big rocks, until they were dead,” the official said, speaking by satellite phone from the remote desert town near the Algerian border.

“It was horrible,” he said, noting that the woman had moaned and cried out and that her partner had yelled something indistinct during the attack. “It was inhuman. They killed them like they were animals.”



Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/couple-stoned-to-death-by-islamists-in-northern-mali.html#ixzz22DjNdM6k

[obamanut2012]

1. Stoning is an absolutely horrific way to die

[warrprayer]

2. All in the name of God n/t

[obamanut2012]

3. Yup

What a perversion.

[HopeHoops]

19. Yeah, so who's going to raise the children?

That shit didn't make sense in the days of the Old Testament. It makes even less now.

[badtoworse]

4. Do any religions other than Islam engage in this practice?

[snooper2]

5. not much anymore...

I'm not sure when the last person was burned at the stake in the name of "christianity"

[Bluenorthwest]

12. The American Colonies had burnings through the 1740's at least.

In the name of the law, not the faith.

[Uncle Joe]

16. According to this list that would be about 1811.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_executed_for_witchcraft



List and images of those executed for witchcraft
Agnes Bernauer, executed in 1435.
Catherine Deshayes aka La Voisin, executed in 1680.
Urbain Grandier, executed in 1634.
Execution of Ann Hibbins on Boston Common, June 19, 1656. Sketch by F.T. Merril, 1886
Giles Corey being crushed to death, 1692
Martha Corey was executed in 1692
The Trial of George Jacobs who was executed in 1692. Painting by Thomkins Matteson, 1855
Agnes Waterhouse was executed in Chelmsford, England in 1566Name Lifetime Nationality Notes
Adelgrief, Johann AlbrechtJohann Albrecht Adelgrief 1636 !d. 1636 German Executed after claiming to be a prophet.[6]
Arriens, MarigjeMarigje Arriens 1591 !ca. 1520–1591 Dutch Burned to death for sorcery.
Barthe, AngeleAngéle de la Barthe 1275 !ca. 1230–1275 French Found guilty of sexual relations with the devil and burned to death.[7]
Bassett, GoodwifeGoodwife Bassett[8] 1651 !d. 1651 British American colonist at Fairfield, Connecticut
Bernauer, AgnesAgnes Bernauer 1435 !ca. 1410–1435 German Convicted of witchcraft and thrown in the Danube to drown, following accusations by her father-in-law Ernest, Duke of Bavaria.
Bien, MergaMerga Bien 1603 !1560s–1603 German Convicted as part of the Fulda witch trials and burned to death.
Birgitta, LassesLasses Birgitta 1550 !d. 1550 Swedish The first woman executed for witchcraft in Sweden; beheaded.
Bishop, BridgetBridget Bishop 1692 !ca. 1632–1692 English (emigrated to British America) The first person to be tried and executed during the Salem witch trials.[9]
Bonanno, GiovannaGiovanna Bonanno 1789 !d. 1789 Italian A widow and beggar who sold to her neighbours potions and spells intended to kill people. Accused of sorcery and hanged to death.[10]
Borcke, SidoniaSidonia von Borcke 1620 !1548–1620 Pomeranian Confessed to murder and witchcraft under torture; beheaded and burned.
Burroughs, GeorgeGeorge Burroughs 1692 !ca. 1650–1692 British American colonist Congregational pastor, executed as part of the Salem witch trials.[11]
Carrier, MarthaMartha Carrier 1692 !d. 19 Aug 1692 British/American Hanged during the Salem witch trials, her children confessed she was a witch.
Chantraine, AnneAnne de Chantraine 1622 !1605–1622 French Burned to death.
Chauderon, MichéeMichée Chauderon 1652 !d. 1652 Swiss Confessed under torture to summoning demons and was the last person executed for socrcery in Geneva.[12]
Cheveron, NyzetteNyzette Cheveron 1605 !d. 1605 Belgian Confessed to being a witch; was strangled and burned to death.
Clarke, ElizabethElizabeth Clarke 1645 !ca. 1565–1645 English The first woman persecuted by the Witchfinder General, Matthew Hopkins; hanged to death.
Corey, GilesGiles Corey 1692 !ca. 1611–1692 English (emigrated to British America) Crushed to death for refusing to plea during the Salem witch trials.
Corey, MarthaMartha Corey 1692 !1620s–1692 English (emigrated to British America) Hanged to death during the Salem witch trials.
Curtens, HelenaHelena Curtens 1738 !1722–1738 German One of the last people to be executed for witchcraft in Germany.
Delvaux, JeanJean Delvaux 1595 !d. 1595 Belgian Roman Catholic monk; beheaded.
Deshayes, CatherineCatherine Deshayes 1680 !ca. 1640–1680 French aka La Voisin. Burned to death following the Affair of the Poisons.
Doughty, ThomasThomas Doughty 1578 !d. 1578 English Nobleman and explorer accused by Sir Francis Drake of witchcraft, mutiny and treason. Executed by beheading.
Eastey, MaryMary Eastey 1692 !1634–1692 English (emigrated to British America) Hanged during the Salem witch trials
Eriksdotter, AnnaAnna Eriksdotter 1704 !1624–1704 Swedish The last person to be executed for sorcery in Sweden.
Francesco, MatteucciaMatteuccia de Francesco 1428 !d. 1428 Italian Confessed to having flown on the back of a demon; burned to death.
Gardiner, JeaneJeane Gardiner 1651 !d. 1651 British Executed in Bermuda.
Garnier, GillesGilles Garnier 1573 !d. 1573 French Serial child murderer; convicted of witchcraft and lycanthropy, and burned to death.
Glamis, JanetJanet, Lady Glamis 1537 !d. 1537 Scottish Accused of witchcraft by King James V; burned to death.
Glover, AnnAnn Glover 1688 !d. 1688 Irish (emigrated to British America) Last person to be hanged for witchcraft in Boston.
Goguillon, PeronnePeronne Goguillon 1679 !d. 1679 French Burned to death; one of the last women to be executed for witchcraft in France.
Göldi, AnnaAnna Göldi 1782 !d. 1782 Swiss Beheaded; "the last witch in Switzerland.
Good, SarahSarah Good 1692 !1655–1692 British American colonist One of the first to be convicted in the Salem witch trials.
Grandier, UrbainUrbain Grandier 1634 !1590–1634 French Convicted following the Loudun possessions and burned to death.
Greensmith, GoodwifeGoodwife Greensmith[8] 1663 !d. 1663 British American colonist at Hartford, Connecticut
Greensmith, GoodmanGoodman Greensmith[8] 1663 !d. 1663 British American colonist at Hartford, Connecticut
Guilladot, BertrandBertrand Guilladot 1742 !d. 1742 French Priest who confessed to having made a pact with the devil.
Ham, MechteldMechteld ten Ham 1605 !d. 1605 Dutch Confessed under torture and was burned to death.
Hausmannin, WalpurgaWalpurga Hausmannin 1587 !d. 1587 Austrian Midwife who confessed to child murder, witchcraft and vampirism; burned to death.
Henot, KatharinaKatharina Henot 1627 !1570–1627 German Postmaster; burned to death.
Heur, AdrienneAdrienne d'Heur 1646 !1585–1646 French Burned to death.
Hibbins, AnnAnn Hibbins 1656 !1656 British American colonist The fourth person executed for witchcraft in Massachusetts Bay Colony, hanged on Boston Common
Horne, JanetJanet Horne 1727 !d. 1727 Scottish Last British person to be executed for sorcery; burned to death.
Horsnas, ElinElin i Horsnäs 1611 !d. 1611 Swedish Beheaded after her second trial for witchcraft.
Howe, ElizabethElizabeth Howe 1692 !1635–1692 English (emigrated to English America) Hanged during the Salem witch trials.
Jacobs, GeorgeGeorge Jacobs 1692 !1620–1692 British American colonist Hanged during the Salem witch trials.
Mary Johnson 1648 !ca.1648 British American colonist executed at Hartford, Connecticut
Jones, MargaretMargaret Jones 1648 !1648 British American colonist The first person to be executed for witchcraft in Massachusetts Bay Colony, hanged
Jonsdotter, MäretMäret Jonsdotter 1672 !1644–1672 Swedish Beheaded.
Junius, JohannesJohannes Junius 1628 !1573–1628 German Tortured and then burned to death during the Bamberg witch trials.
Kemp, UrsulaUrsula Kemp 1582 !ca. 1525–1582 English Confessed to witchcraft and was hanged.
Kendall, Mrs.Mrs. Kendall[8] 1650 !ca.1650 British American colonist of Cambridge, MA
Knap, GoodwifeGoodwife Knap[8] 1653 !d. 1653 British American colonist at Hartford, Connecticut
Koldings, AnnaAnna Koldings 1590 !d. 1590 Danish Burned to death.
KolgrimKolgrim 1407 !ca. d. 1407 Greenlandic Burned to death.
Kruckow, ChristenzeChristenze Kruckow 1621 !1558–1621 Danish Noblewoman who confessed to cursing the marital bed of a rival; beheaded.
Lake, AliceAlice Lake[8] 1650 !1620 - ca.1650 British American colonist Wife of Henry Lake, from Dorchester, Ma
LeatherlipsLeatherlips 1810 !1732–1810 Native American Native American leader who was sentenced to death for witchcraft and executed with a tomahawk.[13]
Martin, SusannahSusannah Martin 1692 !1621–1692 English (emigrated to British America) Executed during the Salem witch trials.
Matsdotter, MalinMalin Matsdotter 1676 !1613–1676 Swedish Burned to death.
Meath, PetronillaPetronilla de Meath 1324 !ca. 1300–1324 Irish Burned to death.
Nurse, RebeccaRebecca Nurse 1692 !1621–1692 English (emigrated to British America) Hanged during the Salem witch trials
Nypan, LisbethLisbeth Nypan 1670 !ca. 1610–1670 Norwegian Cunning woman accused of making people sick to earn money, burned to death.
Paisley witchesPaisley witches 1697 !d. 1697 Scottish Also known as the Bargarran witches, the last mass execution for witchcraft in western Europe.[14]
Palles, AnneAnne Palles 1693 !1619–1693 Danish The last person to be officially executed for witchcraft in Denmark; beheaded.
Pappenheimer FamilyPappenheimer Family 1600 !d. 1600 German Tortured and burned to death.
Parker, AliceAlice Parker 1692 !d. 1692 British American colonist Hanged during the Salem witch trials.
Parker, MaryMary Parker 1692 !d. 1692 British American colonist Hanged during the Salem witch trials.
Pauer, MariaMaria Pauer 1750 !1730s–1750 Austrian The last person to be executed for witchcraft in Austria; beheaded.
Pedersdotter, AnneAnne Pedersdotter 1590 !d. 1590 Norwegian Burned to death.
Pendle witchesPendle witches 1612 !d. 1612 English
Plainacher, ElisabethElisabeth Plainacher 1583 !1513–1583 Austrian The only person to be executed for witchcraft Vienna; burned to death.
PolissenaPolissena of San Macario 1571 !d. 1571 Italian Burned to death.
Proctor, JohnJohn Proctor 1692 !ca. 1632–1692 British American colonist Hanged during the Salem witch trials.
Pudeator, AnnAnn Pudeator 1692 !d. 1692 British American colonist Hanged during the Salem witch trials.
Punasuomalainen, MarkettaMarketta Punasuomalainen 1658 !1600s–1658 Finnish Cunning woman, burned to death.
Redd, WilmotWilmot Redd 1692 !1600s–1692 British American colonist Hanged during the Salem witch trials.
Repond, CatherineCatherine Repond 1731 !1662–1731 Swiss Strangled and burned to death.
Rognvaldsson, JonJòn Rögnvaldsson 1625 !d. 1625 Icelandic Burned to death.
Saenger von Mossau, Maria RenataMaria Renata Saenger von Mossau 1749 !1680–1749 German One of the last to be executed for witchcraft in Germany.
Sampson, AgnesAgnes Sampson 1591 !d. 1591 Scottish Midwife, garrotted and burned to death during the North Berwick witch trials.
SoulmotherSoulmother of Küssnacht 1577 !d. 1577 Swiss Burned to death.
Spandemager, GydeGyde Spandemager 1543 !d. 1543 Danish Burned to death.
Spliid, MarenMaren Spliid 1641 !ca. 1600–1641 Danish Burned to death.
StedelenStedelen 1400 !d. ca. 1400 Swiss Confessed under torture to summoning demons; burned to death.
Waterhouse, AgnesAgnes Waterhouse 1566 !ca. 1503–1566 English The first woman executed for witchcraft in England; hanged.
Weir, ThomasThomas Weir 1670 !1599–1670 Scottish Strangled and burned to death.
Wildes, SarahSarah Wildes 1692 !1627–1692 English (emigrated to British America) Hanged during the Salem witch trials.
Willard, JohnJohn Willard 1692 !ca. 1672–1692 British American colonist Hanged during the Salem witch trials.
Witches of BelvoirWitches of Belvoir 1618 !d. 1618 English A mother and two daughters, the daughters were hanged.
Witches of WarboysWitches of Warboys 1593 !d. 1593 English Alice Samuel and her family, hanged.
Young, AlseAlse Young 1647 !ca. 1600–1647 British American colonist The first person recorded to have been executed for witchcraft in the American colonies, hanged.
Zdunk, BarbaraBarbara Zdunk 1811 !1769–1811 Polish Burned to death.
Zippel, AnnaAnna Zippel 1676 !d. 1676 Swedish Beheaded.
Zippel, BritaBrita Zippel 1676 !d. 1676 Swedish Beheaded.

[arely staircase]

37. Bridget Cleary - this one occured so late in the game that they almost could have broadcasted it

Her death is also notable in more serious historical contexts: She is popularly described as "the last witch burned in Ireland,"[7] or as the subject of the last of the witchcraft trials,[8] although it has been noted[7] that Bridget was never actually described as having consorted with the devil, which is customary with accused witches. Instead, she was thought to have been replaced by a fairy changeling.

Legal hearings ran from 1 April through 6 April 1895. A tenth person had been charged, and one of the original nine was discharged at this stage, leaving nine defendants bound over for trial. The court session began on 3 July, and the grand jury indicted five of the defendants for murder, including Michael. All nine were indicted for "wounding." The case proceeded on to trial.

The evidence showed that on 15 March, Michael summoned the priest, Father Ryan, back to the Cleary household. Ryan found Bridget alive but agitated. Michael told Ryan that he had not been giving his wife the medicine prescribed by the doctor, because he had no faith in it. According to Ryan, "Cleary then said, 'People may have some remedy of their own that might do more good than doctor's medicine,' or something to that effect." Bridget was given communion, and Ryan departed. Later that night, neighbors and relatives returned to the Cleary house. An argument ensued, again tinged with fairy mythology. At some point, Bridget told Michael that the only person who'd gone off with the fairies had been his mother. Michael attempted to force-feed his wife, throwing her down on the ground before the kitchen fireplace and menacing her with a burning piece of wood. Bridget's chemise caught fire, and Michael then threw lamp oil on Bridget. The witnesses were unclear as to whether she was already dead by this point. Michael kept the others back from her body as it burned, insisting that she was a changeling and had been for a week previously, and that he would get his wife back from the fairies.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridget_Cleary

[REP]

45. Bridget Cleary wasn't tried for witchcraft; her crazy husband killed her

There are still people killed for bring "witches" in some African countries today. From Wikipedia:


In the Nigerian states of Akwa Ibom and Cross River about 15,000 children branded as witches and most of them end up abandoned and abused on the streets. In Gambia, about 1,000 people accused of being witches were locked in detention centers in March 2009 and forced to drink a dangerous hallucinogenic potion, human rights organization Amnesty International said.[76] Every year, hundreds of people in the Central African Republic are convicted of witchcraft.

[Marrah_G]

62. Many of those murdered are children

it's frightening and horrifying, to know that people can become so deranged by fear and propaganda.

[smirkymonkey]

58. Interesting that most were Northern European. What does that say about western culture?

Very sad and the ignorance makes me as angry as anything that goes on today.

[hifiguy]

8. The reichwing dominionists want to bring it back

in the good ole USA right here and right now. Google "Rushdooney" or "dominionism" and scare yourself silly.

[cali]

26. uh, no it doesn't scare me silly because the odds of their having

such a capacity are exceedingly slim- barring some sort of SF apocalypse.

[hifiguy]

31. The difference between the far reich rank and file

and Rushdooney is so thin there is no longer any light between them. And dominionists are an actual unofficial caucus in Congress, as was conclusively established by journalist Jeff Sharlet in his book "The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power." Sharlet has been a guest on Rachel's show a number of times. Quote from Sharlet's book:

Unlike neo-evangelicals, who concern themselves chiefly with getting good with Jesus, dominionists want to reconstruct early Christian society, which they believe was ruled by God alone. They view themselves as the new chosen and claim a Christian doctrine of conventionalism, meaning covenants not only between God and humanity but at every level of society, replacing the rule of law and its secular contract. Since those covenants are signed, as it were, in the Blood of the Lamb, they are written in ink invisible to nonbelievers.

See also:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/topics/dominionism:

around Seven Mountains dominionism, which calls for conservative Christians to take dominion over the seven spheres of society: family; arts and entertainment; business; education; religion and the church; media; and government.

http://www.yuricareport.com

These lunatics are very well organized, very well funded, and so far beyond batshit insane there isn't a term for it. They are a clear and present danger.

[cali]

36. History matters, and historically the constitution has

been a forward moving document when it comes to granting rights and has never revoked a right when it comes to civil rights. The separation clause is still fairly effective- though there are breaches and areas of concern.

I'm not denying that this small segment is batshit hateful crazy or that were they able to, they wouldn't establish vile, violent, sicko practices, but they aren't a clear and present danger in the sense that you seem to believe they are. In order to say, stone people for adultery, there would have to be a complete coup in this country and the constitution would have to be shredded completely. Hard to do in a country with over 300,000,000 people and areas like the Northeast and the west coast. The country would be dissolved, dear, before this happened, and sorry, but that's not likely in the near future.

Critical thinking is a vital skill. We're not close to being in Handmaiden's Tale territory. The Democratic Platform will endorse Marriage Equality this summer.

[siligut]

51. I have to agree with you

Inch by inch and they are insidious.

[4th law of robotics]

13. In modern times none that I can think of.

[slackmaster]

17. Not for hundreds of years

[bhikkhu]

49. Read the bible - stoning until death was the crime for all sorts of things

fortunately nobody really takes that seriously any more

[arely staircase]

22. how do you propose we destroy all practitioners of fundamentalist religions?

stoning?

[hifiguy]

25. The options aren't pretty ones. See my post #23.

The unfortunate thing is that in the scope of human history barbarism - real, medieval-style barbarism, not something like the British colonialization of India - can only be stopped by either quarantining it or wiping it from the face of the earth.

They're not gonna be like the Vikings, who were barbarians, but who within two generations settled and intermarried with the Saxons, Britons and Celts and assimilated into the proto-culture of what became today's Great Britain.

[arely staircase]

34. i read that post and am now even more disturbed by what seems to be not so veiled

eliminationist rhetoric. please clarify. are you advocating violence?

[hifiguy]

39. No. I am only looking at history and observing

how it has played out. You cannot argue or reason with insane people. One either stands up to them or is overrun by them. On a few occasions invading barbarians such as the Vikings or the Golden Horde of Chinghiz Khan have assimilated into the populations they conquered and become, by modern standards, quite civilized.

It should be noted that the Mongols and the Vikings were motivated exclusively by a desire to acquire material goods and conquer territory, not to win converts or impose a theocracy. As was the Roman Empire in its day. Local gods, languages and customs were largely left undisturbed by the Romans and Roman culture accommodated a considerable amount of diversity.

However, the religiously insane resemble these historical waves not at all. They are driven by one thing - convert every human being within their reach to their insane belief system or kill them as heretics. Again, please Google "Rushdooney" and "Dominionism." These evolutionary throwbacks expect to rule the world, or at least a significant part of it, and as a totalitarian theocracy. They are well-funded. They are well-organized. Their tentacles are in every part of Washington and they are making inroads in the military. Read Jeff Sharlet's book "The Family." The Unification "Church" is also a player, and the Moonies are very well connected and financed.

Am I saying that they are going to take over the country in five years? No. But this is a long-simmering insanity and they are playing a very long game. A highly motivated, well-organized and well-funded minority of totalitarian lunatics is a very dangerous thing for a modern, ostensibly democratic society to tolerate in its midst. The eliminationist rhetoric was originated on that side of this divide. What I am talking about is mere self-defense, as WW II was.

And if it ever comes down to them or us, if I am still physically capable of doing so, I will happily pick up a gun and shoot as many of them as I possibly can.

[arely staircase]

41. see here is what bothers me about what you are saying

You seem to be offering the following premises:

A. Violent confrontation with religious fundamentalists (i assume this includes my grandmother) is inevitable.

B. When it happens you are ready to "pick up a gun and shoot as many of them as (you) possibly can."

So if A and B are true, the conclusion in this little logic exercises is:

it is inevitable that you will shoot people

though i see you qualified with "if (you) are still physically capable", contemplating, i suppose, the possibility that my Nana gets the drop on you.

What am I getting wrong in this?

[hifiguy]

44. Unfortuately, I see nothing in human history

that indicates that standing up to an eliminationist force by preaching peace, tolerance , reason and non-violence is effective. The religulous fundamentalists (of all stripes) are by their own definitions and internal logic (I use that term very advisedly) eliminationalist movements: Convert and believe or die. These are not people to whom one can say, "Come, let us reason together." Reason is anathema and heretical.

There was no way to deal with an eliminationist state like Fascist Germany except to destroy it and destroy it down to its foundations, which is what the Allies did. Unfortunately, the only way to deal with eliminationalists is to be ready to destroy them when they inevitably attack civilization. One of history's more unpleasant ironies, to be sure.

"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil — that takes religion." - Nobel Laureate physicist Dr. Steven Weinberg

"Many people do simply awful things out of sincere religious belief, not using religion as a cover the way that Saddam Hussein may have done, but really because they believe that this is what God wants them to do, going all the way back to Abraham being willing to sacrifice Issac because God told him to do that. Putting God ahead of humanity is a terrible thing." - Dr. Steven Weinberg (emphasis added)

[bhikkhu]

50. You can't control thoughts, but you can respond to behavior

Its very simple to manage things according to a rule of law, where you are perfectly free to believe crazy shit, you are also free to say crazy shit (with a few restrictions), but if you do crazy shit you are likely to wind up in court and then in jail.

[arely staircase]

53. yeah

And it is all good. Its a long story if you haven't kept up with it. Hifiguy isn't dangerous. He is, like us all, shocked and horrified by this disgusting thing. As he should be.

[Octafish]

21. +Infinity (nt)

[cali]

28. given a choice I'll take the impersonal drone death

any time. They aren't the same. And in saying that I am in no way condoning the drone strikes which I believe are illegal, immoral killing, but the personal nature of stoning and the pain and horror of it, freak me out more.

[get the red out]

33. So we're all the same

So we aren't allowed to criticize barbaric people and the evil they bring to the world. Heard it before, won't pay attention.

I'd rather be killed by a drone than live an hour under Islamist rule. The collateral damage you refuse to see are people who live their lives in fear and hopelessness. But if the US doesn't do the wrong it doesn't count and we need to STFU to be good liberals I guess?

FUCK THAT STFU SHIT. Islamist extremists are the most barbaric people on this planet. Go drone on about the drones, all the drone-whining in the world won't change the truth.

Edited to add: Please see I used the word "criticize" not bomb, obliterate, murder, kill, maim. To criticize barbaric people not of Western origin usually ends with an accusation of "wanting to bomb them".

[Quantess]

60. Of course we are allowed to criticize barbaric people at the DU.

Don't let some sheltered cultural-relativist scold you and wag their finger at you for pointing out their atrocious behavior.

[cali]

38. weak. you fail to address my point.

[HughBeaumont]

9. When I first read this, I saw "Couple Stoned in Mall".

This would have been a lot more light-hearted than religious barbarism.

Fundamentalpatients can fuck off.

[CTyankee]

11. I thought that's what it said, too! I wondered why it wasn't in the Lounge...

Now I don't feel like such an idiot...

[jberryhill]

54. As if that would be news

[HughBeaumont]

61. In NE Ohio, that's called "Friday".

[GodlessBiker]

10. "They killed them like they were animals." WRONG! They don't even kill animals that way.

What fucking barbarians.

[greytdemocrat]

20. No!!!

They're "Soldiers of God!!!"

[warrprayer]

14. How can the the civilized world

begin to educate and enlighten people with this mindset?

[hifiguy]

23. Unfortunately, you can't.

When people actively choose to believe in things that are demonstrably insane or inhuman there are only two things that can be done with them. One is difficult, and that is simply quarantine them from the civilized world. The second is, unfortunately, what we had to do to the regime of the Austrian corporal with the Chaplin moustache, and wipe it from the face of the earth militarily. While effective, an awful lot of innocents get killed in such actions. There are times, sad to say, when it is all that can be done.

[surrealAmerican]

15. What did they do with the children?

This is horrific, and I can't help but wonder if something equally horrific was done to those children.

[warrprayer]

18. I saw no mention

... of the fate of the children in the article. Perhaps someone on here would know how strict Islamic law would deal with the situation. my guess would be not in a good way.

[Taverner]

43. Knowing Islam, or any religion for that matter, probably rape, torture and death

And a little "God is Great" here and "In'shallah" there...

But hey, that's the religion of peace for ya

[warrprayer]

24. Another article...

"“It was horrible,” he said, noting that the woman had moaned and cried out and that her partner had yelled something indistinct during the attack. “It was inhuman. They killed them like they were animals.”

The official insisted that he not to be identified because he said “our lives are in danger here.” The official said many of the 2,000 people in Aguelhok had already begun leaving, crossing the border into Algeria, as a result of Sunday’s stoning.

The stoning was the Islamists’ most brutal reported act of repression so far. Refugees from the north have given numerous accounts of public whippings and beatings for alleged violations of Shariah law in the main towns of Timbuktu and Gao.

"

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/31/world/africa/couple-stoned-to-death-by-islamists-in-mali.html

[leftyohiolib]

27. "They killed them like they were animals." the animals were the one's doing the stoning

[patrice]

29. Just as horrible as the lying murder of appx. 5K US troops & 100K INNOCENT Iraqis, I'd say.

Driven by insane End Time$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ fantasies.

[msongs]

32. the benefits of islam and christianity are never ending nt

[Nye Bevan]

47. "Islam and Christianity"?

I think I prefer

"Do unto others as you would have done unto you";
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone";
"Love your neighbor as yourself";
"Turn the other cheek"

to

Stoning to death for adultery;
Women not being allowed to drive;
Prison sentences for kissing in public;
A reward of 72 virgins in paradise for perpetrating terrorist acts against the Great Satan;
Death penalty for homosexuality

[white_wolf]

48. I can find similar calls for compassion in the Quran and similar calls for brutality in the Bible.

Religion can be interpreted to support any viewpoint, compassionate or hateful, it can politically revolutionary or reactionary. Sadly, Islam is going through a very violent reactionary stage. It's very sad.

[bhikkhu]

52. Plenty of stoning to death in the bible

...and war, genocide, incest, rape, pillage, etc. You can say that the old testament "doesn't count", but then you have modern Muslim countries where they would happily say that the old days of stoning and so forth don't count either. Perhaps they have more successful fundies than we do, but the texts don't differ much in content.

[Liberal_in_LA]

35. sickening.

[Egalitarian Thug]

40. Followers of the Desert God of Death; Killing in His name in the most horrific ways for

millennia. And we're supposed to believe there's a difference between them...

[Taverner]

42. Ahhh the religion of peace again

I sure hope they don't spread any more peace

[LiberalAndProud]

46. I wonder what will become of the children.

Allah seems to be one helluva mean sonofabitch.


Give me that old time religion. It's good enough for me.

[mick063]

55. My lifetime of change

I started as a young boy attending Sunday School.


i grew into a young man that felt self guilt for having occasional doubts.

Then came Jim Jones.

After that Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.

Then Rick Santorum and a new "mean" version of the Catholic Church.


I see examples of Religion run amok in other parts of the world and can't help but think our own country could be headed that direction as well.

People have suffered horrible death in the name of every religion and every God.

I have a new belief. Religion is a means for men to control other men.

[LiberalAndProud]

56. [ nodding ]

I recognize your experience and share your belief. Hello.

[Raine]

57. So now two children are left orphans. :-( nt

[warrprayer]

63. It appears

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/31/world/africa/couple-stoned-to-death-by-islamists-in-mali.html

... that the ugly violent executions and public whippings are being carried out by the present extremists in power in an attempt to hold onto power that is slipping away. The sane muslims are either revolting or fleeing.