Response to Al Franken Vs. Response to Michelle Wolf

[jaxind]

The pushback to criticism of Michelle Wolf's speech by some Democratic-leaning people and some media, has been wonderful! They are pointing out that the faux outrage by those on the right of Wolf's speech, is exactly that....fake! If they were truly outraged, we would have seen a similar outrage by them against Donald Trump and all of his vile comments made over the years! This approach seems to have shut down the Republicans. I don't think Matt Schlaap can publicly come out again and condemn Wolf after he was pulverized by Alyson Camerota and Chris Cuomo.

Now, after the Al Franken debacle, just imagine if Kristin Gillibrand had, instead of asking for Franken's removal from the Senate, what if she had instead come out and said, "Look I do not like the allegations made against Senator Franken, but I am here representing all the Democratic females in the Senate when I say that we ask Al Franken to remain in the Senate until an investigation is done on this matter. And, I would like to hold President Trump to the same standard. There are many women who had made sexual assault allegations about President Trump. Let us hold an investigation on both of these men, and until that is done, we will not ask Senator Franken to step down."

We need to stand up to the Republicans and the Republican media, and call them on their bluff! No more caving in...we need to fight back! I love how so many came out to point out the hypocrisy of how tRUMP could get away with things like calling Rosie O'Donnell a "fat, ugly pig!" And, these same people who showed no outrage for that kind of talk, come out clutching their pearls at the horror of what Wolf had to say! Because of this kind of pushback from our side, the Republicans can not come out to criticize Michelle Wolf anymore...I think we have silenced them!

[LexVegas]

1. ...

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

2. Wouldn't that have been...

the level headed and adult thing to do about Mr. Franken?

[Trumpocalypse]

3. Why are you demonizing Gillabrand?

She was one of many Senators who condemned Franken for incidents that he admitted to and apologized for.
Plus the entire comparison to Michelle Wolf is incredibly intellectual dishonest.

[Mister Ed]

5. Demon? What demon? Where?

The OP merely outlines what would have been a wiser and more constructive choice for Gillibrand.

[Trumpocalypse]

11. But it was 38 senators,

not just Gillibrand. Yet I see no criticisms of Sanders or Warren regarding Franken.

[Mister Ed]

14. Aye. A very good and important point. n/t

[Jakes Progress]

16. That ignores what happened.

[Trumpocalypse]

17. How so?

[Jakes Progress]

21. We've been over this.

You always (repeat that word 50 times) want to remind people that there were other senators who were just as helpful to the republicans as KG. But, she wanted the glory. She wanted to be the first to demand flesh. She wanted the headlines. So much so that she broke faith with the others who had decided to do this. They had all decided to make a public statement. But before the group could do so - even before they were back in their offices - KG rushed her indignation to the press. Then a dozen others had to rush back to their offices to catch up.

KG wanted the credit for being the very bestest of the best, the holiest of testifiers, the first in line to kill the career of a fine senator and make an extremely safe Democratic senate seat vulnerable.

Well. I just think she got what she asked for. Yes there were others who did the same stupid thing as KG. Some were ambitious. Some were just jumping on the band wagon, and some were actually gullible enough to fall for this right wing trick. None of them showed courage, wisdom, or judgement in this. But KG wanted the lead.

(Were KG to apologize and admit her rush to judgement and do something to atone, she would be in a better position. As it is, she hasn't got a prayer of getting the Dem nomination, which is what she thought she was clenching with her actions.)

[Trumpocalypse]

23. So you can read Gillabrand's mind?

You know all her motives and thoughts on the matter.

Or maybe they all new it would be an unpopular position with base Dems and she was the one who had the courage to take the bullet for the rest of them. That interpretation is as valid as any. But it is only interpretation, not facts.

As Joe Biden said, “It’s always appropriate to question another man’s judgment, but never appropriate to question his motives.”

[Jakes Progress]

24. You seem to. You seem so close. Almost of one mind.

Actually, I was going by the interview with Mazie Hirono on MSNBC the day after. My discussion of the events and how they fell come from a person that was actually a part of the debacle. Hirono said that this is what happened. KG wasn't being courageous; she was reneging on discussions she had with other senators.

It is not my interpretation. It is the facts of the matter from someone who was part of it.

Oh. Joe can be cool sometimes, but he is wrong. We question motives all the time. It is actually how the jury system often works. I know you think it sounds like a cool thing to say, but it is just dumb.

Now how poor KG's judgement was in this is obvious: just stone dumb. It is my conjecture about her motives. Maybe she wasn't trying to remove a contender for the nomination she covets so badly. Maybe she was just not bright enough to see through the trick that was being played on her. That is why I say she is out of contention for nomination as far as many (many, many) of us are concerned. She showed very poor judgement in her actions for falling for the ruse and helping republicans put a safe senatorial seat at jeopardy. She shows poor behavior in not apologizing and doing something about it. A decent person who ruined another person's life by poor judgement would apologize and try to make amends. A very dim person would still not realize how poorly they had acted. I keep hoping she comes to her senses, realizes what a stupid thing she did, and show that she is both decent and bright.

[fleabiscuit]

28. Four women. None of them KG. They just don't count compared to Al do they.

Kick them to the curb. Let's have a great big investigation and see how many can we smear, and what we can drag them through.

Just like the OP this is off too, because it is a difference in POWER, and who can be the bully. Apparently women are such sweet targets.

[Trumpocalypse]

31. Don't waste your time

He's in the cult of Franken and has made up his mind. Franken was the greatest Senator who ever lived and did nothing wrong and Gillabrand is some sort of demon witch who single handedly push Franken out of the Senate.

[Jakes Progress]

37. You have some truth there.

Franken was great senator. Now his seat, a safe Democratic seat, is in jeopardy. He may have done things that are wrong, but there is no evidence that he did any of what he is accused of. You are a victim. Duped by the right wing dirty tricks mob. You can't admit it, so you attack Al. You support Breitbart's views and vilify a good Democrat.

Now when you call KG a demon witch, I think you go too far. She was just a dupe. She didn't do Breitbart's work all by herself, but she did choose to lead the charge. Was she an opportunistic back stabber or just a mark who didn't figure out what was happening? I don't know. You seem to be in a mind- meld with her, so you tell me.

[Trumpocalypse]

41. I've never attacked Franken

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I’m not the one here attacking a Democratic Senator.

[Jakes Progress]

47. Ah. Look up the word "dissembler"

You will find it familiar.

I could do the same by saying that I am not attacking KG. I am expressing my opinion of her short-sighted actions in the affair where she helped republicans get rid of a Democrat who was very effectively taking apart their excuses for trump. Or I am only saying that she should not be allowed to attack and accuse Democrats without evidence or proof. Therein, I would not be attacking a Democratic Senator any more than you.

A little intellectual honesty would be appreciated.

[Trumpocalypse]

51. That's ironic

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You asking for intellectual honestly. You should take your own advice.

[Jakes Progress]

56. How and where

do you find intellectual dishonesty in my refutation of your simplistic and repetitious screeds?

[Trumpocalypse]

62. In almost all your posts

[Jakes Progress]

68. Another of you self-created truths?

I cannot but be marveled by your lack of supporting argument and moral center. It smacks of political ambition. Hmmmmm.

[Trumpocalypse]

74. No you do that,

not me.

[fleabiscuit]

44. Oh please. Franken barely squeezed in.

[Jakes Progress]

48. All polls and the DNC considered it a very safe seat.

But what do they know. They lack your perception and depth of knowledge.

[fleabiscuit]

52. Then it won't matter that he's gone. nt

[Jakes Progress]

57. So you don't mind a republican winning his seat?

It was safe when he was in it. Duh.

[Jakes Progress]

36. Just tell me the testimony of these four.

You won't know three, because they wouldn't come forth. The first one lied (as proven by photos and the testimony of people who were there and witnessed Al's "crimes". Then she got a great big contract from Breitbart.

So tell me about the "accuser" who said that Franken touched her shoulder when she asked to be in a photo with him. She claimed it was an attack because she doesn't even allow her husband to touch her there.

This was a smear job. Breitbart and friends took a shot, and KG made it successful for them.

[fleabiscuit]

53. Like I wrote..."see how many can we smear, and what we can drag them through." Forget it.

[Jakes Progress]

58. So all you need ill some right wing accusation.

By your methodology, KG could be taken out if 3 members of the republican party said (off the record and anonymously) that KG had molested them when they were children. No testimony. No trial. No evidence. These three said it. To question them would be a smear campaign. We must have KG resign and hide herself. Shame on her.

Then we can move on the Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi. Oh, and while they are at it, they can finally lock up Hillary for running that child prostitution ring from the pizza basement. Wanna bet they can find three women to say (anonymously) that Hillary used to drive them to their johns on her lunch breaks at the State Department?

Tell me how these scenarios differ from what they did to Al?

[Trumpocalypse]

30. And how does Hirono know?

Can she read Gillibrand's mind too? BTW she called for Franken to resign too: https://www.hirono.senate.gov/news/press-releases/statement-from-senator-mazie-k-hirono-on-senator-al-franken

[Jakes Progress]

38. Because she was one of the ones

that KG shafted. She was quite miffed in the MSNBC interview. She thought the agreement was that they would all come forth with their demand that Democrats get behind the Breitbart story. But KG rushed her press release first. Hirono then had to run back to her office to get on the republican band wagon.

Hasn't KG let you in on this?

[Trumpocalypse]

42. Sounds like she's miffed she didn't get more press

The real is why do you think someone who denounced Franken is more trustworthy than someone else who denounced Franken. Is it because one feeds it to your preconceived bias and the other doesn’t?

[Jakes Progress]

45. Cause KG sucked it all up.

I didn't say Hirono was untrustworthy. I didn't say KG was untrustworthy. Both were silly dupes of the right wing and abetted their attack on Al. Why do you read into posts things that are not there. Is it because it feeds your preconceived bias?

You continually defend KG as a heroic figure full of courage and honor. You then attack those who defend Al Franken as a wise and very effective Democratic leader. Yet you see no hypocrisy or irony in doing so.

You have picked KG as your personal hero. I will go with Al Franken, a Democrat who was always a liberal and didn't start his political career as a darling of the NRA with a very red voting pattern. I admire that KG has seen the light and come over to the left finally. But I will take the wiser and more consistently liberal of the two as my choice. You can do as you please.

[Trumpocalypse]

49. Wow

It is really hard to have a honest discussion here when the other person continually mischaracterizes what I've said. I know that some think that it is a good debating tactic, one that is favored on the right especially on Fox. When you want to have an honest discussion based on the truth, let me know.

[Jakes Progress]

54. Ironic.

You do it over and over. Do you not recognize what you are doing or do you find intellectual honesty to be a handicap to your arguments?

Look up the word "truth".

[fleabiscuit]

59. There's no need to look it up. We create our own truths.

How else could one explain the extreme right or left that have their truths, but are often devoid of facts. You'll have to examine where you lie on the line for yourself, and who you are ok with throwing under the bus for your truth. As do I.

[Trumpocalypse]

64. Well said!!! nt

[Jakes Progress]

66. How can you live with the mendacity

of creating things and calling them truth? How is that well said.

A lie is not true. Just because someone says it is, does not make it the truth. This is the kind of soft-brained, moral weakness that has put Trump in office and has been leading some in the Democratic party to sabotage the party itself.

Shame.

[Trumpocalypse]

72. You're talking about yourself

not me.

[Jakes Progress]

84. You should read your own posts.

You are the one who celebrated making up things to call true when it suits you. The post you huzzahed said there were no truths but that we all get to call whatever one wants the truth.

You still haven't supplied the "lies" you claim in my posts. Just a lot of nyah nyah. Wonder why?

[Trumpocalypse]

86. No never celebrated that.

Why don’t you actually argue the issue instead of continually attacking those disagree with you, and making stuff up to attack them. Maybe because you don’t have any verifiable facts or logic on your side.

[Jakes Progress]

93. Dude. You wrote post 64.

You lack facts. You lack logic. You lack center.

[Trumpocalypse]

97. So complementing another poster

means I lack center?

BTW this is post #64: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10593971

[Jakes Progress]

104. You post praised his thought.

His thought was that you can make up your own truth. You praised it as "well said".

Now wriggle out of that if you can. I bet you try.

[Trumpocalypse]

106. No his thought was that

you were making up your own truth.

[Jakes Progress]

108. No. He did not say that.

Read post 59. You praised a post were the poster said that we all make up our own truths. You said that was "well said".

Actually you just wanted to thank someone who would seem to be on your side. You didn't care what he said. You just wanted the point. He did not say that I was making up my own truth. Read that again and if you have any bit of integrity about this, you will not say that he said I was making up truth, that he said we all make up our own truths. My interpretation was that he was saying that there is no truth or that a truth doesn't matter. I disagree with both of those concepts. You, however, praised his post as being well put. See. You cannot make up your own truth about post 59. It is right there.

[Trumpocalypse]

111. Now you're assuming my motives

that you don't know to be fact. You seem to like doing that to people you disagree with. I prefer to discuss facts, no assumptions.

[fleabiscuit]

80. "moral weakness" is unhidden code for no morals. Obviously.

[Jakes Progress]

83. Your tired.

Your syntax is getting frazzled. Take a rest. Then you can get back to doing whatever drives you to this place to do the things you do here.

[fleabiscuit]

90. Thanks.

Link to tweet

?s=20

[Jakes Progress]

65. You. Create. Your. Own. Truth.

Wow. That says it.

I don't create my own truths. Truth is truth. The sun rises in the east because of the laws of motion. The earth is not flat, nor is it just a few thousand years old. Pi is an infinite number.

More prosaically, the republicans and the very rich that work to keep them in power so that they can be serviced by the government, tell lies (not their version of the truth) to get what they want. One of the things they wanted was for Al Franken to go away. The truth is, they got what they want. Another truth is that by aiding them, KG did not get what she hoped for. The Democratic senators that aided her because they thought it would give Democrats a winning hand did not get what they hoped for.

You go ahead and make up things and call them the truth. That will fit in very nicely with the current power structure. You should do well with it. But synthesizing truth is not helping the Democratic party.

[rzemanfl]

76. Check for PM. n/t

[fleabiscuit]

81. "I don't create my own truths. Truth is truth." That's handy when you know everything.

And when you don't have to account for harming someone, making the lesser of two evils... you know, the days when you can't have perfection. Like with politics.

[Jakes Progress]

82. Gibberish.

I believe there are truths. You are the one who said you get to make up things and call them true. I find that shameful. But at least you admit it. I guess that is something.

[Trumpocalypse]

60. You're projecting

[Jakes Progress]

85. You're bumping.

Happy to see you tossing this thread back to the top of the list. More people need to see what KG did. Thanks.

[Trumpocalypse]

87. You're welcome.

I don’t mind if thread is bumped so your pathetic attempt to get the last word failed.

[Jakes Progress]

88. Silly.

No one is reading this shit here. What kind of serious person reads the tit for tat bickering like this. It's not like it highlights this post or our posts. It just puts the OP back up where it can be read. No one cares about how you got your feelings hurt. You are not doing KG any favors. You should learn how the forum works before you post.

[Trumpocalypse]

89. Still attacking

the person when can’t argue the facts. Sad.

[Jakes Progress]

91. Bump

Show me a "fact" that you have stated and I will argue it. Of course it will be pointless if you define facts the same way you define truth. Surely you would like to reconstruct your idea of truth being only what you want it to be.

[Trumpocalypse]

92. More projection.

Here's one fact, Franken chose to resign. No one put a gun to his head and forced him to do so. He could have stayed and fought but he didn't.

[Jakes Progress]

94. I disagree. Gillibrand isn't terrible, just gullible.

[Trumpocalypse]

98. Yes she and 37 other Senators were gullible

As was Franken who apologized several times and then chose to resign.

[Jakes Progress]

105. Finally, you admit she was culpable.

Now we only have to work on the fact that you don't seem to want to admit that she wanted to be seen as the leader in demanding his resignation.

Then we can work on something I suspect you already understand. Franked apologized because he is a good man. He thought his humor had been a little broad perhaps. He said the investigation would show what really happened. (Please note that the accusers, anonymous and named, did not want an investigation. Lee Ann Tweeden was appalled that their might be. She went out of her way to say how she didn't want an investigation.) Now let me explain how the Senate works. It is a collegial place. You can't get anything done without the help and cooperation of others in your party. When the short-sighted 38 jumped on Al and shoved him out the door, he knew he would not be able to do anything without their support. They didn't call for an investigation. The just danced to the right wing tune and called for summary execution. I wouldn't blame Al if he decided to hell with this hypocritical group and left. He had worked with them for years. He helped many of them get elected, including KG. But at the hint of a chance to make political hay, they turned on him in a second. It was a low point in Democratic Party dumb actions.

This whole thing was not Al's fault. Now, because of the actions of his supposed colleagues, All gets lumped in with Lauer and Weinstein. Republicans are laughing their asses off because of this. It did not do the party any good. It did not do #MeToo any good. It only divided Democrats and helped trump. Why you think all of this is okay is beyond me.

KG, along with the others, need to apologize and try to make amends. Admitting you've been a dupe is what a large portion of the country (those that voted for trump) needs to do. If our own senators can't do it, why do we think those silly fools who voted for trump will?

[Trumpocalypse]

107. That is an assumption on your part.

You are assigning a motive with out any evidence in an effort to demonize.

And while Franken was and is a good man, he still apologized instead of fighting back. He choose to resign instead of fighting back. While 90% of the blame goes to his accusers, Franken still bears some responsibility, as to the 38 senators, for what happened. It is the effort to demonize one single female senator that I object to.

[Jakes Progress]

109. This is avoidance on your part.

The evidence is there. It was available at the time. It is still available if you care to read.

I don't seek to demonize. I seek to improve the reputation of a senator who screwed up and got herself in trouble with a large section of the Democratic party.

You can like it or not, but KG sought the lead on this. She has come to be seen as the symbol for her silly attempt to lead on this. She sought the lead and got it. Now she should shoulder the responsibility for her actions. She can't possibly seek the nomination in 20. She has pissed off too many Democrats. I doubt that any of the 38 could lead without being called to account for their aiding the right wing propaganda machine. For the most part those 38 put themselves out of the picture for 20. If one could lead the pack in apologizing and trying to show that they now understand that they were used and vow to not let that happen again, we could begin to see them as able to learn. KG sought the lead in trashing Franken. She might be able to seek leadership in 6-8 years if she could show leadership here.

And stop with the "he resigned" crap. Of course he did. If it had been me, I would have resigned and run as an independent because I would be so pissed. He is a better man than I. He couldn't possible remain effective in office with the majority of his colleagues demanding he go.

And he did apologize. He never admitted that he did the shit he was accused of. He apologized for anything he might have done that was interpreted as bad behavior and called for an investigation. An investigation that would have shown that Tweeden was exaggerating and lying and that the others were seeking a few minutes in the spotlight. But 38 Senators, KG in the lead, short circuited that and took away Minnesota's right to select their senator.

They were wrong.

[Trumpocalypse]

110. You're projecting

You've always been trying to demonize KG. You're still doing here, assuming motives that you have no proof.

And why stop with the stating that Franken apologized and resigned. Those are simple fact, not assumptions, but facts. Don't you like facts?

[crazycatlady]

7. It is the popular thing to do on this forum

After all, Al Franken is the best politician ever.

(Seriously he's been out of the Senate for almost 6 months. Time to move on.)

[Trumpocalypse]

32. Unfortunately many here cling to a cult of personality

type of thinking. I thought we were supposed to be better than that.

[Jakes Progress]

39. Pot meet kettle.

[Trumpocalypse]

43. Weak.

You might as well post 'I'm rubber and you're glue'. At least that would be more honest.

[Jakes Progress]

46. Not really.

But I don't have time to explain the idioms of the English language to you. You might try looking them up.

[Trumpocalypse]

50. Yes really

[Jakes Progress]

55. Why don't you just say "nyah nyah"

You seem to lack any deeper rhetorical response.

[Trumpocalypse]

61. My responses

Are geared to the intelligence and maturity level of the person I’m responding to.

[Jakes Progress]

67. Nothing you have posted

would indicate that to be true.

But, of course, elsewhere on this thread you have condemned the truth as simply a self construction. You seem to condone making shit up and calling it golden. So why would anything you post be given more than a shrug and a sneer of disdain. Your position in this matter is the epitome of intellectual dishonesty.

[Trumpocalypse]

73. Again, you're talking about yourself

and not me.

[Demsrule86]

33. She was the first...and will be blamed...fair or not fair. That is reality. I say we let this go

and this post is unnecessary...creates division over something that is finished...we should move on.

[Trumpocalypse]

34. I agree

Franken is gone, as sad and unfortunate as that is. It’s too bad some refuse to let it go and use it as an excuse to attack other Dems.

[Demsrule86]

40. There is nothing to gain by attacking other Dems...would have thought 16 would have made that clear.

[USALiberal]

71. She was the leader and loved the attention. Done with her. nt

[Trumpocalypse]

75. You don't know that for a fact

And have no proof of that. But she was one of a group of 38 senators that included Warren and Sanders. So why demonize one female senator and not any of the others. Seems a bit sexist to me.

[EffieBlack]

95. Telling the truth isn't demonizing

[Trumpocalypse]

96. When someone assumes

dishonest motives with out any evidence, that is demonizing.

[EffieBlack]

99. Really?

OK.

[Trumpocalypse]

100. Yes

[samplegirl]

102. Gillaneand numpedthe gun.

I agree!

[Trumpocalypse]

103. She went to Franken's office with Luca Brasi and a resignation letter.

Had Luca hold a gun to Franken's head and told Al that either his signature or his brains would be on the resignation.

[Squinch]

4. I love Franken, I wish he didnt step down.

But, like Franken himself, I thought his actions were ignorant in hindsight and required an apology. The apology he gave should be the template for such apologies and it was plenty enough for me.

In contrast Wolf did nothing wrong whatsoever.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

26. He said he was sorry.

I called his office everyday. He was knee-capped bc he was hell on wheels in the Congressional Hearings. Such a god Damn shame he folded and left. Can't blame him though. Probably was really pissed noone defended him like he did us. Son of a..

[jaxind]

6. To Trumpocalypse

But Franken never really did admit to it. He said he remembers things differently than how LeeAnn and the other women came out with their stories. But he agreed to step down because he was asked to by Gillibrand and other female democratic senators

[Trumpocalypse]

12. If he felt he was completely innocent

he shouldn't have apologized and resigned.

[ProfessorGAC]

13. Motivations Will Change When. . .

. . .being thrown under the bias by one's own supposed allies.

[Trumpocalypse]

18. No one put a gun to his head.

He could have stayed and fought. He chose not to.

[ProfessorGAC]

19. Hilarious

So black and white. Seems convenient.

[Trumpocalypse]

20. but the truth.

Franken could chosen to stay and fight.

[Jakes Progress]

22. Deliberately avoiding reality too.

I often feel like these KG defense posts could be coming from her campaign IT dept.

[NCTraveler]

8. Might have happened if Franken showed the first sign of a willingness to fight.

These comparisons have become an absolute joke. It’s simply an attempt to further divide factions. Franken was in one of the greatest deliberative bodies in the world. Few knew who Wolf was before the other night.

That leaves out the blatantly sexist aspect of the continued attacks on Gillibrand. That letter was signed by a majority of Senate Democrats. Democrat after Democrat too to Twitter and other platforms to call for a Franken s resignation.

Want to see a fighter. Look at how Schummerresponded. We would still have Senator Franken had he shown his colleagues he was willing to fight.

But he couldn’t! #metoo! Bullshit. See Schummer. We were all ready for Franken to fight fire with fire. Telling your colleagues to wait, as more shady people were coming forward, is a fools game. The right wing attacks weren’t waiting. There was truly only one person saying hold tight.

[sunRISEnow]

78. Further, we do not really know what was happening behind closed doors.

For Franken to so easily walk away tells me that maybe there was a reason. We do not know and Franken has not talked about it, just allowed everyone to pick a side without enough information or clarification.

They had also connected Moore to Franken at that point and we had a race to win in Alabama.

I agree. Franken himself went down too easily. I like the man. His first apology was sincere and good enough for me.

[Paladin]

9. I think an investigation and censure should have been enough in Franken's case.

I miss his presence in the Senate, to this day.

[jaxind]

10. To crazycatlady

I realize this Al Franken thing happened 6 months ago. The reason I am bringing it up now is to show how important it is on how our response should be every time the republicans want to start a faux outrage over something horrible we supposedly did. If we stand our ground and push back, they have no choice but to drop the issue. If Kirsten Gillibrand had responded how I suggested (and if others supported her on that), then the republicans would have had no choice but to drop their demand that Al Franken step down. Just like with Michelle Wolf....the republican outrage was deemed fake by many, so now the republicans can not come out anymore to feign their outrage by what she said. Because they know that they will have to try and defend tRUMP for all the horrible things he has said over the years! We should always push back and stand strong!

[crazycatlady]

35. Seriously it is time to move on

Most other Democratic forums did. THe horse is dead, stop beating it. Tina Smith is the junior senator from Minnesota now.

[wellst0nev0ter]

63. But it keeps happening

Acorn was targeted by republican ratfucking, Dems folded and pulled funding, taking away an organization that registers new voters.

Franken was targeted by republican ratfucking (three of the named accusers are trumpanzees, four were anonymously reported by the media, one was Tina) and dems folded to "optics."

If they're not going to stand up to dirty tricks those times, when are they going to stand up?

[Jakes Progress]

69. Hey. Let's forget doing the right thing.

Since when did anyone learn from examining their stupidity and trying to do better. Nah. Best to just let the past go. Trumps attacks on gays, the handicapped, immigrants, refugees were all so long ago. Let's just forget that stuff and pretend it never happened. Then we can be all outraged and surprised when it happens again.

[crazycatlady]

70. Look he's out of the senate, get over it

[BannonsLiver]

15. I see my favorite situational ethics poster stopped by upthread!

Crucified Franken without hearing so much as a word of his side of the story, believed every word out of Joy Reid's mouth.

[jalan48]

25. Franken is gone and Hillary isn't President. Midterms in six months.

[fleabiscuit]

29. 10-4 that.

[lunasun]

27. Why aren't they mad at trump for sending her there to be roasted in his place?

The only other prez who did not attend was Reagan soon after he was shot yet even then he called in to the dinner!

But now trump is to much of a wuss to show up and his crowd is upset that his proxies he sent were hit on instead and plenty of people are calling for the dinner to be reformatted or the tradition to be shut down completely just because trump and co. can't handle it. Fee fees hurt over a snark or two with much truth on the side so shut it down is the cry

Republicans want complete silence and will not shut up until they get it imo
Some dems may aid them

[rzemanfl]

77. I would get involved in this discussion but I have to wash socks. n/t

[Demsrule86]

79. Stop! The Franken matter is over. While I didn't agree with those who insisted on resignation...

Gillibrand was one of 38 so why blamer her? And comparing a comedian telling jokes to a man accused of sexual harassment is ridiculous in the first place...not that I think Franken was guilty of anything. He should have stayed and fought but he chose to resign...now we need to move on. This post is divisive and you really should delete it.

[UCmeNdc]

101. Democratic Politicians need to remember Al Frankin and how not to be played by

Right wing media. This was a mistake by Democratic politicians. They need to learn not to repeat this mistake.