Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
Tue May 1, 2018, 12:55 PM May 2018

Shaun King: Black couple seated, given menus, told to move because white regular wanted that table

From Twitter (video at link): I kid you not, this Black couple was seated, given menus, and prepared to order when they were asked to move to a different table because a "white regular" wanted to sit there.

When they refused to move, of course, they threatened to call the police.

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/991352159626149888

129 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Shaun King: Black couple seated, given menus, told to move because white regular wanted that table (Original Post) gollygee May 2018 OP
Why make this about race? Managers have the discretion to seat people wherever they want. EffieBlack May 2018 #1
I thought this was a serious answer before I saw it was from you lol gollygee May 2018 #2
LOL malaise May 2018 #15
Effie - it gets better JustAnotherGen May 2018 #26
++++Exactly! lunasun May 2018 #28
If the regular was racist. Blue_true May 2018 #57
When I read the article I actually figured they may have been the start of the problem . They may lunasun May 2018 #86
They could have dragged them to free up the table, like on an airplane. nt tblue37 May 2018 #101
That's your solution and as I put at the end of my post of how a restaurant could handle it -"IMO" lunasun May 2018 #105
I was being sarcastic and referencing their for dragged o of the plane for not giving tblue37 May 2018 #126
that's a good one yurbud May 2018 #127
He's black? Is his wife darker or something? yurbud May 2018 #67
That's right you would be aware he is not white lunasun May 2018 #104
Is this post for real? JustAnotherGen May 2018 #112
By leaving the restaurant he gets a win win, no chance for the police to harm him for Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #29
His reputation was in play JustAnotherGen May 2018 #42
Good point. Blue_true May 2018 #56
I was being sarcastic EffieBlack May 2018 #58
Damn straight. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #102
30 + years in restaurant industry tazkcmo May 2018 #75
Thanks for the insight. nt Blue_true May 2018 #85
IKR. And another thing. We don't get to see what happened prior to when the video started ProudLib72 May 2018 #59
We don't know the whole story EffieBlack May 2018 #60
Omg! ismnotwasm May 2018 #71
You almost gave me a heart attack. joshcryer May 2018 #91
I watched the video. Huge mistake by that white manager. MineralMan May 2018 #3
and the comment "Because I don't like you" Demovictory9 May 2018 #96
Police seem to be a solution to a few too many problems these days IronLionZion May 2018 #4
I am so stealing that.. HipChick May 2018 #37
This is something most people don't understand. Solomon May 2018 #45
There are Uncle Toms of every type IronLionZion May 2018 #113
Here's the Video, from YouTube: MineralMan May 2018 #5
Thank you! gollygee May 2018 #7
I had to go find it on YouTube. MineralMan May 2018 #8
99% of the time there is going to be a video. lucky for us. dixiegrrrrl May 2018 #47
And they haven't figured out that Yelp, etc. exists treestar May 2018 #66
that's even worse than what i got from reading the article JI7 May 2018 #87
I would have let them call the police leftynyc May 2018 #6
As a white person, I would let them call the police and laugh gollygee May 2018 #9
Yes. Likely, they would have done just that - mandhandle a black man. MineralMan May 2018 #10
And his wife. nt gollygee May 2018 #12
Wouldn't have recording the leftynyc May 2018 #32
Not necessarily. The beef was with the restaurant MineralMan May 2018 #34
I guess it turned out okay leftynyc May 2018 #36
Sometimes, getting yourself out of a situation is the best choice. MineralMan May 2018 #38
I understand your example perfectly leftynyc May 2018 #40
The person involved didn't suck it up. He put the video on social media, MineralMan May 2018 #41
Maybe more effective leftynyc May 2018 #46
It might stop the next manager if he wants to keep his job. Demsrule86 May 2018 #48
One would hope leftynyc May 2018 #50
It is depressing. And I imagine there are many more that are never publicized. Demsrule86 May 2018 #51
Yup leftynyc May 2018 #54
And this guy is pretty famous...but I saw one post about how this 'might' not be about racism...when Demsrule86 May 2018 #74
Of course, you did. EffieBlack May 2018 #79
I will never understand giving racist scum like that manager the benefit of the doubt. I hope he is Demsrule86 May 2018 #129
That's exactly it EffieBlack May 2018 #61
Agreed. I've always valued my teeth more than my ego. KY_EnviroGuy May 2018 #88
The police were coming for a tresspass charge. joshcryer May 2018 #92
It's illegal to not "ask questions" and to "simply remove the 'trespasser'" EffieBlack May 2018 #107
What more than a statement by the manager that he asked a patron to leave and they refused onenote May 2018 #114
You apparently missed the rather intense discussion of this last week - lucky you. :-) EffieBlack May 2018 #121
The probably would have shot the patrons for "fear for their life" Takket May 2018 #21
You don't need the sarcasm tag tazkcmo May 2018 #76
Guaranteed if a black patron had a fork in their hand. n/t KY_EnviroGuy May 2018 #89
Black people don't have the luxury of saying "let them call the police-wtf were police going to do?" EffieBlack May 2018 #39
Agreed. Caliman73 May 2018 #125
Yes, manhandle them, or Taze them, or shoot them. Blue_true May 2018 #63
My white privilege leftynyc May 2018 #98
Yes, reading about situations like that is depressing. Blue_true May 2018 #106
I Can Get "Regulars" Getting Table Preference ProfessorGAC May 2018 #11
At most they could have offered a 'comped' meal if they would agree to a move, but if they refused hlthe2b May 2018 #13
That Would Have Been A Good Idea ProfessorGAC May 2018 #19
That's 'cause you know how to tip. Iggo May 2018 #93
Even more insulting misanthrope May 2018 #65
He WAS a regular. In fact, he had previously booked large parties MineralMan May 2018 #14
They Were Both Regulars? ProfessorGAC May 2018 #18
Yes. It's in the news talker part of the video. MineralMan May 2018 #23
Not sure I see how someone can absolutely declare race-motives as a stone-cold fact in this case ... mr_lebowski May 2018 #27
You're welcome to defend anyone you wish. MineralMan May 2018 #35
Really...it was racism pure and simple... Demsrule86 May 2018 #49
If that table was so damn important Mz Pip May 2018 #33
You Realize We Agree, Right? ProfessorGAC May 2018 #52
+1 treestar May 2018 #64
I can see trying to appease a regular customer dsc May 2018 #16
Yeah, their meal or at least drinks should have been comp'd at the time of request. Hassin Bin Sober May 2018 #25
But you shouldn't try to appease a regular customer by inconveniencing the other customers. EffieBlack May 2018 #124
that is why you offer the comp meal or drink dsc May 2018 #128
The restaurant is getting destroyed on Yelp. miyazaki May 2018 #17
We think alike, I see! Kittycow May 2018 #22
Haha..Yelp isn't cleaning up the reviews yet. Kittycow May 2018 #20
Is there a link? For some reason I cannot find it. Tipperary May 2018 #100
I just googled Sambuca 360 yelp and it came up. Kittycow May 2018 #116
Yeah, finally got it, but it looks like they have cleaned it up. Tipperary May 2018 #117
At least when people google their name in the future Kittycow May 2018 #118
They'd better do a Sambuca180 real fast. skypilot May 2018 #24
I'm a regular at several local places and Phoenix61 May 2018 #30
+1. Who would not do that? treestar May 2018 #70
Jack Nicholson in "As Good as It Gets.". nt tblue37 May 2018 #103
And what was up with the "regulars" who watched all this happen? LisaM May 2018 #31
Kick. Worse than the Starbucks incident! Nt Anon-C May 2018 #43
Their "apology" is complete bullshit. The racist POS manager should be identified. dalton99a May 2018 #44
What struck me madaboutharry May 2018 #53
He was among those folk - including plenty of people on DU - who believe a restaurant manager can EffieBlack May 2018 #68
Actually, they can. tazkcmo May 2018 #77
No, actually they can't. EffieBlack May 2018 #78
You are right tazkcmo May 2018 #80
Thanks EffieBlack May 2018 #81
When you're right tazkcmo May 2018 #82
:-) EffieBlack May 2018 #84
It's not just black people kimbutgar May 2018 #55
Let me ask, do you believe many whites have a hard time being served behind blacks in line or .... Anon-C May 2018 #69
Yes kimbutgar May 2018 #73
LA is very expensive. Blue_true May 2018 #72
Regulars would have understood treestar May 2018 #62
I'm a regular at a few places and have favorite tables EffieBlack May 2018 #83
I wouldn't either treestar May 2018 #110
It's suggested this place has a history of discrimination. KY_EnviroGuy May 2018 #90
It is in Plano, TX? treestar May 2018 #111
Yes, check out the article I posted. KY_EnviroGuy May 2018 #115
So, why would you want to eat there dumdrum May 2018 #94
Maybe the food is very good Catherine Vincent May 2018 #119
I would hope they would be able to sue the restaurant over this. Crunchy Frog May 2018 #95
This was just up the road from us in Plano, TX DFW May 2018 #97
OMFG! Sickening. Duppers May 2018 #99
And had there not been video, people would be making all kinds of excuses for the restaurant EffieBlack May 2018 #108
Thank goodness for cell phone videos gollygee May 2018 #109
Ayup. Iggo May 2018 #120
Even then, one must withhold judgment dalton99a May 2018 #122
Of course. Because we have no idea what happened before the video started. EffieBlack May 2018 #123
 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
1. Why make this about race? Managers have the discretion to seat people wherever they want.
Tue May 1, 2018, 12:59 PM
May 2018

I mean, if they can make people leave and have them arrested if they don't, they surely have the right to make them sit where they tell them too.

And all the people had to do was just move to another table and there wouldn't have been a problem.

Right?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
2. I thought this was a serious answer before I saw it was from you lol
Tue May 1, 2018, 01:00 PM
May 2018

I was about to get irate.

Sad that I know there are many people including at DU who will have that response.

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
26. Effie - it gets better
Tue May 1, 2018, 02:20 PM
May 2018

Johnny Wimbrey? He's rich. There goes another hole in the boat of a 'rising tide lifts . . .'

Because it doesn't raise jack shit for black folks if bigots are still allowed to get away with their bigot thing they do.

http://www.johnnywimbrey.com/

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
57. If the regular was racist.
Tue May 1, 2018, 07:49 PM
May 2018

He or she would not have cared if the Black people were the richest people in the world.

Like LBJ said "If you convince the lowest white man that he is better than the best black man, that white man won't care that you are picking his pockets".

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
86. When I read the article I actually figured they may have been the start of the problem . They may
Wed May 2, 2018, 12:03 AM
May 2018

have demanded that 'those people ' be removed from their regular seating preference.

I just do not see a host pushing it on their own that the regulars get their special table with out some complaint from the regulars
although he did tell the guy seated he doesn't like him that is why he is calling the cops, so who knows maybe he was looking for a reason to mess with them but the restaurant should have been the ones to act accordingly and appease the regular if that is who started it, and explain they could not get the table this time ..sorry its occupied .

Perhaps the regulars escalated it further if the host did try that first ,and since it was a black couple the host instinctively thought he could be out of order with them

and didn't really care to treat them as customers who were already seated, so he chose the outrageous route they took of calling the cops instead of going back to the regulars and explaining the couple seated already at the table was asked and unfortunately they did not care to move at this point,
so do you want to wait or can we offer you another table and how about dessert on us? IMO

The fact that they have him on the phone saying he doesn't like the guy that is why he is calling the cops really tells me something about the whole place and how it is run that they would let a host or manager act like that to anyone!




lunasun

(21,646 posts)
105. That's your solution and as I put at the end of my post of how a restaurant could handle it -"IMO"
Wed May 2, 2018, 08:41 AM
May 2018

tblue37

(65,328 posts)
126. I was being sarcastic and referencing their for dragged o of the plane for not giving
Wed May 2, 2018, 01:45 PM
May 2018

up the seat he had paid for.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
67. He's black? Is his wife darker or something?
Tue May 1, 2018, 08:19 PM
May 2018

As a white guy, I wouldn't have picked him out as black--maybe Latino or multi-racial.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
29. By leaving the restaurant he gets a win win, no chance for the police to harm him for
Tue May 1, 2018, 02:32 PM
May 2018

the crime of being black plus he gets to get the message out to the world what a vile racist prick the guy is and the restaurant best fire him.

Manager was CLEARLY upset with the reasonable customer, had to be a reason, GEE wonder what it was.

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
42. His reputation was in play
Tue May 1, 2018, 03:18 PM
May 2018

Too. He's an upbeat motivation guy.

I love his hashtag he started . . .

normal person and listen to some music,” said Wimbrey.

The motivational speaker has started a hashtag on Twitter called #KeepCalmAndLive, to advise minorities on how to stay calm if they are confronted by police.

http://www.newsweek.com/racism-johnny-wimbrey-texas-907476

#KeepCalmAndLive

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
56. Good point.
Tue May 1, 2018, 07:43 PM
May 2018

The good fight is about picking the right battles to fight. Restaurant regulars to some places (like me), can be pretty strange, we like our certain table or tables. Sounds like the regular in the story was anal retentive, a lot, but the manager had a right to seat him where he wanted to sit. Here is what I would have done from three points of view:

The Black couple: Move but ask for the next open table over. Try to get an idea of what the guy was about from that vantage point.

The Manager: I would have offered to comp the Black couple, 10% off each of their meals if at a pricey, high margin place, 5% off otherwise.

The Regular: Have nothing here, if I saw the couple at my favorite table, I would have asked for my next best table if it was available.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
58. I was being sarcastic
Tue May 1, 2018, 08:04 PM
May 2018

But if you’re going to do shouldas you shoulda started with the manager. He shoulda immediately offered something to the couple instead of just telling them to move. Had he done that - had he treated them with respect and not as less than - they would likely have responded differently because the situation would have been different.

But he didn’t and, thus, the couple had no obligation to play nice and bend over backwards to accommodate the manager and the regulars.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
75. 30 + years in restaurant industry
Tue May 1, 2018, 09:27 PM
May 2018

And I would never reseat any customer for anybody, not even the owner. F that. The regular and the manager are self entitled, arrogant and selfish a-holes. At my restaurants, the regular would be treated to complimentary drinks and appetizers at the bar or a different table until the other diners finished their meal as those diners should have every expectation of enjoying their dining experience and, if my staff and myself are worth a damn, could become my newest regulars.

I would support a polite bribe to the already seated diners offered by the regular but I would support the seated diners' decision what ever it would be.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
59. IKR. And another thing. We don't get to see what happened prior to when the video started
Tue May 1, 2018, 08:04 PM
May 2018

There must have been something else that caused this. We may never get to the bottom of this mystery.









JFC, do I have to put this thing here:

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
3. I watched the video. Huge mistake by that white manager.
Tue May 1, 2018, 01:02 PM
May 2018

Turns out the guy he tossed had brought large parties to that restaurant in the past. Someone's gonna be shopping a resume around, I believe, and the restaurant is going to get a pile of crummy publicity. Well-earned, too.

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
4. Police seem to be a solution to a few too many problems these days
Tue May 1, 2018, 01:03 PM
May 2018

especially involving black people who did nothing wrong and just want to live life as paying customers.

It's happened to me where I was asked to move to a smaller shittier table in the back by the kitchen because some white regulars needed our 4 person table in a fancy shmancy restaurant in DC. Our server was the same race as my friend and me (Indian) but his mind and soul were colonized by whites.

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
45. This is something most people don't understand.
Tue May 1, 2018, 04:30 PM
May 2018

POC discriminating against POC because of being subjected to the same constant brainwashing that everyone is subjected to. There are lots of POCs in he service of white supremacy.

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
113. There are Uncle Toms of every type
Wed May 2, 2018, 10:15 AM
May 2018

Michelle Wolf even joked about finding a term for white women like Sarah Huckabee Sanders who throw other white women under the bus.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
47. 99% of the time there is going to be a video. lucky for us.
Tue May 1, 2018, 06:41 PM
May 2018

Strange that the racist morons haven't figured that out.

Wonder if this joint will have to take a training day.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
66. And they haven't figured out that Yelp, etc. exists
Tue May 1, 2018, 08:18 PM
May 2018

And that their actions are going to be known nationally.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
6. I would have let them call the police
Tue May 1, 2018, 01:04 PM
May 2018

WTF were the police going to do? Manhandle people who were legally there ordering food?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
9. As a white person, I would let them call the police and laugh
Tue May 1, 2018, 01:07 PM
May 2018

but I don't think it would ever happen to me in the first place.

I don't know if I'd be comfortable doing that if I were black.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
10. Yes. Likely, they would have done just that - mandhandle a black man.
Tue May 1, 2018, 01:07 PM
May 2018

Why put yourself through that. Instead, video the confrontation and put it on social media, as that person did. That makes the crap hit the air circulation device very quickly, which it now has.

That's much more effective, and safer, besides. That's what I'd have done, too.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
34. Not necessarily. The beef was with the restaurant
Tue May 1, 2018, 02:39 PM
May 2018

management, not the police. Now, if the police came and mistreated that customer, that would have been a separate thing. Wisely, I think, the man opted to leave to avoid a confrontation with police. I'd have done the same. This way, he limited the problem to its source, and the social media blowback will have its effect.

Why allow the thing to blow up by dealing with the cops? That wasn't necessary.

As it turned out, there was no confrontation with the police. But, the restaurant is getting the bad publicity it deserves. A good decision on that man's part, actually.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
36. I guess it turned out okay
Tue May 1, 2018, 02:44 PM
May 2018

It just makes me want to break things that this couple had to get up and move because the manager was an asshole.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
38. Sometimes, getting yourself out of a situation is the best choice.
Tue May 1, 2018, 02:50 PM
May 2018

Not every situation needs to be escalated. In fact, if it's possible to end the situation peacefully by retreating, that is almost always the best choice.

For example, if some drunk asshole decides to pick a fight with me in some bar, I'm not going to give him the satisfaction. I'm outa there. Every last freaking time. I can't imagine how getting into a bar fight with a drunk is going to do any good for anyone. I can control my temper just fine, so I back away from such situations. I've been in that spot a few times, and have always managed to leave without any further ado.

On the other hand, if the drunk asshole actually physically assaults me, all bets are off. So far, that has vary rarely happened. I'm out of the situation before it comes to that. The couple of times it did happen, I still left the place, but the drunk was still there, puking on the floor. I prefer the peaceful way out, though, by far.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
40. I understand your example perfectly
Tue May 1, 2018, 03:08 PM
May 2018

and I guess you're right it's better not to escalate but again, it makes me very angry that minorities are always asked to suck it up so as to not make it worse - it's almost like saying they're part of the problem (which I guess is what many would say if they did allow it to escalate when they could have walked away - but that's also part of the problem).

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
41. The person involved didn't suck it up. He put the video on social media,
Tue May 1, 2018, 03:13 PM
May 2018

and the story appeared on the news. He's getting the story out there. That's far more effective, really.

This isn't about the police. It's about that restaurant. He's blowing the whistle on the cause of the problem. No need to confuse the story by adding another element, as far as I can see.

If you are trying to create action to correct a problem, it's important to focus clearly on what that problem is. The police weren't involved in this, so they're not the problem in this particular situation. Had he held out for the police to come, the problem might well have shifted away from its original source.

I think he made the most of the opportunity here. I just about guarantee that that restaurant will have more to say before long. Apparently, there are other branches of it, too. Somewhere, there is an owner. What happens next will reveal how this ends.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
46. Maybe more effective
Tue May 1, 2018, 04:35 PM
May 2018

but he and his companion (I haven't read if they were married or involved or what so I'm going with companion) had to move. That's my point. THEY had to be inconvenienced in a way that a white pair would not. So the manager gets fired, big fucking deal. It wont stop it from happening again.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
50. One would hope
Tue May 1, 2018, 07:01 PM
May 2018

The sheer amount of these types of stories is very depressing. Especially when a Supreme Court justice claims there is no more racism.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
74. And this guy is pretty famous...but I saw one post about how this 'might' not be about racism...when
Tue May 1, 2018, 08:57 PM
May 2018

of course it is.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
129. I will never understand giving racist scum like that manager the benefit of the doubt. I hope he is
Wed May 2, 2018, 06:22 PM
May 2018

fired immediately...and may the next guy who wants to act this way won't because he will lose his job.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
88. Agreed. I've always valued my teeth more than my ego.
Wed May 2, 2018, 12:23 AM
May 2018

And, don't particularly like going to court, either.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
92. The police were coming for a tresspass charge.
Wed May 2, 2018, 01:28 AM
May 2018

They don't ask questions they simply remove the tresspasser.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
107. It's illegal to not "ask questions" and to "simply remove the 'trespasser'"
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:10 AM
May 2018

Since people aren't trespassers just because a manager says they are - the police have to first determine there's probable cause to remove the person and the manager's word is not sufficient.

onenote

(42,694 posts)
114. What more than a statement by the manager that he asked a patron to leave and they refused
Wed May 2, 2018, 10:32 AM
May 2018

would the police need before citing the patron for trespassing?

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
121. You apparently missed the rather intense discussion of this last week - lucky you. :-)
Wed May 2, 2018, 12:27 PM
May 2018

Here's the nutshell version.

Under the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, an arrest is legal only if the arresting officers first determine they have probable cause to believe that the person has actually committed the crime they’re being charged with. Probable cause is determined from an objective standard, i.e., if the officer was aware of facts justifying a reasonable belief that an offense was being committed. Under Texas law, as held by state and federal courts, a finding of probable cause requires more than a bare suspicion or mere allegation. E.g., State v. Mosely, 348 S.W.3d 435, 441 (Tex. App.—Austin 2011, United States v. MarioniMelendez, 460 F. App’x 336, 339 (5th Cir. 2012); United States v. Watson, 273 F.3d 599, 602 (5th Cir. 2011). Probable cause is determined from the standpoint of the arresting officer. Mesa v. Prejean, 543 F.3d 264, 274 (5th
Cir. 2008)

Therefore, the officer must determine whether the patron actually committed a trespass. They cannot simply go in to the restaurant and arrest whomever the manager says is committing a trespass. If they do, that is an illegal arrest and they are guilty of false arrest.

In Texas, a criminal trespass occurs where (1) a person (2) without effective consent (3) enters or remains on the property or in a building of another (4) knowingly or intentionally or recklessly (5) when he had notice that entry was forbidden or received notice to depart but failed to do so.”

However, because it is illegal under Texas law for public accommodation – such as a restaurant - to discriminate or deny service to anyone on the basis of their race, the police must first consider whether the manager has a valid, non-discriminatory basis for wanting someone ejected from their restaurant. And it is up to the police to determine whether they believe that asking a black customer refusing to give up their seat at a table so that a white person can sit there is a valid, non-discriminatory reason for asking the black customer to leave. If they think it is, they can make an arrest if the person doesn’t leave. But if they don’t, they should not ask the person to leave.

But, the bottom line is, the police not only don’t have to just rely on the manager’s assertion that someone is trespassing, but they are forbidden by law to make an arrest based only on the manager’s claim without independently determining there is probable cause to remove a person and/or arrest them if they don’t leave.

Hope this is helpful

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
39. Black people don't have the luxury of saying "let them call the police-wtf were police going to do?"
Tue May 1, 2018, 02:51 PM
May 2018

Too often, wtf the police do is kill black people.

Caliman73

(11,730 posts)
125. Agreed.
Wed May 2, 2018, 12:53 PM
May 2018

Hate to say it but, "Let them call the police" sounds like privilege to me. While I as a Brown adult, have had good dealings with the police and actually work with them in my job collaboratively, as a youth, they were not my friends and they were not friends of my friends. I remember getting pulled out of cars and sat on the curb for being 4 young people driving on a Friday night.

When police assume you are a threat and in the wrong as their default, as they seem to do with Black people, "calling the police" is not an easy answer.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
63. Yes, manhandle them, or Taze them, or shoot them.
Tue May 1, 2018, 08:15 PM
May 2018

You are a good progressive, I have read you past posts often. But in this case, you are showing a bit of white privilege. The outcome of a black person standing up for his or her rights in that situation, would likely have been different from what you would have experienced.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
98. My white privilege
Wed May 2, 2018, 04:40 AM
May 2018

Is what's making me want to hit something every time I hear stories like this. The thought that police would have done anything other than telling that manager to fuck himself is depressing. These stories make my heart hurt.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
106. Yes, reading about situations like that is depressing.
Wed May 2, 2018, 08:48 AM
May 2018

I would like to think that a person would treat everyone as an equal until a person PROVES otherwise.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
11. I Can Get "Regulars" Getting Table Preference
Tue May 1, 2018, 01:07 PM
May 2018

But, not once somebody is already seated there. You got there after those people, then you sit where you get seated.

If a host sees two couple waiting, one is a regular who always sits at table 5 near the window, i can see putting the first people at some other table, so the regulars can sit where they always sit.

But, after somebody is already at that table? That's just stupid.

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
13. At most they could have offered a 'comped' meal if they would agree to a move, but if they refused
Tue May 1, 2018, 01:13 PM
May 2018

that SHOULD have been the end of it.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
19. That Would Have Been A Good Idea
Tue May 1, 2018, 01:35 PM
May 2018

I would have moved for the free meal. I still would tip and probably even bigger than normal, but i'd move for the freebie.

And yes, that would have been the end of it.

misanthrope

(7,411 posts)
65. Even more insulting
Tue May 1, 2018, 08:16 PM
May 2018

it sounded as if the manager wanted them to pay their tab after he said he was kicking them out for trespassing.

Say what?!? Every bar or restaurant I've worked at, when we gave somebody the boot then it was understood we were eating the cost of their bill. That's just how it goes. You don't give someone the heave and still expect them to pay.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
14. He WAS a regular. In fact, he had previously booked large parties
Tue May 1, 2018, 01:18 PM
May 2018

into that restaurant. But, he's black, you see. And they all look alike to that white guy.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
23. Yes. It's in the news talker part of the video.
Tue May 1, 2018, 01:38 PM
May 2018

Pure racism on the part of that manager, who will no doubt be fired now.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
27. Not sure I see how someone can absolutely declare race-motives as a stone-cold fact in this case ...
Tue May 1, 2018, 02:29 PM
May 2018

I mean, I think it was lame and very poor customer service, but there's no way of knowing if the guy wouldn't have done the same thing to a white family if he considers the 'white customer' some absolutely hugely important customer, even if the people being asked to move were 'regulars'.

In fact we don't know whether the Host 'knew about' the previous large parties booked by the black family, Host maybe didn't know him at all.

I still think it's lame (even the 'white customer' was friggin' lame if he was aware of what was going on) as hell, and absolutely COULD HAVE been 'racist-based' ... but to declare that it 'must be'?

I think that's going a little far, just MHO.

Unless the host outright said 'we have an important white customer that needs this table' ... if that's the case, I take it back. Didn't watch the vid as it'll just piss me off.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
35. You're welcome to defend anyone you wish.
Tue May 1, 2018, 02:42 PM
May 2018

I don't care. I did watch the video, because I wanted to see what actually happened. Had you done so, you might have the same opinion I have. I don't know. But I have the advantage of having watched it. You do not.



Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
49. Really...it was racism pure and simple...
Tue May 1, 2018, 06:57 PM
May 2018

and I fail to understand why people give this behavior the benefit of the doubt.

Mz Pip

(27,439 posts)
33. If that table was so damn important
Tue May 1, 2018, 02:36 PM
May 2018

to that couple then they should have called ahead and reserved their special table ahead of time.
Expecting someone to move because you didn’t plan ahead is just rude.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
64. +1
Tue May 1, 2018, 08:15 PM
May 2018

Bad idea to ask anyone to move, white, black, etc. That's going to be annoying another customer. Regulars would understand better than a newer customer.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
16. I can see trying to appease a regular customer
Tue May 1, 2018, 01:24 PM
May 2018

if the customer had asked for his usual seat (though I can't imagine being that picky myself). But that trying should have consisted of a request with a comp meal or something like that. Being the cheapskate I am I would have moved under that request. But I shouldn't have had to.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,325 posts)
25. Yeah, their meal or at least drinks should have been comp'd at the time of request.
Tue May 1, 2018, 02:20 PM
May 2018

I’ve been asked to move to accommodate pushing tables together for a larger group. That’s off-putting enough. Moving for some pain in the ass would probably piss me off.

We have a favorite table at our favorite restaurant. We book it ahead if we have a large enough group to justify the bother (they don’t normally accept reservations but I know the owner). I would never think of asking someone to move for us (not that my guy would ever be that ignorant).

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
124. But you shouldn't try to appease a regular customer by inconveniencing the other customers.
Wed May 2, 2018, 12:34 PM
May 2018

And if you think it's so important to appease that particular customer, then don't ever sit anyone at their favorite table just in case they happen to show up - or tell anyone you sit at that table that they may be asked to move if your special customers show up and let them decide whether they want to take the chance they might have to move ...

dsc

(52,155 posts)
128. that is why you offer the comp meal or drink
Wed May 2, 2018, 02:39 PM
May 2018

Some would and some wouldn't take it. But that is the most they should do to appease that regular. Again, I think most customers would be rather uncomfortable making people move as well they should. But give me a free meal or a discounted meal and I would move.

Kittycow

(2,396 posts)
22. We think alike, I see!
Tue May 1, 2018, 01:37 PM
May 2018

I posted about Yelp just after you . It was satisfying to read those reviews!

Kittycow

(2,396 posts)
20. Haha..Yelp isn't cleaning up the reviews yet.
Tue May 1, 2018, 01:35 PM
May 2018

The restaurant page is being flooded with this story including posting the video. So pages of one star reviews and deservedly so.

When a place of business screws up like this, usually Yelp puts a block on it but they're a little slow today so far

Also a reviewer mentioned that their friend had told them years ago that the place was racist.

Kittycow

(2,396 posts)
116. I just googled Sambuca 360 yelp and it came up.
Wed May 2, 2018, 10:55 AM
May 2018

I don't know how to do a link or if you even can on mobile. Or I would

Kittycow

(2,396 posts)
118. At least when people google their name in the future
Wed May 2, 2018, 11:23 AM
May 2018

the story will still come up in the search results, unless they hire some reputation-scrubbing firm. There's some technique where they can get the story to cycle back onto page five or six,etc, of the search results.

Phoenix61

(17,002 posts)
30. I'm a regular at several local places and
Tue May 1, 2018, 02:33 PM
May 2018

I have my favorite seat in most of them. If it's not available I do what most normal adults do...I sit somewhere else. I'm curious what the customer thinks about what happened.

LisaM

(27,801 posts)
31. And what was up with the "regulars" who watched all this happen?
Tue May 1, 2018, 02:33 PM
May 2018

Who'd even want the table after that? Not that I'd ever ask for someone to be kicked out of a table because I wanted to sit in it (unless it was an accessibility issue), but what the heck's the matter with them? How could they participate in this?

madaboutharry

(40,208 posts)
53. What struck me
Tue May 1, 2018, 07:05 PM
May 2018

is that this General Manager, this white man, felt entitled to speak to this black man is such a derisive and disrespectful manner. It is so shameful.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
68. He was among those folk - including plenty of people on DU - who believe a restaurant manager can
Tue May 1, 2018, 08:19 PM
May 2018

make people leave just because he says so.

We tried to tell y’all - it doesn’t work that way ...

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
77. Actually, they can.
Tue May 1, 2018, 09:41 PM
May 2018

The manager is God but with great power comes great responsibility and this manager deserves to lose their job. The owner must be making bricks as he/she watches his/her business die in real time.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
80. You are right
Tue May 1, 2018, 09:46 PM
May 2018

I should have qualified that with except for reasons of discrimination. I stand corrected.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
82. When you're right
Tue May 1, 2018, 09:50 PM
May 2018

You're right and I appreciate when being corrected when I'm not. So you're welcome and thank you too.

kimbutgar

(21,130 posts)
55. It's not just black people
Tue May 1, 2018, 07:33 PM
May 2018

A Filipino friend of mine moved to a Phoenix and brought a house. He couldn’t find a job there and then stopped going to restaurants in the Phoenix area because him and wife would ask for a booth and then get denied. A white couple comes in no reservations and immediately gets a booth. Numerous times when him and his wife did get seated they wait a long time for menus, white people immediately get one. He stopped going to Chain restaurants and now only goes to Mexican ones and gets good service. He said it happens all the time. When he is in the SF Bay Area he never experienced this. He works 3 weeks now in SF and goes home for 1 week in Phoenix. He’d love to move back to the Bay Area but housing is so expensive. He wants to move out of Phoenix and is now looking at Los Angeles area.

Anon-C

(3,430 posts)
69. Let me ask, do you believe many whites have a hard time being served behind blacks in line or ....
Tue May 1, 2018, 08:22 PM
May 2018

...in a queue?

kimbutgar

(21,130 posts)
73. Yes
Tue May 1, 2018, 08:55 PM
May 2018

An especially even more now. I’ve seen racism but not like since twitler came in the scene. I’ve heard people make Rascist comments that I never heard 3 years ago.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
72. LA is very expensive.
Tue May 1, 2018, 08:34 PM
May 2018

He could look at the East Bay across from San Fran, but that is becoming pricier too. If he can, he may want to move to Tempe, that is predominantly a college town and isn't far from Phoenix, so commutes won't be bad.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
62. Regulars would have understood
Tue May 1, 2018, 08:13 PM
May 2018

And waited till the next time to sit there.

The police were not needed.

By this time, they gotta know not to do that unless they want bad publicity gone viral.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
83. I'm a regular at a few places and have favorite tables
Tue May 1, 2018, 09:51 PM
May 2018

But cannot IMAGINE expecting someone who got there before me to move so I could sit there. And for a manager moved someone, I would be absolutely mortified and would probably spend my entire time there apologizing to them.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
110. I wouldn't either
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:47 AM
May 2018

I'd just take another table. I'd be embarrassed to have someone moved, too. If the owner tried to do that, I would be like, no way, it does not matter. Someone in this cast of characters is a deplorable, if not both, is my guess.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
90. It's suggested this place has a history of discrimination.
Wed May 2, 2018, 01:05 AM
May 2018

This was a reply to Mr. Wimbrey's post in Twitter (he is with the David Whiteman Band and they apparently have played there):

David Whiteman
@DavidWhiteman26
Replying to @wimbrey
"They do not tolerate discrimination"!!!!!!! BS!!!!! I had to hire two extra Caucasian musicians that I never met one night to up the ratio of whites in my band.... They have a long track record of mis-treating black people there.... LOOOOONG well known record

Also, here's an article I found on Newsweek: http://www.newsweek.com/racism-johnny-wimbrey-texas-907476

Wimbrey's attorney, Bobbie Edmonds, told Newsweek that they are investigating the incident and have asked to listen to the 911 call that was placed to police.

"You have to remain calm under these circumstances to get out alive, and that is unfortunate for people of color,” said Edmonds. "This a teachable moment for many. Some people get out alive, and some don't. We want to make it right, and we hope the company wants to make it right for Johnny and his family."

And Mr. Wimbrey said:
“I want to take this incident and turn it into something positive”.


.........

treestar

(82,383 posts)
111. It is in Plano, TX?
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:50 AM
May 2018

Can't figure out what the place is called from Twitter.

Now I'm generalizing about place; not suprised, one Deplorable on my list was native of Plano. Sorry liberals of Plano.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
115. Yes, check out the article I posted.
Wed May 2, 2018, 10:47 AM
May 2018

Quote: "A motivational speaker and his wife said they were kicked out of a restaurant in Plano, Texas, because they are black.

Johnny Wimbrey and his wife told ABC that they found a table that was not reserved and sat down for drinks at Sambuca 360 on Saturday. After a few minutes passed, the general manager asked the two to give up their seats."

From: http://www.newsweek.com/racism-johnny-wimbrey-texas-907476

......

Catherine Vincent

(34,488 posts)
119. Maybe the food is very good
Wed May 2, 2018, 11:41 AM
May 2018

The gentlemen visited this place several times in the past and would like to continue but because this so called manager acted like an inconsiderate ahole, he probably won't return.

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
95. I would hope they would be able to sue the restaurant over this.
Wed May 2, 2018, 02:47 AM
May 2018

I thought this sort of racial discrimination was illegal, and the clearly got caught red handed with no faux excuses this time.

DFW

(54,349 posts)
97. This was just up the road from us in Plano, TX
Wed May 2, 2018, 02:49 AM
May 2018

I know about 500 people who won't be setting foot in that place until we hear that the manager has been fired, and Sambuca has given public notice of it. I also know that we won't be the first company to say so. If the manager still has his job by the end of this month, my bet is that he will be managing a 40%-50% drop in business revenue.

If this has made national headlines, you can imagine to what extent it will be in the local papers.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
99. OMFG! Sickening.
Wed May 2, 2018, 07:24 AM
May 2018

A serious scene straight out of the comedy "As Good As It Gets" showing what a total jerk Jack Nicholson's character was. At least the movie character did it himself, not management.

Hope the restaurant gets its ass sued to the hilt and business becomes so bad it has to close. But it's Texas, so...

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
108. And had there not been video, people would be making all kinds of excuses for the restaurant
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:14 AM
May 2018

Because there MUST be an innocuous reason for this ...

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
109. Thank goodness for cell phone videos
Wed May 2, 2018, 09:19 AM
May 2018

Because yeah most people wouldn't believe this guy without the video. Sad. This kind of thing is not uncommon and never has been uncommon. There are just videos now.

dalton99a

(81,451 posts)
122. Even then, one must withhold judgment
Wed May 2, 2018, 12:30 PM
May 2018

because we need to see the very beginning before the beginning of the video, and the very end after the end, otherwise the video is incomplete

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Shaun King: Black couple ...