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Time is running out for the international community to halt Iran's nuclear programme by peaceful means, the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, told US defence secretary Leon Panetta in Jerusalem on Wednesday.
Sanctions, diplomacy and declarations of a willingness to take military action as a last resort had not yet convinced the Iranians to stop their programme, he said. "However forceful our statements, they have not convinced Iran that we are serious about stopping them. Right now the Iranian regime believes that the international community does not have the will to stop its nuclear programme."
Netanyahu said earlier that although sanctions were hurting the Iranian economy, such measures had "yet to move its nuclear programme even a millimetre backwards".
Panetta is the fourth senior US administration official to visit Israel in recent weeks as concern has mounted in Washington that Netanyahu is preparing the ground for a military strike in the coming months.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/01/israeli-pm-iran-nuclear-programme?newsfeed=true
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)South Africa did..... and they got rid of Apartheid which you seem to embrace more and more these days.
mazzarro
(3,450 posts)Bu he is itching to remove the flint in his neighbor's eye - even by force! Go figure.
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)Pretty fucking hypocritical of them
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)cpwm17
(3,829 posts)That's pretty scary.
It couldn't be because the US and Israel have been, for years, threatening an unprovoked attack against Iran.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)Iran is generally considered a sponsor of terrorism. Allowing it to acquire nuclear weapons would be idiotic. You need to look at the last 30 plus years to make judgement, not just the last 2 or 3.
BOG PERSON
(2,916 posts)cpwm17
(3,829 posts)For many decades the US has been screwing over Iran. Has Iran done anything equivalent?
Thirty years ago the US helped Saddam in his unprovoked war against Iran. 500,000 Iranians died in that tragedy.
tritsofme
(17,371 posts)They don't even recognize Israel's right to exist.
Ahmadinejad says Israel ought to be "wiped off the map"
A few months ago Khamenei referred to Israel as a "cancerous tumor that must be removed"
I could go on forever, but we all have google.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)cpwm17
(3,829 posts)The "wipe off the map" BS was discredited years ago. But I can see where your priorities are.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)The Iranian president was quoting an ancient statement by Iran's first Islamist leader, the late Ayatollah Khomeini, that "this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time," just as the Shah's regime in Iran had vanished. He was not making a military threat. He was calling for an end to the occupation of Jerusalem at some point in the future. The "page of time" phrase suggests he did not expect it to happen soon.
Ahmadinejad didn't say the words "wiped off the map." That's a hoax.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was not threatening Israel. He was talking about regime change, but not through war. He was dreaming about a non-aggressive Israel with equal rights for all. He's not exactly the best messenger, but he still was not threatening Israel.
With Israel's behavior, and its refusal to recognize the native Palestinians' right to exist, it's natural that other world leader will talk bad about them. I wouldn't want to live in a world where they didn't.
nanabugg
(2,198 posts)tritsofme
(17,371 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)tritsofme
(17,371 posts)How else could you describe it?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)people. If war monger Netanyahu wants to start a war with Iran, let him do it by himself, but the American people do not want any more of their stupid wars which have cost so much in lives not to mention money.
Let him stop trying to drag the US into yet another disastrous war. He is hated around the world, and it would be very foolish of the US to be seen to be in collusion with him in any way.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)Who starts is irrelevant. The US will finish it. You're naive if you believe otherwise.
BOG PERSON
(2,916 posts)after all BLOOD lubricates the GEARS of HISTORY !!!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)threats of war. So all this is going to do is show other countries that if they want to be left alone they need Nuclear weapons.
Iran is no threat to this country, and our laws forbid this country from going to war unless we are directly threatened.
This is Iraq all over again. And someone needs to stop it.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)They both have nukes.
RZM
(8,556 posts)They lost very little by giving them up.
Israel is a different story. It is a small country that is surrounded by enemies, not to mention the large and hostile Palestinian population it controls. Nuclear weapons really do serve a significant deterrence function for them. A non-nuclear Israel would be much more vulnerable to its neighbors. I would guess this would result in even more wars and would make Israel even more dependent on US military aid.
While it would be nice if no nation had nuclear weapons, the benefits for Israel far outweigh the gains that would accrue from giving them up. Long-term, only lasting peace and a resignation of the Islamic world to Israel's continued existence as a Jewish state would create a situation in which they would ever give them up.
It's unfortunate, but that's how it is.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)cpwm17
(3,829 posts)Anyone with detectable intelligence can see that.
They've imposed themselves on the region through brute force. They are the hostile power. It is the Israelis that refuse to make peace.
Making peace would force the Israelis to quit their expansionist ways and recognize the native Palestinians' right to exist.
The Palestinians have little power and are highly oppressed by the Israelis.
RZM
(8,556 posts)I never said that Israel didn't create their own enemies. I only said that they have lots of them. From a strategic standpoint, it matters very little who created what. It only matters what the situation is.
And you could argue that most countries 'create their own enemies,' so that really isn't saying much. In the rough and tumble world of power politics, pursuing your interests (in the case of Israel, existing as a state with a Jewish character) tends to make enemies.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)"Long-term, only lasting peace and a resignation of the Islamic world to Israel's continued existence as a Jewish state would create a situation in which they would ever give them up."
But I'm can't completely disagree with you, since nuclear weapons do help Israel continue its horrible behavior. There are far better solutions than nukes: peace. So Israel's nuclear program can't be morally defended.
RZM
(8,556 posts)I'd say taking the decision to attack another country implies some level of responsibility for the conflict. They could have, you know, not attacked Israel.
I think your argument rests on the notion that Israel does not have a right to exist as a state with a Jewish character and any outside effort to achieve that end is ultimately the fault of Israel itself, since their existence as a Jewish state is fundamentally illegitimate. They bear responsibility for attacks against them because if they didn't exist as they do, those attacks wouldn't happen. If that's what you think, then say so. It's not exactly a fringe opinion. Plenty of people around the world share it.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)To accept Israel as a nation with a Jewish character is to proclaim that the native Palestinians are inferior. As an American, and a human, I don't believe that's morally acceptable.
Israel's terrible treatment of the Palestinians is a direct consequence of it's "Jewish character." The same bad behavior happens in other nations where one group tries to dominate another.
Israel struck first in 1967, though its opponents were on a war footing and had massed large numbers of men and equipment on the borders.
I'm also not a fan of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, but I support the two state solution and not the one-state solution that calls for Israel to cease to exist as a Jewish state.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)While there is some truth in what you say, you are a fool if you believe that Israel was welcomed to the ME with anything but daggers and vows to "drive it into the ocean".
Study history before you talk as if you understand.
malaise
(268,718 posts)Haven't they cried wolf too many times - damn!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)spews his so obvious and dangerous war-mongering rhetoric? That man is a threat to world peace and worries an awful lot of people way, way more than Iran who we know he so desperately wants to use the US Military to attack.
This is beginning to sound very, very familiar. Someone needs to shut him up or maybe the Israeli people could do the world a favor and throw him out of office.
RZM
(8,556 posts)Bin Laden wasn't particularly popular, but every word he said got lots of coverage. Same thing with the Dinner Jacket.
The reason all of these people get press is the same as the reason I don't. What they say matters, while what I say really doesn't.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)you don't get press coverage. The reason why what moronic war-mongers like Netanyahu matters is because they get press coverage. If more was heard from the people than these ego maniacal politicians, maybe the people would have more power.
RZM
(8,556 posts)So decisions that he makes and things that he say affect a lot of people. Me, not so much.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)should have power, is in his own country. And I would like to see more coverage of those he attacks, and more investigative reporting on the claims he makes. But the US media appears to be afraid to challenge this individual for some reason. So they are giving him power he is not entitled to outside of Israel.
tritsofme
(17,371 posts)might entitle you to a bit more press coverage than some random internet user?
Kind of a crazy idea I know...
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)He is a war monger. He is a threat to world peace. He should be challenged on his statements.
nanabugg
(2,198 posts)spanone
(135,795 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,037 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Last time I checked, the only country to intentionally drop a nuclear bomb on another was the United States.