Why did Rudy break his story on Hannity last night?

[kentuck]

I tend to believe it was a planned statement. Rudy and the trump came up with the idea together.

But why??

They knew it was going to come out anyway? Most of the story was already out and the attorney for Stormy Daniels, Michael Avenatti, has been like a bulldog biting at their butts.

But it was so out of character for Donald, the trump? He never admits anything unless someone flat out has the goods on him. It seemed that the point that Rudy wanted to get across was that it was not paid with campaign money? As if that somehow changes the fact that it was "hush money".

If he was trying to send a message to Michael Cohen, what was that message? Perhaps to let him know that he was not going to face his case with Stormy Daniels alone? That Donald was going to take the blame for the pay-off and there was no need for Cohen to give them any more information?

What were Rudy and the trump attempting to accomplish?

[hlthe2b]

1. I would guess due to what's in the Cohen "files" or Cohen has flipped or BOTH...

[rzemanfl]

7. +1 n/t.

[Zoonart]

8. Cohen has flipped and they are

attempting to outrun the tidal wave.

[C_U_L8R]

2. Its very possible neither one is very smart.

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Granted, they're quite crafty but they sure do dumb things.

[rzemanfl]

6. They're, their, there. n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

20. Hey did you notice in this morning's trump

Tweet that they think he didn't write..it said...played no ROLL instead of role?

[rzemanfl]

32. Yes. They also confused "exortionist" with "extortionate." n/t

[C_U_L8R]

31. D'oh

[GusBob]

3. Home field advantage with a friendly ref

and as indicated, they know what the FBI has from Cohen

and if it was a planned statement, they planned poorly

[Johnny2X2X]

4. They admitted to acrime

This was a crime as described by Rudy Guliani. A candidate is not allowed to have someone pay hush money to someone to help his campaign and then pay that person back. That's an unlawful loan that is a campaign violation.

Doesn't matter if the money didn't come from the campaign (And it 99.99999% did), it was still a crime.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

24. A while back didn't someone find two contributions

To the campaign that when added together equalled like $ 129,999.. something like that? Made around the same time as payment to Stormy?

[Johnny2X2X]

29. Worse

Within 5 days of Cohen paying Daniels $130,000.00 the Trump Campaign paid the Trump Organization (Cohen's official employer) $129.999.72.

It's not even a complex attempt at money laundering, Trump campaign paid Trump organization who paid the shell company Cohen set up (Using Trump org lawyers) who paid back Cohen over several months. They likely paid him back in installments of less than $10,000 so they would not have to be reported to the Feds. And even if they say it was $35K a month, that doesn't mean he wasn't getting weekly payments of less than $10K.

It's an amateur at best attempt at money laundering. Your average local embezzler stealing money from their employer does a better job of hiding payments. And watch, they're defense will switch to, "See, we barely tried to hide it, we obviously would have hid it better if we were doing something illegal." It's the type of thing you hear in local courts all the time from dumb criminals, "Why would I not even try to hide it?" Answer: Because you're not smart.

[awesomerwb1]

40. Your fifth line

Shouldn't it say so they would NOT have to report it to the Feds?

What you said makes total sense. That's probably the way it went.

[dixiegrrrrl]

42. I heard different dates of the moves...

WaPo sez that Cohen first created the shell company on Oct. 17

The Trump campaign moved the $129,999.72, in several payments, after the 17th, to the Trump Organization,
BEFORE Cohen paid Stormy on the 27th.

which makes sense, that the money had to be in the bank, so to speak, for him to write the check.
Cohen's official job was lawyer for the Trump Organization.

Once the money was in the Trump Organization, there is no more record of where it went.
But Trump had to know about the payment going from the campaign into his business.

Wasn't the crime, it was the coverup that got them.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

51. so on 10-17 campaign reimbursed Trump for two expenditures at

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On edit - well - since I wrote this found that this was two days before presidential debate in LV so maybe it had something to do with that?


his hotel in Vegas. You can see them on FEC site - $79,043.94 and 18,731.90 for lodging.
http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/fecimg/?201705129053727517

But - don't see any events on 10-17 or before that. The only event in Vegas was on 10-30-17 and that was at the Bellagio. Unless Trump LV was paid for lodging before they even got to Vegas? Any way you look at this - it's an exceedingly high amount of money. Let's just say, a room was $300/night. that equates to 325 rooms !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rallies_for_the_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2016


Or this is bogus and part of the Stormy money as Susan Simpson - DC atty
thought

[Laura PourMeADrink]

49. So - this would be another layer. All Guliani and Trump are talking about is

the "how did you pay Cohen" level. No one is asking where Trump got the money to pay Cohen. And this certainly fits his MO. If he can use someone else's money he will...he's a man who will use other's money to act like HE is donating to charity.

Why is no one in the media bringing this up? No way to get copies of the invoices submitted to campaign for payment?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

50. Most interesting - suggesting Trump pocketed the money and didn't pay Cohen

This makes sense since Cohen complained to people he hadn't gotten paid.

http://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/found-130000-reimbursed-trump/9881/

Sean Hannity show and acknowledged that Trump reimbursed Michael Cohen for the $130,000 that Cohen had paid to Stormy Daniels. Giuliani then provided some gibberish as to why this was supposedly legal. Experts have weighed in to the contrary, citing specific felonies which were committed. Giuliani did not answer the question of how Trump “reimbursed” Cohen. That’s okay, because we found it.


More to the point, attorney Susan Simpson found the money trail two months ago. In the week before Michael Cohen made the $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels, the Trump Campaign made a series of payments to the Trump Organization totaling $129,999.72. The numbers can be confirmed in the Trump campaign’s financial filings, which are publicly available on the FEC website. Unless you want to try to make the laugh-out-loud argument that Trump paid himself twenty eight cents short of $130,000 at the same time Michael Cohen was paying $130,000 to Stormy Daniels, this is how Trump moved the money around. Two things stand out here.


The first is that, while Michael Cohen formed his shell company to pay Stormy Daniels on October 17th of 2016, according to the Washington Post, he didn’t make the payment to her until ten days later on October 27th of 2016. The $129,999.72 in payments were made from the Trump campaign to the Trump Organization in between those two dates. This suggests Trump knew about the payment before Cohen made it, because he was already moving the money around before the payment went out to Daniels.


The second thing that stands out here is that after the Trump campaign paid the $129,999.72 to the Trump Organization, there’s no known record of the Trump Organization having passed the money along to Michael Cohen. Rudy Giuliani claims the reimbursement did happen, and perhaps he’s willing to provide records of this. We’re left to wonder if Donald Trump simply took the $130,000 from the campaign and then pocketed it instead of reimbursing Cohen.

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[kentuck]

5. Also, perhaps a point to consider:

Campaign violations usually only result in a fine and no jail time. Perhaps they are hoping to get off with a fine?

[LeftInTX]

48. Probably...

I figured the penalty wasn't severe.

[malaise]

9. You mean pre-planned by the Con, Guiliani and

Hannity.

[kentuck]

10. Yes, Hannity was most likely part of the scheme...

He likes to play the part of a journalist.

[SDJay]

11. I Think the Manatee

Was genuinely shocked.

[JenniferJuniper]

15. Yes, saw it live. He seemed stunned.

[malaise]

21. But he too is a Cohen client

They are all scumbags

[rzemanfl]

34. John Lovitz came to mind immediately upon reading your post. n/t

[jberryhill]

12. You're giving him too much credit in having a "plan"

[comradebillyboy]

13. Why? He's senile.

[rzemanfl]

35. That's their fallback. n/t

[Dave Starsky]

45. He certainly sounded senile to me.

I half expected him to stand up, pull down his pants, and take a piss on Hannity's desk.

[comradebillyboy]

46. What a glorious treat that would be.

[Iliyah]

14. Why would t-rump thru Esquire attack Cohen. That alone was stupid.

Rudy G has been going senile for sometime or he's really that dumb.

[rzemanfl]

36. Inquirer? n/t

[kentuck]

16. Perhaps Rudy's comments on FOX News this morning may help to clarify their plan?

Rudy asks for Sessions to step in and stop the Mueller investigation.

What was unsaid was that if Sessions does not step in, the trump himself will step in and find a way to stop the investigation.

If the Mueller investigation is shut down, then they would only have to be concerned about the Stormy Daniels civil matter? And they think they can pay a fine and get out of that mess.

[malaise]

22. I hope Mueller delivers the subpoena today or tomorrow

He needs to do it now

[kentuck]

23. It "feels" like something is about to blow.

[malaise]

28. Yep and for the children as well

I can't wait

[Laura PourMeADrink]

25. Yes..need time to get through Supreme Court

Right? (Before November elections)

[malaise]

27. Agree

but unless the Con resigns I don't see this being settled before February after Dems take over

[dixiegrrrrl]

47. If the Mueller investigation is shut down. they will have a LOT to worry about.

Schniederman has a long list of charges he can file.
and, in fact, the Dems in Congress have Plan B to keep the investigation going if Mueller is attacked.

[thbobby]

17. Perhaps, just like all in the trump klan

Rudy is an idiot. Wondering what strategy they pursue is akin to wondering what my coffee cup thinks about quantum physics.

[Dave Starsky]

44. Good analogy.

[tparrett62]

18. I don't think it was planned

I think Rudy is way out of his element here. He thinks he still has some "juice", and started strutting and running his mouth in a friendly environment. The same way he let on that he knew about the shenanigans in 2016 before they became public. He can't keep his mouth shut because he has to puff up his image as someone in the know.

[kentuck]

19. On Hannity's show...

Rudy said that the trump knew and it was tweeted that he was very happy with Rudy's interview?

It was on FOX's highest rated show, in order to reach their deplorable base.

[dameatball]

30. Rudy is that guy who always has to be the smartest person in the room. But isn't.

Well, if Hannity was the only other person in the room....okay then.

[dameatball]

26. Rudy has not aged well since that Notre Dame football movie.

[Docreed2003]

39. He was offsides then too

[yallerdawg]

33. Another possibility? These two old farts are convinced they are untouchable.

Nothing matters, they are all smarts.

Some kind of "New York State-of-Mind."

[kentuck]

37. Also, look for Sessions to be gone before next week...

...if he refuses to fire Mueller.

Then they can find someone that will fire him.

Then they can concentrate on fixing the campaign violation in the civil case of Stormy Daniels?

Who knows?

[NCTraveler]

38. Best I got. I'm with you in the belief it was planned.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10570220

[Orsino]

43. Tossing it out as no big deal will persuade many Fox viewers.

Trump may be really stupid, but he knows he needs to keep the rubes in line for as long as he can.